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how the hell do you turn off the device, if i press the power button once the screen goes completely black and i cannot tap anything but i can still recieve calls and if i press any of the buttons it comes alive. if i press and continue pressing for two seconds, the screen simply dims and i can still tap on the screen?
so how do you switch it off?
and if you reset how do you prevent it from loading the T-Mobile customization?
Also, mine has a dead pixel and i have just opened it can i take it back as faulty? it's only one dead pixel but it's really really annoying...does it count as a fault. i'm gonna try and take mine back tomorrow
A short press turns the unit off
A longer press will shut down the backlight, but leave the unit on
Longkesh said:
A short press turns the unit off
A longer press will shut down the backlight, but leave the unit on
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Well, when i do that the screen goes blank but i can still recieve calls and if i press any of the buttons it goes back on again!!!!!!!!!!!!
To totaly turn off the device you need to slide the battery lock button out and then back in. It is the only way I have found to totaly turn the device off.
To lock the keys go into "settings" then "system" and choose "button lock" then choose "Lock all buttons except power button".
John
oh, i see. i thought it was like the other phones, nokia SE etc.
thanks alot for all your replies
thank you
this is not a phone, this is a pdaphone, it works like a pda... if you want tu turn off the phone, you can use the flight mode.
sayreul said:
this is not a phone, this is a pdaphone, it works like a pda... if you want tu turn off the phone, you can use the flight mode.
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I dont think it has anyhting to do with PDA. I have had 3 PDA's before. All of them had an "off" button that turned the thing off. Ditto for phones. So this is just Microsoft's strange decision. Dont make the guy feel back just because he is thinking logically - and they are not.
I've had quite a few PDAs over the years:- Casio E80? Psion 3, 3a, 3c, 5, 5mx, iPaq 3630, XDAI, XDAII, MDA Compact.
None of them have ever had an off button. They turn off the screen and may even slow the processor or put it in sleep mode. But they all kept their memory powered up and clock / alarms / appointments alive at all times.
This may change in the future as flash ram is now fast enough that you could actually run stuff from it so you could truly kill power (apart from clock and wakeup stuff) without emptying your memory.
My old Visor Edge, Palm Tungsten T, T2 and TE all had off buttons. I dont know of any electronic device where anyone should expect that the "off" botton doesn't turn it off.
If that button on Windows Mobile devices is a "sleep" button, then they should mark it with a "sleep" symbol, rather than the intl symbol for "power", which is what they have on there - and which is what confuses people.
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My old Visor Edge, Palm Tungsten T, T2 and TE all had off buttons. I dont know of any electronic device where anyone should expect that the "off" botton doesn't turn it off.
If that button on Windows Mobile devices is a "sleep" button, then they should mark it with a "sleep" symbol, rather than the intl symbol for "power", which is what they have on there - and which is what confuses people.
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So, if your Palm completely powered down when you pressed this magic "off" button, how come the alarms still worked? How come it woke up when you pressed any of the four application buttons or tapped the screen? How come your data was still kept in RAM?
More wisdom from the skagen...
My Nokia 6100 has an off button and it works. Doesn't stop my alarms from waking me up. So did my SE T610 before that
Everybody here has had a cell phone before. The all have "off" buttons that turn the device off. Only Microsoft, in its infinite stupidity, has decided to have a an "off" button that should in fact be labelled "sleep".
You are the one with no clue.
If you press the "off" button on your N 6100 or SE T610 you are right in that they would really be off. You can not receive a call, any alarms will not sound until you turn the phone on again and so on.
But this is not so for most PDA:s on the market.
Most PDA:s will go into some kind of sleep mode when you press the "off" button. And mostly it is not even a true sleep mode, a lot of processes are still running, and even network connections can be kept active. This is also the way most PDA users would want their PDA to work. Also, the way most PDA:s are built, a power down means resetting everything back to defaults and thereby loosing all of your data and third party applications. This could be cured by using non volatile RAM for all of the memory, but I guess there is probably a good reason why this is not normally done.
Actually, on most modern computers a short tap on the power button will put them in suspend mode and holding it for more than two seconds will turn them off. So the only thing that is really strange with the PDA is that a long press on the button will not even put it in sleep mode but only shut off power to the display. And as I actually don't know anyone that has ever used that worthless function I think they should probably replace it with a "real" sleep mode, where all of the hardware is actually shut off except for support voltage to keep the memory "alive".
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If you press the "off" button on your N 6100 or SE T610 you are right in that they would really be off. You can not receive a call, any alarms will not sound until you turn the phone on again and so on.
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On N 6100 ,and on all nokia phones, the clock alarm wake's up the phone... You then have a choice of whether to activate the phone or not...
Same with all the Siemens phones I owned ( 4 so far). When shutting off the phone, the clock and alarms keep working. The only thing that does not work, off course, is the radio so incoming calls are diverted to voice mail. But with the phone off, the alarms still wake me up!
It would indeed be a good idea if using the power button on any type of XDA would turn the device really off, using power only for keeping the clock working and the data stored...
If the alarms jeep working on your phone when in "off" mode it is not actually off but in a low power mode with the phone functions turned off. So what you are really asking for is that the power button should turn off the phone but keep the pda running. This seems quite useless to me. Exactly how often are you in such a hurry to turn off the phone?
Yes, the device is in sleep mode, but it is a very deep sleep indeed, since it uses close to zero power. When I put my Compact in sleep mode, running programs will not shut down but will stay running, the Today screen is still running and the same goes for the phone radio and GPRS. This means that the battery drains much quicker. So in order to save power, I have to turn off the radio (flight mode), kill running apps and then put the device to sleep with the power button. Seems like rather a hassle, doesn't it, compared to a normal phone? So I don't mean for the PDA to keep running ful operations, but rather to power down to a level where it only uses a little power to keep the storage working. And when waking up, I don't need to see the Today right away, a few seconds loading the screen like on a normal phone is worth the power save to me.
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My Nokia 6100 has an off button and it works. Doesn't stop my alarms from waking me up. So did my SE T610 before that
Everybody here has had a cell phone before. The all have "off" buttons that turn the device off. Only Microsoft, in its infinite stupidity, has decided to have a an "off" button that should in fact be labelled "sleep".
You are the one with no clue.
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This guy is unbelievable. You were claiming that your Palm turned completely off when you hit the off button - not a cellphone, jerk.
Koksie said:
When I put my Compact in sleep mode, running programs will not shut down but will stay running, the Today screen is still running and the same goes for the phone radio and GPRS. This means that the battery drains much quicker. So in order to save power, I have to turn off the radio (flight mode), kill running apps and then put the device to sleep with the power button.
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Wrong - programs that can be _are_ suspended when you put the PDA into standby. Try it with MediaPlayer.
How do you know the Today screen is still running? Like you know the fridge light really stays on when you shut the door?
Wouldn't you be complaining more (because of the missed calls) if turning the PDA off to save the battery also killed the phone?
Most of us can get our heads round this - the Standby button on the side controls the PDA. The Flight mode controls the phone. Not exactly difficult, is it?
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And when waking up, I don't need to see the Today right away, a few seconds loading the screen like on a normal phone is worth the power save to me.
That's where you fall into sjkagen's trap, again. For the zillionth time, the Jam/Compact is not just a phone. It's primarily a PDA. That's why it costs so much more than a phone. And on a PDA, you need to be able to look up information instantly - not have to wait a minute for the darn thing to boot up.
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skagen said:
My Nokia 6100 has an off button and it works. Doesn't stop my alarms from waking me up. So did my SE T610 before that
Everybody here has had a cell phone before. The all have "off" buttons that turn the device off. Only Microsoft, in its infinite stupidity, has decided to have a an "off" button that should in fact be labelled "sleep".
You are the one with no clue.
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Oh skagen, how ignorant you are. Seems you cannot understand pictures, let alone words.
The label on the Jam "off" button is a line through a broken circle, which is the IEC symbol for STANDBY, not POWER OFF. Just like on all other PDAs, and your TV remote control.
See
http://eetd.lbl.gov/Controls/overview/symbols1.pdf
Now look again at all your "phones" which completely shut down when you press the "power" button. What symbol do they have?
Seeing as you obviously have so much difficulty telling the difference between a cellphone and a Palm, a phone and a PocketPC, or a power switch from a standby button, here's another teaser for you.
1. How do cellphones manage to keep their memory when they are turned off or the battery is removed?
2. What is the difference between the memory in cellphone and that in most PDAs?
3. Why do most PDAs have Standby (Soft Off) and not Power (Hard Off) buttons?
Wow, seems like some people are getting really sensitive when I call the Magician a phone... Sorry if I insulted you guys, it is just that I compare it to a phone because I use it for that the most, but I do understand that it is actually much more than that!
I have no problems with the way the sleep button works, it is ok for me, I just wanted to say that there are other possibilities that could have been used to map the button to. Especially since some people would have liked the button to work more "phone wise". But since it is primarily a PDA, I see that this current application is the most logical thing for the button to do.
BTW you are totally right that most running apps are termintated when pushing the power button. Although WMP stays active in the running programs menu, the music is cut off. However, since the prog stays loaded, does this consume more power than shutting it down completey (e.g. with SPB Pocket Plus)?
I think the Today screen stays loaded BECAUSE IT IS RIGHT THERE AFTER WAKE UP, just as you say: it does not have to be booted first. BTW: I have a little window in my fridge door to check wether the light goes off .
And please guys, don't call each other jerks or ignorant just because someone's questions or remarks anoy you. Reply polite or don't reply at all!
Doesn't pulling out the keyboard mean that I wish to use the device?
If so why didn't they make doing so to power on the device automatically.
Can this be done?
This is something I've thought of too, especially since once you have slid out the keyboard, it becomes difficult to hit the power button (or do I just have fat fingers )
would love to know if some one could get this to work.
This is so obvious to us that it should be doable. Let's hope it is.
I don't think this would be a good idea. because the keyboard slide easly open when you pull it out of the case or when you just handle it. each time it will power up on unwanted moments. your battery will draw more quickly.
I don't think this would be a good idea. because the keyboard slide easly open when you pull it out of the case or when you just handle it. each time it will power up on unwanted moments. your battery will draw more quickly.
It would only need to power up when the backlight of the keyboard comes on, so that would require the keyboard to be fully open. It's unlikely you'd do that by accident.
I agree its only when it clicks back fully that the the screen flips over which means it should be safe to turn on at that point.
Besides it seems to lock closed rather nicely for me but perhaps with age it will wear out.
At least as adults we could have been given the option to take the risk !
i agree this would be a good idea - in fact i wondered why it doesn't do this by default when i first used it...
Slide out keyboard should power on device
Yes this is missing, let the power on respons on the end of sliding like the screen switch!
What if it automatically opened the "new text message" window as well? I think that could be quite cool, cause the only time I open the keyboard is to write a message usually
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What if it automatically opened the "new text message" window as well? I think that could be quite cool, cause the only time I open the keyboard is to write a message usually
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Logical thing would be to make "keyboard opened" a configurable "button", just like how you can assign actions to other (real) buttons.
Is the JasJam better behaved than WM2003 models in terms of waking up? My iMate PDA2k wakes up and activates the screen when e.g. received SMS, or connected bluetooth, or all sorts of things. Having the screen activate causes lots of accidental things like making phone calls etc. Same thing happens getting it out of holster or pocket while ringing. When it wakes up to ring or otherwise notify, the screen should stay locked until a hard button is used.
has there been updated with this?
Ive searched the registry thinking that if the OS knows the keyboard is open and rotates the screen then surely we can tell it to wake it up. But not much luck...
Gday TyTN folk.
I have an iMate PDA2k and am thinking of moving to TyTN, but being a bit frustrated with my current unit I'd like to know whether TyTN makes a better phone than BA does.
My specific botherments are:
- notification light (green/red/orange) where the functions over-ride each other. e.g. if I miss a call while its charging, it starts flashing red, but then it completes charging and goes green. Actually, even if it's not charging it seems to stop flashing red after a while. I want it to keep flashing red until I actually handle the device and should have noticed.
To me it makes more sense to combine the bluetooth light with the charge light, and leave the phone notification as a separate item.
- notification icon space in start bar. Currently it's ALWAYS showing a multi-message bubble icon (I'm always in CDMA 1x coverage, and also have an app running that puts its own notification icon up) so I don't see a new one for SMS or voice message. It looks like the best answer might actually be a 3rd party start-bar app, but still.. is it any better under WM5?
- waking up. Incoming calls, messages, and bluetooth connections, wake up the device completely. If it's in the pouch, or worse, in my pocket, the screen then gets bumped, thereby performing actions I don't want to. Even getting it out of my pocket without bumping the screen is a challenge. I tried setting an unlock password (some time ago) but that wasn't satisfactory; I don't remember whether the screen still unlocked on incoming calls, or if unlocking was too much a nuisance.
Ideally, it should wake up enough so that the firm hardware buttons are unlocked but the screen isn't active until you've used a button.
The voice-recording button used to annoy me with accidental presses when removing from pouch; I changed that button to do screen rotate which I find more useful, and no big deal when pushed accidentally - just push it again.
- Sound quality, especially for the person on the other end of a call. I've had people tell me I'm faint on the iMate. Positioning is a little interesting as I don't really want to rub my face all over the screen. Does the TyTN pick up any better?
- turning the phone off. (Like Windows' contradictory "click start to shut down") I really don't like the fiddly actions required to "turn on flight mode" on pda2k, especially when I don't want to get out the stylus. People with normal mobile phones can turn them completely off using one hardware button, and they don't have to look hard to see whether it's on or off. Some have mentioned wanting an easy way to switch to/from silent mode.
Is there a quick, sensible, easy way to turn the phone on and off, preferably also to/from silent?
Thanks
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- notification icon space in start bar. Currently it's ALWAYS showing a multi-message bubble icon (I'm always in CDMA 1x coverage, and also have an app running that puts its own notification icon up) so I don't see a new one for SMS or voice message. It looks like the best answer might actually be a 3rd party start-bar app, but still.. is it any better under WM5?
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First a corresponding icon (envelope, phone), after more notifications, you get a bubble (?). Not a bubble all the time.
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- turning the phone off. (Like Windows' contradictory "click start to shut down") I really don't like the fiddly actions required to "turn on flight mode" on pda2k, especially when I don't want to get out the stylus. People with normal mobile phones can turn them completely off using one hardware button, and they don't have to look hard to see whether it's on or off. Some have mentioned wanting an easy way to switch to/from silent mode.
Is there a quick, sensible, easy way to turn the phone on and off, preferably also to/from silent?
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One hardware button for standby, hold it to turn the device off completely. You get a window where you can just hit the d-pad button.
There's also a button for comm-manager, there you can select silent/vibrate mode and flight mode.
Hi, you speak of not wanting to rub your face on the screen, I actually use my TyTN in speaker phone mode to prevent this, I just quickly enable speaker on a call, and flip the phone to where the back is by my face, it puts the speaker in a good spot also, I know it sounds a bit weird, bit works pretty well.
Granted I don't do this with every call, mostly I use it when I know the call is gonna last for more than a few minutes.
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First a corresponding icon (envelope, phone), after more notifications, you get a bubble (?). Not a bubble all the time.
One hardware button for standby, hold it to turn the device off completely. You get a window where you can just hit the d-pad button.
There's also a button for comm-manager, there you can select silent/vibrate mode and flight mode.
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You're right about the notification icon, but if I was watching the screen at the time of the additional notify then I'd already know what's there and wouldn't need the icon. On the pda2k cdma, being in a 1x coverage area generates a notification, plus mNotes puts one, so there's a bubble even before I receive any sms, voicemail etc. Combine that with the behaviour of the flashing light, it means if I missed something I may not know about it unless I go looking.
Thanks re the hardware button, that's good news.
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ChaoticDruid said:
Hi, you speak of not wanting to rub your face on the screen, I actually use my TyTN in speaker phone mode to prevent this, I just quickly enable speaker on a call, and flip the phone to where the back is by my face, it puts the speaker in a good spot also, I know it sounds a bit weird, bit works pretty well.
Granted I don't do this with every call, mostly I use it when I know the call is gonna last for more than a few minutes.
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Creative! I'll remember that one..
Sounds like you should check out PhoneAlarm
Hi,
I've been trying to figure out how to implement the perfect keylock. Currently, I'm not able to find a keylock program/MortScript that does the following:
1. Lock the keypad if phone goes into standby
2. Auto-unlock the keypad if the power button is pressed.
This way, when I power on my phone, it's not locked. But if it's auto-powered on (ie reminder, etc.) then it will be locked.
Hi, I find it interesting that, you can upload scripts please
Greetings and Thanks
Sorry for the English
have you tried S2U2? (Slide to unlock - keylock similar to iPhone's)
Think it does 1) not 2), but I'm not too sure...
it looks cool though
Our device does both points as standard. Problem that it powers itself on and automatically unlocks when for example a call or any notification pops up on the screen.
I agree with hachuah's idea about automatic locking, so I'm looking for application that could:
1. Lock the screen if standby
2. On standby mode. If I tap some part of the screen (some part of screen only to save some batt power), then it would show option to unlock.
3. If I tap, but do nothing or do not unlock, it would goes to standby again.
With above I do not have to push the power button, buttons are easy to be come wear and stay down.
I'm even gladly to pay for someone who's willing to create that kind of application. Or is it already available?
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2. On standby mode. If I tap some part of the screen (some part of screen only to save some batt power), then it would show option to unlock.
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I seriously doubt if that could be archieved by software alone. The touch screen is essentially connected to the LCD power. If the panel is off, the touch screen is off.
Furthermore, it's a all-or-none operation - you just can't have "part" of it on, and ther other part off. I am pretty certain no manufacturer would ever produce such an implementation, even if they could.
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I seriously doubt if that could be archieved by software alone. The touch screen is essentially connected to the LCD power. If the panel is off, the touch screen is off.
Furthermore, it's a all-or-none operation - you just can't have "part" of it on, and ther other part off. I am pretty certain no manufacturer would ever produce such an implementation, even if they could.
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I know that Symbian phone able to do that.
So, basically I could set the timer for the screen to go off. And when the screen off and tap on the screen, it will ask if I want to unlock the screen or not. If not, it will go off again.
So, from what you said, it is impossible to make the screen off but the touch on? It is a hardware issue then. What a sad. Only recently I moved from Symbian to WM, if only WM doesn't rely on button too much.
Or maybe it is possible by set the brightness to very minimal, so doesn't display anything, but the touch is still working?
So, it's an application that would turn the brightness off and lock after some defined time. And would turn the brightness on again when the touchscreen is tapped to ask if user want to unlock.
Is it possible?
Perhaps I should clarify what I said - what I meant by "all or none" operation is that the *touch screen* won't be able to get switched on partially - to save power as you have hoped.
In fact, the touch screen is technically separated from the LCD panel itself, and the backlite too - but it's either a MS or HTC decision that they are stuck together, i.e. you just can't have the LCD off, with the touch screen stays on.
In fact, recent HTC devices WM5 or above have elmininated the function to actually turn off the backlight while the LCD panel is on.
So what we can do is very much limited to use a button based keylock, instead of a touch screen based.
As for your suggestion to display "black" on screen while keeping minimal backlight - it's note quite practical in HTC devices. First the backlight must be on as I said earlier for it to display even "black" such that the touch screen is responsive. It follows that your battery will be drained extremely quickly.
Even with very small power to LCD for the touch could work still takes too much power? Aww.. so it is not possible to do what I want.
Well, I guess I need to get used to with using button, or maybe next time I will try to use bluetooth device to wake the screen.
Thank you for the information, very educating and useful.
hachuah said:
Hi,
I've been trying to figure out how to implement the perfect keylock. Currently, I'm not able to find a keylock program/MortScript that does the following:
1. Lock the keypad if phone goes into standby
2. Auto-unlock the keypad if the power button is pressed.
This way, when I power on my phone, it's not locked. But if it's auto-powered on (ie reminder, etc.) then it will be locked.
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try either of these, i think they might both do what you want
Hey guys,
I've recently flashed the latest AMP (Wm 6.1) onto my G4 and i've noticed an annoying problem.
I don't know if it's the ROM or the fact that i've not used the device in a while, but it seems the slightest nudge on the screen will turn the device on and light up the backlight.
This is really annoying and will kill my battery quickly. Is there any app or registry tweak that can disable the slide mechanism from activating the power i.e. if the power is off, opening the slide will not power the device on - ONLY the power button will do this.
Any suggestions?
Well, that IS the way that the Wizard works! It shouldnt be turning on when you slide the screen if the device is in sleep mode...so I would say that it has something to do with the ROM. Try hard-reseting or flashing again my friend and see if it helps!
Yeah, but we are talking the slightest tap or millimeter and it turns on.
I'm going to try a reflash and hoping that it's not a hardware fault.
Im sorry, I said that wrong. The Wizard SHOULD NOT turn on when you open the keyboard, if you have powered it down with the power button or it has turned off automatically via time-out. It should only wake from sleep if you press the power button, sorry for the confusion!
Though it does indeed still seem like a ROM problem to me!