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Button lock question, please be gentle with me

Hi Guys.
I had a quick search for this but other than posts about the button lock "when off" thing, which I have enabled, I can't find a fix for this, what I consider to be, bug/fault/failing.
The thing which really really gripes with me is the dumb buttons all around the edges of the Universal. Sure, when the phone is off, they are disabled, but what about when the phone rings ?
I grab the phone but have to try to dance around any and all buttons because as soon as it gets a call it wakes and the buttons become live.
I've had to forget having the phone in it's case (I tried a krussell case for it but it stresses the screen hinge) because you have to wail away on the keys in order to get the thing out the case.
I could assign the functions of the buttons to <none> but it kinda negates them even being there.
A way to disable them when off and also on call receipt would be just the ticket.
gee, I really hate this aspect and if I lose another call I swear I'll throw it out the window.

I dont really understand your concerns.
I use button lock, and they do lock without a problem.
When my phone rings, the phone call buttons are active to accept or decline.
I also use the krussel case and didnt find any hinge stress, and had easy access to the answer and hangup buttons located on the hinge. mind use, i usually keep the clam closed so i had not problem accessing any of the buttons, ever.
I have also extended the ring time from the 10second default to the 30 second maximum available, so I am not in any rush to answer the phone in the first place, and dont need to visually see who is calling as I accept all incoming calls, or decline all incoming despite who it is. so simply pressing the green button located on the hinge is easy.
so alas, I dont understand your problem.

But when your phone rings, the other external buttons are also active, camera etc. So, when dragging the phone out of a pocket or it's case, you are almost bound to catch one of those butons or, as has happened, the Red call-end button on the side.

marcuskeeler said:
But when your phone rings, the other external buttons are also active, camera etc. So, when dragging the phone out of a pocket or it's case, you are almost bound to catch one of those butons or, as has happened, the Red call-end button on the side.
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I tested this on mine and whilst you are right about the buttons being active, the phone answer/ignore window stayed foremost regardless. In my case i tested a button I have assigned to notes and the notes window appeared underneath the call window.
As with previous comments I really don't see the issue as anything more than trivial, especially considering the buttons size and pressure required to activate it. Perhaps someone will (or has) write a little utility to disable the buttons except for the phone answer/ignore. In the meantime I wouldn't worry about it.

Using a SPV M5000 and keep it in the leather/elastic holster provided with the phone, and have the same problem with loosing calls whilst extracting the phone from the holster. My rings before going to answer service is set at 30 secs, and that makes no difference.
Just need to find a decent case which doesn't interfere with any of the buttons.

sipat said:
Using a SPV M5000 and keep it in the leather/elastic holster provided with the phone, and have the same problem with loosing calls whilst extracting the phone from the holster. My rings before going to answer service is set at 30 secs, and that makes no difference.
Just need to find a decent case which doesn't interfere with any of the buttons.
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You could try this case. I loved my previous xda2 case and this is the closest I could get with a belt clip. Phone rings, I unclip, check the green (middle) phone button, press and answer. Finish and press red (end) phone button and reclip.
BTW I'm not at all related to the vendor.

Slide out keyboard should power on device.

Doesn't pulling out the keyboard mean that I wish to use the device?
If so why didn't they make doing so to power on the device automatically.
Can this be done?

This is something I've thought of too, especially since once you have slid out the keyboard, it becomes difficult to hit the power button (or do I just have fat fingers )

would love to know if some one could get this to work.

This is so obvious to us that it should be doable. Let's hope it is.

I don't think this would be a good idea. because the keyboard slide easly open when you pull it out of the case or when you just handle it. each time it will power up on unwanted moments. your battery will draw more quickly.

I don't think this would be a good idea. because the keyboard slide easly open when you pull it out of the case or when you just handle it. each time it will power up on unwanted moments. your battery will draw more quickly.

It would only need to power up when the backlight of the keyboard comes on, so that would require the keyboard to be fully open. It's unlikely you'd do that by accident.

I agree its only when it clicks back fully that the the screen flips over which means it should be safe to turn on at that point.
Besides it seems to lock closed rather nicely for me but perhaps with age it will wear out.
At least as adults we could have been given the option to take the risk !

i agree this would be a good idea - in fact i wondered why it doesn't do this by default when i first used it...

Slide out keyboard should power on device
Yes this is missing, let the power on respons on the end of sliding like the screen switch!

What if it automatically opened the "new text message" window as well? I think that could be quite cool, cause the only time I open the keyboard is to write a message usually

jamijam said:
What if it automatically opened the "new text message" window as well? I think that could be quite cool, cause the only time I open the keyboard is to write a message usually
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Logical thing would be to make "keyboard opened" a configurable "button", just like how you can assign actions to other (real) buttons.
Is the JasJam better behaved than WM2003 models in terms of waking up? My iMate PDA2k wakes up and activates the screen when e.g. received SMS, or connected bluetooth, or all sorts of things. Having the screen activate causes lots of accidental things like making phone calls etc. Same thing happens getting it out of holster or pocket while ringing. When it wakes up to ring or otherwise notify, the screen should stay locked until a hard button is used.

has there been updated with this?
Ive searched the registry thinking that if the OS knows the keyboard is open and rotates the screen then surely we can tell it to wake it up. But not much luck...

Screen go off on phone call

Hi, everyone. My Tytn when is on a phone call, switch off the screen. I can't find anything like this in the forun (perhaps I don't look for on the right way).
I not find how to disconnect it on the configuaration of my Tytn. Does anybody knows how to get the screen on during a phone call.
The problem is when I'm driving, and on a phone call, lose the screen and my navigator instructions. It's is a problem, cause, I must to switch on the PDA and reconnect the navigator. (the people alwais call on the worst moment , I don't know why?)
Thanks to all.

Start>Settings>System>backlight>Battery Power, then take the tick off the selection "Turn off backlight if device is not used". Do the same under the external power tab.
At the bottom of the screen you should see a MENU option. Click on the Advanced tab then take the tick off the option "Turn off device if not used for ...."
This lot should solve your problem. The downside is you might then start to use more battery power as the device leaves itself in an always on position.
VCheers
WB

wacky.banana has offered some good advice. But IF your problem happens ONLY when a phone call comes in, then I think you might have phoneAlarm installed and configured to do this. pA includes this feature in order to let folks listen and speak, with the phone against their ear, and not fear starting up myriad applications as their ear touches the pressure-sensitive screen.
Just an idea.
-pvs

just press the button
just press the standby button, or any button to turn the screen back on,
id rather have the option to turn the screen back on, rather than having it on all the time especially if i am out and about, and as we all know, battery power on the tytn is a precious commodity :_)

Call Pickup: Call pickup while phone is in my pocket. How to prevent?

hello xda community
i'm very new to the blackstone and this is my first post here. so please bear with me if i'm asking very basic questions here.
my problem:
i carry my blackstone in my pocket all the time. and many people told me throughout the last days that they called me and that i picked up the call by accident.
since i work at customer sites mostly my phone is muted. so people call me and somehow i pickup the calls while the phone is in my pocket.
i always turn of the screen and i have the automatic lock (password protection) enabled. still when the incoming call screen comes up it looks like it is possible that calls are being picked up.
i know there is the slide which has to be moved to the left in order to pickup calls.
i have tried myself by calling my from my home phone and touching the screen and the buttons at random. and indeed the calls are being picked up. i was not able to find out how this is happening ... but it does.
so is there any setting i can change or any additional piece of software i can install to make sure calls are only answered when i want?
possible a reg key i need to change?
any help is very much appreciated
cheers

This isn't just a problem with the Blackstone; every WM phone I have had does this. I have found that a good locking program handles this quie well. I personally like S2U2 by A_C, but there are many others available. You can look in the apps forum, or check the development & hacking forum from the main menu.
The other thing to check is that you have all your notifcations set properly. I set all of mine to vibrate only. Many of them turn on the screen by default. Unfortunately this won't fix the problem on its' own though.

mwelch16 ... thank you very much for the reply
i will give it a try and see how it works for me.
so that means first of all i will have to slide that iphone type of lock and then take the call by using the regular slider?
is there any other way (without) an additional piece of software to handle this? cause after all there is the build in slider ... but somehow it's not working as it is supposed to. any enhancement to that?
thanks again

Is there a way how to disable the CALL PICKUP button which is on the left? so the first of the four buttons?
I think it's because it getting pressed while my phone is in the pocket.
thanks a lot

I use Pocket Shield - it's not free (free to try though) but it's worked well for me

tibor78 said:
mwelch16 ... thank you very much for the reply
i will give it a try and see how it works for me.
so that means first of all i will have to slide that iphone type of lock and then take the call by using the regular slider?
is there any other way (without) an additional piece of software to handle this? cause after all there is the build in slider ... but somehow it's not working as it is supposed to. any enhancement to that?
thanks again
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No, S2U2 will unlock itself for a phone call and then lock the phone again after the call. So no need to slide to unlock and then answer your phone. It has a bunch of different settings, and yes I believe it locks the hard buttons.

thanks folks for the replies
i found all the settings i was looking for in the S2U2 options. so i'm good right now.
thanks again

You're probably answering the call by pressing the "phone" button (the very left of the four buttons on the bottom). You can either use those buttons to answer/hang up, or the on screen slider.

I've used AE Button Plus to disable the 'Answer' and 'End' hardware keys and re-mapped them to turn wifi and bluetooth off and on. This way there is no chance of hanging up on a call by mistake since you need to use the slide to answer on screen.

Similar but opposite problem
I'm having a problem along the same lines. If I get a call when the phone is in my pocket and answer it on my bluetooth headset, when the call ends the phone then rings someone else, usually the same person who is at the top of my contacts list. Not only is this damned annoying for me, it's getting a bit tedious for the person getting the unwanted calls.
Is there any way to get the phone to immediately lock as soon as a call terminates to prevent this happening? I'm assuming that once the call ends and it returns to the default contact/dial pad screen, the merest brush against the screen will be enough to start a new call.
I'm beginning to think I should have stuck with my iPhone

CreepinJesus said:
You're probably answering the call by pressing the "phone" button (the very left of the four buttons on the bottom). You can either use those buttons to answer/hang up, or the on screen slider.
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I've the exact same problem, 3/4 of the incoming calls rejected when I get the phone out of my pocket due to End button accidentally pressed.
What did they thought when they implement the slide to answer ????
The purpose of the slide to answer is to avoid such accident, but why the hell did they keep the Answer / End buttons active ????? total non sense to me.
Will check if this AE Button + app can solve this annoying behaviour.

has anyone tried Lockmelite?
It may help - haven't used it myself though.

x 2 for PocketShield. It uses the light sensor in your phone to prevent the touchscreen from activating when the device is inside, say, a pouch, or in your pocket.
I'm using evaluation version 2.6.2.10, which as I understand it, has full functionality, except that every now and then, randomly (and IMO infrequently enough to not be annoying) before unlocking it displays a 10 second message saying that you're using an evaluation version. Note that this *never* happens during an incoming phone call. Good stuff.

Hi,
Try TouchLockPro :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=444215
Now it handle light unlock in any cases, that as solved all my issues (pocket, in cas BT,...) and fulfill all my requirements.
BR

Pocket Shield doing perfect job for me

I use AE Buttons Plus to disable the "Answer" & "End" virtual buttons. Then I used iconsoft Phonext to handle all my calling functionalities. When a call comes in, Phonext display a lock screen which you have to slide before it presents you with all the options like answer, decline, silence etc.
This way, I never accidentally pickup a call or dial a number.

Screen Lock issue with HD2

After i hang up on a call (when the phone is in sleep mode and the screen is locked) the screen unlocks. this is quite contrary to what is mentioned in the phone manual chapter 1 page 45. this becomes an issue since i use a bluetooth headset and the phone remains in its sleeve/case and after every call, a whole bunch of applications will launch since the case is in contact with the screen. have i overlooked some settings or are there other owners who have faced this issue?
ideas and suggestions welcomed

did you check it out if any of the hardware buttons being pressed against the case hence wakening up the phone.?

i had it to only closed al my apps in taskm and it stoped flickering

My HD2 is also behaving in the same way even in controlled test conditions - the phone unlocks when a call comes in (I'm presented with slide to accept or reject call) The phone unlocks during the call, but fails to lock again on disconnect (either by pressing "end call" or hang up via bluetooth).
Can anyone verify this? Is it interacting with something I installed?

I believe I found a (complicated) workaround.
What I want: leave HD2 inside pocket, answer calls with bluetooth headset, hang up and phone will go back to lock.
Problem: After I hang up using bluetooth or press the big red "End Call" button or the other party hangs up, the phone stays unlocked! It stays powered on and all kinds of buttons gets clicked.
Practically all lock sw uses their own lock screen (which I don't want to install). CSDevCtrl does not trigger by phone. TouchLockPro uses its own transparent lock screen but can respond to phone events. Using the !SUSPEND for TAPI\Ended under settings does not seem to work when the screen dims about 50 secs into the call.
Solution: Use TouchLockPro together with LockAndOff. Get TAPI\Ended to run LockAndOff will turn phone off, whether by bluetooth, big red "End Call" button, or the other party hangs up.
BTW: I think there is some confusion on whether the phone locks when you
1. press the big red "End Call" button, or
2. the hard "End call" button
in the forums.

I noticed that HD2 have a light sensor next to the top ear speaker.
During a call, if the phone is put near the ear and cover the light sensor , the screen become non-active which is good.
If anyone can come up with a lock sceen using this light sensor , then the problem with random launch of program when phone inside pocket will be solved.
This lock screen should only activated right after an end of call, beacuse , sometime you may want to use the phone in a dark place.

linivan said:
I noticed that HD2 have a light sensor next to the top ear speaker.
During a call, if the phone is put near the ear and cover the light sensor , the screen become non-active which is good.
If anyone can come up with a lock sceen using this light sensor , then the problem with random launch of program when phone inside pocket will be solved.
This lock screen should only activated right after an end of call, beacuse , sometime you may want to use the phone in a dark place.
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It's the proximity sensor that turns the screen on and off during a call, not the light sensor. How else would it work in the dark? (which it does)

johncmolyneux said:
It's the proximity sensor that turns the screen on and off during a call, not the light sensor. How else would it work in the dark? (which it does)
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My proximity sensor does not work, when I am getting a call my screen turn off and when I am taking the phone out from my face it turn on only when I am out side at the sun!! the screen stay off when I am inside room. I tested it with flsh light and it is working also.

I have a T-Mobile US version of the HD2. I am having the same problem when using the bluetooth system in my car. After answering or making a call the phone stay unlocked. And then starts making random calls while I am driving!!!!
There has got to be an easy fix for this!!!

Buy pocketshield, problem solved.

i have this unlock problem with 1.48 rom and i solve it by pressing start button and lock. after that everything works fine unless i change theme in settings. then just repeat first step.

Solved
Same trouble with me until I use the following software. I tried it and it's almost perfect. unzip it and just copy to your HD2, run CallerLoc.exe and click Yes, you'll find:when you hang up, or he/she hang up a call, or a call is established, the screen will turn off.
Why say 'almost perfect', the software is in chinese, but the filename is in english. and it's a call location software but with the function we need.
To stop or before you delete the software, run Callerloc.exe and click Yes again.
Hope this will help you. Sorry I don't find a English version of this software. I esure and I'm using this software perfectlly with my Leo.

theciscokid said:
Buy pocketshield, problem solved.
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Same for me

Greetings.
I understand this is quite an old thread I'm digging up but I need a little help as well and I didn't want to start a new topic just for that.
I've this silly problem, appeared right out of the blue:
You all know the standard manila behavior, when the phone is idle, the screen first dims and after some more time, depending on your preferences, the screen locks. It also locks if you press the power off button. This all was happening to me till this morning.
I added an event in the calendar (the only change I made today) and after that, my phone dims and then goes in sleep mode after the designated period of time, but DOESN'T lock!!! It doesn't even lock when I press the power off button. I can still lock it by pressing Start and then lock or by press and hold the power button and choose the lock phone option. So one would say that it's still operational, so why bother about it, but I kinda liked the standard function and I have to freaking idea why it changed!!!
I'd be most appreciative if you could offer some help with that.
Oh, I forgot to mention. Soft reset didn't solve the problem. Erasing the calendar event didn't either.
My phone runs the factory ROM (1.66.482.1 ELL), I haven't changed anything other than user settings (yeah, I'm a noob... )
Thanks in advance!
Nasos

Pocketshield could be the end of your problems. You can try it for 10 days and see how it goes...

But why do I need to buy third party software in order to revert my phone to it's original operation?
No, this is not the answer I am looking for. I was wondering if you know of any kind of settings that might have changed by accident and caused this undesired behavior.
Thanks.

The best to return to normal operation would be a hard reset. Or you can spend a while trying.
You can try
HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Shell\Lockscreen\Enable=1
HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Shell\Lockscreen\Active=1

Thank you very much. I opted for the hard reset option... I hope it stays ok this time!

My HD2 also had some strange unlocking and unwanted calling.
I noticed it appeared when using the android style lockscreen.
When I changed back to the original one, problem solved

i had this too. the andriod lockscreen seems to be a bit buggy last time i used it, i accidentially called 7 random numbers