Doesn't pulling out the keyboard mean that I wish to use the device?
If so why didn't they make doing so to power on the device automatically.
Can this be done?
This is something I've thought of too, especially since once you have slid out the keyboard, it becomes difficult to hit the power button (or do I just have fat fingers )
would love to know if some one could get this to work.
This is so obvious to us that it should be doable. Let's hope it is.
I don't think this would be a good idea. because the keyboard slide easly open when you pull it out of the case or when you just handle it. each time it will power up on unwanted moments. your battery will draw more quickly.
I don't think this would be a good idea. because the keyboard slide easly open when you pull it out of the case or when you just handle it. each time it will power up on unwanted moments. your battery will draw more quickly.
It would only need to power up when the backlight of the keyboard comes on, so that would require the keyboard to be fully open. It's unlikely you'd do that by accident.
I agree its only when it clicks back fully that the the screen flips over which means it should be safe to turn on at that point.
Besides it seems to lock closed rather nicely for me but perhaps with age it will wear out.
At least as adults we could have been given the option to take the risk !
i agree this would be a good idea - in fact i wondered why it doesn't do this by default when i first used it...
Slide out keyboard should power on device
Yes this is missing, let the power on respons on the end of sliding like the screen switch!
What if it automatically opened the "new text message" window as well? I think that could be quite cool, cause the only time I open the keyboard is to write a message usually
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What if it automatically opened the "new text message" window as well? I think that could be quite cool, cause the only time I open the keyboard is to write a message usually
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Logical thing would be to make "keyboard opened" a configurable "button", just like how you can assign actions to other (real) buttons.
Is the JasJam better behaved than WM2003 models in terms of waking up? My iMate PDA2k wakes up and activates the screen when e.g. received SMS, or connected bluetooth, or all sorts of things. Having the screen activate causes lots of accidental things like making phone calls etc. Same thing happens getting it out of holster or pocket while ringing. When it wakes up to ring or otherwise notify, the screen should stay locked until a hard button is used.
has there been updated with this?
Ive searched the registry thinking that if the OS knows the keyboard is open and rotates the screen then surely we can tell it to wake it up. But not much luck...
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Hi Guys.
I had a quick search for this but other than posts about the button lock "when off" thing, which I have enabled, I can't find a fix for this, what I consider to be, bug/fault/failing.
The thing which really really gripes with me is the dumb buttons all around the edges of the Universal. Sure, when the phone is off, they are disabled, but what about when the phone rings ?
I grab the phone but have to try to dance around any and all buttons because as soon as it gets a call it wakes and the buttons become live.
I've had to forget having the phone in it's case (I tried a krussell case for it but it stresses the screen hinge) because you have to wail away on the keys in order to get the thing out the case.
I could assign the functions of the buttons to <none> but it kinda negates them even being there.
A way to disable them when off and also on call receipt would be just the ticket.
gee, I really hate this aspect and if I lose another call I swear I'll throw it out the window.
I dont really understand your concerns.
I use button lock, and they do lock without a problem.
When my phone rings, the phone call buttons are active to accept or decline.
I also use the krussel case and didnt find any hinge stress, and had easy access to the answer and hangup buttons located on the hinge. mind use, i usually keep the clam closed so i had not problem accessing any of the buttons, ever.
I have also extended the ring time from the 10second default to the 30 second maximum available, so I am not in any rush to answer the phone in the first place, and dont need to visually see who is calling as I accept all incoming calls, or decline all incoming despite who it is. so simply pressing the green button located on the hinge is easy.
so alas, I dont understand your problem.
But when your phone rings, the other external buttons are also active, camera etc. So, when dragging the phone out of a pocket or it's case, you are almost bound to catch one of those butons or, as has happened, the Red call-end button on the side.
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But when your phone rings, the other external buttons are also active, camera etc. So, when dragging the phone out of a pocket or it's case, you are almost bound to catch one of those butons or, as has happened, the Red call-end button on the side.
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I tested this on mine and whilst you are right about the buttons being active, the phone answer/ignore window stayed foremost regardless. In my case i tested a button I have assigned to notes and the notes window appeared underneath the call window.
As with previous comments I really don't see the issue as anything more than trivial, especially considering the buttons size and pressure required to activate it. Perhaps someone will (or has) write a little utility to disable the buttons except for the phone answer/ignore. In the meantime I wouldn't worry about it.
Using a SPV M5000 and keep it in the leather/elastic holster provided with the phone, and have the same problem with loosing calls whilst extracting the phone from the holster. My rings before going to answer service is set at 30 secs, and that makes no difference.
Just need to find a decent case which doesn't interfere with any of the buttons.
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Using a SPV M5000 and keep it in the leather/elastic holster provided with the phone, and have the same problem with loosing calls whilst extracting the phone from the holster. My rings before going to answer service is set at 30 secs, and that makes no difference.
Just need to find a decent case which doesn't interfere with any of the buttons.
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You could try this case. I loved my previous xda2 case and this is the closest I could get with a belt clip. Phone rings, I unclip, check the green (middle) phone button, press and answer. Finish and press red (end) phone button and reclip.
BTW I'm not at all related to the vendor.
Hello
My tytn require a quite large amount of time to wake up and I was wondering if I was the only one in this case.
It may require from 2 to 4 seconds to recover from standby; I tried to phone myself and it took about one or 2 "tuuuut" (sorry, no better english translation for that word =)) before the phone began to ring; this is quite anoying because I have to answer very fast in order not to miss call.
The virtual keyboard used for inputing the code is also getting on my nerv; most of the time it start with the landscape layout (without any reason) and it take 2 sec to adjust to the portrait layout; during that time it is hard for me to input my code correctly because the size of the key is changing.
So, 2-4 seconds for waking up plus 2 seconds for keyboard adjustement is in my opinion quite slow. Am I the only one experiencing this? Are there fixes out there?
I also have some trouble with notification; it wake the device up! If the device is not password protected (only after 15 minutes on my phone) it start most of the time PIE (because of the hardware button). All this lead so to my second question: Is there a way not to wake up the device (at least the input) in order to avoid unwanted press on the hardwares buttons.
Thank you in advance !
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Is there a way not to wake up the device (at least the input) in order to avoid unwanted press on the hardwares buttons.
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Settings -> System -> Key Lock -> When device is off: "Lock all buttons except Power button"
Thanks for your fast answer, i ll give a try!
Concerning the screen orientation issue I found out that it is related to the HTC case magnet.
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In fact it was already configured like this; the device is not waked up by the hardware buttons, but by the notifications.
if you use the key lock you can avoid unwanted key presses. As for wake up times. I don't think anyone who has this device wants to admit that it takes to long cause they paid sooo much for it. However, I will admit that it does take a long time to wake up. I am comfortable saying this because its much like a turbo car, at first its not as fast as most naturally aspirated cars (turbo lag), then it blows their doors off. So it takes a couple seconds to wake up, then its faster then most other devices.
Later, Lew
Agreed. Coming from standby I get two rings of the "Old Phone" ringtone before it goes to voice mail.
I am hoping that new firmware will resolve this issue - my wizard was certainly more responsive when i presses the poer button to bring it out of standby. This is furthur delayed by the fact that i keep scabbling around the top of the device for the power button insted of the side!
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Settings -> System -> Key Lock -> When device is off: "Lock all buttons except Power button"
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This doesn't help with the particular problem. What I think fun_key is trying to say is that whenever he gets a notification (for example when he gets a new sms message or a notification for a meeting) the phone will come out of sleep mode, so the key lock setting for "when device is off" won't be in effect. Instead the device will be powered up and accepting all keypresses, like the IE / Messaging- buttons, not to mention any presses on the screen.
I too find this annoying, and wish there was a way to make the phone go back to sleep after showing me a notification, instead of waiting for the default sleep time to go by. There are programs out there that have this functionality (for example MortSaver) though, so my advice would be to use those.
- Pud.0
thank for the mortsaver ip; i ll give a try!
Have exactly the same problems as fun_key (power button, keyboard in landscape, etc), and I suspect most of other people do. The wizard was definitely more responsive.
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It may require from 2 to 4 seconds to recover from standby; I tried to phone myself and it took about one or 2 "tuuuut" (sorry, no better english translation for that word =)) before the phone began to ring; this is quite anoying because I have to answer very fast in order not to miss call.QUOTE]
I've found a solution to the problem regarding the length of time before a call is missed (this is probably known by most people, I only found it after tinkering with the settings):
Start>Settings>Phone>Services(Tab). Choose Call Forwarding in the list, then click Get Settings. Change the 'Forward After' setting to a higher number. I changed mine to 25 seconds. Problem solved for me!
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g00nerz said:
fun_key said:
It may require from 2 to 4 seconds to recover from standby; I tried to phone myself and it took about one or 2 "tuuuut" (sorry, no better english translation for that word =)) before the phone began to ring; this is quite anoying because I have to answer very fast in order not to miss call.QUOTE]
I've found a solution to the problem regarding the length of time before a call is missed (this is probably known by most people, I only found it after tinkering with the settings):
Start>Settings>Phone>Services(Tab). Choose Call Forwarding in the list, then click Get Settings. Change the 'Forward After' setting to a higher number. I changed mine to 25 seconds. Problem solved for me!
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Glad your problem is solved. Perhaps others may find the following of note as well as your solution above:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/archive/index.php/t-258109.html
Mike
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Hi team
I have the same issue, every time i turn my hermes on after its been off for more than say 30seconds it starts in landscape mode then switches to portraite mode, its driving me mad, at least i now know i am not the only person. maybe this will be fixed in the next rom update, fingers crossed aye
UPDATE: i also found this thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=286552&highlight=standby+landscape
does anyone have any thoughts on his comments?
I actually think that the reply in the thread i posted above is correct,
My Hermes is an IMATE JASJAM (same thing of course) and i use the original belt holder that came with it, it has two (2) magnets in it to keep the cover shut, when ever i get a msg and i pull it out of the case (turns on automatically to show me the msg) its always comes out in landscape mode.
I turned my phone on and passed the cover with magnet side down over the phone and sure enough as i did that the screen changed from portrait to landscape mode, thus confirming its the magnet that causes it and not a defect with the phone.
Gday TyTN folk.
I have an iMate PDA2k and am thinking of moving to TyTN, but being a bit frustrated with my current unit I'd like to know whether TyTN makes a better phone than BA does.
My specific botherments are:
- notification light (green/red/orange) where the functions over-ride each other. e.g. if I miss a call while its charging, it starts flashing red, but then it completes charging and goes green. Actually, even if it's not charging it seems to stop flashing red after a while. I want it to keep flashing red until I actually handle the device and should have noticed.
To me it makes more sense to combine the bluetooth light with the charge light, and leave the phone notification as a separate item.
- notification icon space in start bar. Currently it's ALWAYS showing a multi-message bubble icon (I'm always in CDMA 1x coverage, and also have an app running that puts its own notification icon up) so I don't see a new one for SMS or voice message. It looks like the best answer might actually be a 3rd party start-bar app, but still.. is it any better under WM5?
- waking up. Incoming calls, messages, and bluetooth connections, wake up the device completely. If it's in the pouch, or worse, in my pocket, the screen then gets bumped, thereby performing actions I don't want to. Even getting it out of my pocket without bumping the screen is a challenge. I tried setting an unlock password (some time ago) but that wasn't satisfactory; I don't remember whether the screen still unlocked on incoming calls, or if unlocking was too much a nuisance.
Ideally, it should wake up enough so that the firm hardware buttons are unlocked but the screen isn't active until you've used a button.
The voice-recording button used to annoy me with accidental presses when removing from pouch; I changed that button to do screen rotate which I find more useful, and no big deal when pushed accidentally - just push it again.
- Sound quality, especially for the person on the other end of a call. I've had people tell me I'm faint on the iMate. Positioning is a little interesting as I don't really want to rub my face all over the screen. Does the TyTN pick up any better?
- turning the phone off. (Like Windows' contradictory "click start to shut down") I really don't like the fiddly actions required to "turn on flight mode" on pda2k, especially when I don't want to get out the stylus. People with normal mobile phones can turn them completely off using one hardware button, and they don't have to look hard to see whether it's on or off. Some have mentioned wanting an easy way to switch to/from silent mode.
Is there a quick, sensible, easy way to turn the phone on and off, preferably also to/from silent?
Thanks
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- notification icon space in start bar. Currently it's ALWAYS showing a multi-message bubble icon (I'm always in CDMA 1x coverage, and also have an app running that puts its own notification icon up) so I don't see a new one for SMS or voice message. It looks like the best answer might actually be a 3rd party start-bar app, but still.. is it any better under WM5?
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First a corresponding icon (envelope, phone), after more notifications, you get a bubble (?). Not a bubble all the time.
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- turning the phone off. (Like Windows' contradictory "click start to shut down") I really don't like the fiddly actions required to "turn on flight mode" on pda2k, especially when I don't want to get out the stylus. People with normal mobile phones can turn them completely off using one hardware button, and they don't have to look hard to see whether it's on or off. Some have mentioned wanting an easy way to switch to/from silent mode.
Is there a quick, sensible, easy way to turn the phone on and off, preferably also to/from silent?
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One hardware button for standby, hold it to turn the device off completely. You get a window where you can just hit the d-pad button.
There's also a button for comm-manager, there you can select silent/vibrate mode and flight mode.
Hi, you speak of not wanting to rub your face on the screen, I actually use my TyTN in speaker phone mode to prevent this, I just quickly enable speaker on a call, and flip the phone to where the back is by my face, it puts the speaker in a good spot also, I know it sounds a bit weird, bit works pretty well.
Granted I don't do this with every call, mostly I use it when I know the call is gonna last for more than a few minutes.
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First a corresponding icon (envelope, phone), after more notifications, you get a bubble (?). Not a bubble all the time.
One hardware button for standby, hold it to turn the device off completely. You get a window where you can just hit the d-pad button.
There's also a button for comm-manager, there you can select silent/vibrate mode and flight mode.
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You're right about the notification icon, but if I was watching the screen at the time of the additional notify then I'd already know what's there and wouldn't need the icon. On the pda2k cdma, being in a 1x coverage area generates a notification, plus mNotes puts one, so there's a bubble even before I receive any sms, voicemail etc. Combine that with the behaviour of the flashing light, it means if I missed something I may not know about it unless I go looking.
Thanks re the hardware button, that's good news.
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Hi, you speak of not wanting to rub your face on the screen, I actually use my TyTN in speaker phone mode to prevent this, I just quickly enable speaker on a call, and flip the phone to where the back is by my face, it puts the speaker in a good spot also, I know it sounds a bit weird, bit works pretty well.
Granted I don't do this with every call, mostly I use it when I know the call is gonna last for more than a few minutes.
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Creative! I'll remember that one..
Sounds like you should check out PhoneAlarm
I love my Piel-Frama case. I got the cowskin in blue.
http://www.pielframa.com/menu_htc_tytn.htm
However, the cover activates the touch screen. I was talking to my boss while walking down the street, and it made a note the call history that looked like a hand giving him the finger.
How do you guys deal with covers that touch the touchscreen? If I have a bluetooth headset, I want to walk and talk but the screen goes crazy!
this can't be an unusual problem. i must be missing something easy and simple. If your case covers the screen of your phone, and you are walking and talkng on your bluetooth wireless headset, doesn't the touchscreen get activated by your case!??!
Lock the device before putting it in the case..
Locking the device involves a password. I toggle the device off with the off button (not completely off -screen off) but it must be that the off button gets activated by the case as well, cuz often when I open it back up I have flipped screens and drawn notes by walking...am I the only one with this problem?
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Locking the device involves a password. I toggle the device off with the off button (not completely off -screen off) but it must be that the off button gets activated by the case as well, cuz often when I open it back up I have flipped screens and drawn notes by walking...am I the only one with this problem?
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Doesnt involve a password on my Hermes...
I got a lock button then i press the unlock softkey and tap the screen where it says unlock
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Locking the device involves a password. I toggle the device off with the off button (not completely off -screen off) but it must be that the off button gets activated by the case as well, cuz often when I open it back up I have flipped screens and drawn notes by walking...am I the only one with this problem?
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Buddy, read your Tytn's manual. Nobody advises you to lock your device with a password/number combination. That would be time-based. Many people here including me don't just press the off button to switch the display off but use the default (or third party app) devicelock functionality. You can even use this as a today screen plugin. Press it and once off your device will only accept input via on-button and an unlock-button afterwards on the todayscreen.
Of course people prevent their phones from making accindental phonecalls etc. You should have noticed that function from beginning on however, because this is a default today plugin when you're using your device for the very first time.
Good luck
OK, i had a hard case for the last 8 months and switched to a soft one. At some point I had taken out that lock button thing. It's kind of small to activate, but, I'll live with it
i`m currently playing and tweaking my 3 day old HD2. Shame I got one, now my Rhodium and Kaiser are oldish and forgotten =) What a wonderful device the HD2 is.
So far, I´ve managed to tweak all the things I wanted, except for one: in all other devices, I can access the system page and a "keylock" option there, so I can configure the device to wake up ony if the power button is pressed while locked. There is no keylock option in the HD2, and while in the pocket, buttons keep getting pressed and the screen is turning on. I want to reduce that to as few times as possible (since battery life seems to be a problem with the HD2).
Any ideas ? Guess they removed the keylock option simply because the HD2 does not have a power button... anyway, waking up the device with a specific key (only) would be nice.
tia
I'm looking for the same thing. Please advice!
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to the list that would like this option. My HD2 is always being turned onin my pocket and its seriously reducing the bettery life!!!
ok... bump. My day ended up with a dead phone. The screen turned on so many times that the cellphone got warm... more than once.
doesnt it has Automatic lock ????
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doesnt it has Automatic lock ????
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... it does... and it works. Problem is not locking or remaining locked, but the fact that the screen turns on even locked.
I mean, if you lock the phone, there is only 1 way to unlock it (by sliding the unlock button on screen). But hitting *any* button (except for the volume) brings the display up. Since the buttons are elevated, it´s not that difficult to keep hitting the buttons while it is in your pocket.
The end result is that the screen remains lit, wasting battery. It would be nice if, once locked, only 1 single button would bring the screen on. That would reduce the chance of turning it on by accident.
With my Kaiser and Rhodium, both have a power button. Once the screen is locked, the only key that will bring it to life is the power button itself (that is somewhat difficult to hit by accident). But the Leo does not have a power button.
Would the leather case solve that? I know it's more impractical but if anything saves battery it would be worth it.
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Would the leather case solve that? I know it's more impractical but if anything saves battery it would be worth it.
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Unfortunately, no... In fact, the standard leather case (that came with it) is so tight that if you put the phone with the buttons first, they get pressed.
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Unfortunately, no... In fact, the standard leather case (that came with it) is so tight that if you put the phone with the buttons first, they get pressed.
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Yeah just tried, don't think it will loosen any more either. I guess you need a jacket pocket with plenty of space, a trouser/jean pocket would be fine until you sit down.
Well, didn´t find any app that would help me do this trick. In fact, a simple app that enable us to configure the key that wakes up the phone after locking, could solve the problem. Was thinking about changing to the volume down key (guess it is one of the hardest to accidentally press, like when in a pocket).
As a temporary measure, if you use the leather slip case it came with, put the phone in upside down so that the USB is pointing out the open end.
I've bought a leather executive flip case that stops accidental button pressing. But it's not everyone's cup of tea to make the phone bulkier in the pocket.
Any people can provide other solution like change the registry or make a simple software?
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Any people can provide other solution like change the registry or make a simple software?
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Bump - someone must know the answer - I hope!
Just to share my experience.
I never use the leather case. It is too tight to squeeze in. And the HD2 is not as fragile as the other models. However if you use a screen protector, then you may find that it is pretty easy to scratch and dent the screen protector, which is rather visibly annoying.
As for keylock, I think TouchLockPro is rather good. It can't stop the end button from waking up the phone. Nobody can, because it is the only method to wake up an HD2. However, you can set the phone to go back to sleep in say 5 seconds. Or you can keep it always locked when it is dark (in your bag or pocket).