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Will TomTom Navigator 5.x work with the Universal?

Hi, I'm hoping to get the new Windows Mobile 5 device dubbed the HTC Universal, AKA o2 xda Exec.
TomTom tell me TomTom Navigator 5 is NOT compatible with it.
www.mobilefun.co.uk state that it is compatible.
Some people on forums say they have 5.1 working with the device.
Other people state the Bluetooth won't lock in.
Does anyone here know the truth?

Yes it will work
It works. I use TT 5.1 about every day (via a bluetooth receiver). Here's the instructions to install the program.
http://www.pocketgps.co.uk/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=28171&highlight=
Go about half way down.
To install your BT GPS receiver. First pair the device. Then add a new COM Port under the Bluetooth settings. You want to add an OUTGOING port. I usually specify it as COM0. Then start up TT5, go into GPS configuration, selct "Other BT Receiver", then select COM0 from the menu. TOMTOM will automatically start up BT (it doesn't have to on before you launch the program), find the already paired receiver and start communicating with (give it some time though. the whole process takes about 30 seconds to a minute).
Hope this helps.

Cool, thanks!
And finally... I assume the Universal can support 2 simultaneous bluetooth connections? E.g. can I use TomTom with the bluetooth GPS at the same time as speaking on a bluetooth car kit?

To keep things simple
Tomtom 5.0 does NOT work with the Universal. Tomtom 5.1 Does. Hpoe this helps

Received my T-Mobile UK MDA PRO today. I can confirm that TomTom 5.1 DOES work great on it with any bluetooth GPS device, although it was a few hours before I stumbled upon a thread in this forum which had instructions on how to get it working

jasjar works fine with tt5.1 and can connect at same time with gps,headset and many bluetooth devices

Re: To keep things simple
mikeycollins13 said:
Tomtom 5.0 does NOT work with the Universal. Tomtom 5.1 Does. Hpoe this helps
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Yes it does. I have 5.0 running on my JASJAR now. Haven't upgraded to 5.1 yet in case it breaks something.

just replace the tomtom navigator.exe with the 5.1 version, all done.

How on earth did you manage to get TT5.0 to work?
I have tried everything (all the above tricka and then some) and cannot get the right com port to show up from within Tomtom? Can you tell me step by step?

How on earth did you manage to get TT5.0 to work?
I have tried everything (all the above tricka and then some) and cannot get the right com port to show up from within Tomtom? Can you tell me step by step?

Re: How on earth did you manage to get TT5.0 to work?
mikeycollins13 said:
I have tried everything (all the above tricka and then some) and cannot get the right com port to show up from within Tomtom? Can you tell me step by step?
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It does work, if you follow the guide in this thread exactly:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=28386
However, I had to use COM4 instead of COM0.
I also had a problem where I connected everything to the right COM port, could see TomTom accessing the GPS device by the LEDs, but still "no GPS device found!" - it seems TomTom likes your GPS device better if it's actually locked onto a signal (so go outside!), give all this a try

...talking of TTN5....
Has anyone had any success getting TT working with the Wired GPS mouse? Is there a way to connect it to the Exec...?(mini USB to serial connector?)
If the 2 can be physically connected, does the software see it/connect up properly?
TIA
cheers
Paul

FYI, I emailed TOMTOM about the installer crashing, and guess what they said. "TOMTOM 5 is not supported on the IMATE JasJar."
What a load of cobblers. It works perfectly well if you install it using the cab files. TOMTOM support is the biggest load of s**t I have ever come across.

JJ works fine with the following:
1) Navigon MN 5
2) TT 5.1
3) OnCourse Navigator
4) iGuidance
These have been tried and tested.

Just cause it's not supported it doesn't mean they don't think it'll work. it just means that they won't help you fix it if it goes wrong becuase they have not tested on that platform. always worth a try regardless of what the vendor or devlopers say!

Another MDA Pro with TT5
I just got an MDA Pro a couple of weeks ago, and being the fool I am, bought a copy of Tom Tom 5 from Fleabay (doh!).
On receipt, I could not get the software to load from my PC, and when trying to copy over the cab files manually, the ttn.cab file will not load on the PDA. On closer inspection, this has got something to do with 'Bekonl' so appers I have wasted some money on cracked software that does not work.
Is this right? Or if I can obtain an alternative ttn.cab file, will it load, if so will it be locked? I was just looking for a reasonable low priced SatNav solution - but this is proving to be harder than I thought!

For those of you coming from a WM2003 device you can simply install TomTom on a memory card on that. Take the memory card out and put in Universal. It works. That's it.

I am not unfortunately. I am coming from a Mk1 paper diary, a £3.99 map from the petrol station, and a bullet proof Nokia 6310i!
All help gratefully received though.

Tuscan said:
I am not unfortunately. I am coming from a Mk1 paper diary, a £3.99 map from the petrol station, and a bullet proof Nokia 6310i!
All help gratefully received though.
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If the ttn cab fails to install try this;
uninstall all tomtom entries from remove programs.
Remove sd card from device
install gps.cab
soft reset (this is the important bit)
install ttn.cab

JJ
JJ works fine with Oziexplorer, Tomtom5x
:wink:

Cannot pair XDA Mini S and BT77 GPS via bluetooth

I've been just about everywhere trying to get an answer to this, but no joy so far. I have just bought an O2 XDA Mini S PDA (ROM 2.21.4.1 WWE) running Windows Mobile 5 and a BT77 GPS receiver from Ebay. The problem is I can't get them to pair via bluetooth - this is what happens:
1. the XDA detects "BT GPS" (with a question mark icon)
2. the setup process invites me to select this device
3. I am asked for the "0000" access code
4. I then select "Serial Port" service (the only option)
5. Moving on to COM Ports tab - I create a new Outgoing Port and allocate it to COM 6 or 7 (I've tried both)
I've tried, methodically, every permutation available via the setup facility(secure/insecure pairing via check box, deletion and reset of XDA and GPS in between each try, COM 6/COM 7, etc.), but the GPS device does not pair (i.e. GPS BT indicator continues to flash every 3 seconds or so).
I know that the BT77 is OK because I've had it working nicely in Autoroute 2005 with a BT dongle in my laptop. Incidentally, I have TomTom Navigator 5.21 installed on the XDA.
I've scoured the online forums for an answer to what seems to be not an uncommon problem, but I can't find one. Is there perhaps a utility to fix this or a registry setting which can be changed maybe - I'm completely stumped!!! Can anyone help.............please?
Dave

i am having the same problem... tried installing BTH but that program does not even bother to show up
:?:

I guess the com 6/7 is unavailable. In my o2 mini with windows mobile 2003, i use com8 to pair, and working perfect. Try some software, such as gps viewer, to indicate the available com.

okay.. thanks.. will try now

sorted!!
I've found out how to fix this, but I had to buy GPSDash to do it (you may not if you can get a free version):
To get XDA to pair with BT77 via bluetooth -
1. use XDA bluetooth settings to set "BT GPS" to use COM7 - the BT77 will not pair by doing this;
2. install GPSDash2 (I did it by copying CAB file to memory card touching it with stylus in File Explorer or Total Commander 2 or and change settings of GPSDash to use COM7 (this is a handy app, but it's really
there to enable TomTom to find BT77 - not sure HOW it works, but who cares!!);
3. Run TomTom and configure GPS settings to use "Other GPS" and COM0;
4. find navigator.cfg (installed in \Program Files\Navigator) and copy it to PC;
5. using Ultraedit (hex editor),change 0 in "COM0" to 7 and then overwrite navigator.cfg on phone with
new version;
6. Run TomTom - it should pair with the BT77
Like I said, I bought a copy of GPSDash for a few quid - it's a nice little app to have for SatNav anyway, but you might be able to get a trial version or something - you don't have to run it or have it sat in memory for the GPS to pair, but it being there makes all the difference!!
Hope this sorts it for you
D

i, as an electronics engineer, have experienced that if anything can go wrong it will go wrong. thats exactly what happened with my installation of ttn5 n pairing of bt77.
now i can proudly say that i have done it and its working fine except for the POIs which i deleted myself. anyway, while pairing the bt77, i just chose factory reset for ttn5 and it detected the device automatically. but i think the Bluetooth tools are really handy by thus german dude. i havent tried but i think he will answer questions in english, supposedly.
i think i will pass on my knowledge to others so .... ask! 8)
n yea.. thanks to tomtom, i hope i never get lost again :lol:

still cant get it
i have followed instructions above but still no luck
i have gpsdash2 working great but tom tom wil still not pick up my bluetooth gps....
PLEASE HELP!!!

whats do i need for sat nav on charmer

apologies for the noob question, ive searched but cant seem to find the answer so ill keep it quick and simple :
what do i need to have sat nav on my charmer i.e. hardware ? software ? subscription ?
help much appreciated

You'll need software like Tomtom with a reciever. I'm not sure if the charmer is capable of a wired reciever but for sure a bt reciever will work.

Hi,
Try to find out if your provider offers an online-service like t-mobile navigate in Germany.
I do not need certain software (costs €€€, needs to be upgraded, needs a card inserted) but I have to pay 2 € per route (all over Europe) plus GPRS-charges.
Bluetooth GPS Mouse with Sirf III is highly recommended. I have a Leadtek GPS mouse (sold as Blue Kit) and this is working fine.
CU - Anna

i have the bundled copliot package from tmob, you can buy it yourself with the BT gps reciever for approx £180 from http://www.clove.co.uk/products/products.asp?strAreaNo=400_5_4&intElement=25224
in the UK
or tomtom with BT gps reciever for approx £150 from http://www.pdamods.com/products.asp?cat=104
personally i prefer the accuracy of the CP maps (supplied by navteq) to the pretty bells and whistles of TT
for pocket gps advice, visit www.pocketgpsworld.com they do a speed camera database as well, so you know where the accident blackspots are :wink:

Here a list of questions/answers:
1. You DEFINITELY have to find an appropriate GPS receiver. BT does not work sometimes properly because of the "Microsoft-BT-Stack" installed on the MDAc II which means "I send sometimes and sometimes not" Be careful when choosing the right device.
2. How often do you need advice for routing? Twice a month? 5 times a day? (2/mths=online, 5/day=card)
3. If you prefer a card (GPB 150!!!) be aware of updating costs. You have to buy new cards for countries outside yours... And: Every year???
4. To find the right SW test reports on the Internet are very helpful. But be aware of the slow processor of our device - colourful 3-D-maps will slow down the system dramatically.
5. There is also a service called "TMC" - Traffic Message channel - which is provided by the radio stations. This means that you are able to avoid traffic jams. Your device should be able to receive this, it will be more interesting for inbuild radio/navigation-systems ... I have not done much recherche on this - but my first choice was the online service - might be they will be able to update routes in this manner.
6. - off topic: Here in Hamburg we have a street where the one-way-direction is changed twice a day - as I remember: at 4 pm outwards until 6 am (?) and vice versa. As I was told this is the only street in D where this happens - I will try that soon and report.
Have a nice evening
Anna
P.S.: Hi jonajuna - nice to see you again

regards traffic updates, forgot to say that alk europe (copilot people) do 2 years free subscription to traffic master live with their complete packages (bt gps and software/maps on sd card).
i have never had connection probs with the CP supplied BTGPS3 reciever AS LONG as you remember to switch on the reciever before enabling BT on your mdac2 (once youve run through pairing the devices within the CP UI
i also succesfully use memorymap with the CP reciever for satnav when on foot in the hills which did take a bit of fiddling to set up the BT to go through a virtual serial port, but once done, equally as reliable)
hi back at you anna
edit: oops my bad, i just read that the 2 years traffic subs are only for those that get CP6 bundled with a new Tmob ppc or smartfone

In Australia I've been sucessfulling using Destinator software ware with a GlobalSat BT338 GPS reciever on the imate JAM/XDA Mini.
Connected up fine, along with a Jabra BT headset at the same time.

Also in Australia using Tom Tom 5.21 and Holux GR 232 with no problems.

O2 XDA Mini S, TOMTOM 5.21 WM5 - Handsfree disconnects

Hello All,
I have today noticed a problem with my XDA Mini S following the installation of TT 5.21 - Before the software was installed the phone would pair and remain connected with my Vauxhall, factory fit, bluetooth carkit. Calls could me made and received, phonebook info would sync with no problems - all 600 entries!
Following the installation of TT5.21 the phone will now disconnect after 15-20 seconds from the carkit unless TT is running with an active route and the TT Traffic updates enabled!!!
Trying to make a call without TT running means that it only presents on the phone and does not go though to the car kit. Even with tomtom running, unless you have a route planned and TT traffic active then it will still disconnect from the carkit...
I have posted a question to tomtom technical support regarding this and will also try O2 tomorrow to see if they have seen this before...
Anybody else seen anything like this?
Andy. :?

Silly question - is the bluetooth on constantly on the Mini S? If not you need to do this.
TomTom switches bluetooth on automatically if it isn't on already, if you have a BT receiver selected, which I assume you have.

Its not a silly question - I thought that this was the problem to start with but even with Tomtom running and talking to the GPS receiver, it still disconnects from the car kit unless tomtom traffic is active and you have an active route... :? :?
No updates from TT Support yet :roll: - i'll post when I receive something.

Tomtom support came back today with the following response - reading it, it is obvious that they have not understood the problem...I have written back to them pointing out the fact that it also disconnects even when Tomtom isn't running - Only way to get it to work is to have tomtom traffic running - maybe something in that... ;-)
Since we do not support the usage of third-party carkits (Bluetooth or wired/serial), we are only able to offer a technical theory as to your problem.
As your carkit is connected with a (virtual) Bluetooth serial connection, there is most likely an internal conflict with regards to the serial connection. PDA's support multiple Bluetooth profiles (methods of connecting), but typically bind the serial port to one device. Seeing this, the most likely culprit is the fact that the PDA keeps on switching focus between the two devices that use the serial port: Your BT GPS-receiver and the BT Carkit. When Navigator 5 is running, it pre-empts the serial port connection for the GPS-receiver, which forces the connection to stabilise.
Though we cannot offer you a solution to your problem, please try changing the settings of your BT Serial connection (removing the Authentication and Encryption options).
Kind regards,
The TomTom Customer Support Team

TomTom 6 with BT Rikaline 6033 GPS

I would appreciate any help offered,
I have searched the threads but have not found much applicable
My problem is that I cannot get My Universal to talk consistantly to the Rikaline 6033 GPS the BT link will not stay up.
I am using a T-Mobile Universal with the excelent
JASJAR_WWE_19096_19505_11300_AKU_3_2_ship Rom
The only way I have found of getting the GPS to talk to the Universal BT
is to install "Virtual Earth Mobile",
get it to pair with the Rikaline GPS
and then run TOMTOM 6
TT 6 will then recognise the GPS on COM0
Every time I switch it off and back on I loose the conection and have to go through the whole rigmarole to get it to go again.
I have tried opening the other comms with WM5GPSfix but it doesn't seem to help
If someone has managed it and can let me know I would be very grateful
TIA
A side issue,
What is the reason that the first connection with AS 4.2 takes so long?
Thanks