i guys,
could any one confirm if htc wizard supports UMTS or not and also 3g simcards.
thanks
nope sorry
it is not a 3g phone and does not support UMTS ...BUT yes it will work on a 3g simcard..i have one
just as rockin figs said, it will work with a 3g/UMTS sim card, but you will not be able to access 3G/UMTS data speeds. I'm using a 3g/UMTS simcard now but can only do edge data speeds.
Im in New york city, when im in manhatten i get the U for my data connection. But when i get back to brooklyn it goes back to the G. From what i understand the 3g network didnt reach brooklyn as yet (even though its over the river) But my real concern is the G. I was reading the getting started guide and there is a E for edge. but im not even getting the E. I know there is edge because i had the 8125 and edge worked fine. Is there some sort of settings i have to input to have it default back to edge instead of regular gprs?
rzanology said:
Im in New york city, when im in manhatten i get the U for my data connection. But when i get back to brooklyn it goes back to the G. From what i understand the 3g network didnt reach brooklyn as yet (even though its over the river) But my real concern is the G. I was reading the getting started guide and there is a E for edge. but im not even getting the E. I know there is edge because i had the 8125 and edge worked fine. Is there some sort of settings i have to input to have it default back to edge instead of regular gprs?
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They way that the 8525 is set up is that there is only 2 icons U for UMTS and HSPDA and G for GPRS and EDGE. As far as I know from selling Cingular there are very few areas left that use GPRS.
The guide's wrong ... Cingular messed it up .. there's on U and G on the TyTN / 8525 ...
- U for UMTS
- G for GSM/GPRS/Edge ..
Some are folks on HoFo thought the same .. but check out your speeds using dslreports.com/mspeed ..
its saying 171 kbit/sec. i guess the edge is working right?
171 KBit/s is definitely EDGE.
The TyTN supports GPRS class 10, which means the maximum downlink bandwith with GPRS amounts to 48 KBit/s (4+1 scheme).
im able to grab U settings.. but only 2 bars
I'm about to give cingular customer service a call and *****.. maybe i can get some credit
yp .. 171 is Edge ...
GPRS is only 50kbps or so .. and 3G 500Kbps and above ..
Yze said:
im able to grab U settings.. but only 2 bars
I'm about to give cingular customer service a call and *****.. maybe i can get some credit
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According to the network engineers the 2 bars on UMTS is normal. I called the one in our area because when it was first turned on I had 4 with UMTS and then it has dropped to a steady 2 bars UMTS.
gravejoker said:
The guide's wrong ... Cingular messed it up .. there's on U and G on the TyTN / 8525 ...
- U for UMTS
- G for GSM/GPRS/Edge ..
Some are folks on HoFo thought the same .. but check out your speeds using dslreports.com/mspeed ..
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UMTS is 3G? What is UMTS vs GPRS and Edge?
DeniaL said:
UMTS is 3G? What is UMTS vs GPRS and Edge?
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UMTS is 3G, acutally it's the first official 3G standard, as FOMA's standard was a rather proprietary development.
EDGE is 2.75G and GPRS 2.5G.
Have a look at this table, I found at Wikipedia:
2G
GSM
iDEN
D-AMPS
IS-95/cdmaOne
PDC
CSD
PHS
2.5G
GPRS
HSCSD
WiDEN
2.75G
CDMA2000 1xRTT/IS-2000
EDGE (EGPRS)
3G
W-CDMA
UMTS (3GSM)
FOMA
TD-CDMA/UMTS-TDD
1xEV-DO/IS-856
TD-SCDMA
GAN/UMA
3.5G
HSDPA
3.75G
HSUPA
HSOPA
4G
Frequency bands
SMR
Cellular
PCS
IN LAYMAN LANGUAGE:
UMTS is the first 3G standard, based on WCDMA technology ... you need additional device hardware for it and it's upto 300kbps .. HSDPA (High-Speed Downlink Packet Access) is a software upgrade to UMTS increasing it's speed to 1.8Mbps and above theoratically upto 20Mbps (I think) ... anything above that like HSUPA is not commercially implemented .. atleast in the US.
Cingular's running UMTS/HSDPA right now for it's 3G network .. with speeds ranging from 400-700 kbps (officially) and 1Mbps (un-officially)
do i need software to have my hsdpa work when i have utms service? or will it work by itself?
It's provided by the carrier or your device manufacturer ... very low-level ROM stuff ..
Check out http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Hermes_Utils ("SetHSPA") for information, howto enable HSDPA.
Most of 8525s/TyTNs are now shipping with HSDPA enabled already .. that utility was supposed to enable HSDPA on some very early ver TyTNs. ..
Also, your carrier should support HSDPA ...
Not trying to start any problems with my first posting but, The 3G icon on my touch hd has change a few times during since I purchased it, Does anyone know if this has been caused by any changes with EDGE.
What do you mean by has changed a few times? You never got 3G in New York did you?
The 850mhz bandwidth was converted from 2G to 3G. http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=2195
"AT&T is apparently changing the 2G and EDGE band, from its current 850Mhz to the weaker 1900Mhz. What that means, is that devices without 3G capabilities, like the original iPhone, will have to cope with the reduced coverage that the new 1900Mhz band has. In the other hand, devices supporting 3G networks like the AT&T Fuze, Tilt, Epix etc, will only benefit from this upgrade, as the 850Mhz band provides much better coverage, especially indoors."
Are you really getting a 3G signal in NYC? If that's the case I'm buying one
My Edge (E)icon has turned to G on about 20 occasions since purchase two week ago.Its not a steady G but will last about two minutes and then goes back to E
Interesting that you posted this. I am using my THD in NYC and NJ areas with T-Mobile USA. I have also noticed that the "E" icon on my THD had changed to "G" at some areas in NYC. But I have not noticed any difference in the data speed.
I just thought that my phone is able to acknowledge the T-Mobile 3G signal, but does not have to facility to access it. I do not know the technicalities behind it.
Isn't the "G" icon for a slower connection than EDGE? i.e. GPRS
yes!!!! now we have firm confirmation that touch hd is capable of 1G and 2G (EDGE)
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yes!!!! now we have firm confirmation that touch hd is capable of 1G and 2G (EDGE)
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That is fricken HILARIOUS...!!!
bugsykoosh said:
The 850mhz bandwidth was converted from 2G to 3G. http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=2195
"AT&T is apparently changing the 2G and EDGE band, from its current 850Mhz to the weaker 1900Mhz. What that means, is that devices without 3G capabilities, like the original iPhone, will have to cope with the reduced coverage that the new 1900Mhz band has. In the other hand, devices supporting 3G networks like the AT&T Fuze, Tilt, Epix etc, will only benefit from this upgrade, as the 850Mhz band provides much better coverage, especially indoors."
Are you really getting a 3G signal in NYC? If that's the case I'm buying one
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What this means is that us in the usa better hope that we can enable 3G on the HD soon.
ya. even if tmobile does require both bands, one for down and one for up, it'd be nice if only 1 workded (down) and we were able to at least be able to DL quickly or something. any speed boost is better than none
Just to throw it out there:
Don't know if it is 3G but my "E" changed to "G" on few occasions, for few minutes here in LA, CA (T-mobile). I didn't sample the connection speed, however; thus, wasn't able to tell any difference with the download speed. Edge is good enough for my usage, tbh.
--cheers
aabye said:
Just to throw it out there:
Don't know if it is 3G but my "E" changed to "G" on few occasions, for few minutes here in LA, CA (T-mobile). I didn't sample the connection speed, however; thus, wasn't able to tell any difference with the download speed. Edge is good enough for my usage, tbh.--cheers
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G = gprs 1G which is not 3G and it's slower than Edge 2G....
When I look at the G settings
Its says GPRS,3G
aabye said:
Just to throw it out there:
Don't know if it is 3G but my "E" changed to "G" on few occasions, for few minutes here in LA, CA (T-mobile). I didn't sample the connection speed, however; thus, wasn't able to tell any difference with the download speed. Edge is good enough for my usage, tbh.
--cheers
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You guys...these are the icons you'd expect to see on your HD for GSM coverage in order of speed:
G - Normal GPRS data
E - Enhanced Edge data
3G - 3G coverage
H - HSDPA, 3G turns to HSDPA on some networks while downloading data then switches back to 3G a few seconds after data use.
If you are seeing a G on the top bar, it means the HD is in the slowest GPRS data rate mode.
Thanks for the clarification, guys; I thought so. Oh well, no need for wishful thinking, then. 2G or not 2G...blah, curse you Hamlet!
--'night
Matterhorn said:
You guys...these are the icons you'd expect to see on your HD for GSM coverage in order of speed:
G - Normal GPRS data
E - Enhanced Edge data
3G - 3G coverage
H - HSDPA, 3G turns to HSDPA on some networks while downloading data then switches back to 3G a few seconds after data use.
If you are seeing a G on the top bar, it means the HD is in the slowest GPRS data rate mode.
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max speed technically...(at least in Germany)
GSM:
G --> 56kps (0,05MBit/s)
E --> 256kps (0,25Mbit/s)
UMTS:
3G --> 384kps (0,38Mbit/s)
HSDPA --> 3,6; 7,2; 14.4 Mbit!!! (depending on operator) --> sometimes called 3.5G
LTE (long term evolution) --> 4G (Generation)
coming in 2010 from 25Mbit onwards
using opera, just for surfing, i think EDGE is enough. (without using flash in opera)
regards
irm
p.s. @galaxys: the old analog network is to be considered as the 1st generation; GSM (incl. EDGE) is the 2nd generation. EDGE is some sort of speed upgrade like HSDPA for UMTS.
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Blacqsmith said:
Its says GPRS,3G
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Your saying that it said 3G on the top of your screen not just G? If so can you post what rom/radio you are using?
You can find this in settings/system/device information
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Its says GPRS,3G
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Is this on the top bar or is it the popup network setting bubble? Take a pic for us...
There is a setting, probably hidden and changable via Advance Config and/or HD Tweak where if a network has 3G capability then it shows "<network> - 3G" (I disabled it via one of them)
This is regardless of whether your phone itself can handle the 3G network, which in the case of Touch HD it cannot as the device does not support the frequency of US 3G bands
Mine shows "O2 UK - 3G" for this reason regardless of whether it says G, E, 3G or H at the top of the screen.
Additionally, the "generation" things are as follows:
- - GSM - 1G
G - GPRS - 2G
E - EDGE - 2.5G
3G - UMTS - 3G (surprise surprise)
H - HSDPA - 3.5G
Hi, I recently turned off HSDPA/HSUPA in Advanced Networks settings. Now my phone displays 3G most of the time. What speed am I really receiving with 3G being displayed. Running DSL Mspeed I seem to get 60-95kbs with the 3G displayed. Is it really Edge performance with 3G being sent by AT&T? I did this change to see if battery performance will increase.
speed really depends from your location and what your provider allows/provides.
anyways, with 3G I think the max you can get is round 2mbps, going up to 7.2mbps if you switch on hsdpa.
but as I say, all depends of your provider, in mine, I get more speed with hsdpa enabled
check the speed with H and compare yourself.
if you wana save battery switch to G/E and be sure to disable data conection once you're done using it
Thanks, I was really trying to find out if 3G was just a push by AT&T and not by a provider. Guess I can try a t mobile SIM and see what they push, since this phone does not have 1700 - 2100 combo.
With H enabled for both ( up/down ) its 1100kbs minimum.
With H disabled it's 95 max on 3G.
I don't see E too much but it;s about the same as 3G. Is there a cap/limit for E speeds?
I can't test this on tmobile since that SIM account does not have Internet access.
i have a x1i on tmobile. what site are u checking speeds at? i was thinking about switching to att for 3g but if the speeds are not that much faster i'll just stick to tmobile.
With ATT in Los Angeles area.
X1i
E: Max Appx 300-400k/s
H: Max Appx 600-1300k/s
Hey - so, I searched for an answer to this, but couldn't find one.
Is there a way to determine whether you're on HSDPA or UMTS on the Nexus One? T-Mobile USA is supposedly all 7.2Mbps HSDPA, right? I'm getting download speeds of max 700kbps in Minneapolis, MN.
Most 3G towers havent had their backhaul upgraded to support faster speeds I only geet 700-1000kbps down at my house, but in downtown DC i was getting 3mbps+
Just go to settings, about phone, status and it says UMTS or HSDPA.
In CM-5.0 beta it shows H for HSDPA and 3G for UMTS.
Ah, thanks for explaining that. I can see that I'm getting HSDPA if I'm in the middle or just after a big download - seems to switch to it temporarily as needed. Or maybe I'm imagining it.
If you go to Settings>About Phone>Status, it will either say Edge, UMTS, or HSDPA, depending on what you're connected to. I usually get UMTS when I get 3G, although I've seen HSDPA a couple times as well.