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8525 no Utms or Edge?

Im in New york city, when im in manhatten i get the U for my data connection. But when i get back to brooklyn it goes back to the G. From what i understand the 3g network didnt reach brooklyn as yet (even though its over the river) But my real concern is the G. I was reading the getting started guide and there is a E for edge. but im not even getting the E. I know there is edge because i had the 8125 and edge worked fine. Is there some sort of settings i have to input to have it default back to edge instead of regular gprs?

rzanology said:
Im in New york city, when im in manhatten i get the U for my data connection. But when i get back to brooklyn it goes back to the G. From what i understand the 3g network didnt reach brooklyn as yet (even though its over the river) But my real concern is the G. I was reading the getting started guide and there is a E for edge. but im not even getting the E. I know there is edge because i had the 8125 and edge worked fine. Is there some sort of settings i have to input to have it default back to edge instead of regular gprs?
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They way that the 8525 is set up is that there is only 2 icons U for UMTS and HSPDA and G for GPRS and EDGE. As far as I know from selling Cingular there are very few areas left that use GPRS.

The guide's wrong ... Cingular messed it up .. there's on U and G on the TyTN / 8525 ...
- U for UMTS
- G for GSM/GPRS/Edge ..
Some are folks on HoFo thought the same .. but check out your speeds using dslreports.com/mspeed ..

its saying 171 kbit/sec. i guess the edge is working right?

171 KBit/s is definitely EDGE.
The TyTN supports GPRS class 10, which means the maximum downlink bandwith with GPRS amounts to 48 KBit/s (4+1 scheme).

im able to grab U settings.. but only 2 bars
I'm about to give cingular customer service a call and *****.. maybe i can get some credit

yp .. 171 is Edge ...
GPRS is only 50kbps or so .. and 3G 500Kbps and above ..

Yze said:
im able to grab U settings.. but only 2 bars
I'm about to give cingular customer service a call and *****.. maybe i can get some credit
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According to the network engineers the 2 bars on UMTS is normal. I called the one in our area because when it was first turned on I had 4 with UMTS and then it has dropped to a steady 2 bars UMTS.

gravejoker said:
The guide's wrong ... Cingular messed it up .. there's on U and G on the TyTN / 8525 ...
- U for UMTS
- G for GSM/GPRS/Edge ..
Some are folks on HoFo thought the same .. but check out your speeds using dslreports.com/mspeed ..
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UMTS is 3G? What is UMTS vs GPRS and Edge?

DeniaL said:
UMTS is 3G? What is UMTS vs GPRS and Edge?
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UMTS is 3G, acutally it's the first official 3G standard, as FOMA's standard was a rather proprietary development.
EDGE is 2.75G and GPRS 2.5G.
Have a look at this table, I found at Wikipedia:
2G
GSM
iDEN
D-AMPS
IS-95/cdmaOne
PDC
CSD
PHS
2.5G
GPRS
HSCSD
WiDEN
2.75G
CDMA2000 1xRTT/IS-2000
EDGE (EGPRS)
3G
W-CDMA
UMTS (3GSM)
FOMA
TD-CDMA/UMTS-TDD
1xEV-DO/IS-856
TD-SCDMA
GAN/UMA
3.5G
HSDPA
3.75G
HSUPA
HSOPA
4G
Frequency bands
SMR
Cellular
PCS

IN LAYMAN LANGUAGE:
UMTS is the first 3G standard, based on WCDMA technology ... you need additional device hardware for it and it's upto 300kbps .. HSDPA (High-Speed Downlink Packet Access) is a software upgrade to UMTS increasing it's speed to 1.8Mbps and above theoratically upto 20Mbps (I think) ... anything above that like HSUPA is not commercially implemented .. atleast in the US.
Cingular's running UMTS/HSDPA right now for it's 3G network .. with speeds ranging from 400-700 kbps (officially) and 1Mbps (un-officially)

do i need software to have my hsdpa work when i have utms service? or will it work by itself?

It's provided by the carrier or your device manufacturer ... very low-level ROM stuff ..

Check out http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Hermes_Utils ("SetHSPA") for information, howto enable HSDPA.

Most of 8525s/TyTNs are now shipping with HSDPA enabled already .. that utility was supposed to enable HSDPA on some very early ver TyTNs. ..
Also, your carrier should support HSDPA ...

HSDPA or 3G speed?... I go crazy!

I have a question regarding the HSDPA on the TMOUS HD2. I used a Diamond back in Germany and when I was in an area with HSDPA reception it was indicated by a "H" in the taskbar. Now I am using the HD2 in Baltimore. From what I`ve read there should be HSDPA available arround here (especially since I am in Downtown B`more) however I only get the 3G symbol in the taskbar. I have also been in DC over the weekend and it was the same only 3G. But I am quite sure they have the HSDPA network available there. Does that mean my HD2 doesn`t get the faster HSDPA speeds at all?
I did a speed test using mobilespeedtest.com and IE.8 teethered WiFi connection on a Windows 7 system. My results in Downtown Baltimore are: "Your speed: 1428.571 Kbps Your latency: 0.561 seconds Transferred 100 KB in 0.56 seconds". With a 4 bars 3G symbol instead of a H in the taskbar. Aren't this speeds you would expect on a HSDPA network? I am running the original stock ROM on my HD2 by the way.

I am pretty sure most carriers use 3G with hspda enhancements, aka 3.5g, which would allow the speed above 3G's cap (364 kbps). As far as why your phone states H instead of 3G, it is dependent on the phone and icon set your phone uses. Some roms will show 3G and others will show H.

where do you find the HSPDA settings? I know they were somewhere but I can't find them!

I think the 3G/HSDPA is weird on the HD2. I can sit in one place and watch it change from Edge to HSDPA without moving the phone (and sometimes a random 3g will show up).
It definitely sounds like you have HSDPA since those are some nice speeds. Mine says 'H' and I get around 780kbps, so you're double that. As long as you have a fast data transfer (and you do) I wouldn't worry =)

Svegetto said:
I think the 3G/HSDPA is weird on the HD2. I can sit in one place and watch it change from Edge to HSDPA without moving the phone (and sometimes a random 3g will show up).
It definitely sounds like you have HSDPA since those are some nice speeds. Mine says 'H' and I get around 780kbps, so you're double that. As long as you have a fast data transfer (and you do) I wouldn't worry =)
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I was in Las Vegas Convention recently, and witnessed the power of HSPA+.
HOLY CRAP. Why can't we have that speed ALL over the world?

I was always under the impression 3G was better than H. Perhaps it's a good thing then that mine's usually H then! Where does E fit into the speed scale?

E = Edge. the slowest.

actually GPRS is even slower than EDGE
if i remember EDGE = 500kbps
GPRS = 360kbps

GRPS = 2G
EDGE = 2.5G (sorta)
3G = 3G
H (HSDPA) = 3.5G

3g htc hd 2

At the top were you see signal strength I nebver seem to have 3G enabled and internet seems to be slugish I sometimes have the Letters G,H,U I don't know what these mean is there a way I can have 3G all the time?
Thanks. Stock Rom!

as far as i know h and u stand for 3g not sure tho

djteotancolis said:
as far as i know h and u stand for 3g not sure tho
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I don't think it does its so slow. I want to know how to enable 3G permanently.

were you getting faster 3g on other phones? and i think there is a cab but u may have to search for that

As far as I know (In my area) H is for HSDPA, which is an enhanced form of 3G. So it seems that you are getting 3G data... While G stands for GPRS, which is 2G.
No idea what the U would stand for though.
Also, if you have 3G enabled to auto-connect (I presume it is, if it's switching between the connections,) then your phone should just pick up a 3G signal whenever it can find it. If 3G is patchy in your area, you won't be able to get it all the time.

theblake said:
As far as I know (In my area) H is for HSDPA, which is an enhanced form of 3G. So it seems that you are getting 3G data... While G stands for GPRS, which is 2G.
No idea what the U would stand for though.
Also, if you have 3G enabled to auto-connect (I presume it is, if it's switching between the connections,) then your phone should just pick up a 3G signal whenever it can find it. If 3G is patchy in your area, you won't be able to get it all the time.
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Right I see when I'm on HSDPA it is still very sluggish until I seem to hit 3G and its like wi-fi, so my 3G is already connected just needs a place with good signal when I'm on way to college on the bus I seem so find a good area with 3G. Thanks for your help.

H = 3G
G = 1G (G is much much slower than E=Edge=2G)
If you want to have 3G only enabled go to Settings>Wireless Controlls>Phone>Band>WCDMA (Note that if you're in an area with no 3g, you will have zero signal and the phone will not switch to edge or gprs).

In the right order:
G=1G: 'Global System for Mobile communication', or GSM, basic mobile network.. can be used only for SMS and Phone calls
E=2G: EDGE (or 'Enhanced Data Rates for GSM Evolution'), basicly GSM and GPRS (data transfer) combines..it allowes for speeds over the mobile network up to 9 600 bit/s
U=3G: 'Universal Mobile Telecommunications System', or 'UMTS' up to 2 Mbit/s data transfer on stationary devices and up to 384 kbit/s on mobile devices. About 40 times faster than GSM. This enables you to transfer data, such as images and be able to transfer data during a phonecall.. like sending a MMS or using Video Calls.
H=3G: 'High Speed Downlink Packet Access', or HSDPA, it allows for speeds up to 14,4 Mb/s though it is normally (at least in scandinavia) offered commercially in lower speeds, up to 7,2 Mb/s
Note: Because the most operators use high frequency to transmit '3G' signals, wich can cause your signal to be lower if you're inside (house or whatever, not outside), some operators though, transmit on a lower frequency, though then it's called CMDA, wich is also a form of '3G'

Had the same problem with a Telstra HD2 on Optus. Here's what you need to do. Settings -> Wireless controls -> phone -> Band -> Select auto for both. That should do it.

How do I toggle between 3G and HSDPA?

Have searched the entire forum for this to no avail. I want to disable HSDPA and only enable 3G. This was a straightforward process on my SGS. Assistance appreciated.
/h2

HSDPA is the only 3G standard that the phone supports, as far as I understand. So as far as the Desire HD goes, they're the same thing.

I am on t-mobile in th UK. My dhd switches between showing a G or H on the top line. If I go into settings, about phone, network, mobile network type. It shows either gprs, udms or hsdpa depending on signal type available. The phone supports edge too and can show an E on the too line but T-Mobile uk don't appear to support this.
Not sure how you could limit it but t-mobile have done this for some,contracts as reports elsewhere of download speeds capped at 384kbs I.e. max rate for 3G rather than the 2mbs+ I have seen on mine. Seems to be,contracts bought through resellers that don't include data and they use the free booster to provide the data element.
Hth

I am on T-Mob in the UK too. I get either G (GPRS) 3g (3g) or H (HSDPA) not seen an E yet and I have had it since October.
Mine switched between 3G and H on its own accord, there is no toggle that I know, think it depends on where you are and the mast you are connected to at the time?

noisy_lightning said:
I am on T-Mob in the UK too. I get either G (GPRS) 3g (3g) or H (HSDPA) not seen an E yet and I have had it since October.
Mine switched between 3G and H on its own accord, there is no toggle that I know, think it depends on where you are and the mast you are connected to at the time?
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I get E every now and then but mostly when my phone switches from orange to the T-Mobile network.
Sent from my Desire HD using XDA App

It depends on where you are and the signal strength your getting, why you would want to disable HSDPA is beyond me, it is the fastest you can get on your desire hd, E being the slowest (edge) then G, 3G, then H.
Why would you want to make your device slower?
Very weird, but anyway, as far as i know you can only toggle between 2g and 3g which will incorporate HSDPA as well.
Hope this helps.

dladz said:
It depends on where you are and the signal strength your getting, why you would want to disable HSDPA is beyond me, it is the fastest you can get on your desire hd, E being the slowest (edge) then G, 3G, then H.
Why would you want to make your device slower?
Very weird, but anyway, as far as i know you can only toggle between 2g and 3g which will incorporate HSDPA as well.
Hope this helps.
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HSDPA consumes more battery. My SGS used to support Edge, 3G and HSDPA too with an option to disable HSDPA and and allow 3G and Edge only.
Thanks for all your replies guys.
/h2

Download Advanced Settings app, go into phone info and there are some options there. Can't remember which is which though, there is a thread in here somewhere about the settings
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E is much slower than 3G

ww2916269 said:
E is much slower than 3G
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Who was telling otherwise?

For Using only 3G or HSPA
Settings->Wireless &Networks->Mobile Networks->Network Mode->select WCDMA only.
Here according to your preference change between UTMS(or WCDMA) or GSM(2G).
Also to clarify speeds
G<E<3G<H.

[Q] US / NL (Europe) 3G network question.

Just a bit of a curious observation. Coming from the US almost 2 years ago, while connected to a HSPA network, my android would always display the 'H' icon, whether in a state of active download and/or uploading or not. Occasionally, it would fall back to an E logo for the EDGE network within buildings, etc.
Now, here in NL, over the course of 2 years I've subscribed to two different providers and both exhibited similar behavior (KPN and Vodafone for you Dutchies). Within good reach of the towers, my phone shows the 3G icon, but when actively downloading or uploading something, as exhibited by the up and down arrows, the H icon is immediately displayed, and when active DL/UL stops, the H icon changes back to the 3G icon.
Is this constant switching a network-capacity measure taken by the providers here to limit the number of devices communicating with the faster (H/H+) equipment?

It may depend on the type of UTMS. It may be DC-HSPA down to another form. It could just be your ROM too.
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Depends on the network you use. If your network supports UMTS (displayed 3G in android) then your connection falls back on UMTS to save power. If the bandwidth is needed it will ramp up to HS(D)PA (H) or HSPA+ (H+). Some networks just have HSDPA and HSPA+ and no UMTS, therefore they will jump between H and H+ depending on network load.

androo45 said:
Depends on the network you use. If your network supports UMTS (displayed 3G in android) then your connection falls back on UMTS to save power. If the bandwidth is needed it will ramp up to HS(D)PA (H) or HSPA+ (H+). Some networks just have HSDPA and HSPA+ and no UMTS, therefore they will jump between H and H+ depending on network load.
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Are you sure about this? First, I thought HSDPA and HSPA+ are UMTS enhancements, and at their core, are still UMTS-based. Secondly, I've not seen it indicated that H or H+ would require more power than UMTS which has not been enhanced or upgraded to the newer UMTS implementations.

floepie said:
Are you sure about this? First, I thought HSDPA and HSPA+ are UMTS enhancements, and at their core, are still UMTS-based. Secondly, I've not seen it indicated that H or H+ would require more power than UMTS which has not been enhanced or upgraded to the newer UMTS implementations.
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At the core it is still UMTS. Hence it jumps a millisecond to UMTS if it is switching between HSPA+ and HSDPA. The UMTS 'core' is there, but not made available by my carrier to be used by my phone.
The UMTS/HSDPA power draw comparison is my experience: on HSPDA data i lose about 35-40% a night (=8h) while I do maybe 10-15% on UMTS (other provider)