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universal dead?? HELP red light!!!!

Hello, earlier today i felt the device was very warm, i tried to switch it on but it dint respond, even to a reset. when i plugged it into the wall charger all i get is the right hand LED glowing red.
HELP!!!!!!!!!!! how do i hard reset it or get it to work again!!!!!!
i would call in orange care, but im out of the country and i really need the pda functionality!!!!

Unlucky. The 'red' light on most HTC devices indicates a serious power problem, usually it means that the battery is dead (as opposed to simply having run out of charge) or very close to death. You can probably get it working again with a new battery, if the incident hasn't damaged any other components.

i had this with my JJ after I accidently let the battery run down, I plugged it in and led went red and unit would not power on, left it plugged in started scanning the manual and web about a red led, 30 mins later, JJ just switched on and all fine.
It's worth a go and ive not had problem since

i dont think that was the case...
i have a feeling it might have been a short or something, because the unit was SERIOUSLY hot.....
nothing i did worked....until............
final time before giving up, the light was still red etc.
i figured what the heck, either way its dead and im going to get a replacement.
i then gave it fairly hard thump
the red light disappeared. i thought to myself, oh crap, i've really killed it.
then i reset it............. IT BOOTED UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
and all my info still intact......brilliant.....im still going to try and get a replacement when i get back, but thank goodness.
and here i was thinking the last computer to respond to physical violence was the old 486'es hehehehehe

afhstingray said:
and here i was thinking the last computer to respond to physical violence was the old 486'es hehehehehe
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Actually, it's called percussive maintenance, "the fine art of whacking a machine till it works"

hehe, i'm an IT technician and it's the first thing i try, especially with Printers.....
They don't teach you that on MSCA courses.....

I would recommend not using the machine too much until you can get a replacement battery if I were you. Lithium batteries will get very very hot (in some cases expand and ignite) if they are dis-charged too far. Most equipment which uses lithium technologies will have a voltage cut-off on the power input. As each cell is a nominal 3.3V-3.6V, this is often at around 3V in order to not discharge the battery too far. I would have hoped that this was a HARDWARE function rather than software. However with what you have described, if the voltage cutout was somehow disabled, then this could explain the problems.
Of the units that I have seen in the past like this, the red LED would describe the battery voltage being too low to safely power the unit (i.e. battery be dead). Generally a couple of minutes charge will bring it up to a safe working value. However, after 30 minutes this certainly should have been enough. On one of my motorola units, the battery has expanded a couple of millimeters as it starts to dissociate. It may be worth you checking to see whether the battery in your universal has distorted in any way.

Hmm the red light comes on mine all the time.
It just means the battery is low and the unit is charging. .
It should turn green when the battery is at or near optimum charge.

no....thats not the red, charging is orangy when i say red i mean PROPER red. battery is not distorted, and to the best of my knowledge the unit had a good charge, im pretty sure it must have been some kind of hardware short, and am going to call orange as soon as im back in the country.
dosent explain though why when i whacked it it started working again. the whack instantly made the light go out :wink:
i did a battery rundown test as soon as i got the unit, and posted the results on the forum, if the cut off was not working, i would have ended up with a red light then.
i dont have the manual with me now, but is there any documentation on the red light?

Found this site which had an online manual:
http://www.rich-michael.com/pdf/User Manuals/050802_Universal_Generic_Manual_English_CDL.pdf
What does the phone say in the Power Tab?
A really useful extract:
13 Notification LED Bi-color LED on the right side: Green and Orange
for GSM/WCDMA standby, SMS message, GSM/
WCDMA network status, notification, battery charging
status.
Bi-color LED on the left side: Blue andGreen for
Bluetooth system notification of powered-up and
ready to transmit radio frequency signal, and Wi-Fi
status.
Couldn't find anything else on the LEDs

Found this site which had an online manual:
http://www.rich-michael.com/pdf/User Manuals/050802_Universal_Generic_Manual_English_CDL.pdf
What does the phone say in the Power Tab?
A really useful extract:
13 Notification LED Bi-color LED on the right side: Green and Orange
for GSM/WCDMA standby, SMS message, GSM/
WCDMA network status, notification, battery charging
status.
Bi-color LED on the left side: Blue andGreen for
Bluetooth system notification of powered-up and
ready to transmit radio frequency signal, and Wi-Fi
status.
Couldn't find anything else on the LEDs

Sorry to drag up this old post.
My friend dropped my phone (Orange SPV C500) a few days ago on to a tiled floor. The phone didn't appear to be broken or faulty at all at the time. I even managed to use TomTom navigator to go to the airport, but for some reason when I looked at it before I went to sleep, the phone was off. I assumed the battery had gone (even though it should have lasted at least another day). I tried to plug in the mains charger, but the LED showed a red light. I left it plugged in while I slept, but it was the same in the morning. The phone won't power on at all. I've read that this normally happens on a flat battery, but I am pretty sure it still had juice for another day.
I brought a new battery, but to no avail, the phone still shows the red light when plugged into the mains. No light at all when plugged via USB to my computer. The phone won't power on at all.
It must have broke something when it was dropped. But I'm confused as to why it took a few hours to take any effect.
I also notice that even without the battery in the phone, the LED will still light up as red when plugged in to the mains.
I've tried whacking the phone now, but nothing. Anyone have any idea whether it can be fixed?

JOEJOETHEJOEY said:
Sorry to drag up this old post.
My friend dropped my phone (Orange SPV C500) a few days ago on to a tiled floor. The phone didn't appear to be broken or faulty at all at the time. I even managed to use TomTom navigator to go to the airport, but for some reason when I looked at it before I went to sleep, the phone was off. I assumed the battery had gone (even though it should have lasted at least another day). I tried to plug in the mains charger, but the LED showed a red light. I left it plugged in while I slept, but it was the same in the morning. The phone won't power on at all. I've read that this normally happens on a flat battery, but I am pretty sure it still had juice for another day.
I brought a new battery, but to no avail, the phone still shows the red light when plugged into the mains. No light at all when plugged via USB to my computer. The phone won't power on at all.
It must have broke something when it was dropped. But I'm confused as to why it took a few hours to take any effect.
I also notice that even without the battery in the phone, the LED will still light up as red when plugged in to the mains.
I've tried whacking the phone now, but nothing. Anyone have any idea whether it can be fixed?
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this is damn scary! Every day more people add on to the "my univ's gone dead after a small drop" community :?
When my univ was brand new, a friend of mine dropped it from a coffee bar table 3 feet high, and i still heave a sigh! Cant believe nothing happened...!
But one thing i guess we all know, its a "drop" away to kiss our device good bye :roll:
hope you get it back up and running m8! look around the forums, there are lots of breakdown-solutions threads...
cheers,
San

nice work afhstingray
do you think it was a baterry problem.
i have often used my battery till tit just ran out, from what i read in the post it seems to be a bad practice. anyway to turn off the phone

i doubt it was a battery problem as i've been using it until now without problems. (i didnt get a replacement as soon as i got back cos im waiting for this unit to get a bit scruffy before i get it replaced)
i had this once on my c500 as well, but taking out the battery for an hour did the trick. so i dont think the problem is related.
i've dropped my universal quite a few times already and im happy to say other than a few annoying dings on the metal plate with the orange logo, its working fine. and 2 of the drops were pretty bad ones too, i thought for sure the screen would die or crack. guess i got lucky and it hit the floor at an angle not too critical

total stab in the dark but maybe a broken connection on charging circuit? that could be why phone was ok then battery died and its now unable to charge?

ViaraiX said:
total stab in the dark but maybe a broken connection on charging circuit? that could be why phone was ok then battery died and its now unable to charge?
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wouldnt it have worked if it was plugged into the AC then?

Well my Exec was dropped onto concrete at the petrol station whilst I was trying to sort out TomTom and fill up my Yamaha R6 bike at the same time :roll:
No problems, just a couple of case marks.
I guess multitasking should be left to the ladies and computers :lol:

steverae said:
hehe, i'm an IT technician and it's the first thing i try, especially with Printers.....
They don't teach you that on MSCA courses.....
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Also explains why Servers are built so solidly.
When you are trying to recover a server at 2am in the morning they need to stand up to all but a sledgehammer :twisted:

TyTN USB charging and lock/overheat incidents....

Hi all,
I recently bought the TyTN to replace a SE P900 and make the move to WM5. This is a really impressive piece of kit and I am following this forum regularly now to make this device really work for me. I use the phone an awful lot during the day so I tend to charge it whenever possible. Whilst I am sat at my desk rather than doing any actual useful work I tend to leave it plugged into the USB cable to synchronise as well as charge.
On 3 occasions now I have come back from the kitchen or wherever and found the device locked up and VERY hot..... When I pull the USB cable out of the TyTN the device is unusable still and a soft reset is required to get it going again. Plugging the USB cable back in resynchs to the PC and no further problems detected. The temperature then slowly goes down to "normal".
I /think/ that on the 1st occasion this happened, the battery life had gone down from around 70% to 30%............... Although on the more recent occasions, i didn't notice any particular drop in battery level.
Does anyone else have any experiences of this kind?
Cheers

I belive i may have had this problem the other night.
I have a vario2, left it to charge over night. Woke up the next day and it had locked up and the battery had dropped to around 40% charge.
Imp

For curiosity...your Tytn's serial number starts with ?
Bye... :lol:

Mine is HT627....

i had the same problems with my tytn HT628.
it was getting pretty hot when charging and really hot when wlan was turned on at the same time.
My replacement unit is a HT633, and gets a little bit warmer during charging, but not as hot as before.
i noticed that the battery, that came with the new unit was a litlle bit different then the one i had before. there is a metalplate on the bottom of the battery. the old one was completly covered with white plastic. anyone else have this kind of battery?

Ah - now that is interesting...
Mine has a completely white plastic covered battery too. I'm just conducting a test - WLAN on and charging via the USB...
Incidentally, I've set it to stay on when charging, and the screen backlight is on permanently.

I left it like that all night and when i got up - guess what!
Locked up TyTN
Wasn't very warm though... but I don't usually leave the WLAN on overnight. I'll keep testing.

I have a vario 2 and my serial starts HT632, my battery is almost all white.
I have a screen alignment problem and its getting swapped on monday.
Imp

2 8125's with problems

First off the people and this board itself is tops in my book!!
Now before anyone says it yes....... I have searched.
PHONE 1 I was in the middle of a phone call and the phone went just shut off. Plugged it into a charger (factory one), no charge light. left it overnight and yet still nothing. Tried the battery in another phone and it worked, charged and behaved properly.
PHONE 2 phone works fine but the backlight stays off all of the time. Tried the board with a different LCD and the same problem occured. Is there a fix for this cause I cannot find it, or does anyone know where this feature is located on the motherboard.
Any help in these matters would be appreciated.
Thanks in advance

it is time to donate to the XDA-developers!

excuse me?! If you are looking for donations this is not the correct way to request it.

He means donate the parts to XDA developers... aka, sell them out because they are broke...
I'm sure he was just busting you since he probably doesn't know how to fix it.

BerettaFreak said:
He means donate the parts to XDA developers... aka, sell them out because they are broke...
I'm sure he was just busting you since he probably doesn't know how to fix it.
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thank you for the clearing that up
update: Phone 1
Left it overnight on the charger, about 3 a.m. saw a light on the ceiling (mid sleep turn) got up and looked at the phone and the screen was white. At 8:30 when I awoke, I looked at the phone and the Cingular splash screen was on. Went to turn on my laptop and "poof" it went blank again.
Someone told me to buy a new battery what do you guys think?
Phone 2 still comes on and the screen is still dim. The screen works tried it with a working phone.
I have this one on Craigslist for parts.

Great News
Phone 1: I FIXED IT!!!!
I cleaned the board with alcohol. disconnected the internal battery for a day then reconnected it back to the board and PRESTO CHANGO THE PHONE IS UP AND RUNNING!!!
Phone 2: The screen is still dim so I will be parting it out.

CHARGING ISSUE - shouldi be worried?

I bought a second hand HD2, however it arrived with a third-party chinese battery. I contacted the seller who apologised and said that battery was a replacement because the original didn't hold a good charge, and he would send the original through the post. The battery however was fully charged so I flashed all the neccessary files and installed NAND Android (my reason for buying it in the first place), however today - the same day it arrived - I noticed that the orange charge light was going off, usually when the phone screen went off. This necessitated plugging the USB lead back in again, and within sometimes less than a minute the same problem would occur. I have checked the battery prongs, reset the the phone, changed USB settings etc and the problem persists.
Just wondered of I should be worried...I am unable to find an identical problem to this on the forums so I'm assuming it's not a ROM issue. I am currently using the Desire port from DFT.
Would a cheap Chinese battery demonstrate this sort of problem?
The seller says he never had an issue of charging the phone.
My next resort is to flash Windows Mobile back on, but I'm at work and a bit anxious so was hoping for someone with some experience to reassure me!
All USB syncing etc works fine...it is literally just charging that's the issue.

Maybe it's your USB that's faulty. I had a faulty usb that would go on and off sometimes too. However I don't see why the battery would affect the LED light, as the battery has to be connected to the phone for it to stay on, and so the battery can't be losing it's connection with the phone randomly, so it's either your usb cord, or the port.
Word of advice, don't let your phone lose power cuz of the faulty charging. I assume you know that MAGLDR doesn't let you charge the phone while off, so a dead battery in our case, is a dead phone. Happened to me once cuz of my usb, luckily there was still a small amount of charge left after i took the battery out and placed it back in.

It's definitely not the cable as I've used an official HTC charger with it which does exactly the same thing. I've also tried with a Samsung MicroUSB charger from my Galaxy S

Maybe it's the usb port then... That's the worst case scenario because you'd have to get the whole motherboard replaced...
However if in winmo you don't experience the problems, then it was just some software problems, so try a different radio and build, and see if they work.
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Or maybe it's the LED that's faulty. (never heard of such a situation but anything is possible) >.>
Does it still charge even if the LED is not orange/on?

Thing is though I can pretty much get it to stay charging if I don't let it lock and the screen go off? Could this still be a problem with the USB port? I'm getting worried now as I don't like the hassle of sending things back through eBay. I'm wondering if the seller bought a spare battery thinking it was just a battery problem and isn't telling the whole story. Foolishly I didn't test the device with Windows Mobile, I just went straight into flashing as I had put Android on my friend's HD2 the other day in exactly the same way...his is even an ex Virgin Mobile phone like this one. Needless to say, he is having no charging issues.

Dude dont worry , the problem is the battery ! i got two chinese battery ones and both cant charge with the phone, i have to use eksternal charger Dont worry the red and orange led flashes constantly when i try to charge it
Just buy a cheap charger from ebay , and buy a oem htc hd2 battery

Hi thanks for your reply. Mine doesn't flash red and orange though: the orange light comes on as normal and the phone reports it as charging, but after a while (seems to be when the phone goes to standby most of the time) the orange light turns off and the charging symbol disappears. If I unplug and replug again the light comes back on for a period. I've not tested thoroughly but I THINK it will stay charging when I leave the phone out of standby with the screen set to stay on for 30 minutes. I really HOPE it's a battery issue but it sounds slightly different to yours as mine does at least charge to a degree. I'm worried there's a blown capacitor somewhere on the logic board that's making the phone charge malfunction but obviously there's no way of testing until I get a new battery.
It concerns me that the seller said he had no charging problems...he must have been able to charge it somehow as the battery was full when it arrived...could I have burnt something out when flashing?!

Mine do charge to about 50 % and then it stops
Im 100 % sure its the battery becouse the battery has a circuitboard inside of it, and thats often messed up considering its made cheap in china . But test it with your friends hd2 original battery You can 2 see if the wet indicatior has been activated
the " white " paper next to the battery poles should be white and not pink, alltso where the skrewholes of the phone that should allso be white just to make sure your phone is not waterdamaget

I don't think flashing could have burnt something out. Overclocking and generating a lot of heat can burn something out though.
Didn't you receive the stock battery? Why not try it with that, and if the problem stilll persists then it might not be the battery. Either way, it will help you to test out the phone with a stock battery.

I tried it again after a few hours and it charged for a fair while before the light went off again.
I don't have the original battery as the seller has yet to mail it to me.
Does anyone else think it's worth me trying out a stock Windows Mobile ROM to see if it works? Might be that Android ROMs are less forgiving of cheap batteries with dodgy circuitry..

UPDATE
Ok so I've flashed Windows Mobile onto the device and wiped Magldr. The phone now alternates between a green and an amber light on the charging indicator. Looks like Windows Mobile won't charge it at all!
Does anyone know what this means?
I've checked for water damage in the areas mentioned and there is no sign.

Well your best bet is to send it in for repairs. But I'd suggest you test the phone out first with a stock battery.

Well I Only bought the phone yesterday so I certainly won't be paying for any repairs.
Got a replacement battery today - a genuine HTC one.
Plugged in, switched on....flashing between amber and green
I have a nagging suspicion this is going to be an eBay refund nightmare.

have you checked that the pins on the phone is not bendt? pins where battery poles connect to phone

problem solved? fingers crossed
OK so as a last resort I flashed radio 2.15 to the device. Seems that this has completely fixed the problem as without even restoring the phone is now charging properly. It seems that a corrupted radio flash had affected the charge somehow....at least I hope so.
The same problem has not come back again today at all.
Might be worth throwing this solution in a problems and solutions section as I haven't found any reference to it on the net and it might fix things for others panicking over their handsets.

That's nice.
Good for you, since it's a hassle to deal with sending back the device and shizz like that.

was just searching is anyone had a similar problem like me. to the OP yours sounds like my problem.
Had these fake OEM batteries for a while now. Until recently they have been charging ang turning off in 1 1/2 minutes. put a genuine OEM battery in and the problem is gone.
My solution was OEM can charge thru phone but fakes cant, use fakes as backup and charge it thru a desktop charger. goodluck

Note 3 not turning on. Sudden death? Hardware problem?

Let me start from the begining.
So the other day I plugged my phone into USB in order to charge it (I had to keep it close to me hence why I didn't plug it into the wall charger). The phone was charging, showing up as a media device on the lappy, etc. I was doing stuff on the computer then I heard it vibrate so I went to see what it was. The blue notification light was on (facebook notification most likely) and when I pressed the Menu button the screen didn't come on. I also tried the Power button but same thing. So I decided to restart the phone. Since then, it hasn't turned back on.
I tested the battery in another device and it's working perfectly fine. Neither recovery nor download mode work. I tried to do some of the tests people recommended for sudden death, like plugging it into usb and leaving it for a while, trying to kick start it (putting battery in while holding the recovery buttons) - you name it, i've done it. I even went to the lengths of taking off the back cover to see if theres any crap that got in there, maybe a loose connector, anything burnt - nothing. Unfortunately, I don't have a multimeter to see if there is a charge running through the board. Looks like sudden death to me, the only thing is - I rooted the phone on the 1st day I got it and I don't live in the country where I bought the phone so sending it over for warranty repairs would be a pain in the ass. What can I do? I would greatly appreciate your help, if you manage to help me fix my baby, I will ENSURE to send you a donation for a nice, big, cold beer (or maybe a few).
Looking forward to any answers! I really need my phone, I use it for work.

It seems like a hardware issue... you need to take it to a local store to scan it's hardware.... maybe something gone wrong while charging which made something be destroyed inside it..... hope its not the motherboard.....

it happens sometimes, when charging current fluctuate, it destroys the charging circuit and in result it damage the whole current circuit, local repair shop can solve the issue.