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Upgrade RAM?

I was wondering if there was any way to upgrade the RAM in my Mogul. I have advanced soldering skills and am not new to disassembling larger complex devices such as the Mogul and would feel comfortable doing so if the benefits outweighed the risks.
The HTC Kaiser and HTC Touch Dual both have 128Mbs of RAM. Is it possible that the RAM card has the same circuit layout and is the same physical size as the 64Mb card that is installed in the Mogul? If it is then it should be possible to swap these out and I would like to try it.
Does anyone here know the exact specifications of these 2 on-board RAM cards?

Wow will be nice to know and where to get the ram chip if possible to swap new on.

i can possibly find the mogul specs for you
is this a service you want to offer others??

Dependent upon price and possibility, I would gladly pay for an upgrade to 128mb...

xweaponx said:
Dependent upon price and possibility, I would gladly pay for an upgrade to 128mb...
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Ditto.
If it's not possible to upgrade the RAM now, make a way for it to be possible. This is the World, we as a human race can solve a problem as simple and small as this.

Pocketpctechs.com offers this service for other devices, but not the Mogul. Considering how much money they'd make if it was possible, something tells me it's not gonna happen.
That said, I would definitely pay good money to add more RAM.

bigray327 said:
Pocketpctechs.com offers this service for other devices, but not the Mogul. Considering how much money they'd make if it was possible, something tells me it's not gonna happen.
That said, I would definitely pay good money to add more RAM.
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So, I want PocketPCTechs to outline to us in detail why it can't be done. IF we have the technicals on why it's not possible, then this question won't be coming up time and time again.

neilson said:
So, I want PocketPCTechs to outline to us in detail why it can't be done. IF we have the technicals on why it's not possible, then this question won't be coming up time and time again.
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Yeah, I'd love to hear the details too. It can't be any harder than soldering in a new damn chip. I've emailed them, but am not holding my breath for a reply.
Hell, *HTC* should offer the service as pennance for releasing this POS in the first place.

there's always "a way"... the only question is who will figure it out first. Even if it perhaps would be to use the main storage as a virtual drive similar to a hard disk on a computer, that would be awesome.
I'd absolutely pay good $ to get 128mb of ram on my xv6800.
or a 2nd processor!!

If I found it was possible then there is a possibility that I might offer it as an upgrade as long as I can get my own done (and done right) before chancing anyone else's device. I really like the titan but the lack of RAM is killing me...

dharvey4651 said:
I was wondering if there was any way to upgrade the RAM in my Mogul. I have advanced soldering skills and am not new to disassembling larger complex devices such as the Mogul and would feel comfortable doing so if the benefits outweighed the risks.
The HTC Kaiser and HTC Touch Dual both have 128Mbs of RAM. Is it possible that the RAM card has the same circuit layout and is the same physical size as the 64Mb card that is installed in the Mogul? If it is then it should be possible to swap these out and I would like to try it.
Does anyone here know the exact specifications of these 2 on-board RAM cards?
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If I had to guess,and its just a guess,I would guess the ram is like the ram in my samsung a920. A typical thing to see in these devices is a BGA chip. The real trick is knowing if the phone will recognize a larger one if it was soldered in.

pflatlyne said:
The real trick is knowing if the phone will recognize a larger one if it was soldered in.
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Oh crap I hadn't thought of that.

I have sent a message to PocketPCTechs about upgrading the RAM on our Moguls and whether or not it is physically possible seeing as how the Touch Dual, Vogue, and also the TyTN II both have 128Mb of RAM.

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dharvey4651 said:
I have sent a message to Pocket PCTechs about upgrading the RAM on our Moguls and whether or not it is physically possible seeing as how the Touch Dual, Vogue, and also the TyTN II both have 128Mb of RAM.
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No I'm just going to throw this out there but the last physical replacement ram upgrade i have ever seen is the wallaby, which i have.
But from my experience its always been an upgrade or a driver that cut the full potential of the ram loose. I believe with out question that the titan which i posses has the capability to be 128 hence the other phones similar to it.
How ever being that the battery status has caused me many sleepless nights on the mogul due to its make up. So my hands on theory for this particular phone is only speculation.
i have used ppc techs tsk driver on numerous phones including the sph-i700 for samsung and it was a night and day difference
I will say this that from all the the boards i have seen and all the new products there is a logical reason why they keep these phones toned down i still hit almost every one of my phones with the moloski tweak just start my mods. I would have to say that the upgeade lies with in simply because htc never maxes out any of the phones

Would/is it be possible to somehow link memory from your SD card to your RAM? Or is ROM and RAM defined under specific hardware profiles? If a hack or mod could be made to utilize 64mb of ram for program usage using your SD card...
all would be well. Just a thought. Input?

Boy did I set the ball in motion... I really hope this is possible. If its a driver issue then that would be awesome but even a Solder-in ram card would be better than nothing.

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xweaponx said:
Would/is it be possible to somehow link memory from your SD card to your RAM? Or is ROM and RAM defined under specific hardware profiles? If a hack or mod could be made to utilize 64mb of ram for program usage using your SD card...
all would be well. Just a thought. Input?
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i would def consider the possibility of having a swapfile which is what you are talking about. The problem would lie in the latency with the sd card or rom i would think a 66x card or faster would work somewhat but i am not sure if wm6 already does with rom. That could be why it slows to a hault when memory is low but the idea is not new and should be something that could be done on software level to create virtual ram like i said though physical ram would be best. For an idea on the performance of sd card google readyboost as that is what microsoft calls it for vista.
p.s. You are def on to something because if they already do utilize virtual mem then it could be optimized or moved on to a high speed sd card which i think would have better write speeds then rom.

Anymore info on this? This would be great!!

pastert33 said:
Anymore info on this? This would be great!!
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I was told by PPCTechs that it is not possible. That is all they said.

acidfire52 said:
I was told by PPCTechs that it is not possible. That is all they said.
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Same here, but all that really means is that they're not willing to do it. I bet some enterprising soul that's willing to risk his 6800 could solder in the same RAM chip the Touch uses and it would work.
I'm willing to donate $20 or so to any serious R&D endeavor.

Hardware Upgrade for G1?

So I know we all like buying new phones and throwing out the old, but what if we wanted to upgrade the RAM or storage? Has anybody done something like this? Is there a way to take the G1 apart and add more RAM for super fast processing?
Can anybody point me in the right direction to do this? Thanks!

atolar said:
So I know we all like buying new phones and throwing out the old, but what if we wanted to upgrade the RAM or storage? Has anybody done something like this? Is there a way to take the G1 apart and add more RAM for super fast processing?
Can anybody point me in the right direction to do this? Thanks!
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OK, im pullin out the knife..no no but seriously you better be saving up your pocket change for new sd cards that go up to 32 GB cause thats all the uping you can really do.

I know about the sd cards, but I mean soldering and the like.

find me a ram chip ill give it a try

atolar said:
I know about the sd cards, but I mean soldering and the like.
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I know i just added some sarcasm in there for ya mate, but no there wont be any flying,soldiers,fireing,making of any sorts on this relic its at its limits all you can do is OC and slap a custom os onto it.Also get a phone skin for it from skkinit if you want it to look unique..

Actually that's a good question. I have been checking PPCTechs.com on and off to see if they have anything like RAM or ROM upgrades for our G1s. No luck so far, so probably not gonna happen, although they do it with quite a few WM devices.
Does anyone know if it possible to overclock the CPU? Right now we aren't actually overclocking it, despite what people call it, we are only running it at it's rated speed and not underclocking it.

There was a post somewhere about overclocking to 700 something through the kernel

if someone can find me a datasheet for the ram thats in the phone, i have the equipement to replace them, i'm sure i can source another larger one but i'm not sure if the chipset will support it.

I have the G1 Tech Manual. Is that what you mean? http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=72888a5fe1278ed408f8df73f2072ed6666d6d14c3b8b109d6e38d13f15c3e80

The last 3 smart phones I have owned there has been discussion of adding more ram... and it never pans out. My 2 cents is you will be better waiting and picking up a next gen phone. The lifespan of a phone just isn't what it used to be with how advanced they are becoming.

It's really not worth the effort to upgrade the ram. Even if it was as simple as just soldering a new chip in (which it very rarely is - I don't know the specifics of the g1), this device is held back by the cpu as much as the ram and you certainly can't drop in an upgrade for that.
It might be possible to overclock the cpu, but since the g1 features no cooling system whatsoever, and no space to add one, I think you'd put it on the fast track to the scrapheap.

BinaryDroid said:
if someone can find me a datasheet for the ram thats in the phone, i have the equipement to replace them, i'm sure i can source another larger one but i'm not sure if the chipset will support it.
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My best guess is that whatever chip is in the big-mem version of the MAGIC will work with DREAM. Possibly the chip that is in the HERO.
Of course note that it will be necessary to program this chip with something at some point, otherwise the act of installing a blank chip will be an obvious brick.

[Q] HTC HD2 vs HTC HD7?

So title says it all. I've already bought an HTC HD2 from Ebay and I have a 7 day money back guarantee. Its still being shipping so the 7 day money back hasn't started. Though I would like to hear your opinions on what I should do. Keep the HD2? Return it and buy an HD7? If so, why?
Thanks!

This is really a question of opinion. The HD2, will prolly eventually run WP7, whereas the HD7 will more than likely never run anything except WP7, Android included. Personally I think the HD2 is the better choice, for the following reasons:
It can run WinMo, Android and most likely WP7
MUCH more software available
Better hardware build quality
More open software
I have played with an HD7, and I gotta say that the hardware is kinda..."squishy"...I dunno but the hardware just doesn't seem as rock solid as the HD2...but, like I said in the beginning, it's all up to you.

ashasaur said:
This is really a question of opinion. The HD2, will prolly eventually run WP7, whereas the HD7 will more than likely never run anything except WP7, Android included. Personally I think the HD2 is the better choice, for the following reasons:
It can run WinMo, Android and most likely WP7
MUCH more software available
Better hardware build quality
More open software
I have played with an HD7, and I gotta say that the hardware is kinda..."squishy"...I dunno but the hardware just doesn't seem as rock solid as the HD2...but, like I said in the beginning, it's all up to you.
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Thanks alot for your input. I don't really know much about either phone, your reply was exactly what I was looking for. However, I still would like the opinion of a few more members. I have about a week still to decide. All opinions are welcome!

I was having the same debate with myself recently and bought the HD2 from Ebay (still hasn't arrived either...).
I agree with the sentiment that the HD2 overall has better build quality and many more options (roms, android, etc).
Hope you get your phone soon

One thing that really put me off was the lack of MicroSD expansion slot and the abysmal 16GB that's included. If you get the HD7 you'll be stuck with the internal 16GB forever.... don't know why they don't offer 32 or 64GB flavors seeing how it is user non replaceable.
Other than that fact it's a real toss up. I'm not sure how much modding the 7 OS will allow because that's one of the biggest things for me but i'm sure the fine folks here at XDA will figure something out . Like ashasaur has already said the HD2 offers a lot of modding and we'll just have to wait and see how much mods can be applied to the HD7.
If you're the no non-sense type of person who just wants to operate out of the box you'll probably want the HD7..... but then again you're registered on XDA....

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One thing that really put me off was the lack of MicroSD expansion slot and the abysmal 16GB that's included. If you get the HD7 you'll be stuck with the internal 16GB forever.... don't know why they don't offer 32 or 64GB flavors seeing how it is user non replaceable.
Other than that fact it's a real toss up. I'm not sure how much modding the 7 OS will allow because that's one of the biggest things for me but i'm sure the fine folks here at XDA will figure something out . Like ashasaur has already said the HD2 offers a lot of modding and we'll just have to wait and see how much mods can be applied to the HD7.
If you're the no non-sense type of person who just wants to operate out of the box you'll probably want the HD7..... but then again you're registered on XDA....
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Haha thanks for your input!

Your post is actually incorrect...the HD7, and pretty much all WP7 devices DO have MicroSD slots, the only thing is if you remove the SD card, and reinsert it or another one, you have todo a hard reset on the device to format the new card.

ashasaur said:
Your post is actually incorrect...the HD7, and pretty much all WP7 devices DO have MicroSD slots, the only thing is if you remove the SD card, and reinsert it or another one, you have todo a hard reset on the device to format the new card.
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So it's possible to run Android on it?

Proboby not. The way that WP7 handles programs is completely different then WinMo, so Android...at least in it's current form cannot run on WP7...all I was saying is that you can actually put a new SD card in your device.

ashasaur said:
Proboby not. The way that WP7 handles programs is completely different then WinMo, so Android...at least in it's current form cannot run on WP7...all I was saying is that you can actually put a new SD card in your device.
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you sure can if you want to void the warranty by dissassembling the device to gain access to the MicroSDHC slot....you definately cannot just pop in a new card like you can on the HD2

See...I don't understand what people are talking about with that...it's just a piece of plastic, and with the demo unit I played with, it simply just popped off and showed the SD card.

In my opinion i prefer the HD2 because its customizable where you can run Android straight from your SD CARD where the HD7 you cant. Another thing is that every time you insert a different SD CARD on the HD7 you have to hard reset becasue its one physical memory and its combined into a single virtual drive so that they appear to be a single large disk.

I will be getting it due to the fact most developers will be supporting Win7 moving forward and I think the new OS will be more customer friendly for the masses.

HD2 does not support flash natively and Hd7 does.

ashasaur said:
Your post is actually incorrect...the HD7, and pretty much all WP7 devices DO have MicroSD slots, the only thing is if you remove the SD card, and reinsert it or another one, you have todo a hard reset on the device to format the new card.
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If you're referring to this then it's still no....
http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/29/htc-hd7-has-hidden-microsd-slot-user-replacable-card/
http://pocketnow.com/windows-phone/...&utm_campaign=Feed:+pocketnow+(pocketnow.com)
http://news.softpedia.com/news/No-MicroSD-Cards-for-HTC-HD7-Video-Tour-Available-165142.shtml
Unless there's something i missed or an official word from HTC themselves it would appear this will indeed void your warranty. I'm not too sure how many people here will risk physical damage of a $700-$800 brand new phone.....
Plus the fact you said yourself and in the articles it would force you to hard reset your phone if replaced. Not the same amount of convenience compared to the HD2.

Indeed. Not the same convinience as hot swapping, but still indeed swappable. And I have a feeling that WP7's need to reformat the card is just some precautionary measure that will eventually be able to be circumvented. All I know is that on the HD7 hardware I played with, that cover simply popped off to reveal the SD slot and the lower part of the SIM slot, didn't have to force it or anything, and then it just snapped right back on...that may have changed on final hardware I do not know.

even if the microSD cover just "pops off", it was not meant to be... just like the iTard battery cover is just a piece of plastic that can be popped off, but steve wants you to mail the whole phone back plus $100 so they'll replace the $3 battery for you, but I digress...
the whole smardphone world is going through an iTardificaiton, and you might as well call the HD7 the iwPhone7... but I digress again...
actually, if you want to dabble in both android and some flavor of Windows mobile, better stick with the HD2, as android is fully functional on it now. hardware wise, there is nothing in the hd7 that you'll miss, kickstand aside.
just my 2c.

ashasaur said:
Indeed. Not the same convinience as hot swapping, but still indeed swappable. And I have a feeling that WP7's need to reformat the card is just some precautionary measure that will eventually be able to be circumvented. All I know is that on the HD7 hardware I played with, that cover simply popped off to reveal the SD slot and the lower part of the SIM slot, didn't have to force it or anything, and then it just snapped right back on...that may have changed on final hardware I do not know.
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Well from what i've been reading removable memory is not "officially" supported. It's not meant to be removed without voiding the warranty.
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2361377,00.asp
In that article is says you'll be able to see the card "locked" under the battery and i'm sure that's probably what you saw in the HD7.. now whether or not it actually voids anything is completely debatable. Article is a bit old but that's what i've been hearing.
Based on that article it would seem Microsoft is gunning for a smooth streamlined experience with out hick ups. Makes sense in a way to not allow third party microSD cards with varying performance such as brand and class speeds.

Never mind.....
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=807900&page=6
apparently the microSD problem is already being actively discussed....
OK, I,ve now taken the ten screws out and the plastic bit just lifts off. I took the card out and it is a 16gb sd card.
I tried to read it but it comes up with please insert card so I'm not sure how it is formatted or what is on it.
One of the screws has a void sticker on it for the warranty.
I've put the phone back together and it still works.
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Well there's the answer. Apparently it is accessible you'll just forfeit your warranty..... choices choices.

There is NO way i would be willing to void my warranty to the point where t-mobile would FOR SURE know. Right now i can always flash back to stock rom and send for replacement. Ripping the sticker that voids the warranty is no different than getting that little round dot that changes color wet, on purpose.

BAD NEWS FOR DUAL BOOT MODE IN WP7 AND Android

Don't waste your time!!!! OR at least if it's stable prepare yourself for the Bad Day
After several attempts form our friends to have a stable double system
WP7 and android.... on the same handheld, which was a huge success for developers...
The fake stability of what so called symbiosis got to end up
to be a saprophyte.....?!??!?
Discovered after a good usage of both data over gprs and voice calls,the movement from WP7 to Android was smooth, but the move from Android to WP7 was not after a while.
Several times different Android Versions,
the conclusion was SD card data good bye...
WP7 for good, Android data recoverable( camera,business sheets,or games). for 8G,or 16G sd cards...
we still need time to find the best combination, or at least find the real gap....
i welcome any suggestions or ideas to be shared....
Regards to:
Moiisse
Andro007
and me

I have dual boot system. Wp7 installed in Nand and gingerbread (american Android) in SD booted from magldr. So far they are working well. Can you specifically explain what the problems are?
Thanks,

I too have both working very well with no problems at all.

M8... this is a bold statement to make ...
Sd cards get broken avery day even with just winmo...
With no more info provided this is not to be taken seriously....
If you have any more info for this please share with us.
Else stop posting big loud statements like this

i don't get it, what is this post saying?
dual booting is not possible, or use of your SD card will break it eventually? :S
At least provide proof, or well, make sense

jianototi said:
Don't waste your time!!!! OR at least if it's stable prepare yourself for the Bad Day
After several attempts form our friends to have a stable double system
WP7 and android.... on the same handheld, which was a huge success for developers...
The fake stability of what so called symbiosis got to end up
to be a saprophyte.....?!??!?
Discovered after a good usage of both data over gprs and voice calls,the movement from WP7 to Android was smooth, but the move from Android to WP7 was not after a while.
Several times different Android Versions,
the conclusion was SD card data good bye...
WP7 for good, Android data recoverable( camera,business sheets,or games). for 8G,or 16G sd cards...
we still need time to find the best combination, or at least find the real gap....
i welcome any suggestions or ideas to be shared....
Regards to:
Moiisse
Andro007
and me
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what in sam hill are you talking about?

agreed, firstly this makes no sense, are you talking about moving from one to the other? quite a lot of folk got this working without issues so please explain in clear english
and rename this thread, WP7 has enough bad PR that is in reality utter nonsense without even more false statements spreading bad feelings.

it is normal that sd cards get slow or ven corrupt and needs to format with allot of use no thing to be taken seriously ,
Thanks and regards

sd card for w7

hey guys, getting some errors on my first rom install i did last night so gonna replace my 2gig micro sd card, the one that came free with the phone.
seen this on ebay, any advice recommendations would be very much appreciated
Joyflash 16GB Micro SD HC Card Class 10
£16.99

i would recommend searching as there is litterally hundreds of posts on this
but whilst im here, i wouldnt bother with that
Here is the truth of the matter,
There is no confirmed cards available on the market (potentially AT&T are selling one branded for it but it costs quite a bit and i dont know anyone thats had one)
Second thing, there is no confirmed working cards on the market ( yes repeating was intentional)
The only confirmed card is one that has been tried in a Device and has been proven to work
You have just as much luck getting a card working than one that doesnt however you can increase your chances of getting one that works by sticking to class 2 or 4
im not going in to the details of why... but that is not to say a class 10 wont work, many people have had them working, but it appears that class 2 and 4 have a higher chance of working.
Brand doesnt mean anything, some folk are saying sandisk are the best, however from my point of view this isnt the case as 2 of my cards that dont work are sandisk, inshort it depends on many things which ultimately brings teh whole thing down to luck!

My 16gig Class 2 Sandisk works fine... OS didn't reject it, I get no errors and I get no chugging when viewing sizable video files off the card (1.8gig rip of avatar for instance)...
This is strange as in the same HD2 with the stock WM 6.5 ROM, the card was slow as hell and even populating views for pictures and videos was hell slow...
I ordered a class 6 via eBay so I can diskcopy to the faster card but I'm know its only for my peace of mind...
A class 4 or 6 should do the job but stick to better brands such as Sandisk or Kingston...

WM was crippled by poor driver support, the HD2 at the time of its launch had an amazing graphics potential but we never had drivers, even the XDA ones were only touching the surface of its potential, WP7 uses that potential hence when graphics and video seem more fluid, its a shame, WM is an amazing OS if it only had some TLC, i believe thats why MS has had to lock down the WP7 OS because carriers / HTC / QC screwed WM and the irony was that MS got the blame for it all
whoops sorry posted in wrong thread, your right back on topic!

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WM was crippled by poor driver support, the HD2 at the time of its launch had an amazing graphics potential but we never had drivers, even the XDA ones were only touching the surface of its potential, WP7 uses that potential hence when graphics and video seem more fluid, its a shame, WM is an amazing OS if it only had some TLC, i believe thats why MS has had to lock down the WP7 OS because carriers / HTC / QC screwed WM and the irony was that MS got the blame for it all
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Not wanting to go too far off topic, I'll say this...
When using an 8gig no-name card I had no troubles with old WM... It only slowed when using the 16gig Class 2 Sandisk...

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Not wanting to go too far off topic, I'll say this...
When using an 8gig no-name card I had no troubles with old WM... It only slowed when using the 16gig Class 2 Sandisk...
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its luck, i dont think people understand that, perhaps because we all operate on here in a world full of 1's and 0's.
personally i think it just highlights that companys will put on a shelf anything they like of minor but questionable levels of quality