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A-GPS software for Trinity?!?

Hi!
I see that the P3300 uses software to enable A-GPS no its device. Any1 go the software for Trinity as well?
I think the software developer is: http://www.globallocate.com/

unready said:
Hi!
I see that the P3300 uses software to enable A-GPS no its device. Any1 go the software for Trinity as well?
I think the software developer is: http://www.globallocate.com/
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Whatever software you put in your phone, A-GPS will only work if your operator supports it in their network. As far as I know as of today no operator in Europe has commercially deployed A-GPS.

anonimo said:
Whatever software you put in your phone, A-GPS will only work if your operator supports it in their network. As far as I know as of today no operator in Europe has commercially deployed A-GPS.
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That´s not true and the question is right. I am also looking for a software solution. The application on the 3300 just needed a Internet connection and get´s the information about the satellites from there. so you get a much faster GPS fix. we were all using it on the 3300 - in germany, austria and italy. Would be great having it also for the trinity

symobay said:
That´s not true and the question is right. I am also looking for a software solution. The application on the 3300 just needed a Internet connection and get´s the information about the satellites from there. so you get a much faster GPS fix. we were all using it on the 3300 - in germany, austria and italy. Would be great having it also for the trinity
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Can you explain how A-GPS can work if you can't access your operator's core network elements such as the SMLC (Serving Mobile Location Centre)?
Read this article and specifically the caption for picture 2:
http://www.gpsworld.com/gpsworld/article/articleDetail.jsp?id=12287

Sorry for the unrelated question but does anyone know any GPS software that has a Today Screen plugin for neatly displaying location info/stats on the Today Screen?

TyTN has GPS.? it says so on htc site

I didnt think the tytn had gps..!
am I right or wrong ?
http://www.europe.htc.com/support/faq.html?id=303
http://www.europe.htc.com/support/faq.html?id=321

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=291181&page=38
CHECK HERE FOR THE PROCESS

yeah i have seen this thread just seems theres alot of
problems getting it working, just wonderd why htc are saying tytn has gps
and can be used with tomtom but no one can get it working

I don't think HTC is saying it's built-in, just that it's available, supposedly as an add-on.

"quote from HTC site"
Support: HTC TyTN
Q: Does the integrated GPS turn off?
A: From everything seen so far, the GPS is only on when you activate the GPS software. You can conserve battery power by turning off the GSM radio when its not needed
it states "integrated GPS"
maybe I have made a mix up but this is stating its intergrated on the tytn

Could they possibly be refering to GPS the way cell phone GPS is defined? i.e. Ability to broadcast your triangulated position (via cell site, not satellite) for things like 911?
Dan.

That first link didn't load for me initially (some cookie not set I assume) so I didn't see it. The page certainly implies that the TyTN has integrated GPS, but it makes no sense for them to say "from everything seen so far" - if they made the product, shouldn't they know how it works?! This is very strange.
CmptrDan: I don't think it's an E911 related thing, because that cannot be used with regular GPS software AFAIK. If it's just the regular E911 TDOA technology, I don't think the handset even receives the location information; it is calculated by the cell towers and sent to the 911 operators. I must point out that I do not know any of this for certain.

CmptrDan said:
Could they possibly be refering to GPS the way cell phone GPS is defined? i.e. Ability to broadcast your triangulated position (via cell site, not satellite) for things like 911?
Dan.
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They suggest turning the GSM radio off to conserve power when using GPS so they can't be referring to triangulation and stuff like that because without the GSM radio on, it wouldn't work.
Everything about that answer is weird.

I think they mean that if you're worried about GPS wasting power, you should turn the GSM radio off, which should (theoretically) kill the GPS too. That part actually makes sense...

Maybe they're just toying with us
Maybe someone over at HTC has noticed the efforts being made by some here at XDA-Dev.
So they just bung in some obscure reference to GPS just to mess with our heads

Somebody should call HTC Europe and ask about that. And I mean call, not email, because then they have to give SOME kind of answer.

there are now even more things about the gps, more answers perhaps
http://www.europe.htc.com/support/faq.html?id=322
http://www.europe.htc.com/support/faq.html?id=323
http://www.europe.htc.com/support/faq.html?id=324
http://www.europe.htc.com/support/faq.html?id=325
all stating that GPS is working and should be availible?!
could it be like this: they are going to release a new rom and in that one GPS is enabled?????

cybertron said:
there are now even more things about the gps, more answers perhaps
http://www.europe.htc.com/support/faq.html?id=322
http://www.europe.htc.com/support/faq.html?id=323
http://www.europe.htc.com/support/faq.html?id=324
http://www.europe.htc.com/support/faq.html?id=325
all stating that GPS is working and should be availible?!
could it be like this: they are going to release a new rom and in that one GPS is enabled?????
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The links that you have written they report to gps external to the tytn.

i hope there are standards FAQ
It's logic that if you haven't GPS, or phone, or wifi, you don't ask nothing about.
Try to compare the ask possibilities of more devices...

cybertron said:
there are now even more things about the gps, more answers perhaps
http://www.europe.htc.com/support/faq.html?id=322
http://www.europe.htc.com/support/faq.html?id=323
http://www.europe.htc.com/support/faq.html?id=324
http://www.europe.htc.com/support/faq.html?id=325
all stating that GPS is working and should be availible?!
could it be like this: they are going to release a new rom and in that one GPS is enabled?????
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Sorry for being the party pooper here but these articles seem to be generic and not specific to any particular phone model. You can see the same articles if you select Qtek S200. I don't take this as a sign from HTC that the Prophet contains a GPS receiver.

abubasim said:
I don't take this as a sign from HTC that the Prophet contains a GPS receiver.
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True, but the work in this post http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1121407&postcount=387 shows that there is an NMEA compliant device trying to come out in the Hermes . The parent thread for that also has the exact same GSM and GPS chipsets listed as being in the Tytn and the Trinity.
Seems like they're really getting close to having it working, so keep your fingers crossed!

called htc europe today they said the 3600 has enabled gps the 3300 has gps but disabled until the next rom update but the tytn has no gps.
I mentioned the htc website in the faq's on the tytn, they said there maybe a mistake and will take a look and rectify any mistakes if any.
(I might have got them two model numbers the wrong way around but one definitely has gps disabled)

se4me said:
called htc europe today they said the 3600 has enabled gps the 3300 has gps but disabled until the next rom update but the tytn has no gps.
I mentioned the htc website in the faq's on the tytn, they said there maybe a mistake and will take a look and rectify any mistakes if any.
(I might have got them two model numbers the wrong way around but one definitely has gps disabled)
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Well, the Tytn uses the exact same chipset as the Trinity, and this chipset has a built-in GPS (which the Trinity does use successfully as evidenced in this forum). I'm sure HTC doesn't want the general public to know that it's disabled this feature, but I've seen the chip info on Qualcomm's website and it does in fact have it. I didn't see any mention of GPS in the FCC submission for the Hermes, so they never had any intention of letting us use it (here in the states at least).
I really have to wonder why HTC would want to disable it other than to try and widen its product base a bit since the Trinity would have less public interest if the only difference between it and Hermes was the keyboard.

I really hope so would be great to get this feature working, at the moment im using a bluetooth gps reciver but not always got it with me.

if htc says there is no gps, then there shouldn't be any gps in tytn.
don't get too atracted

A-GPS on trinity ?

Hi !
I've tried a search on this forum but "no result for this search"
So is there a A-GPS functionnality and how can I use it ? with which soft ?
Thx for your answers (and sorry if it has already answered before )

KeitaroSenpai said:
Hi !
I've tried a search on this forum but "no result for this search"
So is there a A-GPS functionnality and how can I use it ? with which soft ?
Thx for your answers (and sorry if it has already answered before )
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No AGPS for this Qualcomm GPS.
Beware of placebo effect of avaricum QGPS that some guys are using

A-GPS is supported within the chipset, but there is not yet any software which can access it, and no-one appears to be developing any.

JeRoMe_aKa_JaY said:
No AGPS for this Qualcomm GPS.
Beware of placebo effect of avaricum QGPS that some guys are using
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It is not true!
Qualcomm MSM6275 Chipset is A-GPS
See here:
http://www.umtschips.com/products/msm6275_chipset_solution.jsp
we must wait for GpsOneXtra Assistance:
See here:
http://cdmatech.com/download_library/pdf/gpsonextra_assistance.pdf

marcopete said:
we must wait for GpsOneXtra Assistance:
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So, no AGPS for this moment...
you're right, wait

To be honest, I don't quite think GpsOneXtra Assistance will really come to trinity.
The press release is even much later than its release, and probably even though the chipset supports it, there's still a need for OEM to support it either in the driver or the OS level.
To date, even Kaiser don't support this. So don't hold your breath....

JeRoMe_aKa_JaY said:
So, no AGPS for this moment...
you're right, wait
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Erm - no A-GPS is present. It is something that is network operator dependent - so to say no AGPS for the moment is not strictly true.
GpsOneXtra Assistance is not the same as A-GPS. A-GPS means that the network operator must implement a dedicated server on their netowrks to manage this and it would not work with roaming.
GpsOneXtra Assistance uses an internet connection to connect to a non network operator dependent server on the internet to get information.
So, we don't necessarily have to wait for GpsOneXtra Assistance and there is, at the moment A-GPS on the Trinity - but perhaps not your network operator.

Yes, you are correct that A-GPS is present in Trinity - but seems that there are few operator (about 50) which actually supports the GPSOne platform in their stations.
See http://www.cdmatech.com/locationservicesshowcase/highlights.jsp
And before every operator supports this crap, I guess the best way to get a quick fix is to have a software solution to download the pre-made ephemeris data and almanac data to the GPS chipset.

Or just go outside for 3 minutes, and get a proper fix!
HTC do support the A-GPS on the P3300 with a dedicated server, but fix times are only a few seconds faster than with GPS alone in many circumstances.

Approximately from 15 seconds to 45 secs...

This is maybe a stupid question! but if my operator supports gpsone platform, then how does it work? is there a software to activate this?

AFAIK there is not yet any software to activate the GPSOne facilities on WM devices.

Something new today ?....
I think that Orange France support this...

...any news?

Still nothing new on this matter?
In finland a lot of people have Nokias phones wich uses AGPS, so I think that its wery well supported by the local operators. But I didnt understand from the messages that is there any software to download from anywhere? Or do we still have to wait? Does anyone know anything more about this matter now?

In Germany O2 sends a cell brodcast on channel 221 giving the coordinates of the next cellphone tower in Gauß-Küger-Notation format (Can be converted to WGS84 gps coordinates easily).
Allso google maps mobile can use a similar system to determine your position when not using GPS (the funny thing about that: people with gps buildin help google maps determine where the cellphone towers are located.)
Now somehow feeding these coordinates + downloaded almanach into the chip sould decrease TTFF + TTF sicnificantly.
But since nobody really knows the functions of the qualcomm chip/driver this is pretty far away from us right now.
My dream would be:
Since I will recieve a Cell Broadcast massage every time i change my cellphone tower a nifty little program will load the Position into the chip (or every time I turn on GPS it loads them in, since I don`t know if the chip can be accessed when GPS turned off [won´t bet on that])
besides of that the same application sould download updated almanach-data and allso load them in on gps startup.
But I think this will stay a dream

GPS X9601

GPS problems
Ok so I have a North American GSM x9501...
Never used the GPS (Telenav isn't available to Canadian residense). This device is unlocked and NOT purchased from Rogers...
Downloaded Google maps, tried to use GPS and it wouldn't work. Set the settings manually Com4 57600 baud... It says searching for satalites, and has some HUGE number (54357734578) in brackets... GPS doesn't work.
Installed the HTC GPS tool, looks like GPS data is coming in, but can't get a fix. Then tried to use GPSgate, and it says GPS data is coming in but cannot get fix. Both of these two apps can't find any satalites.
Does anyone know what is up?

Zhariak said:
GPS problems
Ok so I have a North American GSM x9501...
Never used the GPS (Telenav isn't available to Canadian residense). This device is unlocked and NOT purchased from Rogers...
Downloaded Google maps, tried to use GPS and it wouldn't work. Set the settings manually Com4 57600 baud... It says searching for satalites, and has some HUGE number (54357734578) in brackets... GPS doesn't work.
Installed the HTC GPS tool, looks like GPS data is coming in, but can't get a fix. Then tried to use GPSgate, and it says GPS data is coming in but cannot get fix. Both of these two apps can't find any satalites.
Does anyone know what is up?
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yep, go out in middle of a field or open Terrace or any place where you can see the sky above you head directly and then start google maps with GPS or HTC GPS tool or GPS gate etc , wait 3-5 min and then it should have fix...
cheers

I've given is some time... Probably over 5 minutes...
It's just odd, I have lots of experiencing using GPS software and devices. It looks like it should be working, the only odd behaviour is:
1) It finds no satalites
and
2) Google Maps says "Seeking Satalites (3874732644)" which is odd, because theres not that many GPS satalites, lol.

Change the Baud Rate to 9600 and see whether it will work.

Tried different baud rates.
Yesterday I let it sit for 15 minutes on google maps until finally it said there was no reception...
And I know I have reception because I was outside. Both my TytN II and HP iPaq have no trouble aquiring fix's...

download free VISUALGPS CE and install. Then connect it to COM4 and press start.
See the NMEA log monitor section. You should see lot's of data, if not, your GPS might be bad.
I'm unsure if your 9501 will work with the ROM's we use in Europe to make calls, and have GPS enabled.. If it's OK, I would flash Thai Hugo's Age of Reason and check again your GPS.

I'm using the factory ROM for the X9501 (Which does support GPS off the bat).
I used the HTC tool, and it looked like NMEA data was going through...

Zhariak said:
I'm using the factory ROM for the X9501 (Which does support GPS off the bat).
I used the HTC tool, and it looked like NMEA data was going through...
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On the HTC tool there is option to see the satellites , check if its has any satellites on red color, if so keep the shift out in terrace or garden until 3 satellite color changes to green , have patience....
if it does not show any satellite on the HTC tool then probably you need to flash the rom with some new rom from the forum ..
Before you do that make a copy of your Stock/original rom ..see forum for instruction
PS: Since you have the stock / orginal rom X9501....would you do me a favour and check if you connect to head set and on Windows mobile side WM6, can you record a message and then play back and you can hear your self back .... I wanted to know if the mic works with head set on WM6 side...for the Stock 9501 ROM.
Cheers.

shawankit said:
On the HTC tool there is option to see the satellites , check if its has any satellites on red color, if so keep the shift out in terrace or garden until 3 satellite color changes to green , have patience....
if it does not show any satellite on the HTC tool then probably you need to flash the rom with some new rom from the forum ..
Before you do that make a copy of your Stock/original rom ..see forum for instruction
PS: Since you have the stock / orginal rom X9501....would you do me a favour and check if you connect to head set and on Windows mobile side WM6, can you record a message and then play back and you can hear your self back .... I wanted to know if the mic works with head set on WM6 side...for the Stock 9501 ROM.
Cheers.
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Yes the Mic works, I helped Comonex with some testing to find out which radio firmwares supported the Mic.
Yes I can record/playback on the Windows Mobile side, and Yes skype works, etc....

Zhariak said:
Yes the Mic works, I helped Comonex with some testing to find out which radio firmwares supported the Mic.
Yes I can record/playback on the Windows Mobile side, and Yes skype works, etc....
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Did you find satellites on your GPS Tool ? either red or green in color ?
Thanks for letting us know that the head set works on wm6 side ....

shawankit said:
Did you find satellites on your GPS Tool ? either red or green in color ?
Thanks for letting us know that the head set works on wm6 side ....
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No problem.
Like I said, zero satelites...

Zhariak said:
No problem.
Like I said, zero satelites...
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Can I ask another favour , do you have any registry editor installed on you shift.
if so , can try to dump/export the registry settings for HKLocalMachine (HKLM) to a xml ot reg file and then copy / upload the xml/reg file here .
we want to use head set with X9500 shift and are trying to find a solution , may be its a reg setting that can fix the problem.
Appreciate your kind help

shawankit said:
Can I ask another favour , do you have any registry editor installed on you shift.
if so , can try to dump/export the registry settings for HKLocalMachine (HKLM) to a xml ot reg file and then copy / upload the xml/reg file here .
we want to use head set with X9500 shift and are trying to find a solution , may be its a reg setting that can fix the problem.
Appreciate your kind help
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I thought all the issues were fixed with the Shift's and headset usage?

Zhariak said:
I thought all the issues were fixed with the Shift's and headset usage?
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Nope , the issue is we cannot use the head set in WM6 as the mic on Head set does not work....so we have to use the speaker phone and its not good for phone calls private or business.
I would appreciate if you can help us to resolve the issue , if you can dump the reg keys for HKLM / Drivers/inbuilt ... it might give us some direction.
Appreciate your support.

A-Gps Question

I was just wondering what it is, as my orange rom had it before i unlocked and de-branded, is it usefull to me as my gps seems to be working fine without it. even when i had it it wroked better when it was disabled i think.
anyone know ?
Thanks

Would like to help.. but sorry, I do not quite understand your problem.

not so much a problem just wondering. il try and put it another way
before i debranded my orange branded jade, i had 2 options relating to gps, one was QuickGPS , thats still in the branded rom.
in the orange rom it had QuickGPS and another setting called A-GPS, just wondered what the second one was for as its not in the offical htc rom

As I have understood HTC pages :
"Quick GPS for Pocket PC from the HTC Corporation is included in the Windows Mobile 6 cusom build. Quick GPS can speed up the amount of time for determining a users GPS position by downloading the latest satellite information via an Internet Connection (such as GPRS, ActiveSync, etc). Quick GPS is intended for use in conjunction with Telenav but will provide the same experience if a customer is using another GPS Solution. "
And Wiki concerning A-GPS:
"An A-GPS system can address these problems in several ways, using an assistance server or other data from a network".
Quick GPS = A-GPS since both use the same principle i.e. downloading info about satellites via internet through GPRS, Wi-Fi if available etc.

Kajmaj said:
Quick GPS = A-GPS since both use the same principle i.e. downloading info about satellites via internet through GPRS, Wi-Fi if available etc.
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i thought as much, those crazy orange people having two programs for the same thing lol thanks for clearing that up

I believe it's not equivalent.
For what I understand, Quick GPS uses general satellite tables, which are downloaded every week.
The a-gps is more precise : you download the satellite tables which are calculated for the BTS (radio antenna) you are connected to, so it is very precise. It's quite impressive: wherever I am, I am able to get a cold fix in 10 to 15 seconds..
Well it's what I have understood of the system....

hello friend i have 3 htc jade 100 blocke in phone off ( telephone desactivé)
when i fin this htc . i flash with rom from web site www.htc.com
i trey to active but stell the sam problemm
how to fix this problemme plz help

xsat2010 said:
hello friend i have 3 htc jade 100 blocke in phone off ( telephone desactivé)
when i fin this htc . i flash with rom from web site www.htc.com
i trey to active but stell the sam problemm
how to fix this problemme plz help
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i think you should start by creating a new thread in the right section
could be a problem with the radio rom or a hardware problem

gomifromparis said:
I believe it's not equivalent.
For what I understand, Quick GPS uses general satellite tables, which are downloaded every week.
The a-gps is more precise : you download the satellite tables which are calculated for the BTS (radio antenna) you are connected to, so it is very precise. It's quite impressive: wherever I am, I am able to get a cold fix in 10 to 15 seconds..
Well it's what I have understood of the system....
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never noticed this reply last time i checked , where is my head lol
that sounds about right, as a-gps never used the data connection and in my case (on o2-uk using a orange rom on a orange branded device) it would make sense that the a-gps data would of been avalible on the orange network and not on o2, and thats why i could not get a fix with it enabled
thanks for the precise answer gomifromparis