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Question about GPS

I don't own this phone, but was considering switching from Cingular's GSM network to Sprint's CDMA so that I can use high speed EV-DO, since I have no idea when Cingular's UMTS or HSDPA upgrade will happen.
Anywho... getting back on track to my question. It says that this phone has a GPS chip, which is used for E-911 location. Can this chip be used by navigation software, such as TomTom? Or is it only utilized when you dial 911?
I currently have the HTC Beetles (HP iPAQ 6515b) and it has a built-in GPS antenna that I just love, and would like to get another phone that still has this feature.

The GPS info is not available for mapping programs.

Correct.
ran-o-matic said:
The GPS info is not available for mapping programs.
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At this time that information is unavailable. Please see posts at
http://pdaphonehome.com/forums/ppc-6700-xv6700/73387-possible-access-gps-data-6700-a-1.html
It's nine pages as of current date. No answers yet.

A-GPS on trinity ?

Hi !
I've tried a search on this forum but "no result for this search"
So is there a A-GPS functionnality and how can I use it ? with which soft ?
Thx for your answers (and sorry if it has already answered before )

KeitaroSenpai said:
Hi !
I've tried a search on this forum but "no result for this search"
So is there a A-GPS functionnality and how can I use it ? with which soft ?
Thx for your answers (and sorry if it has already answered before )
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No AGPS for this Qualcomm GPS.
Beware of placebo effect of avaricum QGPS that some guys are using

A-GPS is supported within the chipset, but there is not yet any software which can access it, and no-one appears to be developing any.

JeRoMe_aKa_JaY said:
No AGPS for this Qualcomm GPS.
Beware of placebo effect of avaricum QGPS that some guys are using
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It is not true!
Qualcomm MSM6275 Chipset is A-GPS
See here:
http://www.umtschips.com/products/msm6275_chipset_solution.jsp
we must wait for GpsOneXtra Assistance:
See here:
http://cdmatech.com/download_library/pdf/gpsonextra_assistance.pdf

marcopete said:
we must wait for GpsOneXtra Assistance:
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So, no AGPS for this moment...
you're right, wait

To be honest, I don't quite think GpsOneXtra Assistance will really come to trinity.
The press release is even much later than its release, and probably even though the chipset supports it, there's still a need for OEM to support it either in the driver or the OS level.
To date, even Kaiser don't support this. So don't hold your breath....

JeRoMe_aKa_JaY said:
So, no AGPS for this moment...
you're right, wait
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Erm - no A-GPS is present. It is something that is network operator dependent - so to say no AGPS for the moment is not strictly true.
GpsOneXtra Assistance is not the same as A-GPS. A-GPS means that the network operator must implement a dedicated server on their netowrks to manage this and it would not work with roaming.
GpsOneXtra Assistance uses an internet connection to connect to a non network operator dependent server on the internet to get information.
So, we don't necessarily have to wait for GpsOneXtra Assistance and there is, at the moment A-GPS on the Trinity - but perhaps not your network operator.

Yes, you are correct that A-GPS is present in Trinity - but seems that there are few operator (about 50) which actually supports the GPSOne platform in their stations.
See http://www.cdmatech.com/locationservicesshowcase/highlights.jsp
And before every operator supports this crap, I guess the best way to get a quick fix is to have a software solution to download the pre-made ephemeris data and almanac data to the GPS chipset.

Or just go outside for 3 minutes, and get a proper fix!
HTC do support the A-GPS on the P3300 with a dedicated server, but fix times are only a few seconds faster than with GPS alone in many circumstances.

Approximately from 15 seconds to 45 secs...

This is maybe a stupid question! but if my operator supports gpsone platform, then how does it work? is there a software to activate this?

AFAIK there is not yet any software to activate the GPSOne facilities on WM devices.

Something new today ?....
I think that Orange France support this...

...any news?

Still nothing new on this matter?
In finland a lot of people have Nokias phones wich uses AGPS, so I think that its wery well supported by the local operators. But I didnt understand from the messages that is there any software to download from anywhere? Or do we still have to wait? Does anyone know anything more about this matter now?

In Germany O2 sends a cell brodcast on channel 221 giving the coordinates of the next cellphone tower in Gauß-Küger-Notation format (Can be converted to WGS84 gps coordinates easily).
Allso google maps mobile can use a similar system to determine your position when not using GPS (the funny thing about that: people with gps buildin help google maps determine where the cellphone towers are located.)
Now somehow feeding these coordinates + downloaded almanach into the chip sould decrease TTFF + TTF sicnificantly.
But since nobody really knows the functions of the qualcomm chip/driver this is pretty far away from us right now.
My dream would be:
Since I will recieve a Cell Broadcast massage every time i change my cellphone tower a nifty little program will load the Position into the chip (or every time I turn on GPS it loads them in, since I don`t know if the chip can be accessed when GPS turned off [won´t bet on that])
besides of that the same application sould download updated almanach-data and allso load them in on gps startup.
But I think this will stay a dream

AGPS - Australia

Hi,
Using a Dopod 810 / HTC Trinity and have upgraded to the official WM6 ROM.
So far so good. Still a battery drainer but not as much as the cooked ROMS.
I am finding my GPS takes a bit of time to lock onto sattelites. So....
a. Does the HTC Trinity support AGPS
b. Does the Australian 3 network support AGPS (I believe it does as it works on the Nokia N95)
c. If so, how do I activate AGPS on the device with this latest ROM
Would love some help.
Cheers,
Jeff

Sorry, this thread is a little old but I would like to bump it as I am looking for answers to exactly the same questions.
Mostly interested in how to enable AGPS on the HTC Trinity.
Thanks for any info!

Same here..
it would be helpfull for me too...
i tried a app which is lying around somewhere in the forum that supposed to download some nav data through internet and work as agps..but sadly it doesn't worked for me..
as it said n95 support 3 australias agps so d810 should also..now if anyone have any idea about that..
thanks

sajib said:
i tried a app which is lying around somewhere in the forum that supposed to download some nav data through internet and work as agps..but sadly it doesn't worked for me.
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It does not work for everybody, not only for you .
All the programs you may find on the web are token from other devices like Kaiser and Polaris (Qualcomm GPSone MSM7200), or like Artemis and Eten devices (Sirf Star) ... and I never read somewhere that one of them worked correctly for the Trinity (Qualcomm GPS ONE MSM6275)
--> Actually (and perhaps never), No AGPS solution for Trinity.

The MSM6275 definitely supports AGPS, that is what the gpsONE at the end means. I've been trying to look stuff up but most of the data was on cdmatech.com which now just redirects to the qualcomm homepage no matter where you navigate and the qualcomm site has nothing of use there! Very annoying.

So is AGPS definitely not supported on trinity?
Is it supported on any HTC device?

Is it supported on any HTC device?
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Yes, Diamond does support it.

A-Gps Question

I was just wondering what it is, as my orange rom had it before i unlocked and de-branded, is it usefull to me as my gps seems to be working fine without it. even when i had it it wroked better when it was disabled i think.
anyone know ?
Thanks

Would like to help.. but sorry, I do not quite understand your problem.

not so much a problem just wondering. il try and put it another way
before i debranded my orange branded jade, i had 2 options relating to gps, one was QuickGPS , thats still in the branded rom.
in the orange rom it had QuickGPS and another setting called A-GPS, just wondered what the second one was for as its not in the offical htc rom

As I have understood HTC pages :
"Quick GPS for Pocket PC from the HTC Corporation is included in the Windows Mobile 6 cusom build. Quick GPS can speed up the amount of time for determining a users GPS position by downloading the latest satellite information via an Internet Connection (such as GPRS, ActiveSync, etc). Quick GPS is intended for use in conjunction with Telenav but will provide the same experience if a customer is using another GPS Solution. "
And Wiki concerning A-GPS:
"An A-GPS system can address these problems in several ways, using an assistance server or other data from a network".
Quick GPS = A-GPS since both use the same principle i.e. downloading info about satellites via internet through GPRS, Wi-Fi if available etc.

Kajmaj said:
Quick GPS = A-GPS since both use the same principle i.e. downloading info about satellites via internet through GPRS, Wi-Fi if available etc.
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i thought as much, those crazy orange people having two programs for the same thing lol thanks for clearing that up

I believe it's not equivalent.
For what I understand, Quick GPS uses general satellite tables, which are downloaded every week.
The a-gps is more precise : you download the satellite tables which are calculated for the BTS (radio antenna) you are connected to, so it is very precise. It's quite impressive: wherever I am, I am able to get a cold fix in 10 to 15 seconds..
Well it's what I have understood of the system....

hello friend i have 3 htc jade 100 blocke in phone off ( telephone desactivé)
when i fin this htc . i flash with rom from web site www.htc.com
i trey to active but stell the sam problemm
how to fix this problemme plz help

xsat2010 said:
hello friend i have 3 htc jade 100 blocke in phone off ( telephone desactivé)
when i fin this htc . i flash with rom from web site www.htc.com
i trey to active but stell the sam problemm
how to fix this problemme plz help
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i think you should start by creating a new thread in the right section
could be a problem with the radio rom or a hardware problem

gomifromparis said:
I believe it's not equivalent.
For what I understand, Quick GPS uses general satellite tables, which are downloaded every week.
The a-gps is more precise : you download the satellite tables which are calculated for the BTS (radio antenna) you are connected to, so it is very precise. It's quite impressive: wherever I am, I am able to get a cold fix in 10 to 15 seconds..
Well it's what I have understood of the system....
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never noticed this reply last time i checked , where is my head lol
that sounds about right, as a-gps never used the data connection and in my case (on o2-uk using a orange rom on a orange branded device) it would make sense that the a-gps data would of been avalible on the orange network and not on o2, and thats why i could not get a fix with it enabled
thanks for the precise answer gomifromparis

[Q] Newbie from Aotearoa(nz)

Kia ora koutou
As stated 'Newbie', I have just started to learn about modds/roms .... etc
My first attempt turned my Apache in to a 'brick'
I have started on my Vogue and upgraded to WM6.1 which was an update from Telecom nz.
I also upgraded the radio to Bell 3.42.50 for gps purposes as I was told that was the one to use.
What else do I need to do to utilise the gps, also if anyone knows where I can source nz maps to add.
My next attempt will be to upgrade to WM6.5 ..... but I still need to read more and gather the appropriate cab files for the process.
The main purpose was to upgrade and to initiate the gps capabilities of the phone.
The cdma network here in Aoteaoa(nz) will be terminated by Telecom nz by 2012.
So once the cdma network is terminated can the gps still work or not, can the phone be switched to gsm?
Naku noa
terrormist

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No you cannot switch to GSM because assuming you have the cdma version there is no GSM chip.
I have no experience with GPS(never use it)
I would assume so because GPS should work independently of the cellular network if it works via satellite but like I said I dont use it

Hi ,
I'm from NZ and have been using okta touch with GPS. even on the original Telecom ROM.
you can get the garmin que program from the garmin web site and use maps from nzopengps.org.
use the below site for setup and use the nzopengps maps instead of the malaysian ones
malsingmaps.com/wiki/index.php?title=PocketPC_Setup_Guide_to_use_Malsing_maps
hope this helps

another good one is navicomputer

As stated above, you cannot run a CDMA phone in a GSM network since the hardware is different (you cannot put a SIM card in the phone).
There are a bunch of good GPS programs out there (TomTom, Navigon, iGo, GoogleMaps, Bing, etc). You have to try and see which one you will like best, that is all.

true, i'm sure they are all good but the benefit of the garmin program is that in NZ we get free map updates from nzopengps.org which is community developed. also it is fully auto routing.

nz gps
nigelmidds said:
another good one is navicomputer
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Tried navicomputer .... but have since removed it from phone.

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nigelmidds said:
Hi ,
I'm from NZ and have been using okta touch with GPS. even on the original Telecom ROM.
you can get the garmin que program from the garmin web site and use maps from nzopengps.org.
use the below site for setup and use the nzopengps maps instead of the malaysian ones
malsingmaps.com/wiki/index.php?title=PocketPC_Setup_Guide_to_use_Malsing_maps
hope this helps
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Will try this on my other Vogue phone(this is the phone I use to test apps/software before I use it on my main Vogue), I have iGO8 running on my Vogue at the moment but does anyone know how to change the resolution?. The actual iGO8 Res is too oversized for the Vogue

gps nz
nigelmidds said:
Hi ,
I'm from NZ and have been using okta touch with GPS. even on the original Telecom ROM.
you can get the garmin que program from the garmin web site and use maps from nzopengps.org.
use the below site for setup and use the nzopengps maps instead of the malaysian ones
malsingmaps.com/wiki/index.php?title=PocketPC_Setup_Guide_to_use_Malsing_maps
hope this helps
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the link above is it active