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60 Day old Orange M3100 DEAD

I bought my Orange M3100 about 60 days ago and it has been working well until today. Last night I plugged it in to get charged and this morning I noticed that my alarm didn't go off. When I looked at the phone I saw that the charge light on the phone was red; I had never seen it red befor. When I tried to turn on the phone....Nothing, I tried to do a soft reset, hard reset, remove the battery and the sim card put them all back in....still nothing.
I tried hooking it up to the computer, car charger, wall charger and still nothing. The only time i get anything is when i plug it into power and even then the only thing i get is a red LED light at the top of the phone.
Does anybody have any ideas as to how to fix it??
I really appreciate any help as I paid $575 for this phone 2 months ago.
Thanks,
David

bigtal said:
I bought my Orange M3100 about 60 days ago and it has been working well until today. Last night I plugged it in to get charged and this morning I noticed that my alarm didn't go off. When I looked at the phone I saw that the charge light on the phone was red; I had never seen it red befor. When I tried to turn on the phone....Nothing, I tried to do a soft reset, hard reset, remove the battery and the sim card put them all back in....still nothing.
I tried hooking it up to the computer, car charger, wall charger and still nothing. The only time i get anything is when i plug it into power and even then the only thing i get is a red LED light at the top of the phone.
Does anybody have any ideas as to how to fix it??
I really appreciate any help as I paid $575 for this phone 2 months ago.
Thanks,
David
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There have been other instances of this problem. I had it once and it eventually came back after lots of fiddling. The last thing I did was to leave the battery out for half an hour - whether it was this that corrected fault I don't know. The issue ssems to be around the battery or circuit that monitors battery. I've not heard a definitive solution other that time!!
Edit: Also not unique to Hermes - seen this on several other phones PDA or otherwise.
Mike

Thanks for responding. I will try that now and let you know if it worked.
**Keeping my fingures crossed**

This happened to a wizard. really frustrating. I just had to exchange. But my m3100 ha sissues charging. sometimes when I plug it in it will behave like it is not plugged in. I fiddle with the plug and wiggle it and nothihng. let it sit and then on comes the charge light...but then some times it goes out. really wonky and scary cause I too paide 650 for my hermes and can't ecahnge it with my provider

Well I waited only 30 min and that didn't work...I will try 2 hours and hope it fixes the problem....

bigtal said:
Well I waited only 30 min and that didn't work...I will try 2 hours and hope it fixes the problem....
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Darn!!
Curiously had this exact issue with a cheap office mobile a few weeks ago. Nothing would work. As it was chaep I took it apart- nothing loose or such like, put it back together and worked straight off. Not that I'm suggesting you try that!
I still think it will come good but what a frustrating wait. One post I saw was from someone whose TyTN never charged from the day he got it. How's your warranty/guarantee situation?
Mike

Well I am in the US and I bought it from a guy in the UK. I have sent him an email but didn't get a response. I am not sure if Orange in the UK will honor the warranty. As I said it is only 60 days old.
It is very weird. I think I will go to my local Cingular store and try a new battery, maybe that will help. I would rather it be a battery issue than something with the phone itself.

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Well I am in the US and I bought it from a guy in the UK. I have sent him an email but didn't get a response. I am not sure if Orange in the UK will honor the warranty. As I said it is only 60 days old.
It is very weird. I think I will go to my local Cingular store and try a new battery, maybe that will help. I would rather it be a battery issue than something with the phone itself.
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Sounds like a good idea. (guy in the UK - not a scotsman I hope!!)
Check this link. I know he's talking about car charger but the bit about having charger plugged in whilst soft re-setting might be interesting. Second last post page one:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=277742&highlight=reset
EDIT Just tried having mine plugged into charger and removed battery. Light instantly goes red. Suggests your problem most likely battery and not device. Might be worth trying also taking battery in and out whilst connected to charger.
Mike

Mike - Thank you for your help in this issue and the suggestions....looks like we are getting closer to a solution.
I don't have my wall charger here at work but i connected it to the PC USB cable while the battery was OUT, then I poped the battery in and the red light changed to Amber to indicate it is charging. The phone powered up after a soft reset. The battery shows 0% charge even though it was plugged in all of last night. It now seems to be charging, I will wait to see if the battery holds the charge or not.
Now I don't know if the problem is with the battery, charger, or phone
I guess I will be able to narrow it down in a few hours and see if the battery holds a charge.

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Mike - Thank you for your help in this issue and the suggestions....looks like we are getting closer to a solution.
I don't have my wall charger here at work but i connected it to the PC USB cable while the battery was OUT, then I poped the battery in and the red light changed to Amber to indicate it is charging. The phone powered up after a soft reset. The battery shows 0% charge even though it was plugged in all of last night. It now seems to be charging, I will wait to see if the battery holds the charge or not.
Now I don't know if the problem is with the battery, charger, or phone
I guess I will be able to narrow it down in a few hours and see if the battery holds a charge.
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Brilliant!!!
Sounds good. so the secret here maybe, taking battery out and in whilst connected to charger or usb?
I'm confident it will hold charge and things will be fine as mine is.
Like I said earlier it takes time and in the end it works fine again, BUT what precisely caused it to work again so we can help others? Because like me you've tried quite a few things.
Mike

I just hope that this will not be a regular issue.
What finally worked was:
1) Remove battery
2) Connect phone to charger or USB (USB in my case)
3) Insert the battery while phone is connected to charger
4) Red light should turn Amber
5) Soft Reset
In the 20 minutes or so that it has been charging the battery went from 0% to 10%

bigtal said:
I just hope that this will not be a regular issue.
What finally worked was:
1) Remove battery
2) Connect phone to charger or USB (USB in my case)
3) Insert the battery while phone is connected to charger
4) Red light should turn Amber
5) Soft Reset
In the 20 minutes or so that it has been charging the battery went from 0% to 10%
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That sounds positive. Well if my experience is anything to go by I've only had it once in 4-5 months.
With your permission I think this may be worth a spot on the Wiki. I'd be happy to use your points above and also Cieplowski's points which appear similar but have a couple of other observations, and put these up as potential answers to this not uncommon issue.
I would not do this until over the weekend just to see how you get on, though I have every confidence.
Mike

I think putting it on the wiki would be an excellent idea.
Right now it is at 70% charge so things are looking good....
I will post back on Monday and let you know how the weekend went
Thanks again,
Dave

Wizard is dead...

Hello everyone!
Lately I installed Molski's ROM (3.0.0.0) and it worked 2 days without any problems. I had to recharge the battery. I used usb to charge Wizard as I sometimes do without any problems. Wizard was On up to 30% battery, After that I switch it off to recharge it through the whole night. Led indicator was orange. In the morning there was no greed led indicator. Computer was still working correctly. I was trying to switch the Wizard on but I can't!! It can't be switch on?? Why?
I have tried several different methods to switch it on. I also checked the usb cable and it is working..
Do you have any suggestions what happened? What is wrong with Wizard??
Daniel

I think you have an empty battery now. I don't know how it happened, but you can't charge an empty battery through USB. Try using the wall-charger. When it doesn't turn on immediately try again in a few hours (keep the charger attached).

me too! using the molski rom..
My wizard is now dead. cannot flash/recharge or boot.
I tried the usb lead 'jumpstart' trick and leaving it plugged in overnight.
the battery seems fine (with a voltmeter)
any ideas?

No RGB screen?

yup, nothing. nada.
my current theory is that the battery completely discharged, now it won't turn on and charge. I tried the 'usb' hotwire trick, and saw a glint of hope(screen came on for a brief moment), but it still won't power on. I've ordered a battery and desktop charger and i'll see if that works.
is it possible that the molski rom somehow disabled the auto-off at low battery feature. That would explain things. the wizard is supposed to refuse to turn on before it hits 0%.

recharge the battery on other wizard
let your wizard in Bootloader mode:
[Camera] + [Soft reset]
plug usb then start the original update
it work in sha'a allah

declared dead. tried a new fully charged battery, plus the old battery charged in a desktop charger. doesn't boot or enter bootloader and cannot be hardreset.
the only glimmer of life is that the backlight and power light flicker when the battery is _removed_, but only if you press the power button before removal.
strange considering it was working fine. i guess it's a brick.

wanna sell me your brick for $10?

i will buy your brick for $15

shogunmark said:
i will buy your brick for $15
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okay i'll give you $20 for ur brick.

hiimcliff said:
okay i'll give you $20 for ur brick.
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How can you be so cruel? the guy just lost his friend!!!
I will buy your brick for 30$

unfortunately it's a brick full of my personal information!

alexjlee said:
unfortunately it's a brick full of my personal information!
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its cool. if its a brick you won't have to worry. the parts are still good though. pm me if you wish to sell.

dead wizard
About 3 weeks ago my wizard did exactly the same, tried new batteries, different chargers etc. Nothing. Best I got was as described above was the occaisional flash of the screen.
Fortunately for me the wizard was about 14 months old and I thought was out of warranty. T-mobile (UK) were helpful enough but wouldn't take the phone but gave me the contact for HTC Europe as the phone has a 2 year warranty (in the UK). Took a little effort to get through to them but they repaired phone (replaced mainboard) and returned. Yippee for me! All I can suggest is that you see if HTC have a local office to you and speak to them.
Note - I didn't have any homecooked ROM! Just the usual updates.

Mine died (slipped into a coma?) on Friday, couldn't force it to startup using any of the standard methods - took it into the O2 shop, and they took it in the back, and made it restart. I think they tried a bunch of different chargers, but they weren't at all surprised to deal with it, and i got the impression it's not an unusual task.

HELP battery 100% dead, wont charge!

i was working today and the phone died on me. Havent charged it in days. I came home, tried to turn it on real quick, and it turned on and then off before it booted up, then i was like ah hell ill plug it in. plugged it in it started to boot so i went to wash my car. hour and a half later i came back to grab my phone and its dead. no light, no anything, just dead, unplug it, tried to start it. dead. nothing, no light. I thought ok, cable broke. so its plugged into my laptop via usb and still dead. any ideas? its flashed with wm6 im leaving the country monday and i need this working!!!

I've had this problem before. I just left it plugged in and eventually (after a few hours) it started charging.

Are you using the original MDA charger? I had a similar problem when using a motorola charger...

Wizard situation: worse then a coma and maybe better than dead... But doesn't turn on

Hi there,
First I apologize about my poor English, I am Brazilian and should speak portuguese, but this is the best forum ever... so I'll try my English
My story:
Four days ago my 1,5 years old 9100 running the WM6 NTS was working perfectly, the best device I ever had. But, at night, I removed the battery to get the SIM card and then I put the battery back but did not turn on the phone. I used the SIM card in another phone during the night. I was afraid to lost it.
In the morning, I removed the battery again, put back the SIM card and then the battery. When I tried to turn it on, nothing happened, just like as if it was without any power. I was surprised, because I had fully charged the battery in the night before and before I first remove the battery, it was about 80% of power. So, I decided to try to recharge again, but there was no lights on. I left it charging for about 10 minutes and got nothing.
So, as I was leaving home, I put the 9100 in my pocket, after a few minutes I tried to turn it on again and it worked. The battery meter was showing about 80%.
Ok then… It worked well on Monday. But when I woke up yesterday morning (Tuesday), the phone seemed to have self-restarted during the night. So, I typed my password and it started working well again. I checked the battery meter and it was showing about 40% of charge. After a few minutes the phone seems to be totally dead. I tried to charge it again and after 2 hours I got nothing, it was still dead, did not turn on and there were no lights on.
Later on that day, I got a multi-meter and checked the battery tension. With the positive on my left I could check that measuring the power with the wires on the 1st “slot” and on the 3rd on, I get 3.47V. Measuring the 1st with the 4th I get 3.63V and measuring the 1st with the 5th or 6th I get 3.75V. Check what I mean at http://webtennis.rg3.com.br/qtek_9100/battery.gif.
I tried to remove the battery, then put it back and then turn it on again… It started, but in a few seconds, when was showing the OS, SPL, etc… it went off. I tried that again; it started, loaded the OS and went off. Once again I tried this, but with the power cable on, so it started but in seconds was off again.
So I thought “that might be a bug, maybe if I run the update utility it will work”. I started the phone in the bootloader mode, but before I connect the USB cable and start the RUU the 9100 went off. A few more times tring to remove the battery and starting it again, it went off and never came back again!!
I plugged the power cable on the wall and on the phone and there were no lights on, but I could feel the battery a bit warmer, just like it used to get. I left on the wall all night long and today in the morning still nothing. I removed the battery for about 30 minutes and got nothing, neither the screen with the OS, SPL, IPL…
Now I am despaired, don’t know what to do, no clues. I am in Brazil and don’t know where I can take to be repaired and have no plans to get back to Canada or Europe for the next 3 months.
Can you help me with this problem? I love my phone and want it working again.
Thanks for all your help.

Battery problem...?
It seems as thought you may be having a problem with your battery, not your phone. Try buying a battery off eBay, they are pretty cheap, and that should tell you what the problem actually is.
Or if you know anyone that has a wizard, try your battery in their device. If the problem is still appearing, then you will know that you just need a new battery.

Battery or charger ?
I agree with zakhir_n, it sounds like a battery issue not the phone. My friends MDA battery died after 2 months of use, so you can never be sure. We swapped batteries and revealed it was his battery not taking a charge.
Next check that you are using the original charger. I went away on business and grabbed the nearest charger for my 8125. Needless to say I grabbed a Motorola charger and it refused to charge the dead battery. Make sure you have the original charger, as it MUST say 1000ma or 1Amp output on the plug. The Motorola one I used was only 500ma or .5Amp and it was unable to recharge a dead 8125 (MDA) battery.

New status: WORKING
Hi there,
Thanks for all the posts.
Well, I checked my charger and it is a 1A 5V and my battery gets 100% of charge.
This is what I did:
Fully charged the battery, removed it for about 1 day an then I turned it on. Surprise!!! It was working and worked for 20 minutes and went off again e seemed to be dead.
Once more I the same thing but this time I flashed it with an official ROM. Fully charged the battery and removed for about 1 day. When I tried to turn it on, it worked as it was new.
So I flashed it with the WM6 Core 2.0n. It worked perfectly. When the battery got 80% of power, it restarted itself for several tines.
Now I bought a new battery and it is working very well, no problems till now. Guess you were right… I really had to change the battery.
Thanks for all the help and sorry about my English!!!
Regards,
Arthur

Nooooooooooooooooooooo
Hi there… Got the worst birthday present ever!!! Today I woke up and my QTek 9100 wasn’t working.
I got a new battery, when I put it on my phone it was 54% of charge. I used it till it gets 13%, then I fully charged it with my computer’s USB cable. Used the phone for 1 day and the battery was again around 80% of charge (just like the other time). I put it on “flight mode” went to sleep. When I woke up……. it was not working anymore, I put back the old battery and got nothing.
Now it is with the new battery being charged with my wall charger (1A 5V), but there is no lights on.
I already tried to run the WM5, tried a new WM6, checked the charger, replaced the battery and none of this seems to solve my problem… Do you know what more I could try? Do you know where I can send it to fix in Brazil?
I don’t know what to do… I already sent e-mails to QTek and to HTC and after 1 week got no answer…
Thanks for all the help!!!

WIZ don`t power up

I though my battery died so I bought new one, but it doesn`t respond also.
On friday there was problem with display and device automaticaly restarted
I opened it and something like this is not connected anywhere. I can`t see anything in service manual like that. Do you know what is it and where it suppose to be connected ?

That's a holder for the stylus.
There's a small screw that goes through it when it's in place and it holds the stylus from falling. It's very easy to place it back!

xusso said:
That's a holder for the stylus.
There's a small screw that goes through it when it's in place and it holds the stylus from falling. It's very easy to place it back!
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Ok, thanks, so it`s not for battery so my wizard is dead definitely

It may not be your battery!
I had my wizard die in much the same manner as your's. I thought it was a gonner until I ran across a site somewhere with a whole group of people with the same problem with their wizard. I'm only guessing, but I think you let your battery run very low and the device shut down, which is alright, until you consider that it cannot charge without the operating system (Windows)
up and running! I had to cut the mini end of a usb to mini usb cable, strip the black and red wires and hold the black to the negative pole of the battery and the red to the positive pole while it was plugged into the usb port on the desktop computer for about 20-30 seconds. Then replaced the battery in the phone, booted windows and recharged with the home charger. It worked great, but now I carry a fully charged battery with me, in case it happens again and I,m out somewhere where I can't jump start the battery with the cable trick. I think this method is also mentioned somwhere on this site. Good luck and let me know if it works.......

Oh. I also though it is the problem with charging, but the night before my battery was fully loaded and in the morning the phone died without possibility to boot up. two days later I`ve buy the new battery and put into the Wiz...nothing.
I asked salesmen if it`s possible that the new battery is charged under possibility of the phone, but he said it`s definitely not. So I suspect that something happened to the hardware.
I`ve tried connecting USB directly to the battery also, before I buing new one, but it also didn`t worked for me.
Before it completely died there was several hangups on today screen and once even on the booting splash screen, with the strange situation where the radio ROM was not displayed at all :/ ??
After this several reboot sesions it has not started again.

I didn't catch the whole story from the beginning, but did you drop the Wiz? I dropped mine, and I am going through the same exact thing with the Radio not showing up. Mine only gets to the first splash screen, and enters an endless reboot loop.
If we can find a solution to this problem, I'd DEFINITELY love it. Until then, I'll still be sad.
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Oh. I also though it is the problem with charging, but the night before my battery was fully loaded and in the morning the phone died without possibility to boot up. two days later I`ve buy the new battery and put into the Wiz...nothing.
I asked salesmen if it`s possible that the new battery is charged under possibility of the phone, but he said it`s definitely not. So I suspect that something happened to the hardware.
I`ve tried connecting USB directly to the battery also, before I buing new one, but it also didn`t worked for me.
Before it completely died there was several hangups on today screen and once even on the booting splash screen, with the strange situation where the radio ROM was not displayed at all :/ ??
After this several reboot sesions it has not started again.
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Hi there,
As you can see I'm very new to this forum but I too have just come across this problem this morning.
My battery was fully charged yesterday and I had my alarm set to wake me up this morning but it did not go off. I checked and it was all set ok so I did a soft reboot. It hasn't come on since. A took out the battery for a while and it managed to boot up to the WM6 screen but then switched off.
Now it seems the device doesnt even switch on
IPL/SPL 2.22.002 (I think from memory)
OS 6.0xxx
Running the TNT rom not sure what version (was ebayed)

Have you plugged it in through the wall, and not the PC? Somehow mine came back to life this morning, all I did was plug it into the wall AC power WITHOUT a SIM card, and it booted like normal first try.
Madlew said:
Hi there,
As you can see I'm very new to this forum but I too have just come across this problem this morning.
My battery was fully charged yesterday and I had my alarm set to wake me up this morning but it did not go off. I checked and it was all set ok so I did a soft reboot. It hasn't come on since. A took out the battery for a while and it managed to boot up to the WM6 screen but then switched off.
Now it seems the device doesnt even switch on
IPL/SPL 2.22.002 (I think from memory)
OS 6.0xxx
Running the TNT rom not sure what version (was ebayed)
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