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Hi guys. I post quite a bit in the Blue Angel section of this forum.
My BA is probably the worst device I have ever used in terms of both software and hardware issues. I'm surprised they're allowed to sell it.
My question is, Are there any common problems with the iMate Jam?
Like anything alot of these devices suffer from? 76% of BAs have the 'no sound in call' problem, and alot seem to have the whictling screen/serious bluetooth issues. Anything like this on the Magician I should know about before buying?
Cheers -Mike
Hi, ive had my Jam since middle of jan 2005, and my GF got one soon after so i have had two to play around with, and ive been reading forums fairly extensively since then. I have used roms 1.03, 1.06, 1.11 and i am now runnin 1.12 without any major problems. i have seen a few people complain of various sound issues, which I believe are either a hardware fault (such as a loose mic), or are resolved with Roms 1.11 or 1.12, or even just a hard reset (i have experienced low volume from loud speaker which was solved by a hard reset). Alot of people complain of the not reconnecting gprs issue which i have also experienced on roms 1.11 and 1.12 (it was one of the deciding factors for me upgrading to 1.12) it seems to happen where it tries to send two connections at once and times it self out, I find it to be intermittent, and resolved with a soft reset. Bluetooth has been more troublesome I must say and I only use it for handsfree, so I cant comment on AS connections. I use Buzz_Lightyears SwitchIT software (Buzz you RULE) to turn my BT on/off from my today screen. ROM 1.06 had major issues with BT and required a patch, which helped somewhat with the issue. roms 1.11 and 1.12 very occasionly have issues with BT which again are usually sorted with a soft reset, and once working will stay working untill a soft reset causes them to not work, and a another soft reset is required. BT has issues with being out of sync with the GSM radio i find eg. if BT is on while the radio is off and i soft reset i usually get an issue with BT. Photo Caller ID is intermittent i find, which is possibly because of having the photos in storage space, I'm not really sure and to be honest is not a huge problem anyway.
So yeah there is common problems across the Jam/magician range. however I love my Jam and wouldn't swap it for any other device on the market because for a convergence device which runs an MS operating system (blue screen of death!!! MS are far from perfect) I find 98% of the time its stable and does more then I need. is it perfect??...no, should it be?? we all wish...
Cheers dude! I think I will get one. So long as we're not into Blue Angel territory of 5 soft resets required a day, no sound during calls, random hard resets and bluetooth when it feels like it.
OOH, whats the battery life like?
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OOH, whats the battery life like?
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well Imate manual reckons talk-time of 3-5 hours, 190 hours standby, and once it switchs off with flat battery warning you got 72 hours before it hard resets . anyway heavy use will see you charging it at the end of the day (I usually just sync when i get home). with a few short calls over a weekend it will usually last the weekend. And as your probably aware li-ion batteries like to be charged.
Speedn
As expected I suppose. I don't understand why HTC devices have such turd battery life compared to sony ericsson devices and such.
Does anyone know if it takes Blue Angel handsfree or Himilaya handsfree?
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As expected I suppose. I don't understand why HTC devices have such turd battery life compared to sony ericsson devices and such.
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It's like comparing an Toyota Prius to a Porsche (the Ericsson being the Prius). They both do the job with style, and they are both fine technical achievements. But one of them will drain your gas account a little bit faster than the other.
Hi, ive had my Jam since middle of jan 2005, and my GF got one soon after so i have had two to play around with, and ive been reading forums fairly extensively.......................................................I find 98% of the time its stable and does more then I need. is it perfect??...no, should it be?? we all wish...
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Totally agree...
to mike
If u know how to tweak ur magician and deal with it..it will turn into a killer device...
even with the bad quality of the camera, U can manage to take great photos... and with some phtotoshop editing they will be really awesome..
battery life us very good...especially when listening to MP3s ( basically, it consumes 10% of the battery for every hour with the screen off, and using high quality headset)
I use my JAM mainly as MP3 player and a medical reference
BT is good for sending files only as well as hands-free, other profiles are not available...
memory isn't that small, with the proper tweaking, u can get up to 32 MB of free RAM after a soft reset....of course compared to ur Blue Angel, this is very low, but I believe it is more than enough for me -as a JAM user -
if u need to know any thing else, please ask
cheers :wink:
I'm very happy with my O2 Xda II mini. It does everything I need it to do. I have not had any sound problems at all. The only issue I had after a ROM upgrade was the GPRS cannot connect problem, which has now been resolved by downgrading just the CallerID program.
Aside from that, I feel it is a killer device.
Cheers for all the help guys!! I really appreciate it. Think I'll give the magician a go
About Magician Probs
For the list of probs, I get two number for incoming calls: the caller and a private number?!? But this is just a very little prob.
In a thread I've described that my magician simply won't start when is cold. COULD SOMEONE TRY THIS MESS IS SERIOUS!!!
And for the prob of the GPRS: ok, but I don't have CallerID and DON'T want to install it. MUST I install I to eliminate this prob?
I love my magician. Is my wonder machine...
If you do not stop the extrom from installing after a hardreset, CallerId will be automatically installed on your device. For some reason HTC have chosen to name the link in the start menu "Photo Contacts" instead of CallerId.
If you want a more Blue Angel like device (with regards to size and features of the Blue Angel) I would recommend the Alpine. I'm personally not using it because I prefer the smaller size of the Magician but the Alpine is full featured and from what I read from some other users in germany, almost bug free. Especially bluetooth is said to work great, better than (and with more profiles due to the Widcomm stack) the Microsoft Stack of the Magician. It also features the 1,3 MPix camera, a good display, WLan and a faster processor (500 MHz). If you prefer the bigger devices and don't need the keyboard, I think the Alpine rocks.
I've had the Orange SPV M500 variant for about a week now and it's been absolutely flawless.
No no, I decided to skip the installation of CallerID (in the italian devices is called Identità Visitatore -huh?-) but I'm not sure if it's needed to resolve the GPRS prob -downgrading-
Oh, I've got another prob: u MUST know a good program like MortRing to set the ringtone OR windows keep resetting to the standard one.
There are plenty of little probs: to set up the jam correctly, there is the need of a decent regedit and personal experience...
I know the great majority of you chaps think it's wonderful, so please don't take this as a trolling, it's just my opinion.
I've had the orange m500 for 5 days now, and I've had enough. As a windows pda it's fine. Quick, small, nice screen, decent battery life.
As a phone it is awful. The whole interface seems like such an afterthought. You would imagine that it would be easy enough to do basic phone things without having to take the stylus out, but you can't. For example, if you go into the contact book, then click on a contact but get the wrong one, there is no way to go back up a level using hardkeys. You have to click the X in the top corner, which is fiddly to say the least.
That's just one small problem I've had out of quite a few, but it's become quickly obvious to me that a quick and easy-to-use phone is more important to me than an all-singing windows pda, so I have arranged to return it. If your priorities are similar to mine, I would urge you to look elsewhere.
you should try "mamaich's contacts", adds a contact button right to the phone dial pad, and lets you use HW joypad to scroll through your contacts and pages...Its like the missing link I swear. true one handed dialing.
it's found on this board, and is free.
Speedn
Help me please!! The 'Phone Pad' input method will not work for my xda exec. When selecting it, it stays on keyboard method (or reverts to it if it was on, say, transcriber or block recognizer mothod) Does anyone else have the same problem? My hunch is that it's a bug which will affect some but not all, depending on the ROM version you are running. Could anyone who owns one do a quick test and let me know. I tried both soft and hard reset, no solution with either. Thanks.
Just tried it...wouldn't change to phonepad as well. But after a soft reset, it worked.
its a bug,
workaround , if all else fails soft reset.
change to portrait.
select a different keyboard option not phone one. exit app. goto app and now try - it works 6/10.
I have the same problem...
Don't want to go off on a rant here, but I have pretty strong feelings about a device that gets released with such an obvious bug with such a key piece of functionality. I'm pretty sure it's a memory issue - with a fresh personal install (i.e. with O2 active running - O2's recommended install), the phonepad works until I soft-reset the device ONCE. Then it fails to open and I can't get the work-around to work. I can reproduce this again and again.
Are there others, or is it just me who gets offended when I get charged money for something that is so obviously broken?
@daveb1976, I'm with you on this. I suspect I paid even more as I have a JJ and they are more expensive than the O2 Execs. Having used Nokia, SE and Palm devices I've got a good idea of what one should expect of new devices and I have to say the JJ reminds of the SE P800 - this was an innovative and high profile product three years ago but it was not complete in many areas (but most s/w issues were fixed after about 6 months)
Yup. I appreciate that it's a new device, and I do expect that there will be kinks. But one of 5 input methods simply not working is not a "kink". Besides, unless I'm wrong this is part of WM2005 which is version FIVE of the OS. Oh well, I bought one, so I guess I'm as guilty as the next guy when it comes to putting up with MS's rediculously low quality standards.
The workaround worked once but now I can't get it to work again. I've also noticed another strange bug. Try this....When downloading a couple of new today page themes (from the microsoft pocket pc site) and copying them into my windows folder, I was pleased to see they were available when I went to settings/today menu. However, choose any of them and the things slows up ridiculously, fails to display any contacts at all and won't select task manager (I was going there to try and shut some things down because of the speed problem).
Only a soft reset will bring things back to normal. I agree with the posts by daveb and jah, it's not acceptable to charge top notch prices for new contracts and upgrades (I was the latter incidentally, at a cool £229.99 to upgrade)
Anyway, I'm not prepared to live with it for that price so I'm calling them now. I'm on 8 days since I received it but the 14 day thing is irrelevant if the goods aren't working right? What do you guys think?
I'm looking for a hefty credit to my account to offset the upgrade price or a different handset and my 229.99 back. It's a shame as I love the 3G and wireless capabilities but it may be a case of releasing it a few months too soon, for O2 at least. They have probably been concentrating their efforts on yesterdays takeover!
Anyway, I'll post back with my result.
I got the same problem,
Beside, I can't change today backgronf theme in this Exec.
Any new upgrade for O2 Exec ?
Somebody said that "Phonepad" problem for O2 Exec is a bug and a new version will be out soon and the problem should be gone.
Anybody get the upgrade yet ?
Any new upgrade for O2 Exec ?
Somebody said that "Phonepad" problem for O2 Exec is a bug and a new version will be out soon and the problem should be gone.
Anybody get the upgrade yet ?
2 days ago my Vodafone V1605 (HTC 1.35.255.2 ROM) started to exhibit a strange problem in that programs would just close themselves.
Phone would work fine for a few minutes after reset, then if I started an application the app would close itself, even if I select the Start button the menu would just disappear.
I reset, hard reset, removed SD card, still same problem even with no SD card and no third pary apps, also removed battery overnight.
Just flashed back to original Vodafone ROM (1.20.161.6) and still the same problem.
Has anyone come across this before as I am at a loss to fix it, could it be a strange hardware issue?
Any help appreciated!
Hi skearon unfortunately it sounds like you have the screen alignment issue, my orange m3100 had the exact same symptoms. I found if I took the battery out for a while and put the phone in a cool place it would work ok for about 2mins then the same things would start happening, try contact vodafone for a warranty claim if you can.
to check if it is the SA issue use the few minutes that the phone works ok to go to the screen alignment applet in settings, continual run this and see if the screen goes out of alignment.
There are possible fixes in the wiki but the best bet is to get it fixed by vodafone.
Orange refered me to HTC vodafone will probably do the same.
Good luck
Rob
skearon said:
2 days ago my Vodafone V1605 (HTC 1.35.255.2 ROM) started to exhibit a strange problem in that programs would just close themselves.
Phone would work fine for a few minutes after reset, then if I started an application the app would close itself, even if I select the Start button the menu would just disappear.
I reset, hard reset, removed SD card, still same problem even with no SD card and no third pary apps, also removed battery overnight.
Just flashed back to original Vodafone ROM (1.20.161.6) and still the same problem.
Has anyone come across this before as I am at a loss to fix it, could it be a strange hardware issue?
Any help appreciated!
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Hi skearon unfortunately it sounds like you have the screen alignment issue, my orange m3100 had the exact same symptoms. I found if I took the battery out for a while and put the phone in a cool place it would work ok for about 2mins then the same things would start happening, try contact vodafone for a warranty claim if you can.
to check if it is the SA issue use the few minutes that the phone works ok to go to the screen alignment applet in settings, continual run this and see if the screen goes out of alignment.
There are possible fixes in the wiki but the best bet is to get it fixed by vodafone.
Orange refered me to HTC vodafone will probably do the same.
Good luck
Rob
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Thanks for the quick reply Rob, not the news I wanted but at least I'm not alone!
I also noticed that after installing mButton that the apps aren't closed they are still running in the background plus if I open the keyboard the system goes mad with the start menu appearing and disappearing all the time.
As it works for a while after being switched off, is it a heat related problem?
Possibly not directly the SA problem but related though. Some hermes are very sensitive to the expansion caused by heat put in pressure on the screen digitizer and sometimes like yours putting pressure on the screen - leading to phantom taps on the screen. i.e. when you open keyboard a bit of pressre in the wrong place and a menu can appear and disappear and programmes close by themselves. Whether the screen is also misaligned is pot luck but it has the same cause.
Rob61280's advice is absolutely right get it replaced under warranty rather than trying the fixes because you have the more serious problem and it's more than just pure SA issue.
Mike
Vodafone Ireland's response is "we are aware of the problem and are awaiting a software upgrade from the manufacturer"
Does anyone have a good web link that definately points to a hardware problem, ideally from another Vodafone company?
My V1605 has HTC's 1.35.255.2 ROM installed (but didn't tell Vodafone IE that!)
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Vodafone Ireland's response is "we are aware of the problem and are awaiting a software upgrade from the manufacturer"
Does anyone have a good web link that definately points to a hardware problem, ideally from another Vodafone company?
My V1605 has HTC's 1.35.255.2 ROM installed (but didn't tell Vodafone IE that!)
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see here, unfortunately applies to HTC TyTns but since HTC, the manufacturer admit the issue then this must be good ammunition against Vodaphone. It would be good if you can also show the more obvious SA problem as well as the closing programme matter, as this shows a more direct connection to the HTC statement.
If you can show the more straightforward SA issue then Vodaphone cannot claim a ROM issue. A simple google search will throw up tons of references to it being a hardware matter. In addition other suppliers HTC included are exchanging these with few questions asked.
Might also be helpful if someone can post a link to the original HTC statement.
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Hermes_Problems
Mike
Thanks guys for the advice, Vodafone IE have agreed to replace the unit so fingers crossed for a good one next time
Update: Vodafone IE have agreed to collect the faulty unit but are now saying it will be some weeks before I get a replacement as they are waiting for new ones from HTC :-(
PLease NEed Serious Help
Today i have been having the same reported problem with my 1 month old v1605. The thing is i bought this over ebay. I live in Malta and vodafone malta does not sell this phone. I bought this phone from an ebay seller in the Uk.
What can i do to have this fixed under warranty any suggestions please??
Thanks in Advance
Ken
Yep. I have had this problem too. And my TyTN is not the first problematic lot.
I installed magicbutton and, everytime when I open new apps, others closed.
But reading this topic, I realigned the screen (just one time) and everthing is fine now.
I've got a bit of an odd issue with an XDA Trion/Hermes -
Basically no matter what ROM I use (WM5/WM6/Cooked) after installing a few apps (doesn't matter which ones - I've tried all kinds of combinations) when I do a soft reset the device will boot back up and hang at the Windows Mobile splash screen. If I hard reset the device functions fine again until I load some stuff on it. I've also seen it do this without anything installed - but it is a lot less frequent.
All in all I can't go more than a few days without having to hard reset and reload my stuff. Sometimes its one day, sometimes its multiple days. Restoring from a backup also causes this to happen - so hard resetting and then restoring is not an option. Also, I've left the device at the splash screen from a full battery to dead just to make sure I wasn't being impatient.
Anyone seen this before? Any ideas before I call HTC and ask them to look at it?
Suggest you do some searches on "bad memory block"
Mike
Will do - thanks for the suggestion!
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Suggest you do some searches on "bad memory block"
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Well did I did a bunch of searching as you suggested - spent almost 4 hours yesterday just on the forum looking for answers on this. Using "mtty" and checking in the bootloader I've determined there to be no bad blocks.
I've tried all sorts of different WM6 Roms, Hard SPL, you name it. All of them end up with the same problem.
The only time I don't have a problem is when I use an OEM WM5 ROM. Using an OEM WM6 Rom - I have the problem come back.
RUU_Hermes_CINGULAR_WWE_2.15.502.3_6275_1.40.30.00_108_Ship == NO Lockup on Splash Screen
RUU_Hermes_CINGULAR_WWE_3.62.502.3_6275_1.54.07.00_108_UOOS_SVN05_Ship == Lockup on splash screen after a few MB of apps/data added to the device
Any other ideas?
Mmm... well I think you need someone more expert than I. You might try a PM to the likes of MrVanx to see if anyone has reported this or some of the other developers for the Hermes Pof et al.
Mike
Thanks Mike I appreciate the attempt - I think I might just be happy with the fact that its working again. Its really just backup device to my iPhone but at least now I can rely on it again to hold onto my data for more than a couple days. I'll spend some more time reading all the posts. Now that I know what I have to do to get it working again after trying something experimental its not so bad.
Thanks again
I've been having the same problem with my 8525, it like sometimes more then not, it freezes at the green windows mobile. It is really frustrating, let me know if you have found a solution, but the problem with my 8525 is the lag, in it, I'm thinking of maybe switching to a blackberry 8320 if this problem doesn't get fixed.
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Thanks Mike I appreciate the attempt - I think I might just be happy with the fact that its working again. Its really just backup device to my iPhone but at least now I can rely on it again to hold onto my data for more than a couple days. I'll spend some more time reading all the posts. Now that I know what I have to do to get it working again after trying something experimental its not so bad.
Thanks again
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have you had any answers. I am getting sick of resetting this dam thing. If this keeps up im getting an IPHONE. Stuff Windows!!!!!!!
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have you had any answers. I am getting sick of resetting this dam thing. If this keeps up im getting an IPHONE. Stuff Windows!!!!!!!
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Are you experiencing the same problem as the poster? I am not experiencing anything like it at all. I have a jasjam, and flashed with a shipped ROM first, and then with CRCinAU's version 11.2, what have you got installed on your phone? Just remember the specs of the hermes, compared to the likes of a raphael or even a polaris (touch cruise).
Don't go jumping the gun getting an iphone, read this bit for a bit of a review. I honestly not having the problems some of the guys are having here knowing my phone's limitations and what I can get out of my hermes.
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Are you experiencing the same problem as the poster? I am not experiencing anything like it at all. I have a jasjam, and flashed with a shipped ROM first, and then with CRCinAU's version 11.2, what have you got installed on your phone? Just remember the specs of the hermes, compared to the likes of a raphael or even a polaris (touch cruise).
Don't go jumping the gun getting an iphone, read this bit for a bit of a review. I honestly not having the problems some of the guys are having here knowing my phone's limitations and what I can get out of my hermes.
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I am getting the same problem as the poster. I have a Palm Treo 750 running WM6 from Palm web site ATT version 2.25 download.
After I load a few of my apps on there the phone will all of a sudden start playing up with the buttons not responding. I do what you should be able to do and soft reset by it all stops at the windows logo then end of story. Only way out is hard reset and set everything up again.
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I am getting the same problem as the poster. I have a Palm Treo 750 running WM6 from Palm web site ATT version 2.25 download.
After I load a few of my apps on there the phone will all of a sudden start playing up with the buttons not responding. I do what you should be able to do and soft reset by it all stops at the windows logo then end of story. Only way out is hard reset and set everything up again.
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Must be some app conflict, I have my wife's treo with me at the moment and it is as good as new, can't imagine what would be conflicting with the treo tho
I read that there's lots of tweaks for WM5 for the 8525, but then I seen mention of a WM6 available, too. I presume it's a free upgrade on the AT&T website, or elsewhere online.
Now for the questions. Which OS works best for this device? Do the tweaks made for WM5 work with WM6 as well? Should I upgrade to WM6, or stay with WM5? For the GPS (maps), does it work with both or just one of the options?
Now for other (off-topic) experiences I have with my new [reconditioned] device.
a) After inserting my SIM card, about an half hour later, I attempted to call an 800 number (to activate a new bank debit card), which it didn't fully connect the call, although the call timer was running. It wouldn't let me end the attempted call, either, so I removed the battery and reinserted it.
b) Exploring the device further, I noticed that some menus didn't close when I tap the "red X" in the corner. I even tried to expand (pull out the keyboard on) the device, but it shows the "red X" of the location from portrait. as well as from the landscape! For example, it wouldn't close the "selecting which size to send photos" option screen. After waiting about a minute, I had to remove the battery to get rid of those screens, which is a major pain to keep removing the battery!
c) Later on, the last phone call that I made wouldn't hang up (end call) -- I even tapped 'End Call' about 5 times, not to mention pressed the red phone icon on the main navigation keys about 3 times. I haven't used the device since, except to place my old Samsung Sync's memory card with pictures, songs, and videos inside it.
The device seems very slow to close/end programs, and I've just received it yesterday! [I have not hacked, tweaked, or done anything else to it, either; I've only set the time, date, and owner's info.] Is this normal for the 8525? Would installing the WM5 tweaks [HTweakC 2.1b] -- or updating to WM6 -- increase the device's response time and overall performance? Or do I have a still faulty, reconditioned 8525?
Sorry for the long questions, I just wanted to give background into the device. Thanks in advance for all help in this matter!
You seem to be way behind as you use WM5. First thing you do after reading this: UPGRADE TO WM6.1
Most tweaks of WM5 will ofcourse work on WM6. WM6 is faster and much much better.
Do you know about soft-reset? No need to take out the battery! Just soft-reset.
And most of your problems of hang-ing can be solved by newer version of Windows Mobile! WM6.1
In case if your new to upgrading, you may read my small guide. If your completely new to Pocket PC, this might help you too. Also, consider using a free taskmanager such as wkTaskMan to close applications completely.
Regards,
Carty..
Carty, thanks for the quick reply!
As a brief background, for about the past 6 months, I was infatuated with the HTC Tilt [8925], because of the built-in GPS, Wi-Fi, 3-MP camera, & media player. Later, from reading other opinions on the 8525 on this board and discovering that it was compatible with GPS services, I decided to "sacrifice" the 3-MP camera, as the 8525 was about $100 cheaper on eBay.
I am pretty new to the Pocket PC, as my cellular device; I have used computers since 1996, though. That being said, it's not even been 24 hours since I've tinkered with the 8525 (as the eBay one never worked at all). I take it that the 8525 is an older device, as I've seen posts dating back to 2006. I just bought one on eBay 2 weeks ago, and had it replaced at an AT&T repair/replace shop yesterday.
I see the reset button on the bottom of the device; I just didn't know when to use it. I presumed it could only be used if the device wouldn't turn on at all. [As you can tell, I'm overly cautious with my new cellular equipment.] Also, I read about the "hard reset" -- holding down the 2 option buttons on the front and then the reset on the bottom of the device; however, I didn't know when to use the hard reset, either.
I will read your tutorials, then will install WM6 ASAP. Then, I will return with my findings. Wish me luck!!
Now I'm having issues with the update of WM6! The device stalls at 11%, then the software returns with the following:
"ERROR [262]: UPDATE ERROR
The ROM Update Utility has encountered communication errors during the update process. The program will guide you step-by-step to recover from the errors so you can continue with the update."
I tried the [Recovery] button 2 more times, following the screens to the letter, but with the same result . . . the software stalls at 11%.
Any ideas? This is very frustrating!!
Man, I finally got it to install WM6! I had to literally remove every single program that was running under my "name" with the XP-MC OS. I even had to "Ctrl+Alt+Delete" the Explorer program and then "open" it (via Task Manager) again! [I didn't restart Windows, though.]
So far, it's back to the align screen, so I'll hope all goes well from there! Be back with more later!
I've made one phone call so far, and it actually did the end call promptly! Thank goodness for small favors! I thought having to do the "flash" about 6 times would have fried the device!
Now that I have the WM6, how do I install the tweaks? Do I copy them to a memory card, to the cell ROM, or something else? I already downloaded "HTweakC 2.1b" but haven't done anything with it yet. What would be my next step to correctly hack the WM6 8525 that I have now? I am a novice at hacking, so talk in layman's terms and please bear with me!