help! no sound - 8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General

hi
i have a cingular 8525. i have no sound out of the loudspeaker and when i connect a USB headset i dont have sound either. i replaced the speaker thinking that it was that if anyone could please help me.
thanks
brandon

djstimpy said:
hi
i have a cingular 8525. i have no sound out of the loudspeaker and when i connect a USB headset i dont have sound either. i replaced the speaker thinking that it was that if anyone could please help me.
thanks
brandon
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Welcome to XDA-Dev
Not enough info given.
Is there any sound at all out of wither speaker for any function whetjher it be phone / notifications etc etc.
Did you ever have any sound and if so when and how did it stop.
Have you done a HARD reset or not
Did you flash a new ROM / install a new programme and so on
Mike

i get sound out of the head speaker when calling but when i change over to loudspeaker it doesnt work. well i bought it used n it had this problem. i have done a load of hard resets and ive changed the rom so many times but nothing has yet worked.

djstimpy said:
i get sound out of the head speaker when calling but when i change over to loudspeaker it doesnt work. well i bought it used n it had this problem. i have done a load of hard resets and ive changed the rom so many times but nothing has yet worked.
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Hi
Well I just looked at the board again (it's been a while). Unfortunately, in my view, it is not possible to work on the speaker circuit other than in very crude fashion. The board is multi layer and hence you cannot trace the connections easily, if at all without a diagram. Checking circuit integrity is virtuallty impossible without proper test equipment. Even repair shops won't bother - they will just get a new board. Another frustration is that it is very difficult to work on the circuit whilst it is switched on.
So after that ramble, I'm afraid if you have checked the new speaker and it's connector block then there's not much else you can do. It is possible that part of the circuit is blown, possible through a dodgy mini usb connection!
I would certainly believe it to be hardware if you've done hard resets and tried different ROMS. In fact any ROM should work.
Mike

i was afraid of that =( well i guess i got screwed on that part thanks for the info.

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JasJar Broken

Hi to all,
i'm in a deep trouble with my jasjar, after 2 months of work it simply stopped to use internal speaker & mic for phone calls, but it plays the usual ringtone...
it can't play mp3 and so on, but it plays the ringtones but not the alarm or sms things... so my question:
is the speaker really broken or what?
i noticed that sometimes with jasjar in portrait mode it works... no way in landscape, so i was thinking of some electrical connections between the lcd and the turning pieces...
i'll probably return to the assistance but i'd like to know your experiences...
sorry for my english and thanks to all in advance.
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so long and thank for all the fish
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matteo
Doesn't seem like a hardware problem. Did you try doing a hard-reset? Just press on "clear storage" in programs. Should restore your device to factory state. Hope you have backed up your PIM data through activesync. If you haven't then just copy the pim.vol file on your device to your computer. You can replace it after a hard-reset and all your PIM data will be restored.
Post your results here after the whole process.
universaldoc said:
Doesn't seem like a hardware problem. Did you try doing a hard-reset? Just press on "clear storage" in programs. Should restore your device to factory state. Hope you have backed up your PIM data through activesync. If you haven't then just copy the pim.vol file on your device to your computer. You can replace it after a hard-reset and all your PIM data will be restored.
Post your results here after the whole process.
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i forgot: i've already tried an hard-reset and then a rom upgrade.. nothing seems to change...
it sounds strange to me too, cause the speaker is not gone at all, but it is a difficult thing to manage ...
what about electrical connections between the screen and the keyboard device? is it possible that it screwed up from a turn to another?
Matteo,
When my speaker and mic did not work (and ringtone did work!) I tested the sound with the wired headset. Everything worked.
Then I pulled the headset out again and the speaker sound is back. So it was a contact. But it felt like a software problem.
The Jasjar thought that my headset was still in.
Even the "speaker on" button did not react.
Does it change in "speaker off" when you click it during a call?
I think it will help to plug in and out the headset.
But give it a shot.
Huib
^ that's exactly what happened to my old imate jam. I did this and it worked! As far as i can remember, i was on the plane (14-hour flight) while using the jam as my mp3 player, the battery just died (after warning ofcourse) and when i tried to power it back on, the speaker is messed up.
pinoy said:
^ that's exactly what happened to my old imate jam. I did this and it worked! As far as i can remember, i was on the plane (14-hour flight) while using the jam as my mp3 player, the battery just died (after warning ofcourse) and when i tried to power it back on, the speaker is messed up.
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Then it could be a software error in stead of a loose contact.
The PPC thinks that the plug is still in and needs "reprogrammed" by putting it back in and pulling out?
The fact that the "speaker on" button can not toggle itself anymore is a clear signal. In my case it could have been, because I pulled it out while Skype was hanging, so again no option to "tell" the Jasjar it is pulled out?
But of course an ordinary loose contact is still possible?
Huib
herpi said:
pinoy said:
^ that's exactly what happened to my old imate jam. I did this and it worked! As far as i can remember, i was on the plane (14-hour flight) while using the jam as my mp3 player, the battery just died (after warning ofcourse) and when i tried to power it back on, the speaker is messed up.
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Then it could be a software error in stead of a loose contact.
The PPC thinks that the plug is still in and needs "reprogrammed" by putting it back in and pulling out?
The fact that the "speaker on" button can not toggle itself anymore is a clear signal. In my case it could have been, because I pulled it out while Skype was hanging, so again no option to "tell" the Jasjar it is pulled out?
But of course an ordinary loose contact is still possible?
Huib
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I dont think this is the problem....he's reflashed the rom, done a hard reset...nothing has helped
I guess your hardware has indeed coughed up!
S
OK, then still we have not heard from Matteo, if he tried to move that plug in and out.
If he hears the ringtone and cannot speak/use the mike then he can be concentrated on that plug. Certainly if his wired headset works.
But if he reflashed we can be sure it is no software. (Still after reflashing some settings remain intact. )
Right/wrong?
At least in my case, with the same symptoms, it worked.
Huib
Hi man, thank u for ur reply...
u'll probably won't believe to me but when i saw ur post i did the plug in&out trick with the wired headset... nothing changed.
Today after some bluetooth problem with my old jabra it started again to work perfectly.. sounds strange? sounds impossible but that's it....
maybe the wired connector was having problem, but i think there is a more complex situation, maybe somethin' about the software but i can't say that for sure...
i didn't try yet a reset or so on.... i'm scared
thank u all guys, u'r the best...!
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so long and thank for all the fish
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matteo
Matteo,
I am happy you solved it.
It is always a problem to start a discussion with the supplier about problems like this.
Good luck in the future!
And Buon Natale e felice anno nuovo
huib
JASJAR PARTS
I have a complete JASJAR worth of parts available.
Complete motherboard, not working
Complete screen, LCD is cracked, works, with 5% of the screen bleeding.
Full case, no cracks.
Speakers, mic, camera, etc.
All covers in good condition.
I will probably part them out soon on Ebay.
I used this unit for parts to build up another good JASJAR, but it may be useful for someone.
Tim
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tdrager said:
I have a complete JASJAR worth of parts available.
Complete motherboard, not working
Complete screen, LCD is cracked, works, with 5% of the screen bleeding.
Full case, no cracks.
Speakers, mic, camera, etc.
All covers in good condition.
I will probably part them out soon on Ebay.
I used this unit for parts to build up another good JASJAR, but it may be useful for someone.
Tim
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Hi Tim!
I really need one d-pad button (if it is a seperate thing then the big one without the center button). If you can sell it to me, please send me a mail.
THX
FWIW, my Jasjar has been acting strange lately with sounds. The other day I thought my speaker was toast and found that, upon going into Sounds & Notifications, all the checkmarks for sound were unticked. Turned the sounds back on and, wow, they worked.
All my mailboxes disappeared yesterday (Besides Hotmail, Outlook, Texts, MMS), so I think WM 5 might just like to play tricks with the registry. It's a long shot, but check those sounds & notifications settings - it saved me a heart attack.
Again.. Speaker Gone
Hi to all, first of all happy new year.
After several days without problem my jasjar re-started to think it's headset is still plugged-in.
No sound except for the ringtone. No effects on the speaker on in call...
Obviusly the plug-in plug-out trick of the headset doesn't help.
So, if it worked for several days it's not an electrical problem.
Hard-reset doesn't help... is there a way to tell JJ to not use the headset or something like that?
what do u think about?
thnks to all
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so long and thank for all the fish
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matteo
It's seems like your headset jack is creating the probelm. The only way right now is to send it for repair. Unless you can do the repair yourself.It seems like the headphone jack , one of the contact point is connected telling your JJ that there's a headset inserted. I might be wrong though.
Thank for your quick reply,
is it possible to do some software trick to disable at all the headset?
or is it possible to attach another jack with pin connected in some way to tell JJ to not bother...
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matteo
SOOOOOOOO Frustrating
I have the same problem and cannot get my sound back!! I am able to take the Universal (XDA EXEC) apart, and can access the headphone jack, but i cannot tell what it is that I need to change to get my sound back, If anyone has some insight, please help out, thanks

earphone problem

ok this is a bit funny
handsfree earphone works,,,but the ear phone in the mda compact doesnt work
the normal sound speaker works,,just not the phone speaker
ok it works stuttery when i press up on the slide switch and i can hear the caller kinda stuttering
wierd software rpoblem i think
its not hardware problem as the slider makes it work,,if i constantly press up o the slider but then i hear the caller and the beep beep it makes to tell you its at full volume
My qtek s110 is doing the same thing after i dropped it, could i have knocked the contacts?
Can anyone explain why the volume slider would make it work.
Cheers
I think its a hardware prob only! Cz if the volume slider is getting the sound volume increased, you guys still couldnt get the full volume right? If so, its probably the speaker or its contacts getting the problem!
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solution for no noise problems
Hey guys and girls, I also had problems with “no noise from the earpiece only.. and were puzzled with the problem for few days….until found the reason behind it.
As I am a lover with high-tech devices, I really wanted to fix this problem by myself (not prepared to pay few hundred dollars for repair from technicians).
I also want to contribute something on this site, as I have read great information’s from this site.
Here it goes.
I had this "no noise issue" problem with one of my device (have 2 sets of o2 mini) had no sound on the earpiece only (meaning speakerphone, hands free mic all works perfectly).
Now, to make everything short, I have done a great research with few personal technicians and even official technician from O2 Company and found the answers for this problem.
The fault actually lies with what is called the "Audio Daughter Board". It is a removable internal PCB that the speaker contacts to receive its audio signal from the phone. The board has a connector that is soldered to it which sits on another connector that is soldered to the main board. Both of these connectors can become removed from their respective solder connections usually as a result of a fall or physical impact. Usually all that is needed is a touch up of the solder points.
This Audio “daughter board” is connected with black connector at right hand side only, and the rest of the board with double sticky tape.
Most likely, the black connector has been disconnected to the “daughter board during drop of the device, as you need to solder the parts back (black connector has 14 legs, 7 on the left and 7 on the right) to get your earpiece sound back to normal.
I have done it, so can you (very small legs, so has to have delicate hands).
Now, mine works like a charm…. So happy…
After all, it was neither the programs, nor the legs of the earpiece, but the actual connection between the boards itself.
Hope my information helped.
Cheers
PS: I have updated my device to 2003 second edition with radio 1.13.00 but have no idea where to get pda programs. Can anyone let me know where to find such good programs?
It works!!!! Thanks
Your a genius
Hi im so happy it worked. I bought even a new speaker but this was noit the problem.
The internal speaker is now working but i found another problem with the ring tone liudness which i have to clarify now. So the serach will start again for me.
Again thanks.
Hi need help from all of u.
Hi my o2 mini have this problem, i can't hear anthing from the caller but they can hear me.may i know how to get the problem done, hope all of u can help me thank You.
bluehanul76
You really rock m8.
I was very doubfull that this would work. I have tried everything else people has suggested to no avail.
BUT I thought I have nothing to lose in trying you suggestion.
And it worked. It really worked.
Thank you very much.
Sorry for what am i going to say, maybe i did not get things clear...
How on earth can you solder the black connector both on the main motherboard and on the audio daughter board? Am just asking cause my magician had a broken earpiece and when i open it to replace it the phone died. Strange thing is that when i remove the storage card it comes alive again but no sound from the earpiece. So this solution is great although i had to make the question just to know how to handle things.
Thanks guys
Got it guys, the one connector on the main board was detached completeley and got stuck into the other. That is why i thought that it was one piece.
Man , i said to myself how come these people got it soldered , they must all have personal nano robots lol
Update:
Burned the small black connector tha sits on the main rboard
Any chance for someone to know what sort of PCB is this so i can purchase one?
Firts of anything sorry for my inglish but i´m portuguese and my inglish is a litle rusty.
I known there are a lot of people whith this problem and i had to. I tried a lot of things and i find a solution. The major problem of the this is that the black conector don´t conect very well whith audio bord, and i do a trick, so i thake a litle peace of cotton roll in powertape (like one that is on back of keybord) and a put it as way that when e close it make pressure in de audio border conector(in left of earpiece) agaist de front cover.
I hope I can help
enduromen
i have the same problem, and i will try to do as instructed. if it succeed everyone have a drink on me
Hello.
I have the same problem ina Qtek s100 but , like I dont know very well how to do look for the hardware piece that you send me the picture file because i cannot download it from XDA, it dont appear. If you send me to [email protected] I will be gratefull.
Thank you

Sound problem

There is no sound. I plugged in the head phones and i can hear out of that, but when i unplug it, i get no sound. It's like its still plugged in. Can anyone help me, or has anyone else experienced this?
sorry i have an o2 xda neo
Might be another instance of a known design issue with Prophet. Many people have hit this problem - mine did this and needed to be returned for repair.
Try putting the headphone jack in again and then out. Repeat like this for a while and your sound will come back on. If it doesn't, repeat faster.
This is a known issue where the sound disappears. Basically, a switch needs to be flipped for the prophet to know that the headset is out. Sometimes, this switch doesn't get flipped and the prophet thinks the headset is still connected, while actually its not.
If my solution sounds a bit crazy, it is...but its the only way and you don't need to send it in for repair. Search around and you'll find the same solution everywhere. People have also used a safety pin. But best is the headset jack itself.
How long mate? 2 hours? 3? I wish it had worked that way. I tried everything... still no sound. I think it is a crappy hardware. I think HTC should collect all prophets... I mean if it were a decent company.
Its just a little lower quality hardware, I agree.
If that doesn't work, try soft resetting. If that doesn't work, try hard resetting.
Its better to try all options before sending it in to the service centre, where it'll get screwed around and probably be kept for 2 weeks or something, due to "unavailability of parts"..
It is not working, removing and inserting again n again, some other method, i will have to try to open it, as it is not under waranty and it is also without bill, plz suggest me something
This seems to be a major problem with the HTC Prophet as a whole regardless of the branding. I have returned mine to Orange for a replacement, they confirmed that it was hardware failure. I thought that I might have just got unlucky with a bad batch, but looking across the NET and here, it appears that all brands based on the HTC Prophet are failing.
Obviously, shoddy manufacturing, I guess HTC did a little penny pinching with the speaker system.
I have same issue with my dopod 818 pro the plug and unplug trick did not work for me I have to send my to http://www.PocketPCTechs.com they have the device repaired for me now my device is back to business now..
I have the same problem here but i bit different... i was using an external speaker system, when i unplugged the jack from my spv m600 i did't get any sound the only sound i have is when i receive a call then i hear the ringtone but when i pick up i don't hear anything and probably the other side doesn't hear me...i tried to put the jack in and out but no results now i am obliged to use my phone with the headset...
same problem...solved!!
hi, today i had the same problem...no sound at all after i unplugged an external sound system. I plugged again the 2.5mm and unplugged it very fast a few times untill i got my sound back!!!
good luck
pixie
My m600 has been back to Orange for repairs for this problem. Works again perfect now.
Robin
PhoenixAG said:
Try putting the headphone jack in again and then out. Repeat like this for a while and your sound will come back on. If it doesn't, repeat faster.
This is a known issue where the sound disappears. Basically, a switch needs to be flipped for the prophet to know that the headset is out. Sometimes, this switch doesn't get flipped and the prophet thinks the headset is still connected, while actually its not.
If my solution sounds a bit crazy, it is...but its the only way and you don't need to send it in for repair. Search around and you'll find the same solution everywhere. People have also used a safety pin. But best is the headset jack itself.
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I had the same problem today, googled, found this thread, followed your solution..... and it works fine again!
Thank you very much!
DrStein666 said:
I had the same problem today, googled, found this thread, followed your solution..... and it works fine again!
Thank you very much!
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Does not always work.
It did not do the trick for me for sure. Orange had to repair it for me.
Robin
sound problem fixed by yourself
Hi all!
very easy! Just plug-in and plug-out hand-phone abit strong, it will get back!
lucky!
Thanks !
Worked for me !
Youpy

Strange sound issues (this is a tough problem!)

Hey all, im glad this site is up its been great finding what i can really do with my wizard!
here is he issue im having. the wizard has 3 different speakers and 1 microphone. 2 side speakers (used to play music, or speaker phone) and the 1 main speaker (used for hearing calls). none of the 3 work when im making calls, listening to music, alarms, or any of the "screen click" sounds and the microphone doesnt work on phone calls or note recordings. however, the one time the speakers do work is when i have an incoming call, i tried listening to see which speaker its coming out of and it sounds like all 3. the headphone jack still works so thats what ive been using. pressing the speaker phone button while on a call (that i cant hear) doesnt do anything, the UI doesnt show any change or switch to indicate its changed to speaker phone and the "speaker on" button doesnt change to "speaker off" like it used to.
originally i thought this was a ROM issue, i was using the manufacturer's ROM (cingular 8125, unlocked for tmobile service) so i followed the lovely tutorial and switched my phone over to the t-mobile 2.26 ROM. this had no effect, so I then upgraded to XDA's WM6 ROM and while i love this new ROM it still did not fix my sound issue.
im stumped, any help anyone can offer would be great. I wanted to post here before i crack it open to look at all the insides.
same problem!
I'm having the exact same problem! I just noticed the problem recently, when my phones alarm didn't sound. I'm running a custom cooked rom from mattk_r 318 kitchen, but I don't think the rom is the problem, as i am indeed still hearing sound from the head phone jack. I don't think the internal speakers are broken, as when a call comes, the phone rings, and the sound come out from the speaks as mentioned above!
Help!
dropped?
have you ever dropped your phone?
I have dropped mine a couple times and thats the only cause I can come up with. But this never seemed to be a problem until recently.
no major drop recently.
i havent really dropped it recently at all.and for some reason i dont think the hardware is the problem,because i tryed voice recorder,and it records my voice and i can play it
back through the headset.so that confirms that the mic and both spealers work (rings
when incoming call). i really dont want this to be the downfall for my wizard! is there
any key registry entrys for sound maybe that we could have a look at? btw my wizards a G4 if thats makes any difference.
please help!!
mine is a g3, if it were a software issue then reflashing should have solved it. right? i dont know enough about the internal workings of the wizard to know what a flash actually does.
?
Anyone have any ideas on what I can try?
Well, a flash is an OS upgrade/downgrade. It contains drivers, programs, registry settings, things of that sort. Sounds like your problem is hardware related, nothing to do with the OS itself.
I assume the warranty on that baby has already expired, so you're pretty much on your own.
Two options come to mind:
1. The obvious... buy another Wizard
2. The not so obvious... buy another Wizard with a broken screen and take all of its guts out and put them in yours.
A third option also exists... (ther's always a third way)
Mind you, this is for INFORMATION PURPOSES ONLY! In no way do I condone the below mentioned method.
Get a new line of service with Cingular and buy the Wizard to use with it. Exchange their boards, swap the IMEIs using the Wizard Service Tool utility found on these boards, cancel the line of service and return the "new" Wizard.
Sound issues
I have had a similar problem but located my problem to the microswitch which is in the headphone socket. Might be worth trying pulling the headphones in and out a few times to see if it allows the microswitch to release (if that is the problem?)
Steve
The wizard is magic
Some how my wizard seemed to repair it self. Its sound is working again...i didn't reflash or do anything special....weird. I think its because the phone had a good vibrate....ive got one of those speaker docks for the wizard..i put it in there...got a phone call and talked and stuff...but while it was in there (with the mic plugged it) it vibrated alot...maybe that flicked the switch mentioned above?
weird..this phone never ceases to amaze me. I just hope it doesn't happen again... because it appears to be emerging as a problem as the wizards get older?
Keep up the good work guys!
LOL!!!!!!!!! its so simple and yet so amazingly smart
wow, Steve you are the most amazing person EVER!
I put the headphone piece in about 1/10 of the way and slowly made a swirling action as i slid it all the way in, clicked the start button on wizard and i heard the "click" for the first time in a month!
Thanks!
I tried different options to get my sound back, no luck so far
Problem started after using the headset-connector to connect it to an FM-Transmitter.
After reading this thread, my guess is that the "micro-switch" is in a wrong position. So I opend my MDA, but can't find any "switch" in that connector.
Is there some more info about that connector, a connection-diagram perhaps ?
what worked for me was inserting the headset jack in roughly, robbing each side of the headset jack to try to hit the "switch". that might work for you.
Yes!!! Thank you a lot!
I have the same problem, no sound in my speakers, just vibrate and sound in handsfree. I figure out that this micro-switch could be the problem, but I haven't know how to solve it. Thank you once again, I love my SPV!! and this community.
Fixed!
Woohoo!
This problem just cropped up for me on the weekend.
Thankfully it wasn't long before I happened across this thread.
About a minute of persistent jiggling the microphone jack did the trick.
Thanks!

Tytn mute, Help needed

First of all Hi to the whole community by a new noob member.
I upgraded to WM6 thanx to you 2 weeks ago.
Now the problem :
My Tytn is mute.
No sound at all.
No ringing, no playing, no sound at all.
Can someone help me?
It worked fine till yesterday.
It has not been hitted.
I tried Soft and Hard reset, same problem.
It seems an hardware problem (I thought it was a SW problem before hard reset)
Olipro and WM6 Htc version (Italian) on board.
devilman said:
First of all Hi to the whole community by a new noob member.
I upgraded to WM6 thanx to you 2 weeks ago.
Now the problem :
My Tytn is mute.
No sound at all.
No ringing, no playing, no sound at all.
Can someone help me?
It worked fine till yesterday.
It has not been hitted.
I tried Soft and Hard reset, same problem.
It seems an hardware problem (I thought it was a SW problem before hard reset)
Olipro and WM6 Htc version (Italian) on board.
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Do you get in-call sound?
Mike
no, no sound at all.
No ringing when i receive a call, no sound when playing back videos or songs, no music on games, no system sounds... MUTE
It seems something connected with the speakers, but the really strange thing is it worked till yesterday...
devilman said:
no, no sound at all.
No ringing when i receive a call, no sound when playing back videos or songs, no music on games, no system sounds... MUTE
It seems something connected with the speakers, but the really strange thing is it worked till yesterday...
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What I'm trying to get at is, is it just the rear speaker or the front earpiece as well? The things you mention use the rear speaker. If you dial your Hermes from another phone and pick up can you hear sound through the earpiece speaker?
Mike
yes, it's only the rear speker.
The earspeaker works fine.
devilman said:
yes, it's only the rear speker.
The earspeaker works fine.
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Ok. With luck it's just the push on connector for the speaker that's come loose. Not uncommon. If you are not worried about the warranty then see here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1376254&postcount=2
Mike
first of all thanx a lot for tour help.
2 more questions :
1) the phone is 3 weeks old : do tou think the problem could be the one you mention with a new cell like mine?
2) The phone is under warranty (i dont have problems opening things ) Do you think it is better to bring it to an assistance centre or not?
devilman said:
first of all thanx a lot for tour help.
2 more questions :
1) the phone is 3 weeks old : do tou think the problem could be the one you mention with a new cell like mine?
2) The phone is under warranty (i dont have problems opening things ) Do you think it is better to bring it to an assistance centre or not?
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If it's only 3 weeks old then I would certainly get it checked under warranty. IF it's the connector then it might not have been firmly pushed on from the start. If the speaker is blown then definitely go for warranty as the speaker is not easy to get a hold of.
So although it's an easy fix just remove the back and you see the connector, it is too much to risk your warranty if it turns out to be more serious! Only problem may be returning the ROM to an acceptable one before getting a repair.
Mike
yes, this could be a problem.
I hope they will not make objection for WM6 (it's the HTC official relaease) but i think i shiul reinstalla the old bootloader, am i wrong?
is it possible ? where do i find it here ?
I'd really like to make it by myself, the problem, i think, is that the little label "void" has to broken and with it the warranty, hasn't it?
Where can i find an How TO disassemble the Tytn?
Again, thank you very much.

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