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We will have an official WM2003 from T-Mobile

As stated at
http://www.ppcw.net/index.php?itemid=1662
in an official comment
T-Mobile was the first carrier to deliver the Microsoft Pocket PC Phone Edition and is committed to the support of this product. We will be providing the 2003 upgrade to our customers.
The standard Pocket PC 2003 version, used by many Pocket PC PDA's, doesn't include the needed software and hardware to operate as a phone. The additional time need for integration and testing ensures the highest level of customer satisfaction.
Chris Archey
Product Manager Pocket PC Phone Edition
T-Mobile
So ... we're looking forward for this.
About the 4.01.00 I think T-Mobile will have here, on xda-developers, an excellent testing bed.
Thanks T-Mobile

thanks t-mobile...

It's a good point... why do they go on with all the secrecy crap when they've got the best test bed in the world right here. We're getting their test ROM's anyway, but it seems we're only testing something that's already been tested and discarded.
Can someone tell them "we told you so" when they release the final and it's got glaring bugs?

I suspect part of the reason is that they don't want to have to lend tech support to those who have issues with beta products.
Upgrading ROMs isn't exactly something I'd recommend for the casual user (Although, XDA users obviously are higher on the nerd factor, so I shouldnt say we can't handle it!)
Think about how many people come in here asking how to fix the PPCPhone they've just toasted doing a rom update. Combine that with the problems they've had with SD card erasures, and the wireless data people at T-Mobile would be awful busy fielding questions.
That being said, it would be kinda cool if they released the roms to xda-developers.com and let there be sort of an "official unofficial" extension of the beta program!

I think one reason they don't want to do a 'public' beta would be to discourage casual or non-technical users from trying to upgrade their devices. In case there are folks who don't really understand what they are doing, T-Mobile could end up with units with blown radio stacks, etc. This could create more work from them than it might otherwise solve.
That being said, it would be cool if you could 'apply' to a beta program.

SO...BASICALLY.....WUT UR TELLIN ME....IS...THAT...IM......A....NERD
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JUICEe said:
SO...BASICALLY.....WUT UR TELLIN ME....IS...THAT...IM......A....NERD
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only on the positive side :wink:

JUICEe
no biggy as long as your mum think you're cool
http://www.intuwave.com/index.php?page=news_articles&id=69
here is a article about why your std joe user not only update his bios
but also run away screeming from the xda while waving his hands in panic
all while waving his hands in panic

Objection to the Nerd Reference
I object to the Nerd reference... I am not a Nerd, I am a geek :wink: , even have the Microsoft Services Ubergeek bumper sticker to prove it.
Robert H.

your on your own there buddy, I would never deface my car with a sticker of any sort

Also, on the secrecy bit here, I fall somewhere in the middle. I don't think they should release the test version to the general public (for the general reason that 99% of end users are Idiots and the extra support load would be gruesome for the support personnel) but it would be nice for them to communicate accurate information about the status of upcoming upgrades to the support personnel so I don't get answers like the one I recieved earlier. I see no reason for them not to tell the support personnel "Yes we will be releasing the pocketPC 2003 upgrade, but it is still in testing and we do not have any indication of what the release date will be" and permit them to pass that on to folks who ask the question "When will the Pocket PC 2003 Upgrade be availiable?".
Robert H.

robinton said:
Also, on the secrecy bit here, I fall somewhere in the middle. I don't think they should release the test version to the general public (for the general reason that 99% of end users are Idiots and the extra support load would be gruesome for the support personnel) but it would be nice for them to communicate accurate information about the status of upcoming upgrades to the support personnel so I don't get answers like the one I recieved earlier. I see no reason for them not to tell the support personnel "Yes we will be releasing the pocketPC 2003 upgrade, but it is still in testing and we do not have any indication of what the release date will be" and permit them to pass that on to folks who ask the question "When will the Pocket PC 2003 Upgrade be availiable?".
Robert H.
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Totally agree with you. However, internal communicaitons are typically bad in siloed organizations with geographically dispersed service centers such as T-Mobile.

Anything new?
It's been a month since I have heard anything new on T-Mobile releasing WM2003. Has anyone heard anything?
I tried 4.01.00 and had problems with SD erasing and phone lockups. I reverted back to 3.14 and will wait for something a little more stable.

Re: Anything new?
Scrappy said:
It's been a month since I have heard anything new on T-Mobile releasing WM2003. Has anyone heard anything?
I tried 4.01.00 and had problems with SD erasing and phone lockups. I reverted back to 3.14 and will wait for something a little more stable.
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Hmmmmmm... Why does everyone have problems but me with the SD card erasing :?:
MrDollyMaker

That is a very good question! MrDollyMaker
What type of card do you have?
Does it have a name or ID?
I found root problem to the SD erasures was in the way the TMO and AT&T radio Stacks were addressing the hardware and memory locs for the SD Card and renaming it every time there was a change in cell towers or going into ROAM modes. :x
The problem stopped one I formated and named my SD card in an outside reader and ensured the device registry read that port under that name and not assigned it a new name. So no more SD erasures since I did my 4.01 update.
PS: I sent all the logs, the apps and info to both carries, but no reply as of yet! :roll:

Grrrrr! Just had my first sd card erasure in forever. I hadn't had that happen since probably the 4.00.06 version!
Oh well looks like a friday night of pocketpc reinstallation fun for me

T-Mobile Windows Mobile 2003 HOAX
I could care less about the who, what when where and why of the realease lateness. It is obvious to me at this point that they dont have very good developers at T-mobile for the Pocket PC release. The last release had a lot of the T-mobile software removed anyway.
At this point. As a developer and a scienent being I'd like T-mobile to release a beta to some people. My phone is unstable. I have had several handset replacements, because they think it will solve the problem. Nope.. Nada Zippo.
I'd be AFRAID to get an XDA II at this point.
I use my Sony Erisson T610 most of the time now.
The fact that several other providers have already released the Windows Mobile 2003 several months ago is pretty darn good evidence to stupidity or serious problems somewhere.
You make the call as to which applies.
-Disgruntled Pocket PC owner
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and I hate those damn smileys but Im pissed!

no one need T-mobile WM 2003!
who needs T-mobile WM 2003!, it is unstable and buggy, and almost useless!

ronin said:
That is a very good question! MrDollyMaker
What type of card do you have?
Does it have a name or ID?
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It's a Lexar. Well both are. I have a 32mb and a 256mb card. Both were formated with Softwinter Storage Tools and used the backup Fat option, so that might be what prevents it. It's named "Storage Card" by default. File system is FAT32, sector Size 512Bytes, Cluster size 2kb.
It's an awsome program that even defrags and tests the cards for errors.
Never once had an erase problem yet. 8)
MrDollyMaker

Re: no one need T-mobile WM 2003!
cgigate said:
who needs T-mobile WM 2003!, it is unstable and buggy, and almost useless!
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Um... Havent had any problems that were not "oddities". 4.01 rom now. :shock:

WM2005 for JAM? Doubt it.

Strange how O2 and Orange have decided they're not going to release the 'Magician' aka O2 mini/MDA compact/I-Mate JAM/Orange M500 here in the UK. I'm wondering if its because WM2005 devices are right around the corner and this little gem won't be upgradable because it doesn't have the juice (memory/cpu) to run it...
I've come close 3 times now to buying one from T-Mobile.. but something just doesnt seem right.. think I'll wait a bit longer. T-Mobile is selling them like hotcakes.. o2 & orange must have a very good reason not to release these here and thats why Im thinking they're something 'special' on the horizon.
what do you guys think?

i think they want to release it with a new device.. just like what they did with the WM2003SE they didn't release any upgrades.. instead a new device..... who knows

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I'm wondering if its because WM2005 devices are right around the corner and this little gem won't be upgradable because it doesn't have the juice (memory/cpu) to run it...
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At work, we run with Windows 2000 Server. Who cares that there's a 2003 version? The 2000 version does everything we want.
And isn't 2005 version of Windows Mobile going to be released in 2005, ages away?
I think people can tend to get a little wrapped up in what's just not available yet. 2nd edition Windows Mobile is going to be viable for some time yet, and is a bloody capable O/S. I know this won't be upgradeable, and just don't care...

I say get it now, there is always going to be something else you want tomorrow. Wait for that, and then something else is on the horizion.
I had an XDA II as I liked the PDA/phone idea but in practise it didn't work for me. The thing is just too big to be taken seriously as a phone, so I never used it. Tried things like the SE 910i and various Smartphones. None did the job. The SPV C500 is great, but I need a touchscreen on my pda.
So have just moved to the Jam and it is like a whole new world! It is a fabulous device and changed the way I think of and use a phone.
Cheers
Marc

Go for Jam....i have been using SE P900, moto mpx300 and Jam....I feel Jam outperformed all of them. P900 is more towards a phone....

Why you ask? Because WM2005 phones will be able to run out of battery and not have to be reconfigured (LIKE A NORMAL PHONE). Nothing is lost due to the way it uses the memory. That alone is reason enough for me, it would be nice to have to mess around the Extended ROM all the time or make backups every day for fear of losing everything. I don't have time for that these days.
WM2005 is supposedly due in the summer, and surely HTC is testing it on the replacement for the JAM as we speak.

HTC releasing a replacement for the JAM at these early stages of the JAM's life would be a suicide. What HTC want is to get as many JAM sales as possible, then release a replacement phone for us to buy another one!

Don't hold out for Crossbow on the Hermes (on the Vario 2, at least)

After Crossbow was spotted running on an M3100 earlier this month, I fired off an email to T-Mobile asking them whether it would ever be available for the punters... Got a reply today:
The helpful Jann at T-Mobile said:
Good Morning Mr Woods
Thank you for your enquiry regarding handset updates.
So far the new AKU versions have all came out with new devices and the upgrade has never been supported from eg 2003 to 2005. if this will be available for the Crossbow then I don?t know.
From a t-mobile marketing point of view I would say it probably won't be available.
Kind Regards
Jann
T-Mobile
On 13/12/06 00:01, I wrote:
[From .CO.UK]
message:Now that Crossbow has been sighted in the wild on an Orange-branded flavour of the lovely Hermes, does T-Mobile have any kind of an ETA (be that from Microsoft themselves, TM head office or otherwise) for rolling it out to its Vario 2 customers?
I've read that Crossbow most likely won't be AKU3 of WM5, instead being an entirely new update which will be released before Microsoft release their Photon OS, and I've also seen it described as Windows Mobile 6 - but yeah, now that there's shots of an M3100 running it, it can't be that far from retail release, so I was just wondering if you had/have any plans in the works for letting us customers get it for their devices!
Cheers in advance
Christopher
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... Oh well. :/

that sucks :-(

He also is saying that there wont be a AKU3.x at all for the Hermes, and I think that's a load of BS. What he's saying is, if we want the latest AKU's, we have to buy new devices, FU buddy (the t-mobile guy that is)!

I'd say we need to concentrate on getting Buzz to update his stealth rom dumper.

If anyone has their hands on a Crossbow Hermes, get in touch with us. Buzz is temporarily detained, but source code of grabbit is available if required. What's needed?
Use Mamaich's rom dumper, the wiki solution or Pof's solution if you can. If not, contact a mod.
I suggest that it's unlikely an official Crossbow upgrade will come for Hermes. BUT the Samsung CPU has been popular and I imagine HTC will base a number of upcoming devices on the architecture. If so, a possible leaked rom may be hackable.
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Sleuth255 said:
I'd say we need to concentrate on getting Buzz to update his stealth rom dumper.
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A dump from WinCE is not as good as a dump from bootloader.
Someone should write a windows tool that communicates to bootloader over USB and does all the 'rbmc' commands needed to dump xbow.
Sleuth255: I see you've developed several apps... are you able to write such a tool if i give you the right bootloader commands? USB is seen as a serial device.

Keeping this thread alive and on top, maybe seen before, lots of Crossbow screenshots on this site:
http://www.pgcw.com.cn/newsdetail.asp?id=1366#here

How can we make it stealthy though? I may get my hands on a CrossBow equipped Hermes during MEDC 2K7 in May, but if I do, it'll most likely be in the exhibit area for only 5-10 minutes. This is why something like buzz's solution is so compelling.
I can certainly work on an app that will pull the ROM image when a device in bootloader mode is connected up to a PC. Having this certainly increases our chances if someone does manage to get one for a few hours.
I'll see what I can code up, but IMO we should also pursue buzz's stealth solution. Go ahead and point me towards the commands pof.. I can start with the instructions you left for tsuishui.

christopherwoods said:
After Crossbow was spotted running on an M3100 earlier this month, I fired off an email to T-Mobile asking them whether it would ever be available for the punters... Got a reply today:
... Oh well. :/
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Reading the message with open mind and not only with the eyes I read:
1) The man answering doesn't even knows the difference between OS and AKU. He speaks about 2003 and 2005 as AKU difference: ISN'T AKU, is a new OS release!
2) The same fellow doesn't even know the NAME of OSes! 2003 was right but we have Windows Mobile 5 an NOT 2005!
3) He is a man from the customer service, or, worst, probabily the answer comes from Tmobile marketing man, with little or no knowledge about the future of windows mobile devices, he knows about the past but seem really short sighted abut the future
4) The answer is the only answer he could give: if he will say "may be.." or "we will see" everyone will start asking WHEN, boring him from is well paid chair, so is better to say "no", beacuse "no" was the answer given since yesterday and worked! They don't sell devices, the sell radio time and traffic
5) In the Operators market strong agreements exists between MS and operators and marketing doesn't drive, they follow!
Overclock the brain reading messages and spokesmen transcripts from companies, not only eyes and be carefull when asking something simple but revolutionary to a large and with good revenues company: 90% of answers will be NO

Crossbow will become available?

...the topic says it all. (talking for trinity of course)
MS announced it officially.
Anybody heard anything?

That is a question for some old HTC/QTEK users, if they managed to install newer OS on some older devices than maybe there is a hope for Trinity also in future.

banesi said:
That is a question for some old HTC/QTEK users, if they managed to install newer OS on some older devices than maybe there is a hope for Trinity also in future.
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Best thing that could happen to a Trinity user: HTC releasing ROM to include WM6, GPS Functionality, FM Radio Enabled (if the H/W exists) all before the end of the month.
After moving from XP to Vista, using WM5 just doesn't feel right anymore.

I would be very surprised if HTC would give away a brand new OS for free. Expect to pay for it, if it is released at all.

Loboman said:
I would be very surprised if HTC would give away a brand new OS for free. Expect to pay for it, if it is released at all.
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I am taking bets on HTC not releasing any Crossbow ROMs for the current line of products.

anonimo said:
I am taking bets on HTC not releasing any Crossbow ROMs for the current line of products.
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I'm probably going to wander off to the Eten corner if HTC do this to us.

Someone have actually mailed to Dopod(owned by HTC) and they replied that they will not offer WM6 upgrade to any of the existing WM5 models. They only said that new WM6 model will be out soon. So...

X1 WM6.5 / 7 Update

Hi Guys
New to this and have to say what a forum but can anyone answer this little pain in the **** Q. Will we be able to update to wm6.5 or 7 as its making me think twice about getting my X1 when O2 finaly re stock. The last thing I need i a 18mth contract on a out of date phone........
R
Stu

6.5 might but SE is known for not releasing updated OS's for their phones. You can probably get it with a cooked ROM. 7 will be a no-no, as it will mostly require an accelerometer in the phone.

I doubt you'll be able to upgrade to 7 if it needs multitouch screen, but can't see why 6.5 would be a problem unless that also needs it..
18months, wm7 might be released by then, but is it really likely?

looks like IE6 is a no go so I am realy starting to wonder if we will see a 6.5 update would i be better off with a HTC touch HD?

sonystu said:
looks like IE6 is a no go so I am realy starting to wonder if we will see a 6.5 update would i be better off with a HTC touch HD?
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Why is it?
theres an early build of IE6 out there, it needs to be cooked into a rom.
A couple of other older devices already have roms released with IE6 in them, the HD and the xperia have pretty much the same internals.

Looking to upgrade to Internet Explorer 6 Mobile (also known as Pocket Internet Explorer 6 or PIE 6) for Windows Mobile? Well, get a new handset! Microsoft is taking a stance that the new browser will require more advanced hardware according to Pocket PC Thoughts.
"Regarding making IE Mobile available as a separate download or update, the rich media experiences that IE Mobile 6 enables require more powerful, advanced devices. That is why it will not be available as an upgrade or direct download for current phones, but rather will be made available on new phones."
So there you have it. No separate installer, no IE 6 Mobile cab installer, and no "updates" pushed out through HTC, AT&T, Verizon, or whatever carrier you have. Microsoft and its partners want you to purchase new phones to support these new "rich media experiences" promised by the new browser.
Looks like some ROM cooking is going to be needed.........

sonystu said:
Looking to upgrade to Internet Explorer 6 Mobile (also known as Pocket Internet Explorer 6 or PIE 6) for Windows Mobile? Well, get a new handset! Microsoft is taking a stance that the new browser will require more advanced hardware according to Pocket PC Thoughts.
"Regarding making IE Mobile available as a separate download or update, the rich media experiences that IE Mobile 6 enables require more powerful, advanced devices. That is why it will not be available as an upgrade or direct download for current phones, but rather will be made available on new phones."
So there you have it. No separate installer, no IE 6 Mobile cab installer, and no "updates" pushed out through HTC, AT&T, Verizon, or whatever carrier you have. Microsoft and its partners want you to purchase new phones to support these new "rich media experiences" promised by the new browser.
Looks like some ROM cooking is going to be needed.........
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nothing new there, doesn't mean you need a new phone, just the usual MS drivel...
Michyprima has it working on the Athena, which is nearly 2 years old, so I can't see it being a problem on the X1 which is a lot more powerful.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=411371
here's the discussion thread, there's some cabs linked
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=444882
Of course fennec will be out in (beta at least) soon, and if it works as well as it's fullblown sibling IE6 will become increasingly irrelevant.

Can some one help me out with understanding windows 7 mobile please?
how can it be multitouch?
i thought that apple had a patent that said they have the rights to a multi touch devices?
or is that just for a limited ammount of time?
why shouldnt the x1 be capable of multitouch too?

I think the real one to worry about is 6.5 as 7 looks like 2010 from what i can make out 7 needs a G sensor and the x1 has not got one.... I am starting to think this phone is out dated as it should have come out in feb...... As for the iphone well i dont think they have any rights to a screen.

An HP tablet with multi-touch was announced the other day so I don't think Apple have exclusive rights to it...

wm7 will come in many diffrent versions.
Ppl are claiming stuff in this thread that has no root in reality.
Here is a nice rule for daily use:
"Stop commenting about what you dont know"
cheers

I got my info from Pocket PC so dont take it as the hole truth but really the only question i have is will we see the 6.5 update as lets face it come wm7 sony will be on the x8 or 9 i work for a sony dealer in the uk and we still dont know......

sonystu said:
I got my info from Pocket PC so dont take it as the hole truth but really the only question i have is will we see the 6.5 update as lets face it come wm7 sony will be on the x8 or 9 i work for a sony dealer in the uk and we still dont know......
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what sony do or dont, or htc for all that matters..dont really bother me.
But wm6.5 and 7 will come for different devices with different specs. And when it comes to porting over...duh...Its always said that it cant be done...
cheers

as great devices with wm7 gets out wm8 will haunt in the mists making people think if it's a good idear to buy those wm7 devices or if they should wait for the wm8 ones

Rudegar said:
as great devices with wm7 gets out wm8 will haunt in the mists making people think if it's a good idear to buy those wm7 devices or if they should wait for the wm8 ones
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lol, thats true. Thats how it always will be

Is there any reason to believe WM7 would actually improve on what the X1 is already running anyway?
Granted WM6 was a HUGE improvement over WM5 on my Wizard. But you cannot assume that the improvements will always be that noticable.

ok i think we all have some good points and yep lets face it you have got to jump in some time. Really i think the guys are going to stick with this and when need will get a wm6.5 rom up and running. So on that note its back to the O2 web site hitting refresh all day every day until its back in stock!! Anything has got to be better than my old N95 as i have had it from day 1...........

Alex Atkin UK said:
Is there any reason to believe WM7 would actually improve on what the X1 is already running anyway?
Granted WM6 was a HUGE improvement over WM5 on my Wizard. But you cannot assume that the improvements will always be that noticable.
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Tons of reason..****, even 6.5 promises to be a massive improvement. WM6 was built for PDAs using a stylus. 6.5 is likely going to be a completely revamped UI along with bug fixes and likely better memory management which is another thing that is a problem with WM6. Basically 6.5 will see vast improvement for touch screen using fingers and there should no longer be a need for a stylus. WM7 will be beyond this and offer new ways to control your device. Multiple input support not only using an accelerometer, but potentially built in cameras etc. WM7 is poised to be a major advancement in the way you interact with your hand held device.

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Tons of reason..****, even 6.5 promises to be a massive improvement. WM6 was built for PDAs using a stylus. 6.5 is likely going to be a completely revamped UI along with bug fixes and likely better memory management which is another thing that is a problem with WM6. Basically 6.5 will see vast improvement for touch screen using fingers and there should no longer be a need for a stylus. WM7 will be beyond this and offer new ways to control your device. Multiple input support not only using an accelerometer, but potentially built in cameras etc. WM7 is poised to be a major advancement in the way you interact with your hand held device.
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Source? or speculation

Now that 6.5 is out of beta and officially released, i wonder how long it takes before a non beta cooked 6.5 version comes out.... really hoping for that one hehe