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Is there any other WM2003 ROM other then Tmo 4.00.10??

I've heard about OZONE...anyone used it before and does a comparision between OZONE and the Tmo 4.00.10 ROM?

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go here http://cuba.calyx.nl/~jsummers/ROMkitchen/ and build your own rom

Ozone was the first release of 2003. I believe it to be a base MS 2003. Had some bugs but IMHO I think it was the most stable minus the alarm bug, which plagues non Phone Edition 2003 devices. More so I find most of the new ROM versions floating around very suspect (i.e. their source/not those who gave them to us here but from which they came before) particularly 4.00.10! boot loader killer, snarky behavior, not being able to install any other version, etc. The first version never dropped a GPRS connection on my device. Every ROM version up has been temperamental in this department. I haven't had a chance to ping and group all the aliases of heavily pro 4.00.10 posts to see if there is any common agenda, no I'm just spreading rumors but would be fun to discover a little cyber software counter intelligence :shock: where's Tom Clancy when you need him :lol: anyway happy hunting. I also am particularly interested in comparisons against the new T-Mo radio upgrade avail on US devices just to see if it plays a similar roll. Remember this is all just conjecture, but fun non-the less. Who know with a little group effort by all us here, we can control the purity of intent with our fellow forum friends. Great job XDA-Developers and to all us users lets keep it pure :wink:
A little speculation is just fun don't anyone go psycho and start pointing fingers :roll: if some sinister plot is truly uncovered a cleaver post here or there will help moderators to quietly electronically solve the problem 8) facts+diplomacy the ultimate %#@K you 8)
Happy conspiracy hunting :twisted:

Win2k5 - Platform Builder, Post comments here please

Anansky, with your experties and knowledge please look into the possibilities to run win2k5 on the magician. I am sure everyone here is willing to help in any way possible. YOU ARE OUR LAST HOPE!

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Anansky, with your experties and knowledge please look into the possibilities to run win2k5 on the magician. I am sure everyone here is willing to help in any way possible. YOU ARE OUR LAST HOPE!
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Maybe it's worth to put a price on such desires I would have been happy to pay HTC for $$$ for an upgrade, but they appear to foolishly expect me to buy a new device (not happening, almost sold my unit on ebay but canceled the auction as it's still a good device). I'd personally pay someone 50 bucks if they got it up and working to an acceptable level. I'll pass the collection tray...

Yes, thats how we all feel. I'm sure our device is capable of running WM2k5 and that is what i can't understand. By the way, has anyone seen anansky recently?

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Yes, thats how we all feel. I'm sure our device is capable of running WM2k5 and that is what i can't understand. By the way, has anyone seen anansky recently?
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Yep, and the Magician would have only just passed it's 6th month aniversary when it was announced it wasn't gettin WM2K5. Talk about planned obsolescence. And before anyone says it's only got 64MB ROM, HP announced that their model that has 64MB ROM *is* getting WM2K5 so it's clear that HTC just want to milk our wallets some more.
Sure, I wouldn't mind so much if the existing OS got a few things fixed and tidied up a bit but fat chance of that, the cash cow has already moved in. I'm not purchasing any more Pocket PC related heardware/software until this situation is sorted out (anyway, I've bought all the 3rd party apps I need now). I feel like any additional dollar I put into this market will only serve to support it's current structure and I have more principle than that. Of course, like I said, I am more than happy to pay for an upgrade, but I find it incredibly extravagent to fork out another small fortune for a new device. I'm not going to play ball, roll over, set, beg and pay at HTC's mercy Toshiba really alienated it's users over lack of upgrades before and it's interesting seeing companies continuing that trend because us geeks just keep on buying no matter what :roll:
Anyway, what is it exactly that everyone feels is needed that WM2K5 provides? For me it is a better dialing interface, I'm not particularly fussed about the non-volatile storage as the Magician has a good enough battery life to make charging a non-issue for me. Perhaps we should all start up various open source projects to improve WM2K3 to get ourselves better returns on our investments (hey, I guess that's what's been going on here for ages now anyway, hehe)? I've personally been eyeing off the dialer interface in WM2K5 and think it looks a lot more logically laid out for single handed operation.... Hmmmm.... nice project... :lol:

I just bought a magician to replace my XDA2 and i'm happy enough with WM2003SE (which i only just flashed to my XDA2) as it's stable and does everything I need. Bar some interface improvements WM2005 only seems to add NV storage to the arguement to upgrade and Sprite takes care of that problem for me now..
I think we will see WM2005 for the magician eventually anyway (unofficially) and i'm quite happy to keep my current (magician) device for 12 months until my contract runs out..

Correct me if i'm wrong but i've downloaded microsoft platform builder which supposingly creates a custom platform for a device. I'm trying to see all of its features but it seems pretty straight-forward. It allows you to add the components you like, the drivers you want. I think we could be able to use our current drivers. It then builds a .nk file that you upload to your device. I think this is the correct direction. If someone likes to help, download the platform builder (trial from microsoft) and post any comments here.

andrew_sh said:
Correct me if i'm wrong but i've downloaded microsoft platform builder which supposingly creates a custom platform for a device. I'm trying to see all of its features but it seems pretty straight-forward. It allows you to add the components you like, the drivers you want. I think we could be able to use our current drivers. It then builds a .nk file that you upload to your device. I think this is the correct direction. If someone likes to help, download the platform builder (trial from microsoft) and post any comments here.
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I believe that will allow you to only build the CE 5.0 kernel. WM2k5 is a layer on top of that. Also, device drivers would be another issue entirely. I think it might be a bit job, but wait in hope that somebody can prove me wrong :lol:

If i experiment flashing different files to the magician. is there a possibility to destroy the bootloader? Are there any safeguards? How can somebody destroy the bootloader?

Don't hold out for Crossbow on the Hermes (on the Vario 2, at least)

After Crossbow was spotted running on an M3100 earlier this month, I fired off an email to T-Mobile asking them whether it would ever be available for the punters... Got a reply today:
The helpful Jann at T-Mobile said:
Good Morning Mr Woods
Thank you for your enquiry regarding handset updates.
So far the new AKU versions have all came out with new devices and the upgrade has never been supported from eg 2003 to 2005. if this will be available for the Crossbow then I don?t know.
From a t-mobile marketing point of view I would say it probably won't be available.
Kind Regards
Jann
T-Mobile
On 13/12/06 00:01, I wrote:
[From .CO.UK]
message:Now that Crossbow has been sighted in the wild on an Orange-branded flavour of the lovely Hermes, does T-Mobile have any kind of an ETA (be that from Microsoft themselves, TM head office or otherwise) for rolling it out to its Vario 2 customers?
I've read that Crossbow most likely won't be AKU3 of WM5, instead being an entirely new update which will be released before Microsoft release their Photon OS, and I've also seen it described as Windows Mobile 6 - but yeah, now that there's shots of an M3100 running it, it can't be that far from retail release, so I was just wondering if you had/have any plans in the works for letting us customers get it for their devices!
Cheers in advance
Christopher
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... Oh well. :/

that sucks :-(

He also is saying that there wont be a AKU3.x at all for the Hermes, and I think that's a load of BS. What he's saying is, if we want the latest AKU's, we have to buy new devices, FU buddy (the t-mobile guy that is)!

I'd say we need to concentrate on getting Buzz to update his stealth rom dumper.

If anyone has their hands on a Crossbow Hermes, get in touch with us. Buzz is temporarily detained, but source code of grabbit is available if required. What's needed?
Use Mamaich's rom dumper, the wiki solution or Pof's solution if you can. If not, contact a mod.
I suggest that it's unlikely an official Crossbow upgrade will come for Hermes. BUT the Samsung CPU has been popular and I imagine HTC will base a number of upcoming devices on the architecture. If so, a possible leaked rom may be hackable.
V

Sleuth255 said:
I'd say we need to concentrate on getting Buzz to update his stealth rom dumper.
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A dump from WinCE is not as good as a dump from bootloader.
Someone should write a windows tool that communicates to bootloader over USB and does all the 'rbmc' commands needed to dump xbow.
Sleuth255: I see you've developed several apps... are you able to write such a tool if i give you the right bootloader commands? USB is seen as a serial device.

Keeping this thread alive and on top, maybe seen before, lots of Crossbow screenshots on this site:
http://www.pgcw.com.cn/newsdetail.asp?id=1366#here

How can we make it stealthy though? I may get my hands on a CrossBow equipped Hermes during MEDC 2K7 in May, but if I do, it'll most likely be in the exhibit area for only 5-10 minutes. This is why something like buzz's solution is so compelling.
I can certainly work on an app that will pull the ROM image when a device in bootloader mode is connected up to a PC. Having this certainly increases our chances if someone does manage to get one for a few hours.
I'll see what I can code up, but IMO we should also pursue buzz's stealth solution. Go ahead and point me towards the commands pof.. I can start with the instructions you left for tsuishui.

christopherwoods said:
After Crossbow was spotted running on an M3100 earlier this month, I fired off an email to T-Mobile asking them whether it would ever be available for the punters... Got a reply today:
... Oh well. :/
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Reading the message with open mind and not only with the eyes I read:
1) The man answering doesn't even knows the difference between OS and AKU. He speaks about 2003 and 2005 as AKU difference: ISN'T AKU, is a new OS release!
2) The same fellow doesn't even know the NAME of OSes! 2003 was right but we have Windows Mobile 5 an NOT 2005!
3) He is a man from the customer service, or, worst, probabily the answer comes from Tmobile marketing man, with little or no knowledge about the future of windows mobile devices, he knows about the past but seem really short sighted abut the future
4) The answer is the only answer he could give: if he will say "may be.." or "we will see" everyone will start asking WHEN, boring him from is well paid chair, so is better to say "no", beacuse "no" was the answer given since yesterday and worked! They don't sell devices, the sell radio time and traffic
5) In the Operators market strong agreements exists between MS and operators and marketing doesn't drive, they follow!
Overclock the brain reading messages and spokesmen transcripts from companies, not only eyes and be carefull when asking something simple but revolutionary to a large and with good revenues company: 90% of answers will be NO

T-mobile Upgrading to WM6????

Check this out...
http://www.infoworld.com/article/07...om/article/07/02/13/HNtmobilepushemail_1.html
"The company is looking at the new Windows Mobile 6.0. "I don't know yet if our Windows Mobile 5.0 handsets can support 6.0," he said. "If so and if we can use our Web site to allow customers to download the new operating system, then maybe this will be a possibility. I guess the answer is if we can upgrade easily, then yes."
So T-mobile might upgrade the Wizard to WM6...am I reading that right?

wm1 said:
Check this out...
http://www.infoworld.com/article/07...om/article/07/02/13/HNtmobilepushemail_1.html
"The company is looking at the new Windows Mobile 6.0. "I don't know yet if our Windows Mobile 5.0 handsets can support 6.0," he said. "If so and if we can use our Web site to allow customers to download the new operating system, then maybe this will be a possibility. I guess the answer is if we can upgrade easily, then yes."
So T-mobile might upgrade the Wizard to WM6...am I reading that right?
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Seems like they are thinking about it...good find.
--M

I'll bet money on this not happening (officially.....)
Since WM2003 & all the WM2003SE fiasco with the lack of updates for devices that would be easily compatible you have to understand the market; WM6 and the cost of a new device as opposed to WM6 software development on a legacy (slow & poor camera resolution) device?
Believe me it won't happen - I have a nice stetson here waiting to be eaten.......
Andy

But there has never before been an update this close to the version before with the exception of WM2003SE (which was very hardware orientated and thus made upgrading either not worth it due to lack of features or impossible) but with WM6 it is very compatible with WM5 as it is still a 5.x.x build version making the new features worthwhile without really requiring any new hardware. I would say chances are increased with this as not really any new driver development is necessary nor do T-mobile have to alter their applications to work with WM6.

Not happening
My brother is in IT for T-Mobile and he informed me that they will not be upgrading the MDA.

randomn0ise said:
My brother is in IT for T-Mobile and he informed me that they will not be upgrading the MDA.
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Ask him if they are going to get a faster version of the MDA (like the Hermes/8525/etc).
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randomn0ise said:
My brother is in IT for T-Mobile and he informed me that they will not be upgrading the MDA.
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I didn't think they would. It would have been nice; then we could have had some really good cooked roms from it.

randomn0ise said:
My brother is in IT for T-Mobile and he informed me that they will not be upgrading the MDA.
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Sorry not putting you down, but just cus one person has been told that it is not going to happen does not mean that t-mobile will do a U turn!!! It would cost them more money not to as we will still play with WM6 and it would be cheaper to give out a base. Cus dumb people will flash the phone and mess it up and t-mobile will have to replace them!! Cus if i mess up my phone i will just claim a new one, and they have to give me a new one!! Cus all you have to do is damage the phone so they replace that way.

I have received somewhat reliable news that T-Mobile US WILL support an upgrade to WM6 for the Dash.
Again, this is somewhat reliable, not 100% so don't hold your breath (not that you would seeing that it's for the Dash and NOT the MDA).

well what i dont get is, that the news item says about if it would work with the PPC, the t-mobile people should come on here and see that it does work, and they would not need to do any work on it! Just putout a bare bones WM6 rom and the people here would do the work to make it better! (I am sure that MS would be happy if the operaters are)

POLL: % of hermes users running WM6

Guys (and gals), just wondering what the %'s work out as for the people running WM6 in place of 5 on there hermes.
And as an aside, hows it going and anything you have noticed as a negative..
Thanks andy

guess i probably should ask, after you have upgraded, can you leave it alone, or is it one rom after another?

i have done the update on my orange 3100 which i think is a brand of HTC and all works brill!!!!!!! god i wish i did this ages ago

I used to upgrade to newer or older more stable WM5 roms every month after I got my 8525. I think I flashed my SDA a dozen times in 3 months. After I put the last WM6 rom on my 8525 I haven't touched it since. There are a few backlight and keyboard glitches that have tempted me to try another firmware but I haven't been annoyed enough to worry about it.
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guess i probably should ask, after you have upgraded, can you leave it alone, or is it one rom after another?
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does this mean that the wm6 upgrades do not have battery issues etc like the universal upgrades had?
can you roll back to original rom if needing to send back under warranty?

I figure that because my wm5 has no problems at all I should not screw with it. On the other hand, the wm6 on my trinity is full of bugs and will be updated soon.

Mine came with wm6 and runs flawlessly. I thought I would mess with a new rom but ... if it ain't broke I ain't gonna fix it.

Interesting that the % of wm6 users is as high as it is. I would have expected a lower % but it would appear the flashing path is well trodden.
I am sort of thinking alone the lines if it aint broke... but then maybe wm 6 would be nice too lol

geekyhawkes said:
Interesting that the % of wm6 users is as high as it is. I would have expected a lower % but it would appear the flashing path is well trodden.
I am sort of thinking alone the lines if it aint broke... but then maybe wm 6 would be nice too lol
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Geek,
The only way to be sure, apart from this poll, is to do shedloads of research and reading off this forum eg the wiki, the mr vanx guides, all the stuff on fixing your phone if you brick it, the hard spl stuff, the forums, etc. When you have fully assimilated the info and KNOW what you need to do to protect yourself BEFORE you flash, then go ahead and flash.
The Mr Vanx guides will also tell you how to return to WM5 if you want to (why you would want to do this is a mystery).
I spent 8 weeks reading everything connected with upgrading to WM6 on here BEFORE I jumped. I took every precaution I could find, triple checked EVERYTHING, then I did the deed.
The rest, as they say, is history. Go on, you know you want to..!!
WB

There should be a third option:
"Yes I did, no issues, but not worth the effort."
WM6 isn't that big of a deal. WM6 is nicer to look at but if I wanted pretty there's the iPhone instead.
I don't regret moving to WM6 and will never use WM5 again, but I give the whole issue very little thought. Frankly I'm surprised anyone really cares.
I wonder if PC forums have these sorts of discussions about which Windows OS they are using on their computers in spite of all of the versions being basically the same from a usage standpoint over the past 12 years.

lol I think WM6 no issues is winning haha

Doom Tints said:
There should be a third option:
"Yes I did, no issues, but not worth the effort." WM6 isn't that big of a deal. .
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Hmmm,
Not sure I would agree with this statement. The key reason why I moved to WM6 from WM5 was that WM5, as received from the manufacturer, was so unstable in day-to-day operation that I was on the brink of selling my Tytn and moving back to a Symbian device.
WM6 has given me masses of stability and the Tytn has stayed. Interestingly, the level of stability that I now experience has come from a fully loaded cooked ROM. I'm not sure what the experience is for others on the stock WM6 ROM; however it worked for me.
Each to his own, of course.
WB

I am still running WM5, a couple of people I work with have just upgraded thier devices to WM6 Schapps ROM and are reporting no issues.
My WM5 crashes every now and then or doesn't "wake up" from a standby, but I guess thats just something we have to live with !?! Or is that wrong ?
Apart from the HTML email support, and a suppossed speed increase I am not sure it is worth the risk of upgrading (?) My device is still in warranty so I am maybe being over cautious ?

dmj1973 said:
I am still running WM5, a couple of people I work with have just upgraded thier devices to WM6 Schapps ROM and are reporting no issues.
My WM5 crashes every now and then or doesn't "wake up" from a standby, but I guess thats just something we have to live with !?! Or is that wrong ?
Apart from the HTML email support, and a suppossed speed increase I am not sure it is worth the risk of upgrading (?) My device is still in warranty so I am maybe being over cautious ?
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No,
Having paid your hard eaned cash for a device you should not have to put up with crashes or unpredicatble performance/behavior.
My device had 6 months warranty left on it when I upgraded the OS. It still has 3 months to go. What are you worried about?
If you take a serious amount of time out to understand the process, potential pitfalls, preventative measures and remedies associated with ROM upgrading, and use some common sense, I don't see why you should not be ok.
The decision, as with everything in life, is yours...
WB

Fair comment WB, fair comment.

I agree with the above, most who use WM6 don't go backward to 5! It's a progression to the latest and greatest which includes better interfaces, support & development. When ever WM7 comes out, then we'll be moving forward to that one...
BTW: there have been numerous polls already, so this seems redundant.

You'll mess with it a lot the first day or two, but once you find a ROM you like, that's it!

Glad to see no one is bricked when I vote!

somewhat useless thread
Tianjun said:
Glad to see no one is bricked when I vote!
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Right! Why would WM6 "brick" it? Like asking, "Did Vista brick your PC?"

Is it possible to return to WM5 in case WM6 fails to satisfy
Hi friends after looking at the results I am planning to shift to WM6 in my Orange SPV 3100...Is it possible to have this OS in my Orange..Anybody plz tell me what is the difference b/w both of these OS I mean whats new in WM6 which wasn't there in WM5..