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I am the happy owner of a T-Mobile labeled XDA and now a QTek Tanager. I was wondering if anyone was working on a similar ROM load for the Tanager/SPVx and/or the SPV MS SmartPhones?
Thanks!
for all stuffs concerning SPV have a look at www.modaco.com, and our french site www.smartphony.org
There is not much evolution on smartphone OS since ROM 1.45
Oh, I'm already addicted to those sites (and use babelfish.altavista.com to translate smartphony for me- my years of French in high school has failed me miserably). I just haven't seen any movement on customized ROMS a la the XDA clones.
Optimize the GPRS stack- load apps into ROM (space permitting)- stabilize the phone... you get the idea. If I were enterprising enough, I might even try the tools on this site to hack away, but alas my coding skills are far out of date.
We've seen that all Windows CE-like ROMs are very similar in structure to the XDAs ROM. However, we presently have little time to extend our work to other devices: we're already spendng quite a bit too much time on this hobby as it is.
Is the SPV still buggy as hell, or have they improved it?
Well buggy as hell isnt the right description for the problems in the SPV!!!
The best thing is that each day you discover something new "New Bug" and that is the best thing in the SPV each day you have a surprise so you can benefit from it all day long. Lockups are fun for exemple.... they keep you busy, battery is excellent for 24h i mean why should we talk allot mobile phone are made for their looks only not to be used!
And ifffffffffff by mistake you have removed the SD card dont think you can use it again till you turn off - on the device nice ehhhh?
What more i think this is the short list, hope your happy if you need more info i am glad to have a full detailed report for you about maybe 100 pages?
I was hopping for a ROM update from SMART for my SPV and the good news is that they got one 2 days ago... the updates "NO BUG FIXES" yeah i know isnt it great....... oops one more thing i am just waiting for my QTEK to come back from the dealer for some modifications and then i am throwing my SPV out of the balcony
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hehehe ARZLEb got a tooth against the SPV
Well i ve been using it for its early beginning when working on the project with Orange france last year, that is right The OS is very buggy but i works even.
The Radio stack was part of the first major upgrade 4 month ago and it has been improved a lot.
The main problem is that SPV is underclocked voluntary from 133 to 84 mghz and only have 16 M Rom aviable.
And people using it deserve to have a PDA like, i m sorry guys but this is more a phone than a PDA
so the more software and skins and stuff the put into it the slower and buggy it runs
The teenage (SPV E100) is nothing more than a SPV in a new plastic package. same hardware except for the screen that has been improved (personnaly i found the rigianl one quite good 65 K on a phone that s great).
People are working on hacks, you might have heard of us at the early beginning of the year for our crack of the orange signature that allowed users to put unsigned softwares on the SPV, and make this phone maket share growth in France.
Such kind of phone without software isn t worth buying it.
We all are waiting for the new rom based like ppc2003 on the .net framework
it is a bit harder to hack the SPV ROM because it is mainly based on the PPC framework, but we have nearly no documentations about the specificities and modifications applied to SPV.
Argh. 'tis disappointing!
I believe that a ROM update similar to the XDA's would do wonders for the platform! Stabilize it, add more features, and maybe make its radio a little more sensitive. I understand the overall reluctance due to minimal documentation and fewer devices sold (and the Gods of the XDA ROM are busy updating the image for those awesome PPCPEs!).
Grrrr. What a platform this little Tanager could be...
In fact I'm using dumprom to study our beloved SPV ... with the separate XIP images (oem, sfon, lang, oper) - if dumprom works, makerom should probably work too, and be less dangerous than a full flash as we have (theorically) no possiblity to fry the bootloader ... just need more people with free time to try it 8)
If I can get assistance with step-by-steps on how to save my current ROM, then sign me up!
As stated at
http://www.ppcw.net/index.php?itemid=1662
in an official comment
T-Mobile was the first carrier to deliver the Microsoft Pocket PC Phone Edition and is committed to the support of this product. We will be providing the 2003 upgrade to our customers.
The standard Pocket PC 2003 version, used by many Pocket PC PDA's, doesn't include the needed software and hardware to operate as a phone. The additional time need for integration and testing ensures the highest level of customer satisfaction.
Chris Archey
Product Manager Pocket PC Phone Edition
T-Mobile
So ... we're looking forward for this.
About the 4.01.00 I think T-Mobile will have here, on xda-developers, an excellent testing bed.
Thanks T-Mobile
thanks t-mobile...
It's a good point... why do they go on with all the secrecy crap when they've got the best test bed in the world right here. We're getting their test ROM's anyway, but it seems we're only testing something that's already been tested and discarded.
Can someone tell them "we told you so" when they release the final and it's got glaring bugs?
I suspect part of the reason is that they don't want to have to lend tech support to those who have issues with beta products.
Upgrading ROMs isn't exactly something I'd recommend for the casual user (Although, XDA users obviously are higher on the nerd factor, so I shouldnt say we can't handle it!)
Think about how many people come in here asking how to fix the PPCPhone they've just toasted doing a rom update. Combine that with the problems they've had with SD card erasures, and the wireless data people at T-Mobile would be awful busy fielding questions.
That being said, it would be kinda cool if they released the roms to xda-developers.com and let there be sort of an "official unofficial" extension of the beta program!
I think one reason they don't want to do a 'public' beta would be to discourage casual or non-technical users from trying to upgrade their devices. In case there are folks who don't really understand what they are doing, T-Mobile could end up with units with blown radio stacks, etc. This could create more work from them than it might otherwise solve.
That being said, it would be cool if you could 'apply' to a beta program.
SO...BASICALLY.....WUT UR TELLIN ME....IS...THAT...IM......A....NERD
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SO...BASICALLY.....WUT UR TELLIN ME....IS...THAT...IM......A....NERD
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only on the positive side :wink:
JUICEe
no biggy as long as your mum think you're cool
http://www.intuwave.com/index.php?page=news_articles&id=69
here is a article about why your std joe user not only update his bios
but also run away screeming from the xda while waving his hands in panic
all while waving his hands in panic
Objection to the Nerd Reference
I object to the Nerd reference... I am not a Nerd, I am a geek :wink: , even have the Microsoft Services Ubergeek bumper sticker to prove it.
Robert H.
your on your own there buddy, I would never deface my car with a sticker of any sort
Also, on the secrecy bit here, I fall somewhere in the middle. I don't think they should release the test version to the general public (for the general reason that 99% of end users are Idiots and the extra support load would be gruesome for the support personnel) but it would be nice for them to communicate accurate information about the status of upcoming upgrades to the support personnel so I don't get answers like the one I recieved earlier. I see no reason for them not to tell the support personnel "Yes we will be releasing the pocketPC 2003 upgrade, but it is still in testing and we do not have any indication of what the release date will be" and permit them to pass that on to folks who ask the question "When will the Pocket PC 2003 Upgrade be availiable?".
Robert H.
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Also, on the secrecy bit here, I fall somewhere in the middle. I don't think they should release the test version to the general public (for the general reason that 99% of end users are Idiots and the extra support load would be gruesome for the support personnel) but it would be nice for them to communicate accurate information about the status of upcoming upgrades to the support personnel so I don't get answers like the one I recieved earlier. I see no reason for them not to tell the support personnel "Yes we will be releasing the pocketPC 2003 upgrade, but it is still in testing and we do not have any indication of what the release date will be" and permit them to pass that on to folks who ask the question "When will the Pocket PC 2003 Upgrade be availiable?".
Robert H.
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Totally agree with you. However, internal communicaitons are typically bad in siloed organizations with geographically dispersed service centers such as T-Mobile.
Anything new?
It's been a month since I have heard anything new on T-Mobile releasing WM2003. Has anyone heard anything?
I tried 4.01.00 and had problems with SD erasing and phone lockups. I reverted back to 3.14 and will wait for something a little more stable.
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It's been a month since I have heard anything new on T-Mobile releasing WM2003. Has anyone heard anything?
I tried 4.01.00 and had problems with SD erasing and phone lockups. I reverted back to 3.14 and will wait for something a little more stable.
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Hmmmmmm... Why does everyone have problems but me with the SD card erasing :?:
MrDollyMaker
That is a very good question! MrDollyMaker
What type of card do you have?
Does it have a name or ID?
I found root problem to the SD erasures was in the way the TMO and AT&T radio Stacks were addressing the hardware and memory locs for the SD Card and renaming it every time there was a change in cell towers or going into ROAM modes. :x
The problem stopped one I formated and named my SD card in an outside reader and ensured the device registry read that port under that name and not assigned it a new name. So no more SD erasures since I did my 4.01 update.
PS: I sent all the logs, the apps and info to both carries, but no reply as of yet! :roll:
Grrrrr! Just had my first sd card erasure in forever. I hadn't had that happen since probably the 4.00.06 version!
Oh well looks like a friday night of pocketpc reinstallation fun for me
T-Mobile Windows Mobile 2003 HOAX
I could care less about the who, what when where and why of the realease lateness. It is obvious to me at this point that they dont have very good developers at T-mobile for the Pocket PC release. The last release had a lot of the T-mobile software removed anyway.
At this point. As a developer and a scienent being I'd like T-mobile to release a beta to some people. My phone is unstable. I have had several handset replacements, because they think it will solve the problem. Nope.. Nada Zippo.
I'd be AFRAID to get an XDA II at this point.
I use my Sony Erisson T610 most of the time now.
The fact that several other providers have already released the Windows Mobile 2003 several months ago is pretty darn good evidence to stupidity or serious problems somewhere.
You make the call as to which applies.
-Disgruntled Pocket PC owner
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and I hate those damn smileys but Im pissed!
no one need T-mobile WM 2003!
who needs T-mobile WM 2003!, it is unstable and buggy, and almost useless!
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That is a very good question! MrDollyMaker
What type of card do you have?
Does it have a name or ID?
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It's a Lexar. Well both are. I have a 32mb and a 256mb card. Both were formated with Softwinter Storage Tools and used the backup Fat option, so that might be what prevents it. It's named "Storage Card" by default. File system is FAT32, sector Size 512Bytes, Cluster size 2kb.
It's an awsome program that even defrags and tests the cards for errors.
Never once had an erase problem yet. 8)
MrDollyMaker
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who needs T-mobile WM 2003!, it is unstable and buggy, and almost useless!
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Um... Havent had any problems that were not "oddities". 4.01 rom now. :shock:
After Crossbow was spotted running on an M3100 earlier this month, I fired off an email to T-Mobile asking them whether it would ever be available for the punters... Got a reply today:
The helpful Jann at T-Mobile said:
Good Morning Mr Woods
Thank you for your enquiry regarding handset updates.
So far the new AKU versions have all came out with new devices and the upgrade has never been supported from eg 2003 to 2005. if this will be available for the Crossbow then I don?t know.
From a t-mobile marketing point of view I would say it probably won't be available.
Kind Regards
Jann
T-Mobile
On 13/12/06 00:01, I wrote:
[From .CO.UK]
message:Now that Crossbow has been sighted in the wild on an Orange-branded flavour of the lovely Hermes, does T-Mobile have any kind of an ETA (be that from Microsoft themselves, TM head office or otherwise) for rolling it out to its Vario 2 customers?
I've read that Crossbow most likely won't be AKU3 of WM5, instead being an entirely new update which will be released before Microsoft release their Photon OS, and I've also seen it described as Windows Mobile 6 - but yeah, now that there's shots of an M3100 running it, it can't be that far from retail release, so I was just wondering if you had/have any plans in the works for letting us customers get it for their devices!
Cheers in advance
Christopher
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... Oh well. :/
that sucks :-(
He also is saying that there wont be a AKU3.x at all for the Hermes, and I think that's a load of BS. What he's saying is, if we want the latest AKU's, we have to buy new devices, FU buddy (the t-mobile guy that is)!
I'd say we need to concentrate on getting Buzz to update his stealth rom dumper.
If anyone has their hands on a Crossbow Hermes, get in touch with us. Buzz is temporarily detained, but source code of grabbit is available if required. What's needed?
Use Mamaich's rom dumper, the wiki solution or Pof's solution if you can. If not, contact a mod.
I suggest that it's unlikely an official Crossbow upgrade will come for Hermes. BUT the Samsung CPU has been popular and I imagine HTC will base a number of upcoming devices on the architecture. If so, a possible leaked rom may be hackable.
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I'd say we need to concentrate on getting Buzz to update his stealth rom dumper.
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A dump from WinCE is not as good as a dump from bootloader.
Someone should write a windows tool that communicates to bootloader over USB and does all the 'rbmc' commands needed to dump xbow.
Sleuth255: I see you've developed several apps... are you able to write such a tool if i give you the right bootloader commands? USB is seen as a serial device.
Keeping this thread alive and on top, maybe seen before, lots of Crossbow screenshots on this site:
http://www.pgcw.com.cn/newsdetail.asp?id=1366#here
How can we make it stealthy though? I may get my hands on a CrossBow equipped Hermes during MEDC 2K7 in May, but if I do, it'll most likely be in the exhibit area for only 5-10 minutes. This is why something like buzz's solution is so compelling.
I can certainly work on an app that will pull the ROM image when a device in bootloader mode is connected up to a PC. Having this certainly increases our chances if someone does manage to get one for a few hours.
I'll see what I can code up, but IMO we should also pursue buzz's stealth solution. Go ahead and point me towards the commands pof.. I can start with the instructions you left for tsuishui.
christopherwoods said:
After Crossbow was spotted running on an M3100 earlier this month, I fired off an email to T-Mobile asking them whether it would ever be available for the punters... Got a reply today:
... Oh well. :/
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Reading the message with open mind and not only with the eyes I read:
1) The man answering doesn't even knows the difference between OS and AKU. He speaks about 2003 and 2005 as AKU difference: ISN'T AKU, is a new OS release!
2) The same fellow doesn't even know the NAME of OSes! 2003 was right but we have Windows Mobile 5 an NOT 2005!
3) He is a man from the customer service, or, worst, probabily the answer comes from Tmobile marketing man, with little or no knowledge about the future of windows mobile devices, he knows about the past but seem really short sighted abut the future
4) The answer is the only answer he could give: if he will say "may be.." or "we will see" everyone will start asking WHEN, boring him from is well paid chair, so is better to say "no", beacuse "no" was the answer given since yesterday and worked! They don't sell devices, the sell radio time and traffic
5) In the Operators market strong agreements exists between MS and operators and marketing doesn't drive, they follow!
Overclock the brain reading messages and spokesmen transcripts from companies, not only eyes and be carefull when asking something simple but revolutionary to a large and with good revenues company: 90% of answers will be NO
Has no one realised yet, that we have none of the major xda developers from the other forums?
IMHO, we've got the best device out there, but we are far from having any decent ROMs or specially tweaked home-brewed apps!
Why? Because most of the developers do not have an Athena and are probably happy with their devices.
I think we should start up a little fund/paypal account to be held by xda-developers for whichever developer takes on our plight of either cooking a special ROM just for our Athena's or other tweaked apps, or even better to get the developer an Athena (via our contributions).
It's all talk unless we do something. I've had most of the best PPC/Phone devices from HTC and I have to say this forum (whilst I love the community spirit an all) is the slowest in terms of development i.e. cooking up ROMs and tweaked apps and that's no disrespect intended to the people here who are already employed in the Industry. I'm no guru, but am willing to donate to get things moving. As far as know, ther's no official WM6 ROM for the Universal, yet there are several WM6 ROMs available for it etc...
Does anybody else share my views or am I barking up the wrong tree here?
I'm with you... happy to donate if we can get some movement into this space. I'm especially afraid that HTC will release their WM6 and we won't get any help trying to get it onto the AMEO
We need more support.
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I'm with you... happy to donate if we can get some movement into this space. I'm especially afraid that HTC will release their WM6 and we won't get any help trying to get it onto the AMEO
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Agree with you 100%. If we get enough feedback in this thread, we can put up a request for developers in the news thread and the relevant forums like the Universal & Hermes forums, as between those two devices, they have everything our devices have and the gurus there would know how to overcome the issues we struggle with.
We don't even have a decent dialer cab or WM6 Media player as default. A lot of these apps must be able to be stripped from a WM6 ROM for the VGA Universal, which should work in our devices.
We also need people who are skilled at converting QVGA apps to VGA. I'd do it if I knew how to.
I've got a dumped HTC Touch ROM and a WM6 ROM for both the Hermes and Universal, but I'll be damned if I knew what to do with it other than flashing it to the appropriate device.
See my point....
This explains my thought process a lot better. You know what they say...a picture sometimes tells the story much better:
http://www.4winmobile.com/forums/hermes-black-rom-announcements/9795-black-iv-shadow-released.html
hey i think its a great idea.
so am i eligible for the free ameo/advantage ???
jokes apart, the reason i guess that not many people are jumping on to ameo is that
a)it is percived to be a big device, not suitable for daily use as a phone
b)it is damn expensive
c)with htc royaly dumping people with older devices (Uni,wizard) and the relative ease with which one can cook different roms (including wm6 roms for it)
d)i think that athena has "missed the bus" had it been released a couple of months earlier then probably soneone would have CID unlocked it and you could have beta tested wm6 roms for it.
i remember that for universal the rom scene really heated up when aku 3.5 was released on newer devices but not for Uni.
also i think the reason why a large no of people got the universal was its large vga screen with a usable keybord and the then newly released wm5,
if you really look at ameo there is really nothing it brings to the table.
if you really want to kick-start ameo's rom development...
get someone to leak the wm6 rom....
and beg/steal/kill for a FREE cid unlock
i think most would pay for a guaranteed wm6 update and cid unlocker but if we get no where could be a waste especially if there is an ameo update in a few weeks. and if every ameo / athena owner paid £5.00 that would pay 4 a device i assume thay must be hundreds of people with one its a great device assuming you have a headset and you appreciate not having to squint like with the universal.
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i think most would pay for a guaranteed wm6 update and cid unlocker but if we get no where could be a waste especially if there is an ameo update in a few weeks. and if every ameo / athena owner paid £5.00 that would pay 4 a device i assume thay must be hundreds of people with one its a great device assuming you have a headset and you appreciate not having to squint like with the universal.
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apparently lot of people prefer to squint and infact want to squint more (waiting for Omni with wvga in a similar sized screen)
did you guys try the spb dialer (the black one )...IMHO it is better than the wm6 one...at leat it supports video call
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apparently lot of people prefer to squint and infact want to squint more (waiting for Omni with wvga in a similar sized screen)
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My eyes are getting too old to squint....LOL.
The unit is an excellent unit with much more potential than we are seeing right now! I agree and would also donate to this cause to get someone who owns one, and is capable of helping us solve some issues.
IMHO, I think that maybe people are waiting for the official release of WM6 by HTC and others for this device before really tearing into it.
Just my .04 cents worth........Later
fallenczar said:
did you guys try the spb dialer (the black one )...IMHO it is better than the wm6 one...at leat it supports video call
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Yes, the SPB black dialer is so much better than the f-ugly green one!!! Now if I could only find a black comm manager instead of that same f-ugly green one, I would be a happy boy......
Later............
mackaby007 said:
IMHO, we've got the best device out there, but we are far from having any decent ROMs or specially tweaked home-brewed apps!
Why? Because most of the developers do not have an Athena and are probably happy with their devices.
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I agree that the Athena is absolutely excellent, and that we need developers.
However, I got the same feeling when I got the TyTN. I'm guessing more beginners and advanced users will pick up a Athena, and if the user count is going up, so is the customizing...
I'm more than happy to Paypal money at someone (Can I use Paypal as a verb?), just so I can eventually see a ROM like Black - IV - Shadow running in glorious VGA Landscape on the Athena.
apphoen said:
I'm more than happy to Paypal money at someone (Can I use Paypal as a verb?), just so I can eventually see a ROM like Black - IV - Shadow running in glorious VGA Landscape on the Athena.
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Agree with you on the Black IV Shadow on the Athena. But it's great to see that most of us with an Athena are prepared to do more to get things rolling. Good feedback peeps. Will have to put the word out after the HTC ROM release/update, if it does not prove to be up to scratch, not forsaking CID & Sim unlocking.
I agree with you
I think most of us is willing to chip in some money considering if each of us have to pay GBP20 for cid unlocking (not including of postage!).
We need to have Gurus here or we will be left behind with all kind of development. But who ?..there are quite a number out there
like apphoen..."I'm more than happy to Paypal money at someone "
I'm not sure....
The hackers and crackers do it for fun and because they love their device - NOT because they are being paid for it.
I am quite happy to donate to the forum but can you imagine the pressure that would be put on a developer if we'd paid him? There is no perfect WM6 for the Universal but the guys all work for nothing doing a great job.
If people were paying you would get the inevitable - "this doesn't work, what am I paying for, fix it now!" type comments and who wants prssure like that?
I think we are just going to have to wait until one, or preferably more, clever people get their hands on an Athena and start doing it for fun.
I love my Athena - the screen is gorgeous (I am old and don't like squinting either) I'm disappointed with the keyboard compared to the Universal but other than that I love it - but can't wait for a decent WM6!
Just my 2d's worth
my point is MAYBE this device is quite expensive to some of the developer (no offence), by contributing one or more to our developer hopefully they will bring "live" into our forum..yeah i agree there should be no pressure as they do it for fun..
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Hi,
I will be glad paying some money to improve our machine !!!
Do you think the changes should be done over the actua WM5 version we are actually running ? or this should be done over the coming WM6 version ...... I hope some of the know gaps would be fixed on the new one ....
By the way, I understand what SIM unlock means but .... what do you mean by CID unlock ?
Thanks a lot everybody.
Best regards,
Alberto
For me the first step is to have a tool to unlock a cid but unfortunately i have no idea how to do, imei check have the solution but they provide it online why ?
Because they are afraid from thief but they will more client than by mail.
I love my athena and i want more stuff so please xda guru help us to enjoy our phone
Hi all, I'm new to the Shift scene. After having read the whole 'Shift>Shift' subforum I can see that activity has petered off somewhat since this time last year. One page of threads used to last about half a month, now one page of threads gets us well over a month (I hope you can understand what I' trying to explain there). I plan on bringing together all the ROMs, Radios, Guides, etc into one thread that can hopefully be stickied like in the Xperia X1 forum (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=477801), because at the moment there doesnt seem to be anything like that here.
1)So out of the original members of the Shift project+others (names below):
a) Who still has their shift.
b) Who is still actively looking in to ways to improve it. I.E. at least once a week.
Looking on http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=375898 at post #18, it looks like the core members were:
ltxda
Olipro
Cmonex
PK
And some good contributors:
Thaihugo
Pawel062
Saiweb
2)Who were actually the official members of the Shift project?
3)Who else was involved in the Shift project?
4)What were the original goals and how many of the goals have been 'scored'? See below
5)Whats are the outstanding goals, i.e. full screen and SD Card in WM ?
6)With regards to 'full screen and SD Card in WM' how far did you get, and what ultimately stumped you?
7)How many Shifts did you buy with the donated money and whose got them now?
If there is anybody with a Shift purchased with the donation money who is not using it anymore, perhaps you could donate it too me so I can continue to try and unlock any more secrets this device holds.
I am now going to start reading the whole 'Shift>Shift upgrading etc.' sub forum starting at page 15 and working to today.
If anyone wants to help me correlate all the ROMs, Radios, Guides etc, any links would be helpful.
8)Does anybody know how many different ROMs and radios there are for the Shift?
Like I say im going to read up now but if someone already knows that would be helpful.
Coming back to question 4, I will give what I think were the goals. Please feel free to add or subtract goals :
a) Get SD card working in WM - Not done
b) Get WM fullscreen - Not done (Limit of MSM7200 is VGA)
c) Get the device HardSPL'd - Done
d) Create custom ROMs - Done
d) Get GPS working in WM side - Done
e) Get GPS working in Vista side - Done
f) See if HDD is upgradable - Done (it is)
g) See if RAM is upgradable - Done (it isnt upgradable)
h) Get mic working on WM - Done
i) Get wifi working in WM - not done
j) Get bluetooth working in WM - not done
The 'Shift Project' ground to a halt when newer, shinier toys came along.
I can't wait to see this project being active again. Right, there are hundreds of devices out there but Shift is still the only one which combines
windows (7/vista/xp) + wm + phone.
Honestly, I would try to answer something not too bitter. Let's put it mildly: The shift project is (has?) probably not working (ed?) anymore (way?) for the shift. They sure got the money, but never delivered. On the other side, any legitimate group trying to help was dead on arrival because of this. Every cluster of developer failed because the shift project was magicaly reapiring to promess a new development.
I would consider this "projects" as a request for a hardspl adaptation for a device. Anything else would have need some other efforts. I think we can be happy with the current possibilities, and move along with it.
Ahhh I see, well lets wait to see what Itxda and comnex have to say, maybe we can get this ol' baby fired up again!
It would just be nice to know where they got with thee SD card and fullscreen WM issue.
Dont give up , keep on trying to solve the sd card , bluetooth and the rest that is not done yet . U can do it . Just try n try again , u know u can do it , concentrate ...
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Honestly, I would try to answer something not too bitter. Let's put it mildly: The shift project is (has?) probably not working (ed?) anymore (way?) for the shift. They sure got the money, but never delivered. On the other side, any legitimate group trying to help was dead on arrival because of this. Every cluster of developer failed because the shift project was magicaly reapiring to promess a new development.
I would consider this "projects" as a request for a hardspl adaptation for a device. Anything else would have need some other efforts. I think we can be happy with the current possibilities, and move along with it.
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1. money was spent on getting device, so it's not like we used it for our living or whatever
2. I don't understand some words, maybe typos? "reapiring", "promess"? please can you rephrase? thanks a lot.
2b. as for not delivering, I would disagree. we got a lot done, even if some of it was leaked by certain members before our group's release also, I can't vouch for what others said, but I never promised that BT or wifi even has a good chance for working.
3. anything else than the hardspl/radio/phone stuff is more work for sure. for example the WVGA mode enabling in ARM part works only half so far.
vinokirk said:
1)So out of the original members of the Shift project+others (names below):
a) Who still has their shift.
b) Who is still actively looking in to ways to improve it. I.E. at least once a week.
Looking on http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=375898 at post #18, it looks like the core members were:
ltxda
Olipro
Cmonex
PK
And some good contributors:
Thaihugo
Pawel062
Saiweb
2)Who were actually the official members of the Shift project?
3)Who else was involved in the Shift project?
4)What were the original goals and how many of the goals have been 'scored'? See below
5)Whats are the outstanding goals, i.e. full screen and SD Card in WM ?
6)With regards to 'full screen and SD Card in WM' how far did you get, and what ultimately stumped you?
7)How many Shifts did you buy with the donated money and whose got them now?
If there is anybody with a Shift purchased with the donation money who is not using it anymore, perhaps you could donate it too me so I can continue to try and unlock any more secrets this device holds.
I am now going to start reading the whole 'Shift>Shift upgrading etc.' sub forum starting at page 15 and working to today.
If anyone wants to help me correlate all the ROMs, Radios, Guides etc, any links would be helpful.
8)Does anybody know how many different ROMs and radios there are for the Shift?
Like I say im going to read up now but if someone already knows that would be helpful.
Coming back to question 4, I will give what I think were the goals. Please feel free to add or subtract goals :
a) Get SD card working in WM - Not done
b) Get WM fullscreen - Not done (Limit of MSM7200 is VGA)
c) Get the device HardSPL'd - Done
d) Create custom ROMs - Done
d) Get GPS working in WM side - Done
e) Get GPS working in Vista side - Done
f) See if HDD is upgradable - Done (it is)
g) See if RAM is upgradable - Done (it isnt upgradable)
h) Get mic working on WM - Done
i) Get wifi working in WM - not done
j) Get bluetooth working in WM - not done
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I got your PM so I'm replying here now
1)
a) I have mine. love it! as for the others, see below
b) well, not once a week currently... :S
c) PK is pawel062. but he left windows mobile scene for iphone :cries: (he never got a shift, tho)
2) you got the "official" members right other than that
3) you got that right too
4) see project thread, but a quick sumup, HardSPL, radio unlocking, phone funct. unlocking, GPS, cooked ROMs, and the low level/hw hacks (WVGA, SD... the others only if possible). I guess other than hw hacks that's been done for the most part
5) yes, those two
6) WVGA half works, I can enable it, picture no good yet. I found SD was disabled in the bootloader where I saw evidence for use of it, no further news right now
7) Shifts: I have one from the project, Olipro too, ltxda got one, which he wanted to send to PK to cook for it but he left the project. I do not know what happened to that shift, as ltxda got distracted by the death of a family member. I'll ask him what's up with that. there is no other money left in the Shift account.
7b) as for sending it to you (ltxda's device), I'd like to know what sort of experience you got, what sort of goals you'd like to try and achieve
by experience I mean: coding experience (and what languages), low level driver experience, reverse engineering experience, etc... but then, I'd like to first know what goals you have in mind as well
8) I have a few radios, ROMs, if you mean stock ones, then not terribly many.
cmonex said:
I got your PM so I'm replying here now
6) WVGA half works, I can enable it, picture no good yet. I found SD was disabled in the bootloader where I saw evidence for use of it, no further news right now
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cmonex
what about BT and WiFi? I was able to check the virtual COM ports for them and tried to enable them and noticed something was blocking it. Were they too disabled at the bootloader?
Thanks
--Ram--
Vinokirk sweet thnx for stirring up this part of the community.
Our Shift is a 1 off. Keep it, caress it, nurish it.
After the Chinese debacle (Someone having a too large ego and hoaxing about SD) nothing much happened above the surface.
My idea would be that everyone start sharing his findings for making SD , headset mike, and BT work (in respective order)
Like CMonex staed that the WM bootloader disables SD it seems. This seems new info and might spur others to action.
Shift project has delivered beyond expectation in the early days.
cmonex said:
I got your PM so I'm replying here now
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cmonex! Many many thanks for your reply; your information is very valuable to me!
Yes I was devastated reading about Itxdas story, it was truly a tragedy and my heart goes out to him.
Personally my goals (in order) are:
1) SD card
2)'Personal calling' over BT or wired headset.
3) WVGA screen in WinMo
4) Cooking everything into a ROM
But I am very much a community person. If anyone has an idea they would like to see developed, I would try my darndest to make their wish come true!
I have some basic grounding in C++, Pascal (he he he), and Java. I have a friend and brother-in-law who are AMAZING programmers in many languages, so they will be my 'goto guys'.
I have in the past re-written a couple of drivers in windows, but that was a while ago and they weren't low level drivers.
I haven't officially reverse engineered something before, but I have taken loads of things apart to fix, so in a way I have been taking say a phone apart to find out what the problem is.
I have A-levels in Maths and Electronics (they are the UKs 16-18 yr old exams), but nothing at degree level.
I do however have experience with cooking. I have made a couple of my own ROMs for my Xperia X1.
But the main thing is, I have a passion for things like this, as you can see im asking a lot of questions, and posting in a few threads!! So with your guidance I'm sure I could deliver at least something! This would be a great first step into your world and I am really looking forward to getting the opportunity to do so
cmonex said:
2b. as for not delivering, I would disagree. we got a lot done, even if some of it was leaked by certain members before our group's release
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As far as I know, olipro and you weren't part of the shift project first, and they called you to the rescue. So again, I thing the shift project AFAIK, never released a think. They "rebranded" you as shift project because they didn't have a think to provide.
Also, I don't see the leaks you're talking about. Was the group about to release something? Do you mean your radio? Has it anything modified from a 1.27 radio? because otherwse, I think we are all doing the same job here, taking existing roms, modifyng files and releasing them. The trick is to find the right files, and I don't see where any work here is stealing or below somebody elses work. I don't think anybody took a rom from the shift project, modified it and claimed it as it's own.
lucid said:
Vinokirk sweet thnx for stirring up this part of the community.
Our Shift is a 1 off. Keep it, caress it, nurish it.
After the Chinese debacle (Someone having a too large ego and hoaxing about SD) nothing much happened above the surface.
My idea would be that everyone start sharing his findings for making SD , headset mike, and BT work (in respective order)
Like CMonex staed that the WM bootloader disables SD it seems. This seems new info and might spur others to action.
Shift project has delivered beyond expectation in the early days.
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1) uh yeah I'm afraid it is going to be a one-off from HTC :'( and where is Thoth?? (Athena2) gee HTC really needs to get back on track for making the best usable devices
2) wish those chinese guys had shown more. this way it does seem a hoax.
vinokirk said:
cmonex! Many many thanks for your reply; your information is very valuable to me!
Yes I was devastated reading about Itxdas story, it was truly a tragedy and my heart goes out to him.
Personally my goals (in order) are:
1) SD card
2)'Personal calling' over BT or wired headset.
3) WVGA screen in WinMo
4) Cooking everything into a ROM
But I am very much a community person. If anyone has an idea they would like to see developed, I would try my darndest to make their wish come true!
I have some basic grounding in C++, Pascal (he he he), and Java. I have a friend and brother-in-law who are AMAZING programmers in many languages, so they will be my 'goto guys'.
I have in the past re-written a couple of drivers in windows, but that was a while ago and they weren't low level drivers.
I haven't officially reverse engineered something before, but I have taken loads of things apart to fix, so in a way I have been taking say a phone apart to find out what the problem is.
I have A-levels in Maths and Electronics (they are the UKs 16-18 yr old exams), but nothing at degree level.
I do however have experience with cooking. I have made a couple of my own ROMs for my Xperia X1.
But the main thing is, I have a passion for things like this, as you can see im asking a lot of questions, and posting in a few threads!! So with your guidance I'm sure I could deliver at least something! This would be a great first step into your world and I am really looking forward to getting the opportunity to do so
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I replied to your PM again the public part of that is, I've talked to ltxda about sending the Shift to you. he'll get back to me on that soon.
saiweb said:
cmonex
what about BT and WiFi? I was able to check the virtual COM ports for them and tried to enable them and noticed something was blocking it. Were they too disabled at the bootloader?
Thanks
--Ram--
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it needs more than virtual COM ports.
thaihugo said:
As far as I know, olipro and you weren't part of the shift project first, and they called you to the rescue. So again, I thing the shift project AFAIK, never released a think. They "rebranded" you as shift project because they didn't have a think to provide.
Also, I don't see the leaks you're talking about. Was the group about to release something? Do you mean your radio? Has it anything modified from a 1.27 radio? because otherwse, I think we are all doing the same job here, taking existing roms, modifyng files and releasing them. The trick is to find the right files, and I don't see where any work here is stealing or below somebody elses work. I don't think anybody took a rom from the shift project, modified it and claimed it as it's own.
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nono, of course I didn't mean anything like claiming a rom
Any progress / news ?
Not yet, I'm waiting to hear from ltxda. As soon as I get his Shift project Shift ill be able to start cooking a new ROM. And with the hep of cmonex and others, hopefully crack someof the other issues.
vinokirk said:
Not yet, I'm waiting to hear from ltxda. As soon as I get his Shift project Shift ill be able to start cooking a new ROM. And with the hep of cmonex and others, hopefully crack someof the other issues.
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cant wait
some news???