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Confirmed from HTC Europe: they are far from new ROM

Called HTC customer care: they said they are still far away from new ROM release, the end of month release date has been missed , they said now two months or more!

Oh damn.. HTC is slow !!
I recon we will have custom ROMs before this official from HTC !!!

HTC is very low serious !!!
We must find a solution to resolve stack bluetooth and all the other problems for TyTn etc.
Regards

Shamanix said:
Oh damn.. HTC is slow !!
I recon we will have custom ROMs before this official from HTC !!!
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Custom ROMs, next device more like.
What puzzles me is I have seen the leaps and bounds the fine developers here have made with no salary and lacking hardware documentation. Why does it take HTC so long with all the resources at their disposal?

good question.

Ooooohhhhh... what a big suprise :S ..... NOT!

daedalia said:
What puzzles me is I have seen the leaps and bounds the fine developers here have made with no salary and lacking hardware documentation. Why does it take HTC so long with all the resources at their disposal?
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I suspect the answer may lie in the prioritising of work - HTC may pay their engineers / software development people, but I doubt they pay them simply to create up-to-date ROMs for existing or old devices (as much as we'd like them too!).
My guess is that these staff are tasked with testing / dev work for upcoming / future devices, and as such can only devote (comparitively) small amounts of time / effort to developing new ROMs for existing devices.

DrLaban said:
Ooooohhhhh... what a big suprise :S ..... NOT!
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They are all much furious for this delay but because is not found one solution without to wait for htc?

i guess we either wait for HTC or we all pitch in to cook an AKU3.X or crossbow rom (and hopefully gps enbled)

unbelievable this device has really lost me a lot of confidence in HTC as it is so buggy! The wizard was very stable after a rom upgrade but this device is so unstable hence why all the bad press about it!

oh....but it is better than other country (taiwan) <<<< no other informations about release new rom....too bad about x01ht\cht9000 user

I believe HTC does their VAR work first then works on their own devices. Since direct branding is new to them, this may well be presenting difficulties from a prioritization standpoint.
What this means is that we'll see the slew of operator branded AKU3.x ROMs released before the TyTN in much the same way as we did for AKU2.x ROMs. Remember, the TyTN AKU 2.x rom (South African) pretty much was one of the last of the batch for AKU2.x.

I too am very disappointed with HTC and my Hermes in general. I'll be looking elsewhere next upgrade.
K :-(

How long for wm6?

hi, does anyone think the official wm6 will come out on this month or until another time? Theres been the windows mobile device 6 for vista and this http://www.modaco.com/index.php?showtopic=251651
What do you think about this? will we be using an official wm6 by the end of this month or will know the official date of realese?

ultraprimeomega said:
hi, does anyone think the official wm6 will come out on this month or until another time? Theres been the windows mobile device 6 for vista and this http://www.modaco.com/index.php?showtopic=251651
What do you think about this? will we be using an official wm6 by the end of this month or will know the official date of realese?
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I personally don't think there will be any official WM6.0 ROM updates for the Wizard. They just want you to buy a new device

mccune said:
I personally don't think there will be any official WM6.0 ROM updates for the Wizard. They just want you to buy a new device
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correct my friend,,,no official releases.

i know that we wont get an update but still we will find some way to use the roms from new devices but the question is when will these devices come out

ultraprimeomega said:
i know that we wont get an update but still we will find some way to use the roms from new devices but the question is when will these devices come out
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ther are fully working cossbow roms made up allredy...but they cannot be posted in this site for the moment.

faria said:
ther are fully working cossbow roms made up allredy...but they cannot be posted in this site for the moment.
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Thats another question that i have; Wont they let us post them when the devices are avalible to the public?

Eh? WM6 is an official release, just not for our devices. It's not like it's top secret or anything.
True Windows CE 6, Photon, is a very different thing to Crossbow. I know various authors who are writing books on that release. But an official release of either rom is unlikely on existing devices. I don't recall HTC ever releasing an OS upgrade (ie from WM2003 to WM5) offically.
Anyone recall anything like that?
V

So what we already have is or may be the os that microsoft has release to htc or other companies for adding their own programs and flash to devices or to the service providers and then to the devices

hp did wm2003 to wm5 for 1 device

jacob-mda said:
hp did wm2003 to wm5 for 1 device
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Wasn't that a non phone-edition device?
There's no way the telco's would ever officially release a rom that updates to the next operating system. Their business plans work on you buying a new device every 12 months, so giving you a rom that means you don't have to do that would be seen as commercial suicide. Fact of life in these phone-edition telco dominated days my friend.

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Wasn't that a non phone-edition device?
There's no way the telco's would ever officially release a rom that updates to the next operating system. Their business plans work on you buying a new device every 12 months, so giving you a rom that means you don't have to do that would be seen as commercial suicide. Fact of life in these phone-edition telco dominated days my friend.
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Eten did. Eten M500. WM3 -> WM5

Countable Instances.

Could they give us a wm5 SE update and realese a different wm6 for new devices? but i now they could anything

T-mobile Upgrading to WM6????

Check this out...
http://www.infoworld.com/article/07...om/article/07/02/13/HNtmobilepushemail_1.html
"The company is looking at the new Windows Mobile 6.0. "I don't know yet if our Windows Mobile 5.0 handsets can support 6.0," he said. "If so and if we can use our Web site to allow customers to download the new operating system, then maybe this will be a possibility. I guess the answer is if we can upgrade easily, then yes."
So T-mobile might upgrade the Wizard to WM6...am I reading that right?

wm1 said:
Check this out...
http://www.infoworld.com/article/07...om/article/07/02/13/HNtmobilepushemail_1.html
"The company is looking at the new Windows Mobile 6.0. "I don't know yet if our Windows Mobile 5.0 handsets can support 6.0," he said. "If so and if we can use our Web site to allow customers to download the new operating system, then maybe this will be a possibility. I guess the answer is if we can upgrade easily, then yes."
So T-mobile might upgrade the Wizard to WM6...am I reading that right?
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Seems like they are thinking about it...good find.
--M

I'll bet money on this not happening (officially.....)
Since WM2003 & all the WM2003SE fiasco with the lack of updates for devices that would be easily compatible you have to understand the market; WM6 and the cost of a new device as opposed to WM6 software development on a legacy (slow & poor camera resolution) device?
Believe me it won't happen - I have a nice stetson here waiting to be eaten.......
Andy

But there has never before been an update this close to the version before with the exception of WM2003SE (which was very hardware orientated and thus made upgrading either not worth it due to lack of features or impossible) but with WM6 it is very compatible with WM5 as it is still a 5.x.x build version making the new features worthwhile without really requiring any new hardware. I would say chances are increased with this as not really any new driver development is necessary nor do T-mobile have to alter their applications to work with WM6.

Not happening
My brother is in IT for T-Mobile and he informed me that they will not be upgrading the MDA.

randomn0ise said:
My brother is in IT for T-Mobile and he informed me that they will not be upgrading the MDA.
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Ask him if they are going to get a faster version of the MDA (like the Hermes/8525/etc).
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randomn0ise said:
My brother is in IT for T-Mobile and he informed me that they will not be upgrading the MDA.
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I didn't think they would. It would have been nice; then we could have had some really good cooked roms from it.

randomn0ise said:
My brother is in IT for T-Mobile and he informed me that they will not be upgrading the MDA.
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Sorry not putting you down, but just cus one person has been told that it is not going to happen does not mean that t-mobile will do a U turn!!! It would cost them more money not to as we will still play with WM6 and it would be cheaper to give out a base. Cus dumb people will flash the phone and mess it up and t-mobile will have to replace them!! Cus if i mess up my phone i will just claim a new one, and they have to give me a new one!! Cus all you have to do is damage the phone so they replace that way.

I have received somewhat reliable news that T-Mobile US WILL support an upgrade to WM6 for the Dash.
Again, this is somewhat reliable, not 100% so don't hold your breath (not that you would seeing that it's for the Dash and NOT the MDA).

well what i dont get is, that the news item says about if it would work with the PPC, the t-mobile people should come on here and see that it does work, and they would not need to do any work on it! Just putout a bare bones WM6 rom and the people here would do the work to make it better! (I am sure that MS would be happy if the operaters are)

What HTC says about new official WM6.5.3 ROM

Hello!
I send to HTC a mail with a question will and when will be a new ROM upgrade to a new WM6.5.3. for HD2.
Here is HTC answer:
"Dear QQQ,
Thank you for contacting us,
Kindly note that your device was manufactured for the Czech Republic. So regarding any updates or hotfixes for your phone it’ll be through the Czech Republic page. However, the compatible Rom Upgrade for your phone is not yet released on that page. But it should be released soon. Kindly check on our website from time to time regarding new releases for new softwares."
So does it mean it will be or it will be only a new ROM with "old" WM6.5?
What do you think?

The answer is not really and the guy from HTC who answered doesn't seem to know what you were talking about when you mentionned WM6.5.3...
I don't think we should wait for a 6.5.3 upgrade, 'cause even if it's a minor upgrade, it's the same situation than for the HD which was released with WM6.1 and never upgraded officially with WM6.5 :/

Roupette said:
it's the same situation than for the HD which was released with WM6.1 and never upgraded officially with WM6.5 :/
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Which is why I cant wait for WP7S at least then we'll get OTA updates straight away instead of having to wait for htc or phone operators to offer up a updated ROM

It would be very sad if they dont make compatabile 6.5.3 ROM for HD2. It's silly if they just stop in inventing in HD2

Smartmob said:
It's silly if they just stop in inventing in HD2
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Well lucky for us, we have XDA.

wow he was really talking out his a$$ it would of been announce one way or another through some blog. now and days its hard for some one to keep things in the low especially HTC now that their getting to be bigger and bigger by the minute. i would see that coming from palm or danger (sidekick) nobody even cares about them any more so if they release some update nobody would really care other than device owners. sorry for getting out of the topic a bit but 6.5.3 would see the light by the end of the end of year microsoft putting all their brains on windows 7. hd2 for t-mobile might be the last windows 6.5 of the year in a american carrier

I ask this question to HTC: "Is the HTC HD2 going to get a windows mobile 6.5.3 ROM upgrade?"
And this is their answer: "Dear Eric Lui, Thank you for choosing HTC! Regarding to ROM update issue, we are sorry to inform you that currently we do not have the information of the WM6.5.3 ROM upgrade for HTC HD2. If any update in future, HTC will release the news on the website once any update, Please pay attention to our Official website for the update. In addition, we had recorded your information, and we will inform you in advance once any update related with HTC HD2. Thanks a lot for your understanding and cooperation."
Hope this can help.

HTC releases too many devices and they actually don't care of upgrades for current devices. Even if it's hi-end device like HD2. They will rather release HD3 than make official WM6.5.3 ROM for HD2. You have to pay for anything
I'm using Samsung Omnia II. I like this phone and i like Samsung attitude to their products. It came originally with WM6.1. Then it got upgrade to WM6.5. Now it get another upgrade to WM6.5.3. Same phone - 2 major upgrades.
Yes, it's possible to make your own WM6.5.3 ROM, but alas you can not tweak all OEM applications to be compatible with 6.5.3. That's why official upgrade is the key point.
Without official upgrade to 6.5.3 from HTC, user won't get normal HTC dialer/callerID. They will stick either to 235xx builds or add workaround to fix incompatibility. I even don't mention about minor graphics issues after migrating from 6.5 to 6.5.3.

Official HTC update to WM 6.5.3?

Hey guys, just wondering if anyone knows if HTC will be releasing the 6.5.3 builds of WM on the HD2? I prefer this build as it is more finger friendly and looks cleaner. Also is the any Clean 6.5.3 roms out for the HD2?
Thanks in advance.

I don't think we gonna get any updates for HD2 for WM 6.5.xxx..!!!

heartsurfer008 said:
I don't think we gonna get any updates for HD2 for WM 6.5.xxx..!!!
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May I aks you why are you so sure? Does this apply to all versions, including T-Mobile US one?

vponomarev said:
May I aks you why are you so sure?
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because MS want everyone to buy shiny new wp7 phones.
Does this apply to all versions, including T-Mobile US one?
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If T Mo US want to fork out a fat fist full of cash to MS, they might, but i'd give REALLY big odds that they wont. Why would they? they have sold out in the first week, thats their investment back, now all they have to do is sit back, wait for wp7 and start the whole circus again.
No one is going to offer upgrades, I suspect. The only way forward as i see it for 6.5.x is as a side line to the wp7. Maybe the 'business' range, alongside wp7 as the consumer range.

jagger2k said:
Hey guys, just wondering if anyone knows if HTC will be releasing the 6.5.3 builds of WM on the HD2? I prefer this build as it is more finger friendly and looks cleaner. Also is the any Clean 6.5.3 roms out for the HD2?
Thanks in advance.
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I asked HTC, and they said that there are no plans on 6.5.3 release in near future.

Oh that sucks, ah well, that what you brilliant people are here for lol

EgoMaximus said:
I asked HTC, and they said that there are no plans on 6.5.3 release in near future.
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That does it for me, now i'm realy going to flash my device!
I have waited for a new HTC ROM update and wanted at least 6.5.3 on my device or even better 6.5.5... SO!
AND flashing gives me a faster better device, so! Thanks! And THANKS HTC!

I sent message to HTC. I asked when we get a new WM 6.5.3 on our HTC HD 2. They wrote me that they nothing know about new ROM updates for HD2.... So we must waiting, but if we don't get new WM from HTC in near future I flash my HD2

What is the point of these builds then? the only phone i know which will have it is that nasty sony ericsson trying to be a blackberry.

Great! WP7S is out of the question, and now 6.5.3/5 is out as well...
I really expected to a more finger friendly OS on the HD2...
HTC and MS are really working hard to make their customer go and buy an iPhone...

liamR said:
Great! WP7S is out of the question, and now 6.5.3/5 is out as well...
I really expected to a more finger friendly OS on the HD2...
HTC and MS are really working hard to make their customer go and buy an iPhone...
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I think they are aming for us to buy the new WinMo 7 phones...

I'll be surprised if there isn't another ROM release. The stock carrier ROMs are quite a way behind those on unlocked phones for a start and I imagine there's a risk of losing customers to the competition if support isn't seen to be provided. My guess is that the various 'flavours'' of HD2 will be updated so that they have the same OS and applications.
Windows Phone 7 doesn't look appealing to me and if I want a locked down phone, I'll get an iPhone.

What does the updates do?

what are you complaing about from what i see wp7 is not very good. it looks ugly i heard it doesnt have file copy/paste etc. why would you want a phone that you cant move your files around. this is the perfect phone because it has all the power of the new wp7 series phones and theres a need to develop new software/roms etc. i think this phone is sick mate. im sure pretty soon they will get android up and running. forget wp7 i looking forward to dual booting android which whichever rom i take the liking too. my point is stop complaining and enjoy the phone.

faser2033 said:
what are you complaing about from what i see wp7 is not very good. it looks ugly i heard it doesnt have file copy/paste etc. why would you want a phone that you cant move your files around. this is the perfect phone because it has all the power of the new wp7 series phones and theres a need to develop new software/roms etc. i think this phone is sick mate. im sure pretty soon they will get android up and running. forget wp7 i looking forward to dual booting android which whichever rom i take the liking too. my point is stop complaining and enjoy the phone.
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This topic has nothing to do with WM7, This is about 6.5.3 which is an updated version of 6.5. Let not turn this into a 7.0 discussion.

Any news? How could be possible that we won't receive any new upgrade? Many manufacturers are upgrading their phones. Samsung Omnia II got WM 6.5.3, Toshiba TG01 will get Windows Mobile 6.5.5
Why HTC is so disrespectful of its customers?

mjordan79 said:
Any news? How could be possible that we won't receive any new upgrade? Many manufacturers are upgrading their phones. Samsung Omnia II got WM 6.5.3, Toshiba TG01 will get Windows Mobile 6.5.5
Why HTC is so disrespectful of its customers?
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They are, aren't they.
I enjoy hacking my phone but if the last update really is the last, I'll look elsewhere for my next phone. Mine still has bugs out of the box and I'd expect these to be addressed on a £500 device at the very least.
Leaving the HD2 in it's current state, with the underlying OS being touch unfriendly, is an odd decision. I wonder how long Windows Phone 7 will be supported. I fear another Vista. Will we be discussing Windows Phone 8 in a year's tIme?

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They are, aren't they.
I enjoy hacking my phone but if the last update really is the last, I'll look elsewhere for my next phone. Mine still has bugs out of the box and I'd expect these to be addressed on a £500 device at the very least.
Leaving the HD2 in it's current state, with the underlying OS being touch unfriendly, is an odd decision. I wonder how long Windows Phone 7 will be supported. I fear another Vista. Will we be discussing Windows Phone 8 in a year's tIme?
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Isn't that the point... WP7 will eventually lead to WP8, it's a moving target. If you want 6.5.3 or 6.5.5 you can install a cooked ROM that has it. The great thing is that... MS is continuing to develop the 6.5.X series and... the cooks are getting it to us.

My point isn't the inevitability of Windows Phone8, it's a question of how long 7 will be supported. Manufacturers seem to have forgotten that users have contracts with their phones and will need to keep them for 2 years or more before upgrading. The HD2 had very little support, leaving owners of this flagship device with an out-of-date machine after a few months. Other phone suppliers continue to provide upgrades to their ranges. I won't forget this when I need a new phone, especially since my phone still has bugs. HTC will lose customers. Whether they care about this or not is another matter but I'd aim to keep my customers in the current climate, even if I only sell each of them one phone every 2 years.
I'm waiting for a reply to my bug report.

We should all make some pressure on HTC.Send them e-mails, post on blogs, contact newspapers, etc etc...
HTC should change this their bad support. We buy a 600$ device and get a 6 month support, no upgrades (only bugfixes, and not for all bugs).
This is not what people expect from a company such as HTC.