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Don't hold out for Crossbow on the Hermes (on the Vario 2, at least)

After Crossbow was spotted running on an M3100 earlier this month, I fired off an email to T-Mobile asking them whether it would ever be available for the punters... Got a reply today:
The helpful Jann at T-Mobile said:
Good Morning Mr Woods
Thank you for your enquiry regarding handset updates.
So far the new AKU versions have all came out with new devices and the upgrade has never been supported from eg 2003 to 2005. if this will be available for the Crossbow then I don?t know.
From a t-mobile marketing point of view I would say it probably won't be available.
Kind Regards
Jann
T-Mobile
On 13/12/06 00:01, I wrote:
[From .CO.UK]
message:Now that Crossbow has been sighted in the wild on an Orange-branded flavour of the lovely Hermes, does T-Mobile have any kind of an ETA (be that from Microsoft themselves, TM head office or otherwise) for rolling it out to its Vario 2 customers?
I've read that Crossbow most likely won't be AKU3 of WM5, instead being an entirely new update which will be released before Microsoft release their Photon OS, and I've also seen it described as Windows Mobile 6 - but yeah, now that there's shots of an M3100 running it, it can't be that far from retail release, so I was just wondering if you had/have any plans in the works for letting us customers get it for their devices!
Cheers in advance
Christopher
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... Oh well. :/

that sucks :-(

He also is saying that there wont be a AKU3.x at all for the Hermes, and I think that's a load of BS. What he's saying is, if we want the latest AKU's, we have to buy new devices, FU buddy (the t-mobile guy that is)!

I'd say we need to concentrate on getting Buzz to update his stealth rom dumper.

If anyone has their hands on a Crossbow Hermes, get in touch with us. Buzz is temporarily detained, but source code of grabbit is available if required. What's needed?
Use Mamaich's rom dumper, the wiki solution or Pof's solution if you can. If not, contact a mod.
I suggest that it's unlikely an official Crossbow upgrade will come for Hermes. BUT the Samsung CPU has been popular and I imagine HTC will base a number of upcoming devices on the architecture. If so, a possible leaked rom may be hackable.
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Sleuth255 said:
I'd say we need to concentrate on getting Buzz to update his stealth rom dumper.
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A dump from WinCE is not as good as a dump from bootloader.
Someone should write a windows tool that communicates to bootloader over USB and does all the 'rbmc' commands needed to dump xbow.
Sleuth255: I see you've developed several apps... are you able to write such a tool if i give you the right bootloader commands? USB is seen as a serial device.

Keeping this thread alive and on top, maybe seen before, lots of Crossbow screenshots on this site:
http://www.pgcw.com.cn/newsdetail.asp?id=1366#here

How can we make it stealthy though? I may get my hands on a CrossBow equipped Hermes during MEDC 2K7 in May, but if I do, it'll most likely be in the exhibit area for only 5-10 minutes. This is why something like buzz's solution is so compelling.
I can certainly work on an app that will pull the ROM image when a device in bootloader mode is connected up to a PC. Having this certainly increases our chances if someone does manage to get one for a few hours.
I'll see what I can code up, but IMO we should also pursue buzz's stealth solution. Go ahead and point me towards the commands pof.. I can start with the instructions you left for tsuishui.

christopherwoods said:
After Crossbow was spotted running on an M3100 earlier this month, I fired off an email to T-Mobile asking them whether it would ever be available for the punters... Got a reply today:
... Oh well. :/
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Reading the message with open mind and not only with the eyes I read:
1) The man answering doesn't even knows the difference between OS and AKU. He speaks about 2003 and 2005 as AKU difference: ISN'T AKU, is a new OS release!
2) The same fellow doesn't even know the NAME of OSes! 2003 was right but we have Windows Mobile 5 an NOT 2005!
3) He is a man from the customer service, or, worst, probabily the answer comes from Tmobile marketing man, with little or no knowledge about the future of windows mobile devices, he knows about the past but seem really short sighted abut the future
4) The answer is the only answer he could give: if he will say "may be.." or "we will see" everyone will start asking WHEN, boring him from is well paid chair, so is better to say "no", beacuse "no" was the answer given since yesterday and worked! They don't sell devices, the sell radio time and traffic
5) In the Operators market strong agreements exists between MS and operators and marketing doesn't drive, they follow!
Overclock the brain reading messages and spokesmen transcripts from companies, not only eyes and be carefull when asking something simple but revolutionary to a large and with good revenues company: 90% of answers will be NO

Crossbow will become available?

...the topic says it all. (talking for trinity of course)
MS announced it officially.
Anybody heard anything?

That is a question for some old HTC/QTEK users, if they managed to install newer OS on some older devices than maybe there is a hope for Trinity also in future.

banesi said:
That is a question for some old HTC/QTEK users, if they managed to install newer OS on some older devices than maybe there is a hope for Trinity also in future.
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Best thing that could happen to a Trinity user: HTC releasing ROM to include WM6, GPS Functionality, FM Radio Enabled (if the H/W exists) all before the end of the month.
After moving from XP to Vista, using WM5 just doesn't feel right anymore.

I would be very surprised if HTC would give away a brand new OS for free. Expect to pay for it, if it is released at all.

Loboman said:
I would be very surprised if HTC would give away a brand new OS for free. Expect to pay for it, if it is released at all.
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I am taking bets on HTC not releasing any Crossbow ROMs for the current line of products.

anonimo said:
I am taking bets on HTC not releasing any Crossbow ROMs for the current line of products.
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I'm probably going to wander off to the Eten corner if HTC do this to us.

Someone have actually mailed to Dopod(owned by HTC) and they replied that they will not offer WM6 upgrade to any of the existing WM5 models. They only said that new WM6 model will be out soon. So...

T-mobile Upgrading to WM6????

Check this out...
http://www.infoworld.com/article/07...om/article/07/02/13/HNtmobilepushemail_1.html
"The company is looking at the new Windows Mobile 6.0. "I don't know yet if our Windows Mobile 5.0 handsets can support 6.0," he said. "If so and if we can use our Web site to allow customers to download the new operating system, then maybe this will be a possibility. I guess the answer is if we can upgrade easily, then yes."
So T-mobile might upgrade the Wizard to WM6...am I reading that right?

wm1 said:
Check this out...
http://www.infoworld.com/article/07...om/article/07/02/13/HNtmobilepushemail_1.html
"The company is looking at the new Windows Mobile 6.0. "I don't know yet if our Windows Mobile 5.0 handsets can support 6.0," he said. "If so and if we can use our Web site to allow customers to download the new operating system, then maybe this will be a possibility. I guess the answer is if we can upgrade easily, then yes."
So T-mobile might upgrade the Wizard to WM6...am I reading that right?
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Seems like they are thinking about it...good find.
--M

I'll bet money on this not happening (officially.....)
Since WM2003 & all the WM2003SE fiasco with the lack of updates for devices that would be easily compatible you have to understand the market; WM6 and the cost of a new device as opposed to WM6 software development on a legacy (slow & poor camera resolution) device?
Believe me it won't happen - I have a nice stetson here waiting to be eaten.......
Andy

But there has never before been an update this close to the version before with the exception of WM2003SE (which was very hardware orientated and thus made upgrading either not worth it due to lack of features or impossible) but with WM6 it is very compatible with WM5 as it is still a 5.x.x build version making the new features worthwhile without really requiring any new hardware. I would say chances are increased with this as not really any new driver development is necessary nor do T-mobile have to alter their applications to work with WM6.

Not happening
My brother is in IT for T-Mobile and he informed me that they will not be upgrading the MDA.

randomn0ise said:
My brother is in IT for T-Mobile and he informed me that they will not be upgrading the MDA.
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Ask him if they are going to get a faster version of the MDA (like the Hermes/8525/etc).
--M

randomn0ise said:
My brother is in IT for T-Mobile and he informed me that they will not be upgrading the MDA.
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I didn't think they would. It would have been nice; then we could have had some really good cooked roms from it.

randomn0ise said:
My brother is in IT for T-Mobile and he informed me that they will not be upgrading the MDA.
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Sorry not putting you down, but just cus one person has been told that it is not going to happen does not mean that t-mobile will do a U turn!!! It would cost them more money not to as we will still play with WM6 and it would be cheaper to give out a base. Cus dumb people will flash the phone and mess it up and t-mobile will have to replace them!! Cus if i mess up my phone i will just claim a new one, and they have to give me a new one!! Cus all you have to do is damage the phone so they replace that way.

I have received somewhat reliable news that T-Mobile US WILL support an upgrade to WM6 for the Dash.
Again, this is somewhat reliable, not 100% so don't hold your breath (not that you would seeing that it's for the Dash and NOT the MDA).

well what i dont get is, that the news item says about if it would work with the PPC, the t-mobile people should come on here and see that it does work, and they would not need to do any work on it! Just putout a bare bones WM6 rom and the people here would do the work to make it better! (I am sure that MS would be happy if the operaters are)

Official WM 6.1 upgrade for Touch ?

http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/01/microsoft-announces-windows-mobile-6-1-device-upgrades/

Yes.
Just follow the link:
http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2008/apr08/04-01WM61PR.mspx

From the article:
Industry Embraces Windows Mobile 6.1
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• HTC: A new Touch Dual for the U.S. and updates for the AT&T Tilt, Touch by HTC, Mogul by HTC from Sprint, TyTN II
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Touch by HTC, so yes

Update
How and when can i update my device???

How: Via USB ... Ok ok, I think it will be same way we do now with the ROM upgrade utility, but probably packaged in some installer like most of the official upgrades.
When: 6.1 just got announced, its up to HTC and the mobile operators to decide when they release an upgrade.

Biffert said:
How: Via USB ... Ok ok, I think it will be same way we do now with the ROM upgrade utility, but probably packaged in some installer like most of the official upgrades.
When: 6.1 just got announced, its up to HTC and the mobile operators to decide when they release an upgrade.
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Ok, but is the releasing date soon or ...???

I think OR. I don't think that HTC can release official update for all devices in one week. Month. I think

N_urk said:
I think OR. I don't think that HTC can release official update for all devices in one week. Month. I think
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Ok, but is it going to be soon(for ELF)???

N_urk said:
Month. I think
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Nobody is really sure, read the post of N_urk, maybe read it twice. There is some info in there.

At Least I'm Running Custom Rom with WM 6.1 Pro already =D

custom cooked roms
Hi all,
I just bought a touch 1 gen ... i heard from a friend that it'll take awhile because HTC has a tendency to release it after they have marketed all their new 6.1 loaded devices ... i guess its their marketing strategy
meanwhile, can anyone tell me any interesting 6.1 Roms i can look at ... thanks.
lud

Wait wait wait......so we who own HTC Touch (GSM) have to wait for HTC to ship out the update? We just can't.....update?
Paul

wm 6.1 update
wow .. so basically the update wont be coming for a while ... does anybody know if the 6.1 roms are even worth putting on the device??

Doesn't seem like there's much in the 6.1 upgrade for WM-Pro users though, most changes are in the smartphone version.

I have it too
I use the customer WM6.1 Pro for HTC Touch, and I like it.. there ar a lot of flavors: lite and full, with more (or less) free ram for othr apps, etc.
http://www.comunidadwindowsmobile.es/index.php?action=forum

Whats the difference(s) between WM6 Pro and WM 6.1 anyway? I've done some reading on it but no where does it really say whats so different. I've even gone and looked at videos of it on youtube. Other then what looks like a new skin theme doesnt look like anything else really and I am sure theres more to it. Do you have finger gestures now built right into HTC home? Like swiping left to get to your schedual and what not? What about the HTC home... is that any different?
Here's what I've gotten so far:
Threaded SMS messages
New Internet Explorer
Runs a little smoother
But... whats the big WOW with the upgrade?
Thanks!

ok wm6.1 was in beta for awhile i think it still is but it has since been perfected and is released... but the only way to get it right now is using the customn roms which is way better then using any other rom found any where else trust me ive tried them all and cutoms the way to go!!
and the big wow is the fixed all the bugs in it the stopped the memory leak increased speed. made tit very stable, reduced the size of the os system it self also the did many different registery hacks and edits to make it much better, they added a prgram that is called getting started which helps with alot of stuf and it isnt just a step by step its a good program,
theres no new gestures like that but theres many programs that do that that can be added on such as spb shell 2.0 umm pointui and ultimate lauinch.... trust me its worth upgrading and ive had every system out there wm5.0 symbian wm6.0 and now 6.1 and now im working on making a wm7 like program but using 6.1 as a base

HTC WM 6.1
I have contacted hTC, the WM 6.1 update is not available yet, they are still working out the errors etc. but in a while, they would release the update.
check back http://www.asia.htc.com/asia/hk/index.html

I just leave a sign here so i can easily find it when there is updates.
Also cant just some forum member coock fimmware with all features of HTC for our HTC Touch Elf?

sala91 said:
I just leave a sign here so i can easily find it when there is updates.
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At the top, Thread Tools > Subscribe to this Thread.
I`m sorry for the offtopic.

next official rom update for the HD2 Europe version?

Any news about that?

the next one should be with windows mobile 6.5.x
for more support of the capacitive screen

anxifer said:
the next one should be with windows mobile 6.5.x
for more support of the capacitive screen
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Because can it be that HTC have given up on updating the HD2 already?

Euroman28 said:
Because can it be that HTC have given up on updating the HD2 already?
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I don't think, that HTC has given up on the HD2, yet.
This tweet might be of interest.
to everyone asking about HD2 & Windows Phone 7 Series; nothing announced yet but there may be info coming next month
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http://twitter.com/windowsphone/status/9181323569
...either there will be a statement about HD2 being "transformed" into a WP7S-device with an update, or HTC might tell us that they have prepared WM 6.5.x for the HD2
Nobody knows yet....but I don't think HTC has "left us"

The last update has been 2-3 weeks ago... what do you expect seriously? I also don't think that the next update will contain WM6.5.x-crap. If the HD2 is meant to get an WM7-update then I'm almost sure that HD2 won't get this version. But all we can do is speculating...

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The last update has been 2-3 weeks ago... what do you expect seriously? I also don't think that the next update will contain WM6.5.x-crap. If the HD2 is meant to get an WM7-update then I'm almost sure that HD2 won't get this version. But all we can do is speculating...
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What I seriously think is that there is a chance, that we will get a WM 6.5.3 update.
Yes, it's been 3 weeks since the last ROM, and so? The ROM before that was released in the beginning of December, so about 7 weeks.
...and when is MIX'10? In about a month....so why does this sound so wrong? Especially if the US models get the 6.5.3 ROM, then it wouldn't be so hard to make a version for the unbranded HD2
But yes, we don't know what might og might not happen

if they want to update hd2 to 6.5.3 they would have updated it in the 1.66 roms i think the next update will not be 6.5.3

they really should make an update because there are still so many unsolved issues that really annoy us users (sms lag, ...). Maybe they are already working on it and it will be released when there is a stable version of the newest windows build.

What about win6.5.3 combine with the new version of sense ?

Arent we due WM6.6 soon?

Starfury said:
Arent we due WM6.6 soon?
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We will properly get a 2.00 Rom with Windows Mobile 6.5.3 and some updates included. Maybe a new Youtube Client? Which would allow you to access your youtube account like you can Iphone?
But in my opinion getting an official WM7 HD2 upgrade is a likely as me being invited home by some random woman on this or any friday(Which is very unlikely!)
/Fred

Euroman28 said:
We will properly get a 2.00 Rom with Windows Mobile 6.5.3 and some updates included. Maybe a new Youtube Client? Which would allow you to access your youtube account like you can Iphone?
But in my opinion getting an official WM7 HD2 upgrade is a likely as me being invited home by some random woman on this or any friday(Which is very unlikely!)
/Fred
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If we believe HTC on twitter:
'for Diamond 2 firmware is not planned. Of the existing communicators on the market, only the HD2 firmware to get WM7'
think you better keep your friday nights free towards the end of the year when the OS is eventually released!!!

i think that 6.5.3 update can be a concrete possibility....i don't want to believe that Htc could leave us without this update....