Database Users

So now that HTC have told HD owner to go **** themslves (with regard to WM 6.5)

... do you, the devs of xda developers think it is feisable to run a WM 6.5 ROM at optimum performance on a Touch HD? Okay so we dont have the dedicated Windows Key, but surely we have the spec to run things such as the honeycomb

why ? Where told HTC to not suppport HTC Touch HD any further ?
hans

Did they? how silly of them.

dontworry key mapping is trivial

So, any links to back up that HTC won't release a updated rom?

link #1 - MS statement
"no devices in the market today will receive official 6.5 updates"
link #2 - HTC statement
"customers of the Touch Pro2 and Touch Diamond2 will get 6.5 upgrades for free"
So forget about official upgrade for out Blackstone..

So that means no WM6.5 with right updates for us huh?

No. To be honest, why should they? It's a major upgrade, and would cost HTC money to implement.
Bug fixes we are entitled to, not a new OS.

sorry to say
this has always been the same with WM.....
GET USED TO IT

Well I can't say that I'm particulary bothered about missing out on a free official upgrade to 6.5. From what I've seen so far Microsoft have just done what we've all be doing for some time now, that is making the OS more 'finger friendly'. I'm quite content with my HD now after installing some apps and tweaks to achieve this. Most from the pages of this wonderful forum.
And as for the honeycomb style today page.....they can keep it. Ugly!

To be honest why bother with 6.5 !!! Like all recent upgrades from MS it is just eye candy and nothing more...... Nothing radical or new just a knock off of the eye phone... The HTC Touch screen is more novel than MS....... Be nice if they innovated.....

Im not so bothered on the today section its the better finger menus i think will be good.

I think WM 6.5 looks great and IS A MUST for the Touch HD.
I also think it is absolutely customer ... off giving not wm 6.5 as a update - its ok to take money for it.
As you XDAlers always complain about apple - look at them - they improve the OS every 3 month and give new features and bug fiexes.
We with our nice HTC gadgets don-t get updates or new features.
I have my htc touch hd and love it, but the software is a hell of sloe any you can write as much as you want - WinMo 6.1 ist fuc... slow.
Take the G1 and see what the hardware is capable

69reichertm said:
complain about apple - look at them - they improve the OS every 3 month and give new features and bug fiexes.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
They have to. OS X Mobile does not have proper Bluetooth support, multitasking support, MMS support, copy&paste support, etc., so most advanced user are really angry.
Windows Mobile, on the other hand, is mature OS. There is not much reason to upgrade from Win Mobile 6.1 to 6.5.

I've already talked with the manager of the distributor (father of a friend) here in my country before I bought the phone. They really said that they will not give updates to get the 6.5. but if xda-devs can make a rom out of it, it still wont be official. Hopefully MS solves the auto answer call when taking out the phone, i hate using s2u2 cuz there are sometimes delay and wastes a couple of rings (caller side)

Come on guys. 6.5 ? Honeycomb interface and that is about it, right ? Who cares since most of advanced users use 3rd-party UI anyway. It has FingerMenu version too and IE 6, but they are already here on HD
And since Diamond2/Pro2 will have 6.5 - HD will have it too. May be not officially, but ...
Listen ... I had HTC Wizard with WM5, which had never been officially upgraded. Did not stop me from have it with WM6.1 Pretty sure even Wizard will have 6.5, why not HD ? Dont worry about it.

is the ui all that 6.5 will bring? no additional backend features/settings?

Till yesterday i wanted WM6.5 in HD badly... actually, i still want it.
But now what i really really really want is the new TF3D

Jesus. Are only novice users writing here You want WinMo 6.5 Head over to the ROM section of THIS forum and you will get at least 2 WinMo 6.5 ROM's TODAY They are with early BETA versions of the OS, so you can see things others will MAYBE see in 7-8 months. That's the really cool thing about HTC devices. You always get the good stuff first
On the other hand...HTC actually offers WinMo ugrades for premium phones. Many WinMo 5 phones (including my old Artemis) got an official WinMo 6 upgrade and my Polaris recieved WinMo 6.1 as did the Kaiser, HTC Touch etc.
So stop complaining. The VERY first WimMo 6.5 ALPHA leaked for the...Blue Angel. For those not knowing this great device: The Blue Angel is shipped originaly with WinMo 2003 (not even SE) and is 5 years old.

Here see a Video people demonstrating WM 6.5
http://video.golem.de/handy/1860/windows-mobile-6.5-mobile-world-congress-2009.html
Its not so well performing, as I hoped, maybe it'll get better.

Any Chance for Windows Mobile 6.5 on the Polaris?

Just as the title says. As Microsoft has just release Windows Mobile 6.5 is there any hope that we will get the improved UI to the Polaris?
May HTC even step up to the task themselves? They released 6.0 for a lot of 5.0 phones...
Or are there still cooks active on doing Polaris roms?

probably...yes...
check my Signature

pcarvalho said:
probably...yes...
check my Signature
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Great!!!!
The extremely instable it`s going stable??
Nice , nice to ear it!!!!

JVRSilva said:
Great!!!!
The extremely instable it`s going stable??
Nice , nice to ear it!!!!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
getting there...waiting for a full wm6.5 rom to come out and play

How does it feel in day by day use of the win6.5 interface ? Do we say goodbye to M2D ? Your creation is looking great!

pcarvalho said:
getting there...waiting for a full wm6.5 rom to come out and play
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Great news then!!!!!
Thanx for replying

Wow, the wm 6.5 looks very great for the moment!
I'm intrested in your advance!

fantastic!! i hope it will come soon!!!

feels normal...bit faster in some areas (scrolling)...slower in others(startmenu-the honeycomb-due to drivers as far as i've tested)...but overall its good...if you consider its a leak from chinese beta and seems to be incomplete...
i'm waiting for a better leak wm6.5, for now just finding how new things work and making them better (its gonna be goodbye honeycomb menu for me, at least this one, way slow for me )...

pcarvalho said:
probably...yes...
check my Signature
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
awesome, really really awesome bro!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mais um à espera
Another one waiting

Nils8 said:
Just as the title says. As Microsoft has just release Windows Mobile 6.5 is there any hope that we will get the improved UI to the Polaris?
May HTC even step up to the task themselves? They released 6.0 for a lot of 5.0 phones...
Or are there still cooks active on doing Polaris roms?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Windows Mobile 6.5 RTM will be released in April (see my post here for the details), so NO WM6.5 is not yet released, only beta (leaked) are available.
Concerning Windows Mobile 7 (planned to be released in November to testers), here is the list of partners announced here:
Acer
Asus
Birdstep Technology
Dell
Ericsson
HP
Fujitsu Siemens Computers
Huawei Communications Technologies
Option
Qualcomm
Sierra Wireless
Smith Micro
T-Mobile International
ZTE

pcarvalho said:
probably...yes...
check my Signature
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Good news ;-)

Arni06 said:
Windows Mobile 6.5 RTM will be released in April (see my post here for the details), so NO WM6.5 is not yet released, only beta (leaked) are available.
Concerning Windows Mobile 7 (planned to be released in November to testers), here is the list of partners announced here:
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I really do not know what the strategy is with launching 2 WM versions in such a short span of time. May be MS was just paranoid of losing market share to iPhone and Google - so it launched a band-aid solution until WM7 is launched?

Any attempt at 6.5 now is mainly for some chef to try and be all cool and be the first one to come out with 6.5 rom. I've tried it, and see no point in releasing something like this as it's buggy (beta) and in all truthfulness, 6.1 w/tf2d is better than 6.5 homescreen. The whole honeycomb screen is quite a waste of screenspace as well. It's all quite the gimick to me, and people would probably end up going back to another rom after a week of using a 6.5 beta rom anyways. The only good thing about 6.5 is the revamped IE.

chavonbravo said:
Any attempt at 6.5 now is mainly for some chef to try and be all cool and be the first one to come out with 6.5 rom. I've tried it, and see no point in releasing something like this as it's buggy (beta) and in all truthfulness, 6.1 w/tf2d is better than 6.5 homescreen. The whole honeycomb screen is quite a waste of screenspace as well. It's all quite the gimick to me, and people would probably end up going back to another rom after a week of using a 6.5 beta rom anyways. The only good thing about 6.5 is the revamped IE.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
being the first isn't all that bad i think...would you have some of the things you have now if someone didn't take the 1st step? think not!
yes, you are right, releasing such a rom is still very early, some have, and thanks to them people Now can taste a bit of the Future (some forget its very beta, so lots of bugs)...
i have to desagree, sorry , when you say...only good thing about 6.5 is IE...i would say more...who needs IE? haven't used it since i've had my device...opera or any other good browser (opera mini) is the way to go...
pc experience tells us so
now here are some of my findings...
the new homescreen has lots of potencial...its light and fast...got all the info one needs and only 45% of 101MB of RAM is used...plus it will be customizable (till its limit)...
there is more speed in the wm6.5 rom...or lets say less lagging in some areas...scrolls faster, i see that when i scroll my 4gb memory card using standard explorer...had to disable touchflo cause it was slowing the device down...
skinning of controls will bring a very nice add to customization...i personaly like that...plus they are more thumb friendly...
honeycomb wastes space "as is" but i have already rearranged it in multiple ways (X:Y; 4:Y; 1:Y just to name a few), i dont like it much but its okay...
only major problem here is its current speed that i hope will be better in final release...
its seems a good step ahead...one good thing...i haven't had that "oh, this is so slow" phrase yet as the (programs folder) is not there anymore...so no more laggy icon update...that is always nice...i have a nice fix for that (youtube) but now i will not put it out since 6.5 is comming so its delayed till further notice
there is also a very nice lockscreen too...
lets just see where this goes...
keep up the good work...

Arni06 said:
Windows Mobile 6.5 RTM will be released in April (see my post here for the details), so NO WM6.5 is not yet released, only beta (leaked) are available.
Concerning Windows Mobile 7 (planned to be released in November to testers), here is the list of partners announced here:
Acer
Asus
Birdstep Technology
Dell
Ericsson
HP
Fujitsu Siemens Computers
Huawei Communications Technologies
Option
Qualcomm
Sierra Wireless
Smith Micro
T-Mobile International
ZTE
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Hmmmm - no HTC I see.......
Punishment for bringing out an Android phone?

Sorry, didn't see your posts above that you were releasing a 6.5 rom. Hopefully with tweaks by someone knowledgable, the beta will be closer to decent. And you make good points that maybe more than just IE is good, but I'd still rather wait to base a rom on official 6.5

chavonbravo said:
Sorry, didn't see your posts above that you were releasing a 6.5 rom. Hopefully with tweaks by someone knowledgable, the beta will be closer to decent. And you make good points that maybe more than just IE is good, but I'd still rather wait to base a rom on official 6.5
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
me to await an oficial rom to pop out, or at least a newer one, meanwhile i'll be playing with what i got and making it better
cheers

humble begger....
will you be letting the hd rom go in the days to come pcarvalho ?

Releasedate of R3A

Does anybody know the exact release date of R3A? Heard something of next month, but that's vague... Will there be different releasedates for different countries?

it will be the same old crap again where release dates pop up and dont materialise,
unless there is someone who works for SE and is actually working on the update that can say a specific date then ill wait with confidence but until then I wont beleve any dates

any idea what does it fix?

Dunno about fixes... But it comes with a new game (Xtrakt) and a few new panels (You can check them out on xperia.com; Releasedate is the 31 of March I think). Also a new SIP (Keyboard). I got the informaiton from here: http://xperiancer.blogspot.com/2009/03/xperia-rom-update-on-horizon.html

improve speed in panel manager
improves camera
adds game
adds panel
new media panel (improved speed and radio included in panel)
new keyboard (i still prefer spb one)
prob improve overall speed of phone

Ganondolf said:
improve speed in panel manager
improves camera
adds game
adds panel
new media panel (improved speed and radio included in panel)
new keyboard (i still prefer spb one)
prob improve overall speed of phone
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
hopefully... xperia's camera brings shame to SE

Maybe there will be something at 31st March, because the news panels are expected to be released there, but the only thing we can do it waiting

Ganondolf said:
improve speed in panel manager
improves camera
adds game
adds panel
new media panel (improved speed and radio included in panel)
new keyboard (i still prefer spb one)
prob improve overall speed of phone
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
(Experience from using TOuch-IT 4.5)
1) Yes - it's less pretty but it's loads faster
2) Yes - it loads faster, switches b/w options, has autoflash (yes! finally!), gps pics (don't care)
3) Game is cool.
4) Dunno. Growing panel is cool but gimmicky.
5) Yes, it's faster, has a radio, but it's a memory hog + I'd rather use S2P/S2V.
6) New KB is quite nice, better than EzInput imho. Real plus 4 me. is the Next Word Prediction, v. useful.
7) YES! I moved from R1A => Touch-IT 4.5 (based on R3A) and speed diff is amazing. Screen rotation is almost instant in any app, S2P is actually smooth now. Some jerkiness here and there but much better than R1A.

new update
hi all
did they put in graphics drivers and does opera mobile have a new build?

i hope its good because i have no guts to try custom lol

iantaylor27 said:
hi all
did they put in graphics drivers and does opera mobile have a new build?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Not sure about drivers but yes it has a new build of opera (dont know if any good as i could not get my old opera to unistall when installing by cab but that wont be a prob with the rom)

I hope R3A running better and stabler than R2A.

syzyec said:
I hope R3A running better and stabler than R2A.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
R2A is really good except for couple of soft resets a week!
the graphics is laggy abit but i can live with that. i still didn't have time to hard-SPL my X1, i want to try itje's 6.5, i think 6.5 would be great on this device

I have not flashed Hard-SPL too. I believe the official ROM should be better and wait for WM 6.5 released.

syzyec said:
I have not flashed Hard-SPL too. I believe the official ROM should be better and wait for WM 6.5 released.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
You'll have a long wait. There are no plans for 6.5 to be official released on the X1.

syzyec said:
I have not flashed Hard-SPL too. I believe the official ROM should be better and wait for WM 6.5 released.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
6.5 will never offical come out for the x1. either get a unoffical rom or buy the x2 when it comes out

Whatmakes yousay no 6.5 for the X1 I thought I had seen a post saying it would be available, has it been officially stated as not availble for the X1 from SE?
Regards, Paul

Paul_2222 said:
Whatmakes yousay no 6.5 for the X1 I thought I had seen a post saying it would be available, has it been officially stated as not availble for the X1 from SE?
Regards, Paul
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
It's about thinking logically. What's the benefit for SE if they released it? You can always buy or "organize" WM 6.5 once it's out and installit on your device. Probably half the things won't work anymore, so you'll have to find fixes, copy DLLs and so on. Many customers won't realize a big difference between 6.5 and 6.1. The costs for SE would be too big. Furthermore, the old devices with 6.1 wouldn't sell anymore.

Paul_2222 said:
Whatmakes yousay no 6.5 for the X1 I thought I had seen a post saying it would be available, has it been officially stated as not availble for the X1 from SE?
Regards, Paul
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
microsoft said only htc and lg are currently stated to offer upgrades.
sony could but wont as 6.5 comes out around the time i and many expect a new x model (sony would rather u buy that).
also sony has never upgraded to a new os version on a phone (as far as i know) and i did hope that my w960i would of got a upgrade but it never happened.
its the same as hoping that microsoft gives u a free upgrade to windows 7 from vista.

Yes, I absolutely agree! That is the way it is! We don't get anything in addition from SE after we bought it!
For all the rest.... dream on....

6.1 or 6.5 faster ?

also is bricking the phone recoverable or must sent back to manufacturer? i lived in the u.s.

tommy96814 said:
also is bricking the phone recoverable or must sent back to manufacturer? i lived in the u.s.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
If you actually brick the phone it means you cannot use it ever, won't even turn on i.e. its as much use as a brick!! All you can do is return it.
Are you experiencing problems with your phone? Or are you just worried that you may brick phone if you flash to new rom?
If latter follow cRaCKwHoRe's guide in my signature and you'll be fine. As long as you use USPL or HSPL I'm 99.99% sure you won't brick phone.

tommy96814 said:
i lived in the u.s.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
you are fortunate to have escaped out then!
You generally have to do something pretty dumb to brick your phone to get it into a non-usable state. Most things you'll be able to do with standard flashing tools is bung up a firmware upgrade ( and you start again ). The chances of blowing away the boot loader, are smaller - but if you follow the instructions and don't pull the cable out while its doing stuff, then you'll have no worries.
for me, 6.5 flys and I'll not be going back now to 6.1 i fear. I use minimal ROMS where available as I never use facebook and half the other crap that bloats most of them.

I went back and forth quite alot between 6.1 and 6.5 and finally settled on 6.5 after much personal testing I find 6.5 to be better/perhaps faster and even sharper, clearer screen shots of everything especially noticable in emails. I'll be stickin' with 6.5. Don't care much for the wm default titanium thing tho...jmo

I've had 6.5 for a few months (fast & stable) and don't plan to go backword to 6.1!

sucess on upgrading to miri 6.5 v16.1
one problem now is i cannot play any of the youtube site videos and... i'm looking for this theme that widgetkid on youtube was running... anybody know?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYOFw19ec0o

Not to open a new topic, is HTC intend to release a new official rom based on WM 6.5?

AFAIK (from multitue of WM/HTC forums) Probabely Not

jankos said:
Not to open a new topic, is HTC intend to release a new official rom based on WM 6.5?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
No - HTC will not provide official ROM updates to 6.5 for the Touch HD!

MAMeingast said:
No - HTC will not provide official ROM updates to 6.5 for the Touch HD!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Just curious, but why wouldn't they? Is it their way of forcing the common users to upgrade to a newer device, then that makes sense from a business perspective on their part. Common users being the average joe's/janes who do not know about xda's wonderful chefs. I mean it's not like we haven't been sampling the 6.5 os already anyway with more, better goodies to come.

cbreze said:
Just curious, but why wouldn't they? Is it their way of forcing the common users to upgrade to a newer device, then that makes sense from a business perspective on their part. Common users being the average joe's/janes who do not know about xda's wonderful chefs. I mean it's not like we haven't been sampling the 6.5 os already anyway with more, better goodies to come.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Aside from encouraging you to upgrade to the new shiny model (which is the main driver), manufacturers have to pay licensing costs to Microsoft for each version of WM (just as you would for a desktop Windows upgrade). So it would cost them money to make it available retrospectively for existing phones when they have already paid for the 6.1 licence. It was made fairly clear by HTC and most other manufacturers that 6.5 would only be made available with newly released devices after the WM6.5 launch.

cbreze said:
Just curious, but why wouldn't they? Is it their way of forcing the common users to upgrade to a newer device, then that makes sense from a business perspective on their part.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yepp, I'm pretty sure that's the reason...
cbreze said:
Common users being the average joe's/janes who do not know about xda's wonderful chefs. I mean it's not like we haven't been sampling the 6.5 os already anyway with more, better goodies to come.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Even if we already use WM6.5 because the great cooks on this forum have provided us with it - it still makes sense for HTC not to offer official upgrades for two reasons:
1. With no official upgrades, we void our warrenty using cooked ROMs. In a worst case scenario they could refuse any support on a damaged item running 6.5.
2. They don't have to offer any support (online, mail, website) for 6.5.
EDIT: For proof of number 1, read this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=3907598&postcount=5

galaxys said:
I've had 6.5 for a few months (fast & stable) and don't plan to go backword to 6.1!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
So which is the most stable 6.5? I tried a couple but I keep having to reboot my phone to get out of crashes and so miss a lot of calls. For me, speed is essential but stability is precious!
Thanks!

Abram said:
So which is the most stable 6.5? I tried a couple but I keep having to reboot my phone to get out of crashes and so miss a lot of calls. For me, speed is essential but stability is precious!
Thanks!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Well in my case i tried almost all the 6.5 roms and my favorites were lost in asia and miri v17 i feel both are stable and faster than the 6.1 htc rom

honestly if u want stable, dont use a beta rom ...
btw if you bricked it, i doubt they will restore right ? since u r "not" suppose to do so

leobox1 said:
honestly if u want stable, dont use a beta rom ...
btw if you bricked it, i doubt they will restore right ? since u r "not" suppose to do so
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Well, not to be picky, there are stable (lifting off the cover every 30 minutes) and there are stable (using the reset software once or twice a day). Yes, even for beta which is what they all are. I know which stable even you will choose.

HTC Hero interface

any chance to get it working on rhodium??
see the video...
http://www.macitynet.it/macity/aA38603/htc_hero_arriva_il_terzo_android_con_nuova_interfaccia.shtml

Nice interface, but I think it's a very long way off any hope of being ported for the Rhodium, and thats if anyone sees it as a great advantage. It would be a massive project.
Seems to be largely based on TF3D, just remoulded, and probably re-engineered. Looks a lot smoother, but then again it's only a video and they can make it look as smooth as they like! Certainly has all the trademarks of a HTC interface though....like a cross between TF3D and PointUI.
When is this device out anyway? It would be typical of HTC to announce a new one, only weeks after we've all forked out for our Rhodiums!

here's hoping HTC bundle something similar with their 6.5 update for the rhodium!

We shouldn't need to port it.
In a press release HTC have stated that the Sense UI will be rolled out across all HTC handsets, regardless of OS.
Check front page of my site in my link for more details (don't want to spam this forum as I like it here )

jeah i think the will develope it for win mobile 6.5 and android. so we can hope this interface wil come to our TP2

lhwparis said:
jeah i think the will develope it for win mobile 6.5 and android. so we can hope this interface wil come to our TP2
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
i hope so...but knowing htc i think the new interface will be available for new devices (devices released after the HTC Hero...)...i hope im wrong...

I don't think so, they have promised upgrades to 6.5 for diamond 2 and touch pro 2 owners (as part of the sales blurb) and i imagine this is their big push at doing something different, creating a consistent user interface throughout their range regardless of OS.
I think they really want to dominate and they're certainly doing a good job so far.
Now if only I could get flash working with the default browser...

dazkeirle said:
We shouldn't need to port it.
In a press release HTC have stated that the Sense UI will be rolled out across all HTC handsets, regardless of OS.
Check front page of my site in my link for more details (don't want to spam this forum as I like it here )
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
yeah, I have checked it but it also say that it will be available on all new HTC devices moving forward this takes TP2 out of the loop as it is older. Unless they will plan it for the promised WM6.5 version ..

Either way if it's coming to newer devices I'm sure the geniuses here can work out a way to get it running on the TP2 without much effort

this Hero (HTC Sense) really really adorable
Tried android with Raphael, i love the new OS experience

dazultra2000 said:
Either way if it's coming to newer devices I'm sure the geniuses here can work out a way to get it running on the TP2 without much effort
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Exactly – thx God for XDA developers :-D
sometimes I wonder whether any other platform has such a great support .. well who cares … we DO :-D

Mashe said:
yeah, I have checked it but it also say that it will be available on all new HTC devices moving forward this takes TP2 out of the loop as it is older. Unless they will plan it for the promised WM6.5 version ..
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
...as i said...

thats waht i said. i think the new interface will come with new windows mobile 6.5 devices. if we have a little luck the TP2 win6.5 update will come with this interface too

lhwparis said:
thats waht i said. i think the new interface will come with new windows mobile 6.5 devices. if we have a little luck the TP2 win6.5 update will come with this interface too
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
and if not that XDA will (hopefully)

Do want!
Looks like a big improvement over TF3D.
Hopefully we'll get this in the official 6.5 upgrade...

yes yes
Lightbulb HTC Hero TF3D Manila 2.1 V2.0 on TP2
it works on mine TP2
cab fils @ http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=538826

I believe this is called PointSense...
You can see more here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=542107
Apparently this works but it's slower than the TF3D