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Crossbow will become available?

...the topic says it all. (talking for trinity of course)
MS announced it officially.
Anybody heard anything?

That is a question for some old HTC/QTEK users, if they managed to install newer OS on some older devices than maybe there is a hope for Trinity also in future.

banesi said:
That is a question for some old HTC/QTEK users, if they managed to install newer OS on some older devices than maybe there is a hope for Trinity also in future.
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Best thing that could happen to a Trinity user: HTC releasing ROM to include WM6, GPS Functionality, FM Radio Enabled (if the H/W exists) all before the end of the month.
After moving from XP to Vista, using WM5 just doesn't feel right anymore.

I would be very surprised if HTC would give away a brand new OS for free. Expect to pay for it, if it is released at all.

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I would be very surprised if HTC would give away a brand new OS for free. Expect to pay for it, if it is released at all.
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I am taking bets on HTC not releasing any Crossbow ROMs for the current line of products.

anonimo said:
I am taking bets on HTC not releasing any Crossbow ROMs for the current line of products.
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I'm probably going to wander off to the Eten corner if HTC do this to us.

Someone have actually mailed to Dopod(owned by HTC) and they replied that they will not offer WM6 upgrade to any of the existing WM5 models. They only said that new WM6 model will be out soon. So...

The New Touch Cruise 09!

HTC Announced they are releasing a new version of the the touch cruise, what are your thoughts on this is this htc trying to recover from a bad software implementation or what, i think its unfair for them to bring out a new model to recover from it not every one can afford upgrading phones everytime a new one comes out.

You mean "Iolite"?
Here are many roms with the same specs (like footprints or M2D or Navipanel...).
So you can have a new phone without buying a new device!

Lord Meshadieme said:
HTC Announced they are releasing a new version of the the touch cruise, what are your thoughts on this is this htc trying to recover from a bad software implementation or what, i think its unfair for them to bring out a new model to recover from it not every one can afford upgrading phones everytime a new one comes out.
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I am under the same impression too. HTC released new devices in Diamond family with distinctive names. I don't think they ran out of naming ideas . This is a clear indication (at least to me) that the original Cruise has some fundamental flaws. If it where to be firmware related a new ROM or some sort of SW upgrade could have that fixed. I am convinced that is HW related (i.e.: bad or compromised overall design; bad choice of components, etc.).
Some people here on this forum could argue that the design is similar with some other successful devices from the past. This is not completely true since we don't have full access to the internals of these designs.
Being able to load some non-official ROMs on our devices is not a real upgrade it is merely a change of user interface and a set of bugs/problems different from the original ROMs.
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florinfr said:
I am under the same impression too. HTC released new devices in Diamond family with distinctive names. I don't think they ran out of naming ideas . This is a clear indication (at least to me) that the original Cruise has some fundamental flaws. If it where to be firmware related a new ROM or some sort of SW upgrade could have that fixed. I am convinced that is HW related (i.e.: bad or compromised overall design; bad choice of components, etc.).
Some people here on this forum could argue that the design is similar with some other successful devices from the past. This is not completely true since we don't have full access to the internals of these designs.
Being able to load some non-official ROMs on our devices is not a real upgrade it is merely a change of user interface and a set of bugs/problems different from the original ROMs.
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This makes no sense. If HTC knew that the original Cruise had problems, why would they name a new device with the same name as the flawed one? When the original Cruise was released it was pretty flash from a hardware point of view - remember that was a couple of years ago now, so you really can't compare with current stuff. People seem to think that their devices will somehow manage to stay up to date with newer technology - which is impossible. For me, other than the video driver issue (which for me is really no issue at all) the Cruise works fine. If it didn't, I'd bite the bullet and simply replace it with a newer device, which by the way would probably be out of date 3 months after I buy it.

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This makes no sense. If HTC knew that the original Cruise had problems, why would they name a new device with the same name as the flawed one? When the original Cruise was released it was pretty flash from a hardware point of view - remember that was a couple of years ago now, so you really can't compare with current stuff. People seem to think that their devices will somehow manage to stay up to date with newer technology - which is impossible. For me, other than the video driver issue (which for me is really no issue at all) the Cruise works fine. If it didn't, I'd bite the bullet and simply replace it with a newer device, which by the way would probably be out of date 3 months after I buy it.
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I never implied, or thought for that matter, about my device staying up to date and competing on the same level with the newer devices.
The question was: Why not HTC Touch Cruise2 or something else? Why the newer device has exactly the same name? Oh yeah: they added the (09) description in order to avoid confusion and a heap of confused customer support.
One more thing:
On the device list on their site there is NO trace of the old Cruise but one can find the Tytn II which is an older device. One can ask himself way that is?
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HTC WM 6.5 Lobby Group

Considering the number of users of the Blackstone in this forum PLUS the other enthusiast sites such as modaco.com and htcpedia.com should we not start up a lobby group to petition HTC to get access to the WM 6.5 upgrade PLUS new SENSE GUI ???
I understand the HD2 is on it's way - but a lot of us waited for the release of the HD and supported HTC by purchasing it....at very least we could get the 6.5 upgrade OR an update to the TF3D (i.e. SENSE) interface...
Any thoughts ???
Asp

Agree. They should give us at least the new GUI.

Aspi914 said:
Considering the number of users of the Blackstone in this forum PLUS the other enthusiast sites such as modaco.com and htcpedia.com should we not start up a lobby group to petition HTC to get access to the WM 6.5 upgrade PLUS new SENSE GUI ???
I understand the HD2 is on it's way - but a lot of us waited for the release of the HD and supported HTC by purchasing it....at very least we could get the 6.5 upgrade OR an update to the TF3D (i.e. SENSE) interface...
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I agree. Not because I want a wm6.5 update with htc sense from them (there are already plenty here), but because how they sidelined us, users of the "older" touch hd, touch pro and diamond. It wasn't that long ago, HTC. Don't try to justify yourself. Imagine paying big bucks for a HTC Touch HD 5 months back and now you read a statement from HTC that they won't be providing updates for you cause you're using an "older" device.
I mean, c'mon. Don't treat us like rubbish. We helped you to become what you are today. From a nobody in Taiwan, to the number one producer of windows mobile phones. The Blackstone was only released about a year ago (or less, to be exact). Did you really expect us to keep changing devices every couple of months? No offense to TD2 and TP2 users but the spec sheets of these "newer" aren't any different from the Blackstone's! Benchmark results may prove otherwise but the bottom line is, the guys from HTC releases new phones every now and then which has little or even no improvement from the devices their replacing and they expect us to keep up. wth.

I agree with abubakar comments...
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....and now you read a statement from HTC that they won't be providing updates for you cause you're using an "older" device.
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You're right about the "Older" reference - My phone is 6 months old and I have to read comments like http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=8773
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The Blackstone was only released about a year ago (or less, to be exact). Did you really expect us to keep changing devices every couple of months?
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And again you make a valid point - they should have an 18 month minimum on platform updates / enhancements.
When you go to the HTC website for support - for example "HTC Touch HD ROM Upgrade (For Telstra)" they quote that "As always, HTC is committed to providing customers with the best possible mobile experience"
Is access to either WM 6.5 or HTC Sense an example of "HTC is committed to providing customers with the best possible mobile experience"

Anthony Petts is the Sales and Marketing Director ANZ for HTC Corporation - Any one got any contact details for him ?

Can't really see a petition doing any good. The HD is a great device but it isd starting to be over shadowed by newer devices which HTC want us to buy instead of giving us updates for free. Why would they change this when they don't need to!!

I know that I'm very dissapointed in HTC and that I'll probably never buy new phone from them. Their support is very bad and there is so many new phones, so... I'm totally confused which I should buy for example. I have Blackstone and that's probably tha last phone I'll have from HTC.

Having been the owner of both the htc touch cruise and the hd 8282 I will say that htc customer support is a bad as I have ever seen from a mobile phone manufacturer.
Seems as though once you have purchase the device they forget about you. I have made my mistake twice and will not do the same again. I guess I will bite the bullet and get an Iphone unfortunately.

I have to say that I'm on about my 5th HTC device and only once have I had to speak with HTC support and they where pretty good. My old Prophet had a problem in that it was stuck in headphone mode! HTC replaced the mainboard and had it back to me in about 12 days.
With regards to updates to WM6.5 for example, if you brought a PC from HP with Vista on it do you think they would give you a free copy of Windows 7 when it got released? No they wouldn't so I'm not sure why people expect HTC to do the same thing?
What would be interesting is if Microsoft made available for purchase the latest build when they release them but then of coarse you'd be left with just a vanila OS and none of HTCs own apps. Unless HTC went down the route of making available all their apps in a similar way HP and the like do for PCs?
PS - I'll also be buying a new HTC device when the time comes!

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PS - I'll also be buying a new HTC device when the time comes!
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maybe after the 1st intro of WM7?
6.5 sucks for me
and if Microsoft not gonna do anything about improvement then HD is my last WM device

It seems to me that if you buy a phone with a certain level of capability (or system software level) you have a reasonable expectation to support to maintain that level. Unless it's part of your contract at purchase, it is unreasonable to expect new software and enhanced functionality.
I'm not being funny, but I've seen similar calls many times over the last fifteen years. I've never yet seen them be effective. One of the most frustrating examples of this is the powerful video hardware, totally unsupported by drivers on a large number of HTC devices. Massive campaigns - no substantive action.
I mention this as a warning to people considering a new purchase from HTC, like for example the the new HD2 - it's a great looking hardware platform, that the OS doesn't natively support. Doesn't it feel like we've been here before?
I'm not buying another HTC device until the capability of the hardware is fully exposed, in a consistent way via the systems software, for use in applications. I don't see any of the HTC WM devices where this is not some level of an issue, in fact the last phone that I had from HTC, that didn't give me some cause for concern in this regard was Tytn.
From now on I'm only buying finshed, well integrated, mobile devices. I want to spend my time and money exploiting their potential and adding features I need.....not trying got get them to work properly and overcome limitations in the release state of the device. I'm drawing a line in the sand, right here.....

trentend said:
It seems to me that if you buy a phone with a certain level of capability (or system software level) you have a reasonable expectation to support to maintain that level. Unless it's part of your contract at purchase, it is unreasonable to expect new software and enhanced functionality.
I'm not being funny, but I've seen similar calls many times over the last fifteen years. I've never yet seen them be effective. One of the most frustrating examples of this is the powerful video hardware, totally unsupported by drivers on a large number of HTC devices. Massive campaigns - no substantive action.
I mention this as a warning to people considering a new purchase from HTC, like for example the the new HD2 - it's a great looking hardware platform, that the OS doesn't natively support. Doesn't it feel like we've been here before?
I'm not buying another HTC device until the capability of the hardware is fully exposed, in a consistent way via the systems software, for use in applications. I don't see any of the HTC WM devices where this is not some level of an issue, in fact the last phone that I had from HTC, that didn't give me some cause for concern in this regard was Tytn.
From now on I'm only buying finshed, well integrated, mobile devices. I want to spend my time and money exploiting their potential and adding features I need.....not trying got get them to work properly and overcome limitations in the release state of the device. I'm drawing a line in the sand, right here.....
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+1 I couldn't agree more! I'll be keeping an eye on the forums for the new phones and unless I'm satisfied HTC are finally using an operating system that can fully utilise their great hardware, this will be my last HTC device.

+1 to the OP, and I'm behind the line in the sand too

I read somewhere that if the phone does not have windows start logo button on it, chances are slim that you get 6.5 update. Touch HD has that button missing.

i prefer a good non official cooked (wm6.5) rom than an official one
So it don't really matter for me.... but i still think that's a shame!!

crankshaft
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I have to say that I'm on about my 5th HTC device and only once have I had to speak with HTC support and they where pretty good. My old Prophet had a problem in that it was stuck in headphone mode! HTC replaced the mainboard and had it back to me in about 12 days.
With regards to updates to WM6.5 for example, if you brought a PC from HP with Vista on it do you think they would give you a free copy of Windows 7 when it got released? No they wouldn't so I'm not sure why people expect HTC to do the same thing?
What would be interesting is if Microsoft made available for purchase the latest build when they release them but then of coarse you'd be left with just a vanila OS and none of HTCs own apps. Unless HTC went down the route of making available all their apps in a similar way HP and the like do for PCs?
PS - I'll also be buying a new HTC device when the time comes!
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if u bought a pc with vista they are offering windows 7 at a reduced rate to ya so why not do that with windows 6.5?????????????????????????

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if u bought a pc with vista they are offering windows 7 at a reduced rate to ya so why not do that with windows 6.5?????????????????????????
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Because very few would pay for it, making it a waste of their time.
Besides, their business is selling new phones. Why cannibalise the sales of newer models by upgrading older ones?

crankshaft said:
With regards to updates to WM6.5 for example, if you brought a PC from HP with Vista on it do you think they would give you a free copy of Windows 7 when it got released? No they wouldn't so I'm not sure why people expect HTC to do the same thing?
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In many cases they do - prior to Vista release and again with Windows 7 there are machines that are enjoying upgrades once the new software is released - sure HTC are doing it with select devices as well - but you have to admit that with the HD being just 6 months old (...in Australia anyway...) that it would be fare to deem it acceptable to offer an upgrade....
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What would be interesting is if Microsoft made available for purchase the latest build when they release them but then of coarse you'd be left with just a vanila OS and none of HTCs own apps.
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Agree with your comments here - and I would have no problem paying a reasonable fee to upgrade to 6.5 and HTC SENSE.

For me, i'd rather have a rom update with all the new focntionnalities of the TF3D ( newer version or even Sense UI perhaps !), bug fixes, etc. than a 6.5 windows for the touch HD with all the old things.... what windows 6.5 really brings to us ? a new start menu ? what else.... less memory usage.. i don't think... faster ? don't know really cause 'im not an expert, but didn't really see anything new interesting... and of course anything an application can do, freeware of course and without having to cook a ROM...
So, my point of view.. i'd rather have a new rom on old windows but optimized and with new fonctionalities !
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arfster said:
Because very few would pay for it, making it a waste of their time.
Besides, their business is selling new phones. Why cannibalise the sales of newer models by upgrading older ones?
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Ever heard of a company called Apple and a phone called the iPhone?
Why should I buy the HD2, which will become out-of-date as soon as WM7 arrives in a few months, when I can get an iPhone and free software upgrades for life?
HTC need to become more customer focussed and pay more attention to the competition.
However realistically I don't think a petition will work. Falling market share might though.

Now that TG-01 is xda member...

Is it going to get some expirienced rom developer and phone cracker? I would really enjoy being able to flash new roms.... So that's my petition! Crack the rom flashing system!

Now that TG-01 is xda member
we broke the enigma code
think TG01 should be easier, if xda developers are up to a challenge!
even the ps3 has been decrypted come on guys

I wonder how popular is this phone with the developers?

i would be more then happy to donate a reward to the person/team who crack tg01 to get custom roms working it what this phone needs i bet there are devs more then capable of it

I for one would love the TG01 to have the ability to have custom roms on! I'm near enough at the end of my tether with the software on this phone its absolutely terrible. Who knows how long its going to be before Orange decided to roll out the mysterious update from toshiba that fixes the call noise problems etc...think its going to be a while anyway!
So any form of development on this phone would be a god send from what is out there just now and at the end of the day £150 in the UK for the fastest phone on the market is phenominal value!!
I've never bothered looking into the decryption of phones but I think I might when I've got time have a look into it to try and help out

Hope you guys of this wonderful xda developers team can take a look to tg01 and bring us the opportunity to have some new rom ! Thanks in adv.

If they do manage to crack and flash custom roms on the TG01, would it be possible to have HTC running apps/software on it? thanks

you are all dreaming you will not see any thing useful in xda the concentration is on htc devices

yes and dreams come true for some hopefully its possible, this device is quite awesome especially if it had custom roms

hoss_n2 said:
you are all dreaming you will not see any thing useful in xda the concentration is on htc devices
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Thats because HTC was all that was available originally. A lot of people are now joining up (myself included) because XDA has now included other popular handsets. Even the HTC phones had to start somewhere . . .

sagam12 said:
yes and dreams come true for some hopefully its possible, this device is quite awesome especially if it had custom roms
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Salut la compagnie !
Having bought my French TG01 second-hand, with WinMo 6.5 + Orange overlay, I've desimlocked it, because I'm a Bouygues customer. Now, I would really like to get rid of all the Orange additions which seem to gum up the works.
Interestingly enough, a few minutes ago, I tried to get on the Toshiba France site to see whether they are now offering downloads of unbranded WinMo 6.5, and I couldn't even find the Toshiba Mobile/TG01 page any longer. Did I not look hard enough ? Or has Toshiba abandoned the TG01 ?
Thanks to all !

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Salut la compagnie !
Having bought my French TG01 second-hand, with WinMo 6.5 + Orange overlay, I've desimlocked it, because I'm a Bouygues customer. Now, I would really like to get rid of all the Orange additions which seem to gum up the works.
Interestingly enough, a few minutes ago, I tried to get on the Toshiba France site to see whether they are now offering downloads of unbranded WinMo 6.5, and I couldn't even find the Toshiba Mobile/TG01 page any longer. Did I not look hard enough ? Or has Toshiba abandoned the TG01 ?
Thanks to all !
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Next time look hard
http://www.toshiba-europe.com/mobile/

Many thanks and very sorry !
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Next time look hard
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P.S. As a new user, I couldn't leave Bojan6's link in the message, but it's there in the thread.

htc hd2 , still alive

HI . i am courious if anyone has any inside informaiton on the hd2 receiving more offical ROM updates . or have they already moved onto bigger and better things ?
Cheers

only time will tell us ,but i think no more updates soon

is this the shortest ever lived super phone...?, although im pretty happy with it still

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only time will tell us ,but i think no more updates soon
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I hope we get no updates soon, because looking at other HTC devices, I think HD2 has got only 1 chance of a big update and it shouldn't be wasted as 6.5.3. They will definetely release an update and the support called it Windows Mobile 7. I hope we get the better version (WP7S) and not the crappy Windows Phone Classic.

I really don't care, I haven't had an official rom on my HD2 since the HSPL was released and that wasn't going to change any time soon.

Pagnell said:
I really don't care, I haven't had an official rom on my HD2 since the HSPL was released and that wasn't going to change any time soon.
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but remember porting wp7 will be much more harder than porting wm6.5 roms ( no backword comptability ,which means drivers and applications used to operate the device will not be exist (camera ,bluetooth , wifi , radio ,and more ) like the problems happening in porting android to other phones the mentiond apps doesnot work

Sorry, I should have made my viewpoint clearer. From what I have seen and heard of WM7, I'm not that bothered about it anyway. It looks like a step backwards to me, albeit one with lots of eye candy for those that don't look beneath the surface. Microsoft have seen Apple succeed with that viewpoint and want a slice of the action.
I can upgrade to a new phone in 11 months time, I will be happy for my HD2 to have the various cooks of 6.5.x until then.