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About the common screen bug: Start Menu popup when thumb tapping

Hi,
lot of users had reported the Screen Bug:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9_1BAiU_7k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNv8FMy_mVU
This bug will popup your starmenu when:
- you are using "huge" thumb while tapping the display (xt9 sms writing for example)
- cpu is overheating (because it's near the diplay area)
I'm working to solve this issue via software.
Project moved to my website:
http://www.xiaprojects.com/?section...ols&action=HTC Trinity - P3600 Screen Bug Fix
Changelog:
0.0.10 Bugfix, now work on all WM6.1 themes and also new "Transparent" feature make it invisible! a good starting point to put TopBar by default in P3600 roms
thank you!

Sounds great! I have this problem so I would be keen to find a solution. Good luck and thanks in advance!

Exellent project.
Im testing now

Great program.
Since i've installed it, i have not been able to provoke the star menu poping up. Usually I could provoke it by randomly tapping the today screen, but not anymore...
This has been the most annoying bugs of the telephone, and i'm very happy that it seems to be fixed...
Thank you so very very much...
BeeBo

10x a lot stefanux ) i've started the TopBar program and tried it , wrote down a couple of e-mails and sms'es, and the start menu did not pop out even once , thank you again for your work

hmm.. i thought its a hardware issue? i used to have start menu problem.. sent in for screen replacement.. now my camera pops up from time to time ha..

ha! All this time I was wondering why my battery status kept popping up at random.. I never thought it was a screen problem. Maybe on my next disassembly I can sand down the bezel or something.

Stefano,
I am wandering if this program need to be place in the startup folder so that it will get started ? (please forgive me if you think this is a silly question).
Thanks for the great problem.

stefanux .... Thank you !!! although your intention was to let us capture the false pressure coordinate and feedback to you, somehow after running your little proggy, like the others i was not able to reproduce the start menu problem anymore. fyi, i did manage to reproduce the problem right before i start your little proggy.
will report again if the problem comes back after a soft reset Hopefully, this would make this most annoying problem go away.
again, thanks !

perfect
Hi,
good work, it just perfect for me, finally got rid of this only unbelievble bug.
thnks.

grate work

Excellent Tool! Thanks for posting it. Is there a way to prevent you from running it multiple times. Since you don't see anything on screen you are tempted to keep clicking on it - since your not sure its running. Maybe the second time you click it can popup saying its already running. But otherwise this thing rocks.

miata said:
stefanux .... Thank you !!! although your intention was to let us capture the false pressure coordinate and feedback to you, somehow after running your little proggy, like the others i was not able to reproduce the start menu problem anymore. fyi, i did manage to reproduce the problem right before i start your little proggy.
will report again if the problem comes back after a soft reset Hopefully, this would make this most annoying problem go away.
again, thanks !
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hi again, finally i manage to reproduce the start menu drop popup thingy. somehow, its harder to reproduce when your program is active.
However, manage to capture the coordinate of the fake pressure, 4 out of 4 time 0:0.
Hopefully this helps

omg, if this works..it will solve one of the biggest headaches (unfortunately, not all) i have with this phone!!!
Edit: Running this app and randomly touching the screen still results in the start menu popping up. I've noticed someone saying it works after a while. Does that mean this app takes some time before it can adapt to the pressures being applied at the start menu? Also, what is TopBar-diags.zip for?

Good !!!
miata said:
hi again, finally i manage to reproduce the start menu drop popup thingy. somehow, its harder to reproduce when your program is active.
However, manage to capture the coordinate of the fake pressure, 4 out of 4 time 0:0.
Hopefully this helps
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I'm searching for this!
later I will relase 0.0.3 thank you!

TotalNub said:
omg, if this works..it will solve one of the biggest headaches (unfortunately, not all) i have with this phone!!!
Edit: Running this app and randomly touching the screen still results in the start menu popping up. I've noticed someone saying it works after a while. Does that mean this app takes some time before it can adapt to the pressures being applied at the start menu? Also, what is TopBar-diags.zip for?
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Try 0.0.3 when ready, diags may help to find which coords are "fake"

I'm using the diag version. Oddly enough, even when the start menu pops up, the box where it displays the coords is still labeled with "Start!".

TotalNub said:
I'm using the diag version. Oddly enough, even when the start menu pops up, the box where it displays the coords is still labeled with "Start!".
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try 0.0.3 and test if it fix the start menu....

hi stefano
just a minor feature request is it possible to fix the big for landscape screen orientation as well?

i notice another prob.. usually i ignore my alarm (default wm alarm) on my trin, but when i woke up in the morning, i can see the notification blinking between calendar & notification.. i'm annoyed with that problem.. is it normal?... can someone point me how fix that?..

WM6.5 lock screen delay fix

I want to start this threat to put together information in order to sort out why the device lock delay (see below) appears and how to solve it.
wm6.5 device lock app has changed from "tap here and next there" to a slider style like app you know from s2u2.
problem:
device lock is enabled
Code:
HKCU\ControlPanel\BackLight\AutoDeviceLockEnable=1
wake up the device by short pressing the power button
device lock screen is displayed instantly
it takes ~2 seconds until the slider of the device lock screen is activated and can be slided.
if you use device lock it becomes really annyoing.
there are some threads about this like this one, but the solution is not working on a Touch HD.
can anybody sched some light onthe problem why and where it appears or maybe someone already found a solution.
please post any useful information.
please do not post tips like use s2u2 or any other locking app - I do not want to use them.

the only thing i can thing of is use s2u2 or any other locking app

egoist6 said:
please do not post tips like use s2u2 or any other locking app - I do not want to use them.
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cookiemonster55 said:
the only thing i can thing of is use s2u2 or any other locking app
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cookiemonster, either you didn't read his post or you're a sort of a jerk.
And yes, in response to the poster, I have the same problem.

Zoltair Wright said:
cookiemonster, either you didn't read his post or you're a sort of a jerk.
And yes, in response to the poster, I have the same problem.
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latest build 23001 still has this annoying delay

Iv noticed this too... The biggest annoyance for me is you turn the device on and the backlight isnt very bright, makes it near impossible to see the screen in daylight. Is it possible to have the backlight come on full when you press the power button?

i have this problem too. i think it is a serious bug of wm6.5
just hoping it will be fixed when the official release come out.

god i thought i was the only one, something about my config...
and i was exited about the new 6.5 lock screen,
but then it works like all the other M$ 6.5 sh!t, it doesn't
had to switch away from it

May be this help you:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=527219

A1983 said:
May be this help you:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=527219
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thanks for your help - but that was the solution i am talking about in my first post and unfortunately does not work.

also find this intensely annoying! if you look, on my hd, in the top left corner a small windows flag appears to indicate that the slider is locked, it disappears once the slider is active, and there is a definite exact time out, i dont think its random or a load time
hope this is sorted cos its rubbish!
regards
mat

What I've done that got rid of most of the delays regarding the lock screen on my Xperia:
I got 6 cpr files from my device's /Windows directory: LS_LockScene_xxxxxxx.cpr, LS_AlarmScene_xxxxxxx.cpr and LS_PhoneAlertScene_xxxxxxx.cpr. Get files that fit the resolution of your device, they are in pairs for portrait and landscape
opened each one of them in a text editor (they are XMLs inside)
removed all "ControlSequence" sections from them (those sections are small (like 4 entries) and big (up to 21 entries). These sections are animations of arrows. Arrows will still be there after that, they just won't animate.
uploaded cpr files back to /Windows, overwriting originals
soft-reseted.
Hope it works on your devices too

lemat1 said:
also find this intensely annoying! if you look, on my hd, in the top left corner a small windows flag appears to indicate that the slider is locked, it disappears once the slider is active, and there is a definite exact time out, i dont think its random or a load time
hope this is sorted cos its rubbish!
regards
mat
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yeah. and with 6.5 23003 onwards in the top right corner an "X" (for close) appears. only when it goes off you can access the slider.
it seems as if an app is started.

pikipirs said:
What I've done that got rid of most of the delays regarding the lock screen on my Xperia:
I got 6 cpr files from my device's /Windows directory: LS_LockScene_xxxxxxx.cpr, LS_AlarmScene_xxxxxxx.cpr and LS_PhoneAlertScene_xxxxxxx.cpr. Get files that fit the resolution of your device, they are in pairs for portrait and landscape
opened each one of them in a text editor (they are XMLs inside)
removed all "ControlSequence" sections from them (those sections are small (like 4 entries) and big (up to 21 entries). These sections are animations of arrows. Arrows will still be there after that, they just won't animate.
uploaded cpr files back to /Windows, overwriting originals
soft-reseted.
Hope it works on your devices too
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great. that helped a lot!
now the lock screen is flickering shortly and the whole lock screen slides in once more from the bottom to the top but then the slider is instantly accessible.
from a time perspective a great improvement!

update:
basically you can delete the whole layer
Code:
<Layer ID="SlidePath" >
...
</Layer>
which removes the animation of the arrows and the arrows themselves.
do not delete this section if you do not know in which direction to slide the button
however, the delay is still ~1 second. but i think i can live with that allthough it is annoying to wait one stupid second to proceed

the delay you get when recieving a call with lockscreen on is caused by the slide to answer feature of alot of the new dialers. it conflicts with the popup call answer screen with wm 6.5. to fix this can find a dialer that doesnt have slide to answer feature. the backlight problem came from backlight.dll in the kaiser, using a new one from stock rom now and it works perfect

If you enable the enter a pin number after slide, there is no delay at all. I know this isnt a solution i hate entering a pin. however, i have a felling the pin app is running in the background and thus you dont get the flicker where it flicks from Start menu back to the lock app. Hence if you could create a dummy pin app, it could work to stop the delay.

twopumpchump said:
the delay you get when recieving a call with lockscreen on is caused by the slide to answer feature of alot of the new dialers. it conflicts with the popup call answer screen with wm 6.5. to fix this can find a dialer that doesnt have slide to answer feature. the backlight problem came from backlight.dll in the kaiser, using a new one from stock rom now and it works perfect
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thanks for your reply. but i also have the delay when simply waking up the device by pressing the power button (without receiving a call)

xternal said:
If you enable the enter a pin number after slide, there is no delay at all. I know this isnt a solution i hate entering a pin. however, i have a felling the pin app is running in the background and thus you dont get the flicker where it flicks from Start menu back to the lock app. Hence if you could create a dummy pin app, it could work to stop the delay.
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that's true. i replaced LS_SimplePinScene_480x800.cpr with an empty one and allthough not using pinlock, the lock app did not work at all.

What if we designed something where when you slide it calls a mortscript or something and enters 0000+OK to by pass the pin screen (assuming you set pin to 0000). Then you edit the Pin screen so it is just a clear page, so you dont even see the pin screen flash up.
Not sure if this is at all possible as im not a programmer. Just a thought

xternal said:
What if we designed something where when you slide it calls a mortscript or something and enters 0000+OK to by pass the pin screen (assuming you set pin to 0000). Then you edit the Pin screen so it is just a clear page, so you dont even see the pin screen flash up.
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good idea. maybe someone can change LS_SimplePinScene_480x800.cpr so that it does not expect the pin from screen but is embedded directly into the cpr file?
can anybody who has a better understanding of cpr files or the lock app give us some tips?
xternal said:
Not sure if this is at all possible as im not a programmer. Just a thought
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me neither

Wierd message cancel thing

Hi there just wondering if anyone had/has this problem and knows how to fix it. Basically when i go to reply to a text message by clicking on it (from inside TouchFlo) the keyboard appears, then dissapears. When i click on the box to type, the keyboard comes up, then jumps back down. I have to press the 'Keyboard' button when the keyboard is down (to bring it up) then type somthing (which doesn't appear) and then press space...to even start typing anything. It's really odd, i've tried re-flashing both stock and a few other ROM's...same wierd problem...anyone?
THANKS!

I also have the same problem. If i double tap a message from within touchflo there is no problem but if i tap it once i have the keyboard problem. It has been bugging me for a while as well! Although it's not major, if anyone has a fix it would be much appreciated.

haha it's really annoying the double clicking things doesnt work for me...anyone got a fix? also what rom are you running? thanks

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talking to some of my friends, i've realised that this happens on general windows mobile, not just this phone, therefore i will re-post in order to gain more publicity. Thanks

Fortunately for me, everything is working fine, as in the manuals, even after using this set for over a year now. When I click "reply" from within TF, it automatically gives a text/message typing area and a keyboard area at the bottom half which stays there. I can drop the keyboard down (and up) by tapping (once) the keyboard icon at the bottom centre. no problem.

ha! it's lucky for some! What ROM are you using? Thanks

drakhra said:
ha! it's lucky for some! What ROM are you using? Thanks
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Stock ROM ver: 1.40.707.2 (21259) date 24/10/08

hi just wondering if anyone has managed to fix this, it is getting REALLY annoying now ahha thanks

problem with finger keyboard

hey
i installed finger keyboard
and it really is very nice
but sometimes i have a problem with
sometimes when i want to write a message or bring up the keyboard to scroll with the direction it doesn't appear and seems to be stuck
and then i have to rebbot the phone for it to work
any thoughts , solutions ?

Hello,
If you are having this problem in particular when you are writing SMS then it might well be linked to the SMS problem already talked about exhaustively on here. There is a partial solution for this in the Hints & Tips thread.
If it's not that then it might just be worth your while reinstalling finger keyboard and see if that helps. Another alternative might be to install the Swype keyboard (works well on my device) and see if that solves the problem.
Work through this step by step and see if any of the suggestions help.
Cheers
WB

well it's not just in the SMS
it also happened in the file browser when i wanted to scroll down with keyboard keys
i did reinstall it , so it seems it didn't help
as for the swipe keyboard
that's a problem since i need hebrew in my keyboard
btw an unrelated question
i saw in the tips thread that many times you need to change the registry keys
how do i do that in this device ?
thanks

I had problems typing the good letters on the keyboard. Always a bit out of line it seemd. Then i Aligned my screen again, and now its working much better. Maybe give it a try, it improved my typingspeed.
Kor

kor kuiper said:
I had problems typing the good letters on the keyboard. Always a bit out of line it seemd. Then i Aligned my screen again, and now its working much better. Maybe give it a try, it improved my typingspeed.
Kor
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How do you align your screen?
Also, I keep reading threads about different keyboards, is that just down to personal preference or do some really work better than others? I've not had a problem with the one that's already on the HD2 to be honest,

Look here
settingstab, then push menu , extra`s(more), system, screen.
There you can align your screen by pushing 5 positions on your screen
Grtz
kor

kor kuiper said:
Look here
settingstab, then push menu , extra`s(more), system, screen.
There you can align your screen by pushing 5 positions on your screen
Grtz
kor
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i don't actually have problems with the typing part
i'll try to explain
when you go to the sms section or filer browser you can see the finger keyboard logo in middle-bottom of the screen
and if you want to use it , you press that logo\button and the keyboard comes up
well sometimes no matter how much time you press ( or where )
it doesn't come up

Ok , a different problem.
A litle thing i sometimes try.
Because the screen is capacitive, when i don`t get a knob to work i wet my finger a litle bit. My skin is normaly dry. When it is "wetter" is seems to react better.
There is a thread about the keyboards sensitivity that could solve that issue.
After BSBTweaks 1.6 i don`t have problems.
With sms install the latest htc patch, it speeds up things in sms, where it looks the screen doesnt react but`it was the progres in the background stil runnning...
Just try, doesn`t cos anything
kk

kor kuiper said:
Ok , a different problem.
A litle thing i sometimes try.
Because the screen is capacitive, when i don`t get a knob to work i wet my finger a litle bit. My skin is normaly dry. When it is "wetter" is seems to react better.
There is a thread about the keyboards sensitivity that could solve that issue.
After BSBTweaks 1.6 i don`t have problems.
With sms install the latest htc patch, it speeds up things in sms, where it looks the screen doesnt react but`it was the progres in the background stil runnning...
Just try, doesn`t cos anything
kk
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sorry for the late response
right now everything seems to be ok , the keyboard works fine
i did find some other problem in it though
i have 2 languages in it : hebrew and english
now when i press the lng button it does switch between the 2 of them
however it doesnt switch to digits
if i go to the finger settings and switch the lng button from nextlayout/digits to digits/nextlayout then when i press lng button it switches from one of the languages to digits but not to the second language

Master-D said:
sorry for the late response
right now everything seems to be ok , the keyboard works fine
i did find some other problem in it though
i have 2 languages in it : hebrew and english
now when i press the lng button it does switch between the 2 of them
however it doesnt switch to digits
if i go to the finger settings and switch the lng button from nextlayout/digits to digits/nextlayout then when i press lng button it switches from one of the languages to digits but not to the second language
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anyone ? ...............

Master-D said:
anyone ? ...............
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Not that one.
I've got a different one, that's, when switching to the second language, the vertical space between rows increases, and the half bottom part of the lower character row dissapears. Using Eng and Spa.
It's just me?
Regards.

[SOLVED] Htc hd2 keyboard arrow icon DELAY

this arrow icon (near the keyboard once) is really hard to press,
although the main problem is when you press it, it takes 3-4 seconds to open the sip menu!!
i really need to get rid of this horrible delay, as i use this button very often to change languages.
so, is there a tweak or a replacement like long press the keyboard icon?
i dont wanna install external keyboard cus i hate them....
so, registry change or something would be nice.
stock rom-1.66wwe.
thanks in advance.

eeeeeee said:
this arrow icon (near the keyboard once) is really hard to press,
although the main problem is when you press it, it takes 3-4 seconds to open the sip menu!!
i really need to get rid of this horrible delay, as i use this button very often to change languages.
so, is there a tweak or a replacement like long press the keyboard icon?
i dont wanna install external keyboard cus i hate them....
so, registry change or something would be nice.
stock rom-1.66wwe.
thanks in advance.
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Hey
to sort the delay look in HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT find CLSID reg/folder export it to my documents or sd card (doesnt matter where) then import it back & soft reset.
as for the arrow i find it helps to press just slightly to the right of the arrow instead of aiming directly for it.
hope it helps.

wow the solution makes no sense but it worked like a charm.
i would be glad to know what caused the problem and etc..

eeeeeee said:
wow the solution makes no sense but it worked like a charm.
i would be glad to know what caused the problem and etc..
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Sorry, no idea on the cause of the problem, its just a tip i remember from a few years back on my old tytn, i did notice the delay would happen mostly after installing/ trying new keyboards.