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Upgraded to the new 1.60 ROM hoping to cure this annoying problem but if anything its worse.
I turn the phone off and within 5 minutes its turned itself back on for no apparent reason. No notifications or anything. Cant be doing my battery life any good if it keeps switching on
Any ideas?
That may be something to do with the way that ActiveSync is set up.
I've had this kind of problem in the past and found that by killing activesync by using a task manager of some variety and changing my 'network' settings that the problem goes away
Please excuse me, im quite a newbie at this xda malarky. My xda also turns its self on randomly since installing 2003. you said change your network settings. How and what do you change them to? I made sure that activsync is turned off, but it doesnt make much difference either way.
cheers
I have experienced the same...
And, I've been on multiple ROM's with no avail.
I'm not sure anyone has ever found a solution.
My activesync is turned off, but the damned thing keeps turning on. Its sitting in the cradle at present and it turns on every 3-4 minutes!!!
It is Active Sync
I had this problem with my charger in the car. It is not sufficient to kill the Activesync. You would have to go to the options in the Activesyn menu, go to the new options button in the PC tab (the first one) and there disable the box with the name "Enable PC sync using this connection". This you will have to enable each time you want to sync via the cradle. I don't have the problem in the original cradle, it is only with the thirdparty car charger. I sync via IR or bluetooth and that is always available via the menu in Active Sync.
Good luck!
Johan
ActiveSync i can understand when its in the cradle but currently its sitting on my desk and still turning on at random intervals sometimes 30 secs after i switch it off!!!
Signal strength maybe?
I have same problem, happens mostly in car but not exclusively.
I get the feeling that it's related to the cellular signal strength and the device loosing or regaining the GSM connection.
San Francisco has several zero or almost zero coverage areas so it's not unusual for a phone to loose and then regain a connection while driving or walking.
I would love this device if it worked as expected but at this moment it is the source of endless frustration.
im also having these problems they are head doing never used to turn itself on as soon as i hard reset it just started to do this now and its annoying me so much
Im also having these problems . I find a solution using registry cleaner of pocket mechanic.
Bye
Guys, Check the setting of the ActivSync, most probably you will find a schedule for synchronization is set every certain time. So, you have to switch it to Manual Sync.
I think this should soulve your problem.
Sprite Backup
I too had this problem. For some reason the enabling Sprite Backup battery monitoring and Scheduled Backups caused this. try turning these features off if you have it installed.
I have same problem, its really anoying, have not found a way to stop auto connection even after changing some setting on my computer Activesync & XDAii activesync. I'm guessing theres no way to stop it.
Is there an active sync update available? I'm using 3.7 (build 3083)
For those whose unit turns on by itself, please check:
From your PPC:
Start > ActiveSync > Tools> Options > Mobile Schedule
Make sure all 3 options are set to "Manually".
From your Desktop PC ActiveSync:
Tools > Options > Schedule
Make sure every active options are set to "Manually" as well.
You can manually sync but Activesync still keeps "looking for changes"
I need for help plsssss
if some body plsssss attch the last eddition of xda2nbftools because I am living in Saudi Arabia, and the web site to can download this file is BLOCKED here in Saudi Arabia, they are blocking web sites here then u can't open it at all and no way to can download it unless if it attached here in this forum
Here is it:
Same for me too,
Mine can turn itself on almost as soon as i turn it off, its a running battle to get it to turn off and i very rarely win, I have accepted the fact that mine will stay on most of the time now and have a second battery to help me through the day,
I checked all my settings and all mobile schedule settings were on manual and all the active options are set to manual too, so it wasnt those settings causing the problem,
I cant believe the lack of support that O2 are providing, if this was an HP handheld there would have been a fix for each problem as it cropped up within a week as they have done with each of their handhelds
do the people experiancing turn ons have a card in the Sd slot? i do but i notice when the device is off...... put a sd card in and the device turns itself on i only started to notice it turning on when i got my SD card i might take it out tonight and try then?
Yup, i have a card in the slot all the time, took it out for a few hours this morning and it was no different, still kept turning itself on,
I looked a bit deeper into it this morning too,
It seems that i use it, turn it off and it turns back on 13 seconds later, i turn it off again and it turns itself back on again 13 seconds later, so i try to turn it off and the power button has no effect, i have to press it twice to turn it off, then it seems to stay off for at least 30 minutes before going through the exact same sequence again,
I will list all my installed programs a bit later when i have more time, hopefully everone else can do the same (whether you have the problem or not) then we can see if there's a common program that is on all the XDA2's that might be making them turn on and see if its absent from the XDA2's that are fine
So, after diggin' for long time in registry on Pocket PC 2002 ROMs I've found nice feature - HKLM\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\Power\
(may vary cause this is from 2003 ROM, for now I have but was like this and works on 2002), has value WakeUpPowerOff = 180 (by default).
This value (in seconds) determines, how long device will be on after:
1. power on by "power" button (and no other activity - no taps, no any hardware buttons pressing) - it userful for example to see "what's on
today", time, etc...
2. power on by incoming event like SMS or calendar one.
And after you touch screen\ other button - then as I found starts another, "original" timer, defined in Start->Settings->System->Power.
I've set above WakeUp parameter to WakeUpPowerOff = 12 (smallest that works really at mine device) and what I got? This:
When I need to look into today's or time or missed calls etc - I just press power look at screen and devices turns iself off byself. Not great effort but - heh - longer live for power button
But this is more important: When incomes SMS (I have gate from internet inbox to sms so have a lot of smses) - devices comes on only for 12 secs - for day it increases significantly battery life. (aha - 180sec and 12sec - differs!) (etc...). So we can set auto Off timer for 1 minute and work in normal mode (when we tap or read something, smaller is not so much siutable), but with this WakeUp timer also when we don't use device we get very small time to byself on\off-ing and longer battery life.
But after appearing 2003 in my wallaby and then after bying himalaya I have changed this parameter with no effect.
Now I find solution!
We need to change one more parameter in that registry subdirectory named:
DisableGwesPowerOff=1 by defalut. Simpy set it to 0.
And now on my XDA II (and on XDA I with 2003) this hacks works.
I think this will be userful for our XDA community. Thanks for paying attention for this text.
Hey, that is a very, very cool hack! I have always been annoyed when my XDA2 is in my pocket and I receive an SMS when I can't reply. During the 2 minutes before it switches itself off I find that the screen gets pressed a lot in my pocket with sometimes disastrous results.
This hack seems to have no side-effects at all. The XDA2 stays switched on in the cradle and changing the Power-off-on-battery setting doesn't reset this auto-off timer.
I dare to suggest even that it is perfect! Thank you very much nugged.
Thank you realy love this one :idea:
Works fine with 5sec off on XDAII.
goodluck
2 SiliconS: That's some kind of pleasure to share with info and to help.
2 eme: 5 sec? hmm... Ah! I think I have bigger lag cause I have setted up password protection and maybe it needs some time to initialize after on/before off... You haven't password protection on?
Anyway - it's works.
I've just had a thought: does this hack affect the alarms and appointment notifications? Does the machine turn itself off after 12 seconds and stop the alarm working? That might be a problem for some people if so. I can't test at the moment - my wife is asleep
Edit:
Just tested, quietly . It does affect the alarm. I set a repeating alarm. The machine turned on, sounded the alarm once and then switched off. When I turned it on again a few seconds later it sounded a repeat.
I think this hack is excellent if you don't use your XDA2 for alarms or notifications. Otherwise it might cause problems. :?
@nugged:
every PocketPC turns itself automatically on at midnight, to perform some magic regarding alarms etc. It is a known problem that sometimes it turns off too soon again, before having finished its work. There are even programs to make this time-out longer. Question: does you hack also affect this time-out, or is it something completely unrelated?
Cheers
Daniel
2 tadzio: Mine never do this. What "reorganization"? Mine works fine, don't miss any appointments and haven't midnight magic power-ons ...
2 SiliconS: Yes, so that's maybe who need to have long alarms install additional soft and\or set up time longer, smth like 15 seconds.
As for me - yes, I use mine device lot of time so it often in mine hands and at my eyes so I don't need long alarms.
Lets explore info above (at 1st post) here more deeply maybe someone find solution for short WakeUpPowerOff time and working long alarms if needed.
Put down the pipe!!
What are you guys on, hacking the on time? I must be really confused... what about just using the power settings to turn of backlight after 10 seconds and power off if not used for 1 minute?
That's all I ever do and mine lasts easily through a weekend with a few hours of talk time and checking my e-mail at least 20 times.
2 wayandrs: That's your decision If you satisfied with that standard system - good . Anyway - it's not an order - it's just advice
Look - when you setup to run your backlight off after 10 seconds - try to work normally then .
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2 tadzio: Mine never do this.
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Yes, it does. You just don't see it because it's only a partial power-up: the display does not get switched on.
The OS needs to clean up appointments, and set alarms for the new day. Most of the time it succeeds, but sometimes the device powers off automatically before the OS could finish, resulting in alarms not going off. This is what tools like "Wakeup Tweak" are for - they just extend the time-out until the device powers down again.
Also, zendrui (the PocketZenPhone author) had a lot of... umm... fun with this feature when users configured PocketZenPhone to automatically switch modes at midnight. Ask him, I think he knows a lot more about this than he ever wanted to know.
Cheers
Daniel
I miss the old 2003 future and wish SMS dose not turn IMATE-II on..
hope some body listen there and give a soltion. it was built in before some bodies complain about it.
2 eme: 5 sec? hmm... Ah! I think I have bigger lag cause I have setted up password protection and maybe it needs some time to initialize after on/before off... You haven't password protection on?
Yes, no password protection.
Btw I managed to connect over BT to Linux machine and have acces to local net and web. That 's nothing ok. But managed also to use device cca
100m+ away form my BT acces point. Just put USB dongle on extended
cable and if possible outside of your room. My is on the attic.
Think, PC makes som interference to BT rx for sure. If anybody interesting
on this can write som more..
goodluck
2 eme: after setting this hack do you have some troubles with 'midnight self turning-ONs of device with turned off display and some reogranization' as tadzio has?
2 tadzio: so, device turning itself on withot turning on display? Sounds very interesting. Anyway - we can say so our devices stays on every time even turned off by the key, they only slowing down processor and turning off display and some hardware, cause they need to refresh SDRAM memory, to track and remember appointments to wake up at needed time, etc.
And, anyway, if this 'midnight ONs' are have place, if they are not turning on display - ppc works in another mode and I think this registry value is not related to them. But this - for me - is very strange information.
Please, Daniel, give detailed info/links, if you know this question good or don't bewilder other peoples, who read this topic.
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2 eme: after setting this hack do you have some troubles with 'midnight self turning-ONs of device with turned off display and some reogranization' as tadzio has?
I do not have any appointments stored in my device.
Cant wait for Linux to run on it with graphical enviromet.
Than we can all forget this misterious M$ hacks.
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eme said:
nugged said:
2 eme: after setting this hack do you have some troubles with 'midnight self turning-ONs of device with turned off display and some reogranization' as tadzio has?
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Oh, I didn't mean to say that I have any problems. In fact, before I apply this hack I wanted to make sure that it will likely not cause any problems, that's why I asked if the author knows about any possible interaction between the midnight wakeup and his hack. I would suspect there is none, but I am not sure.
Cheers
Daniel
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Please, Daniel, give detailed info/links, if you know this question good or don't bewilder other peoples, who read this topic.
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Here is more information about this: http://www.mtekk.com.au/browse/page826.html
Cheers
Daniel
problem need help
Alrite i tried with a 12. It works well. As expected, but things happen when my phone rings, with a long rintone i have, it got cut off and then it went back to standby mode, making the call still ringing behind the background, after a while it was turn on again. It annoying when i cannot hear the first part of the ring. I end up not picking up importants calls... Anyway to help this desperado? ow i want to change back but its like the same...
I know the thread title says enough but I'm going to elaborate on what I am looking for.
I am looking for a looking for a lock program with password protection similar to the one that comes on our Wizards, but without the timed lock. I want it to only lock my device when it is turned back on from sleep mode and no other time. Basically I only want to have to type a password in when the screen is turned back on and not again until I turn the screen back on again.
Does anyone know of a program with this kind of functionality? I really need this because unfortunately, I still live with my parent and my Mom likes to go through my phone and look at all my personal data like call logs and SMS. It's become a nuisance and I really want to do something about it.
Thanks in advance guys.
Dan.
What's wrong with the time out one? I think if you were to do a 0 seconds of the built in password thingy, you can have it ask for a password every time you switch it on.
The built in one will only ask you password if your phone is not used for a certain period of time. the time out function is basically from the backlight and battery time out, nothing to do with the passwor.d
hanmin said:
What's wrong with the time out one? I think if you were to do a 0 seconds of the built in password thingy, you can have it ask for a password every time you switch it on.
The built in one will only ask you password if your phone is not used for a certain period of time. the time out function is basically from the backlight and battery time out, nothing to do with the passwor.d
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Well the problem with the built in lock function is that it will lock the phone after so many seconds even if the backlight is still on and it gets annoying when I'm doing something but get sidetracked for a few seconds and then come back and have to type in the code to unlock it again, even though it never left my hand in the first place. I'll play with it a bit and see what can be done with it but from what I have seen so far, I don't really like it.
I'm pretty sure it is based on you switching off (suspend) the phone or the phone switch (suspend) off itself, because the option is "0 minutes". It can't have the phone locked after it us unused for 0 minutes.
hanmin said:
I'm pretty sure it is based on you switching off (suspend) the phone or the phone switch (suspend) off itself, because the option is "0 minutes". It can't have the phone locked after it us unused for 0 minutes.
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Heh... It worked. Thanks. If I set the backlight and power options to never turn off display then it will never lock the device but once I press the power button to turn off the screen then it automatically locks the device so that you have to type in the password before you can resume playing around with the phone.
Thanks again. I had never tried that option before.
Dan.
Well it's been an eventful month
Lost old faithful (700wx), bought an 800w just returned it due to keyboard issues, got a treo pro this morning.
Got my pro activated this morning, which seems to be very nice.
But of course things were going too well... lol
I have an IM app that I keep running along with some email apps.
They maintain a connection and notify me about messages.
As soon as the screen turns off, the data cuts out and doesn't kick in again until I turn the phone back on.
I tried Wifi the same thing happens.
Does anyone know how to get around this?
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Another related topic. The programs in question normally run in the background. When I hit the "X" they should keep running in the background like they did on my other two treo's. On this guy when I hit that X on either app it completely exits.
Is this some kind of OS configuration I need to change?
Thanks,
Kenny
Well I figured out the "X"
Still can't get the data connection to stay on though
Well I found diamond tweak that always keeps the connection on so that'll work.
Can you share the reg change plz? I'd like to do the same while slinging wifi
There is a program called "advance configuration tool" that has a setting to keep wifi on while the screen turns off. Download it and give it a try, the setting is kind of hidden, once you install go to the bottom right softkey and seach for it there. I do not remember exactly where it is but you could google it and you will surely find it.
That works with Wifi connection, should works with dataconnection
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Contro l\Power\State\Suspend\{98C5250D-C29A-4985-AE5F-AFE5367E5006}
-change (Default) DWORD Dec to 1
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Contro l\Power\State\Resuming\{98C5250D-C29A-4985-AE5F-AFE5367E5006}
-change (Default) DWORD Dec to 1
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Contro l\Power\State\Unattended\{98C5250D-C29A-4985-AE5F-AFE5367E5006}
-change (Default) DWORD Dec to 1
^^ Awesome thanks for posting the individual reg changes!
I don't use Advance Config Tool because it messes with some of my reg changes I made so everytime I open/close ACT it changes some stuff and I have to go back and reset them in the reg...
I have the problem that the device does not check my email account. Do I understand it correctly, that no data sessions are active in sleep mode? No GPRS (or above)?!
What's that for a config? You buy a phone where you can set up your mail account to check every 10 minutes your email account but in 99% of the time the phone is in sleep mode and therefore does not check mails...?!
Please say that's not the reason for my problem...
Would these work to keep the GPS alive when I lock the keyboard. I want to turn on GPSTuner and toss the Treo Pro in my pocket. So far my choices are a) leave it unlocked and risk making an unintended call from the trail or b) locking the device using "keylock" and then the GPS shuts down so the GPS does not record my hike.
Is there a way to keep the GPS alive while Keylock is engaged?
The three registry changes did not keep the GPS active when Keyguard was engaged. Shucks. So again...
Is there any way to keep the GPS alive while Keylock is engaged? Thanks.
dbsoundz said:
I have the problem that the device does not check my email account. Do I understand it correctly, that no data sessions are active in sleep mode? No GPRS (or above)?!
What's that for a config? You buy a phone where you can set up your mail account to check every 10 minutes your email account but in 99% of the time the phone is in sleep mode and therefore does not check mails...?!
Please say that's not the reason for my problem...
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Is this a problem with all treo pro devices?! Also flexmail does not check mails regularly... The programm is also configured not to close while pushing X...
This is really a really big bug... This phone is almost not usable...
I noticed this article regardin setting up an email account:
http://kb.palm.com/wps/portal/kb/common/article/32429_en.html
Last sentence is:
IMPORTANT: The device power-off timer is reset each time you synchronize. If your sync interval is shorter than the power-off interval, your smartphone doesn't turn off.
If I do understand it correctly that means: power of = no email checking...
this works at any damn phone... such a "feature" is really inappropriate.
dbsoundz said:
I noticed this article regardin setting up an email account:
http://kb.palm.com/wps/portal/kb/common/article/32429_en.html
Last sentence is:
IMPORTANT: The device power-off timer is reset each time you synchronize. If your sync interval is shorter than the power-off interval, your smartphone doesn't turn off.
If I do understand it correctly that means: power of = no email checking...
this works at any damn phone... such a "feature" is really inappropriate.
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No. Let me give you an example. Let's say your phone is set to blank out in 5 minutes. You set your email sync time to 4 minutes. After 4 minutes, your phone polls for new mail. At the same time, the phone resets the power down timer for another 5 minutes. So, by the phone continually resetting the power off for one minute longer than the mail sync time, it never powers down. And, because of that, drains the battery quicker. They're not telling you this is a "feature". They're warning you that this setup is a battery drainer -- better to lose some automatic mail syncing than lose phone power before the end of the day.
Hello kraski,
I think you mistaken me a little.
Problem is in one sentence summarized: scheduled Mail receiving does not work with Palm Treo unless you make above written steps to prevent the phone from going to standby, (most) other WM phones receive mails while in standby...
-> Where is the point to make such a "feature"? In standby the phone also receives phone calls! And SMS... And such an internet phone has to check mails also in standby, w/o discussion or not?!
Getting a bit tired of this now so I'm tempted to try doing something about it, but I'm not sure what.
Non of the auto updates on my phone appear to work correctly and every time I want new data I have to manually tell each program to refresh/update etc. The manual procedures work no problem.
It's really annoying and wastes time having to do that when you should be able to open an app and have everything up to date.
Examples of what I mean are RSS feeds, Weather programs etc. . It puts me off using certain apps.
Is there any common reason for things that might cause this? I'm using an "Energy rom WWE" and am wondering if this might be rom related, although I have a vague recollection that this was also the case on the standard rom as I can remember having to manually update TF3 weather every time I used it, despite setting it to auto.
The phone always has a good GPRS/EDGE connection (my provider has no 3G ), although what I noticed a while ago was that my data connection would sometimes not work so I now have a scheduled automatic reboot every night.
I don't think the problem is related and I've not had connection problems since then, but regardless of this the auto updates never seem to work.
I'd LOVE all this stuff to be updating automatically as it is all set to do, but no idea why it doesn't do this.
Any ideas? Thanks!
Jim
Jim...1)does your data connection stay active in standby? Also 2) Check this registry setting HKLM\Software\HTC\HTCMSgEnhancement\Overlay Transition and see if the dword is 0 or 1. If 0 change to 1. It's a long shot that may not make much sense, but worth a try.
Thanks for the suggestion Sean - will check it out.
What exactly is that registry setting for?
And silly question maybe - but how can I tell if it's keeping the connection active if it's in standby?
Hmmm, been in the registry and I'm uncertain about this.
I don't actually seem to have this registry path:
HKLM\Software\HTC\HTCMSgEnhancement\Overlay Transition
Instead it has:
HKLM\Software\HTC\HTCMSgEnhance\
And none of the folders inside it seem to correspond with the overlay transition setting.
On the other hand there is a folder for:
HKLM\Software\HTC\Overlay Transition
This has three REG_DWORD settings (Interval/TotalFrame/WaitTime), and a default that has not been set to anything.
Hope that makes sense?
The registry setting is actually what controls how email fades in and out when you're swiping left or right between emails. Some chefs turn the overlay off which turns the fade transition off and makes swiping between emails almost instant. I use to turn it off, but each time I messed with that reg setting, my data connection would freeze up after or during an auto update. The only way to fix it was a softreset. When I would turn the transition back on, the problem would go away. Why? Not sure. That's why I said checking that reg may make zero sense, but it might be a factor.
To check if your data stays on in standby: establish a data connection and put your phone in standby (screenoff). After a bit, turn the screen back on and see if you still have a small "E" over the signal bars. You can also check the notification manager by pressing the top bar. See if a timer is going and how many hours, minutes and seconds it's been going. Or, and this may be better for testing purposes, go into sounds and notifications, set a sound for data connection established and a sound for data disconnected. Then start a data connection and you should hear the connected sound. Then put the phone in standby you will either hear the data disonnect sound or nothing at all. If you hear nothing at all, then your data is staying alive in stanby.
Edit: oops I didn't see your post above this one. See my response below.
Which Energy Rom version are you using? The second reg settting is what controls the speed of the fade in and out email transition. If you don't have the other setting then my second suggestion is not the problem. So see if your data stays active in stanby. If it disconnects then that would certainly be one good explanation for your apps not updating.
Thanks for such an informative reply - very helpful.
Yes, checked the data connection and it still shows edge there (ove 8 hours worth) so I guess that's not the issue.
The odd thing was that after posting this thread my RSS feeds actually did auto update today! BUT, my weather apps haven't, so it's a fluke I think.
Rom name is Energy ROM WWE 29/07/2009, Protocol 52.64.25.34U, Radio 1.14.25.24