I am not able to grasp the difference between Hard reset and clearing the storage using settings>System>clear storage?
They are one in the same. From the HTC website:
Hard (Factory) Reset: Select Start > Settings > System > Clear Storage. Type 1234 in the box and tap Yes. Note: This will erase all information on the device and restore it to factory setting.
does factory settings means it will remove all the programs or other features provided by service provider also?
It removes everything, but then immediately goes into the original boot up, where you have to align the screen, put in the date/time region etc, and then if you have (like me) T-mobile Vario II, then the T-mobile install starts and puts in exactly what it put in the first time. I assume Vodafone, Orange etc work in the same way.
In my opinion there's a big difference between hard reset and clear storage: with a hard reset, all personal files like contacts, e-mail and calendar remain on your device, including program certificates. With a clear storage all these files are really cleared, in fact everything's gone... (except for your storage card offcourse).
pietrucci;1092683 said:
In my opinion there's a big difference between hard reset and clear storage: with a hard reset, all personal files like contacts, e-mail and calendar remain on your device, including program certificates. With a clear storage all these files are really cleared, in fact everything's gone... (except for your storage card offcourse).
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Umm not sure what type of "hard reset" you do, but your contacts etc will not remain on the device.
Hard Reset = Clear Storage = return to factory settings
Soft vs. Hard reset
pietrucci said:
In my opinion there's a big difference between hard reset and clear storage: with a hard reset, all personal files like contacts, e-mail and calendar remain on your device, including program certificates. With a clear storage all these files are really cleared, in fact everything's gone... (except for your storage card offcourse).
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Looks like there is some confusion between hard reset and soft reset. Soft reset (only inserting the stylus in the soft reset hole in the base of the device) will keep all data but restart Windows Mobile. Hard reset (inserting the stylus in the soft reset hole while holding down two soft buttons) will clear ALL data and return the device to factory default settings (plus OEM customisations).
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Looks like there is some confusion between hard reset and soft reset. Soft reset (only inserting the stylus in the soft reset hole in the base of the device) will keep all data but restart Windows Mobile. Hard reset (inserting the stylus in the soft reset hole while holding down two soft buttons) will clear ALL data and return the device to factory default settings (plus OEM customisations).
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Indeed, I was wrong: with a hardreset also the personal files like contacts, calendar are cleared. I was strongly unter the impression that they remained...
But I'm quite sure after doing a Clear memory once, I couldn't restore my backup because some of my program certificates were gone... And after a normal hardreset restore is never a problem.
It could be an incident or is there more???
I've noticed that when you want to do a restore it is best to do a hard reset first. There always seems to be a few problems when you are trying to restore without performing a hard reset.
pietrucci said:
Indeed, I was wrong: with a hardreset also the personal files like contacts, calendar are cleared. I was strongly unter the impression that they remained...
But I'm quite sure after doing a Clear memory once, I couldn't restore my backup because some of my program certificates were gone... And after a normal hardreset restore is never a problem.
It could be an incident or is there more???
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Reopening this matter: I discovered that after a hardreset the content of the map My documents on the device stays intact! Maybe more maps/files???
Clear Storage
pietrucci said:
Indeed, I was wrong: with a hardreset also the personal files like contacts, calendar are cleared. I was strongly unter the impression that they remained...
But I'm quite sure after doing a Clear memory once, I couldn't restore my backup because some of my program certificates were gone... And after a normal hardreset restore is never a problem.
It could be an incident or is there more???
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Possibly, Clear Storage does not initiate the OEM customisation of the device like the hard reset does (which may mean some required files are missing). Can't say for sure unfortunately as I have never used Clear Storage before only the hard reset.
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I've noticed that when you want to do a restore it is best to do a hard reset first. There always seems to be a few problems when you are trying to restore without performing a hard reset.
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Agreed! I have had problems before when restoring from Sprite backups without first performing a hard reset.
how can i make hard reset ? i have htc tytn
thx
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Bought a 2nd hand Compact and was trying to back up my contacts to permanent storage in case I'm away and the battery dies. Checked all the boxes and all that happened is a load of contacts (hundreds) from obviously the previos owners backup spewed out and it took me like an hour to remove them all. This guy had contacts in every country in the damn world !
Is it possible to erase his contacts he has stored, obviously if I want to restore in the future I don't want his.
How can I make it save mine instead of restoring his ?
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Bought a 2nd hand Compact and was trying to back up my contacts to permanent storage in case I'm away and the battery dies. Checked all the boxes and all that happened is a load of contacts (hundreds) from obviously the previos owners backup spewed out and it took me like an hour to remove them all. This guy had contacts in every country in the damn world !
Is it possible to erase his contacts he has stored, obviously if I want to restore in the future I don't want his.
How can I make it save mine instead of restoring his ?
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I think that when you turn permanent storage off and then back on, it overwrites the permanant storage contents with the current RAM contents.
If it works the same as on Himalaya you have to do more than just tigling the check-boxes:
Uncheck all boxes
Move the '#flashman.lnk' files (the # stands for A, C, N, T) from \windows\startup . Note that the name varies between devices/Windows versions, but should refer to 'flash' or 'permanent'. (need RESCO Explorer for this)
Soft reset
Delete the PerSaveBackup folder from 'Storage'
Move the '#flashman.lnk' files back to \windows\startup
Soft reset
Check all appropiate boxes
Youre done
Thanks for the help guys.
what did the trick?
Dunno, have no idea how to do either of these things.
I'd say get Sprite Backup. It's easy to use & backups\restores only your pim dara (& more).
I had a rom-upgrade & before it I used perm.save, tried it again after reading your post & can't find any old data. An upgrade probably wipes the data, take a good look at the rom-layout in the wiki, maybe it explains whether my theory is correct.
perm.save claimed that all data was removed after unchecking the boxes, difficult to find out without hard-reset, which I'm unwilling to do at the moment.
Regards, M
Permanent save works very good, and youll never miss a contact/apointment or whatever. It is a good addition to backups.
It is a pain in the ass when the storage gets corrupted (which happened to several people.
SPB backup's automatic backup feature is very useful -- it backups up everynight and keeps only the 3 most recent ones-- but lately it has begun looping. That is, when the system comes back from reseting, the automatic starts again. Has anyone else experienced this? The symptom is that it hangs in startup after the automatic reset, and if you then reset using the stylus-in-the-hole, it starts the backup a second time.
The backup is completed successfully, so that isn't the problem.
I do have skschema running, but it automatically runs things hours after than my backup is set for.
You probably have a duplicate notification queue problem. Use the attached program to clear duplicate notifications - in settings tick both boxes. If it still does not clear up - use sktools better for stubborn notification problems. And if still no joy try uninstall and reinstall.
Thanks, but
Memmaid said no duplicates, and more importantly, only the one spbbackuprunner notification.
I run spb backup and have not had a problem - perhaps it is clashing with your other problem, try disabling skschema if possible. Have you tried a reinstall of backup with manually removing any lnk's registry keys etc... before reinstall.
I run SPB backup off the miniSD. It survived a hard reset without needing a reinstall, remarkably. So the only SPB Backup item appearing in windows is the backup runner that starts the automated backup.
I don't want to disable SK schema for the following reason. SPB Backup performs a soft reset, and when it does, the icons for programs that are on the minisd card don't appear in the PHM Traylaunch, I think because the miniSD isn't yet available at the time that the "run on reset" programs are run. So I have SKschema run the PHM Traylaunch a bit later.
The thing that is peculiar is that SPB backup completes a backup successfully; it just launches itself again afterward. I have it set to run at 1AM, and about 80% of the time, that is what it does: run, perform a soft reset, and stop. The other days, it launches again before the soft reset is complete (e.g. before the today screen appears). It is as if the time is wrong as the device comes out of the soft reset, telling it to restart.
The backups, even when it makes more than one (canceling prevents this, however) actually work; I did a hard reset one of the times as it came out (before I understood that it was actually launching a backup) and the backup copies restored perfectly.
Hi, I tried the same after a hard reset and had spb backup running from my storage card but did not seem to run that well, so it is now on main memory and runs perfectly. Secondly what rom are you using? because when i upgraded to aku2 the refresh problem with phm traylaunch has gone and icons from programs on the storage card always show up.
Good to know
I'm using the regular T-Mobile USA ROM; I haven't gotten around to upgrading. But it is good to know that the new ROM will likely fix that (and other) problems.
I have a new idea which might be related to the problem. spb backup often doesn't start if the MDA is turned off; I have to remember to leave it on to reliably create a backup. I think the backup repeating problem only arises when the MDA is off, which may cause spb backup to start late (due to the usual timer wakeup problem).
The other thing that SK Schema does for me is to create a one-click program to first erase the deleted mails, then check mail, thereby eliminating deleted mails from the server.
Thanks for your suggestions!
Alternate solution
I came up with a different solution -- I've set it to not soft reset after a backup, but then perform a soft reset later using skschema.
Actually, does anyone know why spb backup wants to perform a soft reset after the backup? Does this serve any purpose?
I like doing a soft reset, though, because over the course of a day I go from 15MB of free memory to about 7MB, even though nothing else is running, and this way I start the day charged and capable.
Another solution
Another solution is to turn off SPB backup's automatic softreset feature, which I've done, and then configured skschema to later perform a soft reset.
I like having a nightly soft reset, since I have a memory leak somewhere (going from 15M to 7MB over the course of a day), but does it serve any other role?
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I came up with a different solution -- I've set it to not soft reset after a backup, but then perform a soft reset later using skschema.
Actually, does anyone know why spb backup wants to perform a soft reset after the backup? Does this serve any purpose?
I like doing a soft reset, though, because over the course of a day I go from 15MB of free memory to about 7MB, even though nothing else is running, and this way I start the day charged and capable.
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I can find no real benefit with spb backup when it does a soft reset after backup. Glad you got it sorted
Hi, All
Had my touch about 3 weeks, everything has been great till now. Messaging (Email) suddenly stopped working, I can't open my email program, or text. It's just vanished. Any ideas? Tried reboot, (removed battery), even tried to restore with SPB which I installed yesterday and backed up. I'm new to this forum, but I know this is the best around for technical info. Thanks for any help.
Gary
Well, I can't imagine what caused it, but it sounds like you need to do a hard reset. That will get the device back to factory settings. You'll have to reload all of your stuff, first, and you'll want to backup your contacts.
When you're ready, while holding down the green and red buttons (Call and End), push the reset button with your stylus (it takes a bit of dexterity). You should be prompted to do a hard reset, and that should take care of the problem.
As for what caused it, i have no idea. Even if you could fix it somehow, you're still probably better off just reseting everything.
Thanks, Dave,
I guess I figured I would have to do that, but hoped I wouldn't. Between the SPB backup on my data card, and the customizations saved on my PC, I can get it back to where it was. I've spent hours and hours getting this thing exactly the way I wanted it, but that's life....
Gary
Sorry I missed this... may have been able to save you from hard reset. This happened to me once and if I reacall correctly it was an SD card issue. The cause... I had attachments going to the SD and the folder for the inbox disapeared. Why? No clue. Once I copied it back (from a backup) messaging started to work again.
There is another issue where the SD looks like it has been corrupted. All of the folder name look wacky and some are missing. I cant remember the exact sequence of events in my case but since deselecting "When available, use this storage card to store attachments" I have not had seen either problem.
fyi for the future.
Thanks for the info, SHWA311. I will check out that card issue. I did the hard reset, luckily had all my hacks and downloads saved, just took me a couple of hours to re-input my contacts. I tried everything to save them, but my only SPB backup was made after the problem, only didn't realize it.
garpt said:
Thanks for the info, SHWA311. I will check out that card issue. I did the hard reset, luckily had all my hacks and downloads saved, just took me a couple of hours to re-input my contacts. I tried everything to save them, but my only SPB backup was made after the problem, only didn't realize it.
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you didn't have to hard reset... could have just deleted inbox folder on your sd card and mail/text program would start working again. i had the same issue before (as have many others).
Thanks varunb007,
I will file that under my "relax and wait for some more responses" memory bank!~
Gary
Hello everybody.
I've had my HTC Touch2 for about a year. It was my first smarthphone and in the beginning i loved it. After a while, the small screen, windows mobile, and touch not really functioning without a stylus, started to annoy me.
Since a couple of weeks i have a HTC Desire, so now i want to put my Touch2 up for sale. Does anyone know a good (preferably free) utility that completely wipes (overwrites) all the data on the phone? I've tried SecuWipe but it gives me errors after about 15 seconds.
how about hard reset? press up and down volume button and power on.
That will 'delete' the data but not erase it. I don't want my personal data to be retreivable by 3rd party programs.
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Lunatic2 said:
That will 'delete' the data but not erase it..
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whats the difference
The difference is: When you delete data, only the Memory of the deleted Data will be set free. With third Party Soft (maybe) its possible to bring back this data.
When you erase data, it will be destroyed and the Memory will be set free....
Sorry, my English ist not so well but I hope you can understand the explanation
L.J.Silver said:
The difference is: When you delete data, only the Memory of the deleted Data will be set free. With third Party Soft (maybe) its possible to bring back this data.
When you erase data, it will be destroyed and the Memory will be set free....
Sorry, my English ist not so well but I hope you can understand the explanation
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Correct.
When you delete data, basically only the link to the data is removed, but 3rd party programs can easily retreive this.
A proper deletion tool will overwrite all the data a < x > amount of times, depending on how much you have to hide
A hammer. It deleted the data on my old hard drive nicely.
I'm sure I have seen a utility to wipe data on smart phones, just can't remember where. If it comes to me or I find it I'll let you know.
Replace data ?
Why you just don't replace data? make a hard reset and after this fill in you hdd/flash with anything, and repeat this 2-3 times. it's not so complicate. and after this if you really want to know if it's OK just put a 3rd party program an check if you can find something.
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Hi...
I have hd mini, working with opera mini in landscape mode it went in lock! and crashed, so I restarted the phone by pulling out the battery, then got huge fonts in messages and no way to shrink it in text size menu. can any one help me?!
by the way: I'm almost a newbie in hacking.
just back up all your data, images music, everything (use pimbackup for messages) and then hard reset your device - or use clear storage from start menu/settings
that will put your device back to normal but it will delete all your settings etc (ie why you must backup before you do it)
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raving_nanza said:
just back up all your data, images music, everything (use pimbackup for messages) and then hard reset your device - or use clear storage from start menu/settings
that will put your device back to normal but it will delete all your settings etc (ie why you must backup before you do it)
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Thanks for your answer but it's the second time that happens, first time I did as you say(back up with pim, hard reset ....). After two days it happens again! Isn't there anyway to avoid it!!??
try a differant rom