I wrote this post and realized it was too long, here is the summary. If you think you can help, please read the more detailed version about my TyTN issues.
Many thanks guys, SINC.
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Summary:
- Having trouble hearing people with TyTN set on loudest setting.
- Don’t like bluetooth headsets (wear glasses). Speakerphone is not an option due to place of work.
- Is there a program, rom upgrade, tweak or anything anyone can think of to boost the ear piece on the handset?
- Appealing to your compassion and advice. Being financially strapped to begin with, I saved for a long while to make this purchase and I feel like I’ve just wasted my money.
Any Ideas or suggestions?
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Detailed Post:
Hi there. After much deliberation and research I laid my poor P910i to sleep and purchased a TyTN, my first PPC. It was a big choice between the much cheaper and faster Eten M600+, but from reading the Eten forums, the M600+ unit had MAJOR problems as a phone, particularly low caller volume (Difficult to hear caller).
So I bought a TyNT due to the positive reviews and its stability. My problem is this...
I don't have a return policy because I bought it unlocked and through a website as there were no local retailers in Toronto. Upon getting the phone and trying it out, a horrid realization sunk in - the caller volume was much softer than what I’m use to from my P910i. So far, I’ve had MAJOR difficulty hearing people clearly and its driving me nuts. Its almost impossible to have a conversation outdoors and i've look at every setting volume possible on this phone.
I've read someone else’s post about the volume issue here on the forum and he just received snooty remarks about bluetooth headsets, rather than a constructive look into solving this problem via rom upgrade, patch or tweak.
So i want to state this now...I don't like headsets and bluetooth gadgets. I wear glasses and they become fiddly, i lose them and it drive me crazy (trust me 3 bluetooth headsets later). I can't use speakerphone due to my work situation and i also find it a rude distraction to others. So, by comparison....the P910i had clear reception and call back volume..and this unit rates at around 20% of the P910i volume.
I'm hoping that their might be some sort of tweak, or program that uses compression algorithms or something that can boost the volume in the ear piece.
Would any rom upgrade help? I'm afraid to flash anything because basically.. i have no idea what i'm doing... and just incase there is another work around.
These are my roms...
Rom Version: 1.18.255.3
Rom date: 07/22/06
Radio version: 1.03.03.10
Protocol: 32.34.7010.01H
ExtROM: 1.18.255.106
Does anyone know of any issues with this set? Could i just flash the Radio rom to something later? would that help?
I'm really appealing to your compassion and advice. I feel like I’ve just wasted my money and being financially strapped to begin with, I'm feeling like crap and am not enjoying my new purchase - something that i was really looking forward to.
From all the positive reports, the TyTN sounded like a wonderful product and its feature set won me over... I just wish I could resolve this problem and start enjoying my phone.
Thanks very much and look forward to hearing your suggestions and feedback.
Best Regards,
SINC.
my headset is pretty loud and I don't even have it at 70%
but you're not the only one stating low volume, what is your phone number (serial) ? it could be a bad batch,
or try to move the phone around your ear it's a bit bulky you might not be holding it right (sorry but since you said you checked all the volumes that's all I can think of )
Serial..
darky said:
my headset is pretty loud and I don't even have it at 70%
but you're not the only one stating low volume, what is your phone number (serial) ? it could be a bad batch,
or try to move the phone around your ear it's a bit bulky you might not be holding it right (sorry but since you said you checked all the volumes that's all I can think of )
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Hey - thanks for replying....
The serial i have is... :HT636F209476
Do you know which is the bad batch serials?
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What about the radio rom ugrade - thing it would help or would i make the situation worse?
Thanks.
The TyTN I had (before returning it due to touchscreen calibration problem; now waiting for replacement) showed the same behaviour: even when I turned up the volume fully, it was a lot less loud than my trusted old Magician.
I am not sure this is a bug. There was some public discussion about kids damaging their hearing by turning up their MP3 players' volume too much. I think (but I may be wrong) that there is now a legal limit to the volume of such devices, and HTC just followed that regulation.
What you can do, though, is to use a set of these headphones that really plug into your ears (an example would be the Sony MDR-EX71). These indeed cancel out most of the ambient noise when you put them in your ears, so that you should be able to clearly hear people you're on the phone with.
Unfortunately there is no adapter (yet) for the TyTN, so you will have to either cut the original HTC phones behind the microphone box and solder a plug to the ends, or (that's what I did) unsolder the original earbuds from the microphone box, then cut and solder the earbuds of the newly bought earphones.
Btw, although it's a bit of a hassle (the soldering), it's worth it. Not only does it help with your problem - also the sound quality is a lot[/] better, so I can indeed use my TyTN (when I get it back) as an MP3 player. I did the same modification on my Magician which I now have for two years, and I never regretted having cut a brand new pair of not-very-cheap earphones.
Hope I could help you.
Cheers
Daniel
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Hi All,
I bought an XDAII about 2 weeks ago and am very please with it, however, when I make and receive calls, the sound seems to be very muffled. The people I call also comment that I sound very muffled too. Is there something wrong with it, or is this usual ? I was also wondering if a Radio Stack upgrade may cure this problem.
Here are my current versions etc.
ROM Version 1.03.00 USA
ROM Date 09/24/03
Radio Version 1.05.12
Protocol Version 1337.12
Any help appreciated.
Thanks,
Rob.
unfortunately it doesnt.
i know what you mean . . . but i upgraded my radio stack to 1.10 and it's still the same sound
i just hope it's just a setting of how the audio is decoded by the radio (sort of like the nokia setting you can turn on and off (at the expense of battery power) forgot what it's called.
cuz if it's not that, then it just means it's got a lousy speaker hehehe
hehe.. Thanks for the reply mate. At least I'm not the only one with a muffly speaker n mic
Ta,
Rob.
no prob :wink:
i think everybody has the same problem, only they just dont think it's a biggie (or aren't as picky as us) since the audio STILL is intelligible anyways
Has anyone else encountered a problem when either using the phone normally or through the speakerphone option, there is a slight rattling when the volume's set high?
This is quite annoying if common and is something other speakerphone phones seem to suffer from.
Anthony
XDA2 not as good as it looks
Hi there
I have my XDA2 for 5 months and I´m in love with it, whenever one of my freinds mention its faults I get upset :?
But, we all know that the XDA2 is FAULTY big time, sofware not well developed yet, and yes, we think twice about buying software (same apply to hardware)
I have learn how to live with all this, still think that the XDA2 is a top tool for work and everyday life and I hope that other machines come to the market to compete, then we will get value for money
Bad Sound Quality
Hi,
I also bought a MDA II (T-Mobile Germany) some weeks ago. I really like it, but I also think that the sound quality is not the best. There are two effects that annoy me:
1. I can hear a high pitched beep in the speaker, always when the device is switched on (not only when talking on the phone but always if it is switched on). It is not very loud, but I can hear it clearly in quiet environment (my ears are still too good I think...).
2. The sound has to much "base" and to less "treble". Well, you can understand the person on the other end but this is definitly the worst sound quality I ever had on a phone.
This is the only thread I could find discussing this problem, leading me to the conclusion that either most phones are good and I got a bad one or most people don't bother if a very expensive phone sounds like a $5 toy...
Is there a chance to get a better sounding replacement phone or should I learn to be happy with it?
Regards,
Oli
Sounds Rubbish
Hi guys
i noticed the sound isn't as good as the XDA I when playing mP3's or MPG files on it.
does anyone know if there is anything that can be done to correct this ??
other than buying a set of speakers to go with it, doesn't seem much else ! ;(
any solution for this???????
I've got the same problem, however I've noticed that the sound is clear when I use the XDA 2 with my tomtom navigator the voice instructions are very clear, its strange + when I use the speaker phone the other party can hardly hear me.
sorry to tell you this, but i have got mine repaired and strange that they changed the motherboard to get rid of this problem, means it is a mother board problem not speaker or software.
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ruiner said:
Hi,
I also bought a MDA II (T-Mobile Germany) some weeks ago. I really like it, but I also think that the sound quality is not the best. There are two effects that annoy me:
1. I can hear a high pitched beep in the speaker, always when the device is switched on (not only when talking on the phone but always if it is switched on). It is not very loud, but I can hear it clearly in quiet environment (my ears are still too good I think...).
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The high pitched beep is caused by the poor filtering of the power electronics of the background lightning of the touchscreen. It is worse if the light is set to low. If you set it one or two notches higher, the beep sound will go away (or at least you won't hear it anymore).
Hello XDA-Devs and Readers
I bought a cheap BT-Stereoheadset (39,90€) (Callstel "Neck Comfort").
It seems working, I even get no skipping with the original german Eplus-ROM (see my other threads for more info about the ROM). Unfortunately I found two more or less major probs:
The first and the biggest for me is, that the music sounds really bad, it comes in Stereo but it sounds in the higher frequencies like a <32kbit MP3, something like a noise in the connection. Its really annoying and hurts in the ears. The second prob I found is, that the calls come only on the left side. Even the cable-headset that came with the TyTN plays calls on both sides, good for noisy enviroment.
Is there any help or can I just return the headset to PEARL? As I said, skipping in the way I understand the word wasn't a problem. I even could let the phone lie in a other room and the music still played without any stops.
kind regards!
Nobody? No idea?
Does anyone on here have it? How well does it work with WM6 and the Kaiser in general?
Sorry if this has been addressed in the past. I tried searching the Accessories forum with both basic and advanced searches and came back with no results. Which is odd considering I could have SWORN I saw it talked about here at some point int he past.
I have a Jabra BT620s, which is also A2DP. It is total crap. I would look at a different brand. Motorola headsets are supposed to work well.
Jabra BT8010 and Tilt
joshuah82 said:
Does anyone on here have it? How well does it work with WM6 and the Kaiser in general?
Sorry if this has been addressed in the past. I tried searching the Accessories forum with both basic and advanced searches and came back with no results. Which is odd considering I could have SWORN I saw it talked about here at some point int he past.
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I have the 8010 and it with all due respect to the previous poster, it works great. I have used it with the original shipped ROM and several cooked ROMS (Currently on Sleuth's 6.1 ver 3) and it worked well with all of them. I will say it seems to work the best (longer distance from the PPC) with the radio included in Sleuth's 6.1
Can either of you provide more specific information about the issues you had with it? I've never had a bluetooth headset before so I might not even notice.
My BT620s sounded like a bad record. The pitch kept shifting very subtly, but it is INSANELY annoying and makes it completely un-listenable. Also, it would drop audio for about 5 seconds of every minute, which is very annoying. It had trouble with pairing, when you turned it off, it would sometimes refuse to re-connect to the phone. The call quality with it was OK though. I sold mine and bought a pair of Motorolas.
i have the bt8010 (only for a week) and the head set is pretty good
i have had the headset cut out on me i think there is interference from the cell or wifi. but it doesn't happen all the time. the battery life is good i have played at least 9 hours of music (stereo) straight before it need a charge. the sound quality is ok, there is some distortion on the extreme high and low notes.
but it is wireless
the headset need to be angled in a upward angle in order to be conformable (at least for me) i was able to were it for 3 hours with out a problem
the cord between the ears some times get pulled by twisting my neck, it's about 1 inch too long
i have used it in a noisy production floor and the person on the other side head me fine, a little downed out but they didn't hear the hum of the loud machine in the background and because i had the stereo on i head him better then on my phone, and yes you do hear the person on both right and left sides.
i was going to get a Motorola (mono) one but i got this one because the talk time and standby life is longer (according to specs) and this one has stereo option.
this is the only headset that you could switch from work to play
i am happy with it, and other around me like it.
btw i got mine refurbished.
I have the BT8010. I've had it for about 7 to 8 months now, maybe longer.
I really do not like the headset at all. It has great sound so don't get me wrong. If sound is all you are interested in then go for it. But if you are looking for fit or the ear loops to stay on then they aren't the ones.
For me, the fit for me is horrible and the headset hurts because I have small ears.
SECOND and this is the BIGGEST LET DOWN, the ear loops keep falling out.
So if you get it go ahead and call and order some extras right away. You can contact them via phone I think and they will send you a few. Just keep one in your wallet and one in the car and some @ home, and some in your briefcase.
The ear loops fall out way too easy for my tastes. I'm currently looking for another set of A2DB enabled headsets.
I use it for some 4 month. Mostly monoaural. It's ok, but...
Pros: VERY good sound quality (noise reduction, environment supression), good battery lifetime (up to 3 days), clear display, handy controls.
Cons: the ear hanger (? sorry for my english) slips out from the unit causing unit to fall, fast dial numbers are too short (cannot add cell codes e.g. enabling my phone number identification before dial number), does not fit perfectly into the ear - the sound is good when I puch it with my finger toward my ear, but listening to the music is a bit painful (not full spectrum due to distance between speaker and ear-hole that cannot be, at least in my case, adjusted).
Overall: good design/performance. Better quality then BT800 (my previous earphone). Cannot be securely and properly adjusted toward ear.
has anyone got more insight on this headset... i am looking in purhcasing it.
I use the 8010. The only complaint I had was the ear hook kept falling out, like the poster above. What I did was to superglue the hook in. Now, it doesn't fall, and it fit tighter to the ear, making it better to hear conversations and music. I lost one of the hooks before, and when I called jabra to order another set of hooks, they sent me out a Free pair, no ? asked, so support is great. Now, you can find the headset at a very good price. I paid $100 for mines, you can find them for $40-60.
Jabra BT8010 connection
I also have problems with the ear loop falling out. But it's not that often.
What I find annoying is that it doesn't automatically connect to my HTC prophet as stereo headphones when I switch the Jabra to music mode. I have to manually go into bluetooth settings and click on Jabra BT8010 to set as stereo headphones. Does anyone have a fix for this? If I don't do the above steps, AVRCP is able to work, but music will still come out of the phone. It would be nice if I can just listen to music with a push of the mode button without having to fumble for my phone.
i have em .. and to be honest i cant really complain
the only problem ive actually had is like everyone else has mentioned...the ear loop comming off..but thats so small in comparison to what they have to offer.
imo :
the sync from my car to my home bt system is awesome!
the clarity is superb
volume, settings, caller id and the phonebook work flawlessly..and to top it off i got em off of ebay for 25 bucks brand new with a reciept..
cant beat it!
i ahve jabra bt620s and sound is too low, how can i increase the sound on bt headset
the best bluetooth I know so far is Itech. They don't sell here but you can find it on ebay. A2DP, bluetooth stereo, cliping on you cloth, looks like a ipod shuttle on you collar.
[edit] I've found this fault described elsewhere. Apparently it's a problem with either the LCD or the touch screen.
See "Whats that dreadful noise??" http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=387292 [edit]
I got hold of a second hand G4 Prophet (Orange SPV_M600) this morning and immediately begun upgrading it;
- HardSPL
- Unlocked
- Korand WM6 WWE 2.6 rom
At some point during the upgrade I believe that the sound quality became very bad. There is now a constant whistle from the ear piece and menu click sounds are loud, distorted and tinny.
I cannot be sure that it was not like this when it arrived, it played MP3 ok but I did not hold it to my ear. So really, I need to know if any body has experienced similar problems after upgrades. Have you come across any roms that don't work well with the G4?
Regards
David
of course my pal its means the rom is not good try another one and use this program install it in any place and configurate it u will feel different ,
http://rapidshare.com/files/114853434/SRS_Sound.7z.html
Does anyone actually use the phone as a phone? I'm finding that the echo cancel really limits the quality of the phone. I can hardly carry on a decent conversation in the car using the supplied headset.
Does anyone else have this problem?
Try this: connect the headset. Call your phone from another phone. Listen to both at the same time. You can clearly hear when you talk that the phone is suppressing noise.
What I find is that when I'm in the car, it actually seems to suppress the volume of the person on the other end! So, it can be very frustrating as I miss words that they say.
Combine this with AT&T's marvelous AGC (where if you don't talk, it cranks the volume so that when you do talk, it blows the person on the other end away!), and the total quality of the call is horrible.
I've been using cell phones for almost 20 years. This is the worst phone quality I've ever experience.
When I use the phone directly for calls, everything sounds clear and at a consistent volume with one exception, while waiting for the other party to answer, the call ringing tone goes up and down in volume.
I've paired 3 different bluetooth headsets to the phone and found that the volume in my headset goes up and down quite a bit. Usually it's the worst at the beginning of the call. Sometimes I can't hear the other person answer but then it levels out a bit and the volume fluctuations are less extreme. I've tried an old Sony Ericsson, a Jabra Extreme, and have settled on a Plantronics Voyager Pro+. The Voyager is about the best I've tried but still exhibits the volume fluctuations but not as bad. It also supports A2DP so I can listen to podcasts through the headset.
I use it with the Sync system in my ford f150 and have no problems at all. It works great. I dont use headsets so..........only my sync system
I thought it was just me. My Plantronics 925 does this as well. Calls from the phone are fine, but the headset volume cuts in and out. Is this a bad Bluetooth stack or other problem? I think I remember another phone (WM 6.5) that had to get hacked to fix this. I'm a little miffed on this. Did anyone at Samsung or ATT test the bluetooth on this phone before selling it?
I have had very good call quality whether using the "phone as a phone", the phones speaker phone, or a blue ant bluetooth headset. I have had poor call quality only when trying to call someone in very low signal area. That has only been once. Otherwise overall clarity and volume have not been an issue, actually phone volume on high is too loud for my ears!
adding to my earlier post. I exchanged my Focus due to an unrelated issue. Both handsets had the same fade out issue with the bluetooth headsets. I've experienced it on every call so I don't think it's signal related. I don't see any volume fluctuation at all when using the handset without the bluetooth headset. I've tried the same three bluetooth headsets on my wife's iPhone 3GS and all work fine. I've also streamed at least a couple of hours of podcasts from the Focus to my headset and the volume is perfectly level. Whatever the issue, it's only related to phone calls. Very frustrating.
I've experienced the same issues. I have an Aliph Jawbone Icon. Before I updated the firmware on it I could barely hear someone on the other end. With the new jawbone firmware I have the ability to control the volume in the headset and only when I have it turned all the way up does it work ok. I do, however, still have trouble when people are talking that when the first start and or finish talking what they say seems to get clipped. Further, the volume seems to fade in and out. Also, if I'm using the AT&T navigator software and have my headset attached it will give me directions through the headset, but the end of every direction gets chopped off. So, the avene or street part of a direction doesn't come through.
I've been following this issue in a few different forums. Today a moderator in the Microsoft Answers forum jumped in and said they were experiencing the same problem and they would escalate the issue.
http://social.answers.microsoft.com...4ce-30ee-4734-9dab-28ce0d561132?prof=required
Can't recommend this phone
I was so excited when I first got my Focus. I thought it was such a huge step forward for MS mobile and actually had some chance at being mainstream. Sure it lacked a few features but there was the hope that MS would update the phone quickly. After all, they seemed to have made such phenomenal progress in getting the phone to market, seemed like fixing a few things and adding a few features would be a no-brainer.
Well, here we are 3 months later (Apple released the first update for iPhone 1.0.1 only one month later) and lots of rumors but nothing substantial on the long-awaited update. We'll see cut/paste but it's not at all clear if they will address anything else.
Here in CA we have a law that says we can't talk on the phone unless it's hands free. For the first time since that law was imposed, I've been regularly breaking it. I can't use a handsfree headset. Even the wired one that comes with the phone is so damn inconvenient that by the time I get it going, the caller is long gone. So, seemingly MAJOR features like BT headsets appear to get no notice at all from MS. I've looked through all the threads and there's nothing from MS. They don't even acknowledge the problem.
Looking at the thread from mcraine, I don't see where MS is going to do anything about this. Also, don't see any indication that it's part of any forthcoming updates.
Too bad. I thought this MS had a chance with this phone but they are blowing it big time. Momentum is gone now. If we have to wait another 3 months to get the browser fixed then the phone is destined to be like the Palm Pre. Good phone but can't keep up with the 'big' boys. This horse jumped out of the gate and was looking really good for the first couple of strides but then completely fell down and they are trying to coax it to get up again.
same issue here as well. mine is only a month old. it is not as noticable when sync'd to the car, but still noticable. and as said before more at the beginning of the call. if there were not issues, it would not be M$