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Frustrating Boot Lockup

I am encountering the same frustrating lockup at the windows boot screen using either the O2 Rom or the Dec T-Mobile Rom. Any number of attempts to soft reset or remove battery and reset are having no effect and only a hard reset gets the phone working again.
The problem arises after I have installed third party software. All the software installed fine and is working 100% ok. If I then remove the battery ie to change the sim card. Put back the battery and switch on all I get is the Blue Windows Mobile screen and WM5 will not load.
Anyone encountered the same problem and know how to resolve it?
All I can think of is that some piece of software is causing the problem. Maybe trial and error ie install one programme then soft reset to test if WM5 boots properly will identify if a particular piece of software is causing the boot lockup.

I had the same problem on a MDA vario, have you got pocket plus installed?
if so its still good to use, but the safe mode option is not WM5 compliant, once installed, just edit the spb options and untick safe mode checkbox, now on soft reset it wont hang

Spot on!! Last night by process of elimination I discovered that the culprit was indeed SPB Pocket Plus.
Without that prog installed everything is fine and dandy. Install it and lock up occurs on soft re-boot.
I used the latest version of Pocket Plus as well which is supposed to be WM5 compliant.

thanks for that information, i got my kjam yesterday and installed pocket plus last night and i haven't reset it yet and when i was reading this i was thinking... "let me reset my device and see if it hangs" but i decided not to and go ahead and untick the safe mode option hahaha.

Solution/reason of hangup on WM screen
I have the same problem. See my "solution" here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=1122263

stillo said:
I have the same problem. See my "solution" here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=1122263
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LOL !!!
You are answering to a post almost 2 years old,they must have solved the problem or upgraded to a new Rom or even changed their phones.Plz check the date and thread before posting.
There's no fun invoking old posts just for the sake of posting,lol
PLZ !!! READ MY WORDS..... " DON'T SPAM "

'Phone' always off after reboot on my Vario II

Hi,
Lately the phone side of my T-Mobile Vario II is alays off after I turn it off and then on. I have to manually start it from the Comms Manager.
It was fine when I first got it.
Any ideas? Is there a Registry setting I can check?
Thanks.

Hi,
I have the same problem too. Hope sombody can find a solution to it.
cheers

Make comm manager an exception in whatever task manager (magic button, InClose, ....) you have installed.

I have the same problem and I don't have any of the task managers installed....

Same issue here. It doesn't seem to be related to close app exception lists either since mine only recently started exhibiting this issue and I've had spb pocket plus installed since I upgraded to the 1.31 Cingular ROM with no close exceptions defined. My first TyTN started doing it too.
Interestingly, pressing reset doesn't have the same effect: the radio comes right up then. Every night spb backup plus resets my device after the backup and I've never had an issue. Therefore, I believe it has something to do with the power-off shutdown process itself. In support of this, I've noticed that when I press "Yes" on the shutdown dialog, the first thing that happens is the radio shuts off. Then, about 5 seconds later the device shuts off.
What I've done so far is to add Conmgr.exe to SPB pocket plus' close app exception list. I'll see if this affects anything. IIRC there were a few more apps that needed adding too. I'm hunting those down right now.
edit:
hmmm.... after adding conmgr.exe to the close exception list, the phone came right up when I tried a powercycle. Either this fixes it or its intermittent. Perhaps spb does an explicit close on all open apps when you try to power off and this is somehow affecting the phone mode when conmgr starts back up.

Hi, are you all referring to flight mode being on when the phone reboots?
I know I have had an issue where after I install some apps that when I reboot flight mode will be on, and it will keep doing this, I also noticed that if I just soft reset it wouldn't happen, the trick I have found to get it workin again was to use the always on settings with the fit4cat tweaker, and usually once or a couple times of setting like gprs always on of off, and a softresetting that it will fix the flight mode being on problem...I'm not sure if you all are talkin about the same thing and this really isn't pinpointing the fix, but I thought this info might help atleast one persons aggrivation..cause I'm sure I can't be the only one with the flight mode problem.
I don't use spb btw, well I use spb backup, but have had the problem arise after I installed wmirc and netfront for example.
I never use the comm manager, I just click the signal by the time in the taskbar and it says flight mode is on, I just realized it is likely the same problem.
edit: I had the problem arise again and can't figure out how to fix it, even tried a registry restore.

Not a Fix but a Working Solution
I started having the issue of the radio being off on startup a few weeks ago.
So I invested($10) in a copy of SK Softwares Scheduling Manager SKScheMa.
http://s-k-tools.com/index.html?sksc..._skschema.html
This has a powerful scripting language and one of the script commands is "GPRS on"
I created a shortcut in the startup folder to a GPRS On script. and since then I have had no more problems.

Another workaround (free)
This problem recently started to affect my Cing 8525, as well. I don't know if this has been already resolved, but my solution was to DL this little freebee named FlightMode v1.1.0 (Thanks to Cristiano Severini) from here:
http://www .winmobileapps.com /device/pocketpc/fm/fm .aspx
I've only tested it so far with one reboot, but it seems to work around whatever bug there is in WM5 ... as long as you don't mind CommManager flashing on the screen for an instant at bootup, and then having it running in the background (too bad it doesn't do a full close of CM).
I installed this app, and then created a shortcut and placed it into the \Windows\Startup directory. Seems to do the trick nicely.
Hope you find it useful.
[EDIT: Further tests have shown me that Comm Manager does NOT flash on the screen briefly, nor remain loaded. Seems that had something to do with PhoneAlarm, instead. Personally, I think this might be a good solution to this particular problem.]
[EDIT2: Ok, further tests of Fightmode showed me that this was merely a toggle, and in cases where the phone was ON after a reboot, Flightmode shut it off. Nice little program, but this issue made me look at the SKScheMa mentioned by paulbacik. What a powerful tool! I agree, that $9.60US is a bit expensive just to have the phone/radio on after a reboot, but I feel this app has some wonderful potential. So I plunked down the cash and registered it after a day of testing. Does the trick VERY nicely! Thanks Paul!]

Aha... I think I have found the problem...
Ms Voice Command v1.60 does it for me. As soon as I install it the phone won't start at boot up. Remove it and the problem is gone.
Wonder if everyone else with this problem has VC installed.

Nope ... not VC
Thanks for the attempt, Essef, but VC is one of the few apps I haven't (yet) installed. I'm leaning towards it being related to (in my case) Wi-Fi Compnion. I'm going to reinstall that this weekend, and see if my problem resurfaces. Hopefully not, since I like the app (and paid for it).
FWIW, I am also now using the SK ScheMa "fix", and I like it a lot. It never fails on startup, and I aim to use it ... and PPL a lot to customize/personalize my 8525.
Best regards,
-pvs
[UPDATE] OK, so far, so good. I reinstalled Wi-Fi Companion last night, and it worked pretty well. Actually, my 8525 froze the first time, and I needed to hard-reset (thank GOD for SPB Backup!). But, not being one who gives-up easily, I tried it again, and it installed flawlessly. I've been using it on-and-off today, and so far, my phone still boots without the "The Operation Failed" error messages I was seeing before. Mind you, I have done quite a bit of tinkering since the last time I had the problem, going from ROM version 1.34.502.1 to 2.06.502.3 after SuperCIDing and SIM Unlocking the device, so maybe all of this stuff made a difference.
At any rate, I will post to this thread again should anything change with regard to this issue.
-pvs
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After a bit of experimention I found a fix for Voice Command causing this on my Jasjam.
It seemed to occur as soon as I assigned VC to the 5th button (which was Cyberon's Voice Dialer) - then no radio after reboot.
So I tried removing the sddaemon shortcut in the startup folder (this starts the Cyberon service), rebooted then assigned VC to button 5 and now the radio satrts everytime I reboot.
I guess with the Cyberon service running and assigned to button 5, reassigning the button caused the device to get confused and not start the radio.

Problems with rebooting of MDA Vario

I have a problem and I hope someone can help me.....
First of all I have been having problems when soft-resetting my MDA Vario. When soft-resetting my device, it freezes when starting up. I have the following programs installed:
Wisbar Advance 2
SBSH PocketBreeze
SBSH PocketWeather
Windows Live Messenger Beta
I haven't found out what is causing the problem, but everytime it freezes I have to hard-reset my device which is totally getting frustrating!!! Usually it takes me about an hour to reinstall everything again, sync my contacts, tweaks in my registry and so on.
Has anyone else been having this problem or knows what is causing it to do this???? I'm just reinstalled everything again and everything is running smooth again, but I'm afraid to soft-reset my device again because I'm afraid it will freeze again on startup. Furthermore, everytime I sync my device I have a pain in the royal to get my contacts back the way they are....
I'm open to any suggestions! Thanks in advance!!

Freezing
Try not re-installing one of them after your next hard-reset.
It it no longer freezes - you have the culprit.
Charlie Grillo

I have a feeling that it's WLM that is causing the problems. I know I shouldn't have installed it, but once you use it your hooked! Going back to the old Pocket MSN is like trading in a Ferrari for a old Toyota Corolla... although the old Corolla is like old fateful and won't let you down, driving a Ferrari is like a dream!
Anyway.... I will try rebooting when I get home and see if I find out the problem. Have you had this problem too ? Or is it just me ? I've done some searching and it seems that others have the problem but haven't been able to pin point it.
I just hope I can uninstall the WLM beta off my device without hard-resetting it.....

One thing I noticed on my device is that when you boot it up and leave it alone it will crash, but if you touch the screen or press a button every 30 seconds or so it boots up fine.
Think it is something to do with the standby setting after x seconds, if thats disabled it boots up ok.

Thanks for your reply!
I reinstalled everything on my phone again... getting to be a real pain reinstalling everything. Anyway, my vario works fine now with WLM, that did seem to be the problem.
But, how did you manage to disable the standby setting ??? And how did you find it out??? Have you tested this enough to know that this is the cause?
Maybe there is a registry tweak that will help, can anyone say which adjustment is necessary in your registry???

ameo freeze every day serveral times

Hi,
i have everytime the problem that when i turn the ameo off,
it freeze when i turn it on, this is randomly so i cannot figure out
when this is happends, after soft reset it works again.
Is there a way to find out where the gab is?
tried to close every open application so far, and turn the most
used on after turn of the device.
I'll hope to find out otherwise i need to to the hard reset
(it took that serveral hours to install al again .
thanks

tvrman said:
Hi,
i have everytime the problem that when i turn the ameo off,
it freeze when i turn it on, this is randomly so i cannot figure out
when this is happends, after soft reset it works again.
Is there a way to find out where the gab is?
tried to close every open application so far, and turn the most
used on after turn of the device.
I'll hope to find out otherwise i need to to the hard reset
(it took that serveral hours to install al again .
thanks
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Hi tvrman.
For starters, install Sprite backup (on one of the CD's you got with the Ameo). This will eradicate the need for a full install after a hard reset in the future!
I suggest you do a full hard reset anyway then install Sprite Backup utility.
Only put back your essential apps one by one with 1/2 a days gap between each installation and test the turn off turn on function.
Be sure to use the supplied X-Button application to ensure you properly clode apps down after you're finished with them....or use Wisbar Advance 2, which will do it for you....except for Active Sync (this will always remain active unless shut down manually in memory menu).
I have not once suffered the problem you have in over a months use of the Ameo....might be a faulty unit or a buggy ROM. What version ROM are you using?
Anyway, if all goes well over the next 3 days, do a full backup and save a copy to your storage card or micro drive and be sure to copy a copy over to your PC...that should future peoof you having to do a full install again in the future. And be sure only to back up, if you have no problems with the device and the problems you mentioned earlier. Otherwise you will allways restore the bugs in the device after a hard reset.
Hope this helps. keep us updated on how you get on.

Mackaby007
thanks for you professional answer, i was not aware that spd backup
was on the cd which was delivered at the ameo.
Well yesterday i found out that one of the programs (profimail)
which i'm using serveral times a day for my mail, that this is the problem
I found out that yesterday i didn't use profimail but the built in mail the
whole day and the ameo did not freeze at all the whole day
tried to turn it off an on the whole day and no problems at all,
yesterday late i start profimail and check serveral mails, i close profimail
and turn the device off, later turn it on and a black screen it would not
turn on
After soft reset everthing works.
So i will check today again without using profimail and see what's happends
again.
i'll let you know....

hi,
I had the same problem.
My solution was to format the mini-sd card.
So what i did:
1. copied all data on de minisd in a cardreader to a directory on pc
2. Formatted (not quick) the minisd
3. Copied all data back to the minisd.

All the tests I have tried suggest it is Wisebar Advance 2 that is causing the freezing.
Anyone else find this? Shame as it is the program I like the most
Robert

tvrman said:
Hi,
i have everytime the problem that when i turn the ameo off,
it freeze when i turn it on, this is randomly so i cannot figure out
when this is happends, after soft reset it works again.
Is there a way to find out where the gab is?
tried to close every open application so far, and turn the most
used on after turn of the device.
I'll hope to find out otherwise i need to to the hard reset
(it took that serveral hours to install al again .
thanks
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Have you got a password to lock your phone try removing that see if it still locks , i was having the same issue

Mrsums said:
All the tests I have tried suggest it is Wisebar Advance 2 that is causing the freezing.
Anyone else find this? Shame as it is the program I like the most
Robert
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No such issue here! WA2 runs like a dream on my Ameo...even better than it did on my Hermes or Prophet! I'm using the 2.8.0.2 version of WA2 without WAD.

WA2 + WAD
Yes, in my case it was also WA2. I made my own skin and all work fine. But in time I got more lock-ups. So I decided to reinstall everything. Then things went wrong. That day I have installed everything 6 times. Every time I had lock-ups when I pushed the power button and activated it again. But after disabeling WA I had no troubles anymore. The last production and beta version have the same problems. At this point I have to advice not to use WA2. I did not examine every feature of WA2. So there can be one feature that caused the problem. I made my own iPhone landscape skin and I was very pleased. Could somebody try this skin to see if it freezes their device?

skin
iPhone skin ftp://xda:[email protected]/Uploads/Software/iPhone.rar
I use a lot of apps. I also use the following plugins on WAD:
SPB Diary
Profiles for Windows Mobile
Windows Life Messenger

QAN said:
Yes, in my case it was also WA2. I made my own skin and all work fine. But in time I got more lock-ups. So I decided to reinstall everything. Then things went wrong. That day I have installed everything 6 times. Every time I had lock-ups when I pushed the power button and activated it again. But after disabeling WA I had no troubles anymore. The last production and beta version have the same problems. At this point I have to advice not to use WA2. I did not examine every feature of WA2. So there can be one feature that caused the problem. I made my own iPhone landscape skin and I was very pleased. Could somebody try this skin to see if it freezes their device?
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I'll give the skin a test run in an hour, but I refuse to use plug-ins again. They have always caused me problems, but WA2 never has. What version were you running?

Tried the i-phone skin and have experienced no issues whatsoever.
Maybe the Problem is WAD and your plug-ins.

WAD keep on giving problems like this...it's a sin for such an interesting application...here it is because I gave up to use it.

Mrsums said:
All the tests I have tried suggest it is Wisebar Advance 2 that is causing the freezing.
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I did some searching and found some suggestions it might be the skin I was using. I changed the skin and no more freezing.
Robert

trayap.exe
Since I removed the trayap.exe from the init part of the registry I did not have any freezing anymore. I will try WA2 again to see if this solves my problem.
By the way, I am using the latest beta's of WA2 and WAD

hi all
i find that if i use the off button to turn off the backlight whilst media player is running it jams the machine, requiring a reboot. i know that i can usethe light button on the keyboard but i sometimes forget that media player is running (ie. paused).

I have the same freezing problem now after a few weeks of usage.
The device was running very nicely but now, without installing anything further or adding anything to the device, it freezes randomly.
It likes to freeze when the backlight goes off, while I play MP3 files or have a phone conversation using bluetooth.
In the past 4 days I have softreset the device no less than 81 times.
I suspect the Microdrive is to blame. Is it sensitive to movement?
I will remove all my software and other files from the microdrive and see if things improve.
In the mean time, has anyone else experienced random and frequent freezing?
Oh, I have the Dopod U1000 branded device with the latest firmware.

ok, I had it with this. 16 more soft resets within 4 hours.
I hard reset the device. So far I see no random freezing, but I didn't install anything extra yet except ozVGA and VJBigPhone. And both of them on the internal memory, so nothing on the microdrive.

CAB request!

Can somebody with the know how make a little program which litterally only performs one task: kills the process services.exe.
The reason for this is it is the cause of many soft resets in a day. Sometimes not even fixing the slowdown anyway and causing the famous black screen of death.
But as soon as i go to sktools and use the processes tool and kill the process phone goes back to being how it should! However because the phone goes into major slowdown it takes ages for the sktools processes program to load and then hard to select services from the list because of the lagging etc so it would be nice just to have a link that i could put on my quick links and when phone goes to melt down just press this magic button which saves the phone being hurled at a wall!
It needs to be called Meltdown Override or something!
This is a serious request as it would make HD2 use a much more pleasant experience!
Many thanks

This is pretty easy to do AFAIK...
If nobody else does it, I can do it when I have some more free time ...

I would appreciate this so much!
I think I may even use AEB to assign it to a long press of the back key or something

But, does services.exe auto-starts again? Because you could have some problems if you kill it and don't start it again...

Yer it does straight away but not running at 90% + CPU.

I find it unlikely that services.exe is really the culprit here, but rather a service installed on your phone that is misbehaving. If you find out which service is causing the problem, and then uninstall or disable it....
curing the disease, rather than treating the symptoms.

X1-owner said:
I find it unlikely that services.exe is really the culprit here, but rather a service installed on your phone that is misbehaving. If you find out which service is causing the problem, and then uninstall or disable it....
curing the disease, rather than treating the symptoms.
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This guy is right...

Ive only just installed a new ROM voda UK 1.72 so I have next to no programs installed at the moment so I don't see what could cause it.
The main time this happens is when left charging over night and when you go to use it in the morning it's completely screwed. Soft reset doesnt fix it it just goes to black screen of death so then u have to take the battery cover off and reset again. The only thing i have found to get it to a useable state again is to kill process services.exe, and then its fine again. Once by doing that it stopped weather update and text messaging from working but atleast when i then did a soft reset things where still fine and those two things worked again and no laggy phone.
I kno it seems stupid to just kill a process and not find the problem but i cant see what the problem could be considering how recently i hard reset the phone (which i did 3 times in total to see if it got rid of the problem).

Just forget that ROM and go back to a working one? Seems easy to me... don't always need to have the latest or highest version number, just something that works... If 1.72 doesn't work for you, don't use it!

I would if it wasn't for the fact that after doing the annoying procedure in the morning of killing process "services.exe" then soft reseting, it runs the quickest i have ever been able to use the device on any ROM before it

You know that services.exe is one of the main parts of your phone-funcionality (calls, sms, etc.)?
As you said you experience it in most cases in the morning... Have u got GAlarm installed?
If yes --> Did you check the RegKey MidnightWakeup=True and change it to false?
My Girlfriends TD2 had the same issue. CPU usage by services.exe was often around 70-90% until i applied this change...

Services.exe is just like svchost on a windows-machine, it just hosts a bunch of services. So most likely its a service that has gone crazy.