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XDA II charge or not to charge

Having major issues with my 3 month old XDA.
1. Will charge when using the home charger
2. Will charge when using cradel connected to 1 of my 2 PC's
3. Will not charge when using cradel connecting to my other PC
4. Will not charge when using cradel connecting to my MAC
5. Will charge when using cradel connecting to my PC Laptop
6. Will not charge when using the O2 supplied car charger
In every case the phone thinks it is charging i.e. the green charging light comes on and if you go to the battery control panel, it even says "charging".
XDA repair centre have had it for 2 weeks, flashed the rom and returned it. Still doing it.
Have demanded a new phone form onestopphoneshop.com who have refused due to it being more than 28days old although it has done this from new.
Aaarrrrgggghhhh!!!!!!
Can anyone help?

Have you tried another battery?
Since the hardware 'logic' seems to be doing something (light goes on, software gets charging signals) the chances are the battery is faulty . . .
Why some chargers do work and others dont: Could be the charging current that is higher on chargers (incl USB port of one of your pc's) that make this battery charge.

Battery...could be I suppose, but I have been digging further into this and have found the following.....suspicious!
www.ppcw.net/?itemid=1646

Hello,
I have a very similar problem to that described in the website you listed.
My phone works fine with its supplied cradle and charger, and charges fine with my work and home PC's, with only the USB cable plugged in.
I bought a charger/ sync cable off the web hoping to not have to carry my cradle home each day and it causes huge problems.
First off it doesn't sync at all - but does cause problems with activesync giving me error messages once it is unplugged saying 'Can't access COM1'
Worst of all though it turns the LED to orange for charging, and when you go to the battery screen it says charging, but instead it actually discharges the battery! This is also the case when I use the cable with the wall socket plugged in.

Just spoke to XDA Repair centre, they have done a total cop out and said that they do not support anything that does not come in the box!!!! That means my car and my computers!!!
[email protected]@rds!!!

Have just bought a new 1400mah battery, will be here in a couple of days, will keep you posted.

I have found that the battery will charge if the xda 2 is about 70% full but lower than this and it will discharge the battery via usb.

conaero said:
Have just bought a new 1400mah battery, will be here in a couple of days, will keep you posted.
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Just want to make sure, is it 1400 mAh? because the standard one in the imate (xda2) is 1200 mAh.

GoldenSands said:
conaero said:
Have just bought a new 1400mah battery, will be here in a couple of days, will keep you posted.
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Just want to make sure, is it 1400 mAh? because the standard one in the imate (xda2) is 1200 mAh.
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It is indeed a 1460 battery to be precise, I have been told that they are very rare, think they are the ones that are going in the new XDA II i, s, III or what ever it is going to be called.
It should last 25% longer, cost £25GBP. Will let you know how I get on with it on Monday after a weekend of testing.
Back to the charging problem, do you others who have the same charging problem all use the O2 supplied USB cradel. Is there anyone else using an alternative charge and sync cable that works better???
Just a thought.
I have been told more by the XDA repair centre. It seems that the output through various USB ports vary in ampage, surely some sort of regulation should be made into the cradels/chargers???

not sure if this is relevant but
if one does not connect the power connecter to the cradle
then the xda will be forced to charge using usb
and some motherboard have issues giving enough stable power
more so if you have connected more then one usb device
to ports which share the max 500mA that usb can give
also not all motherboard can charge over usb when
the pc is off it all comes down to if usb is powered with vsb+ 5v
some motherboards have jumpers to control this

canaero - Where did you buy the battery from? Is it exactly the same size, or is it slightly thicker?
I have ordered a mini-sync charge cable from boxware in the states; on their website, it says it is compatible with my ORange SPV M1000, but we'll see when it gets here.

Rudegar said:
some motherboard have issues giving enough stable power more so if you have connected more then one usb device
to ports which share the max 500mA that usb can give.
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Well, I am using the cradle and I do not connect it to the power supply, here it goes, it takes a lot of time to charge my imate (xda2) if it is connected to my notebook, while it takes about less than an hour to charge the imate if the cradle is connected to my PC!!
Conaero said:
It should last 25% longer, cost £25GBP. Will let you know how I get on with it on Monday after a weekend of testing.
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That's really good price and I guess the battery performance should be better, I heared the xda3, or xdaIIi or whatever (the new model), the battery power is 1490mAh. Please let us know your experience with the new battery.

The new battery has just arrived and I am charging it now. It says 1400 on the front plus a made in china sticker on it.
I got if off ebay from SIANS Mobiles spares and repair Tel: 07743 787858 or www.siansmobiles.co.uk
Good luck

IT WONT CHARGE!!!
just a quick one, i arrange for around 60 XDA's to be used in my company and i can tell you that not one of them will charge in any of our company vehicals or charge via the cradle.

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bpinder2002 said:
just a quick one, i arrange for around 60 XDA's to be used in my company and i can tell you that not one of them will charge in any of our company vehicals or charge via the cradle.
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Yikkkes, O2 must listen to you as you have bought so many, say you will send them all back and cancel the contract and see them squirm. Let me know what the outcome is, because leagaly you can send them back and get our of your contract under 'not fit for purpose'. Do it around the time of the new XDA, who knows!!!!
There really is an answer to this somewhere, I have bought this new high capacity battery and it is still not charging when it says it is. I am off to the Microsoft site to see if I can get them to point the finger and the XDA.

Used the new 1400mah battery all weekend, performed very well considering I used it as a sat nav for 6 hours on Saturday continuously with the backlight on for all of those 6 hours.

P3600 does not charge

p3600 will not charge anymore, when i put in htc headset, the headsets work, but windows won't find it, and can't charge through wall ac adapter either

ppatel223 said:
p3600 will not charge anymore, when i put in htc headset, the headsets work, but windows won't find it, and can't charge through wall ac adapter either
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Happens to me ocasionally.
Try a softreset and it will charge again.

Happens to me all the time...
Can it be connected to the fact that some applications crash and leave the system unstable ?

I did soft and hard reset, but it won't charge. Now the phone is dead, i am in the process of arranging funeral with HTC. I email HTC, have not heard from them yet.

May your P3600 rest in peace...and be quickly replaced (maybe only the battery pack...)

My phone is acting very weird too. I charged it up, left it overnight. Turned it on in the morning, it was at 90%, after about 3 minutes of wifi, it was at 80%.

Charing - need 500mah
Make sure that you're using the right charger - I was using accessories from my Dopod 818 Pro - the P3600 would say it was charing, but wasn't actually -because we need a 500mah instead of 250mah (or some such).

ppatel223 said:
p3600 will not charge anymore, when i put in htc headset, the headsets work, but windows won't find it, and can't charge through wall ac adapter either
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my trinity stop charging too...
the headset works fine but it doesn't charge and don't sync too... i've tried hard reset but still not charge...
how do you fix that?
Have to send it to assistence?

I've the same problem... help!!!!!!!

Did anyone get anywhere with this? Been a while and no updates.
My GF uses my old Orange SPV M700 as a GPS in the car, and plays solitaire.
It started to drain really quickly then it refused to charge at all.
I figured the battery had died, so bought a cheap compatible to check it was that.
The cheap compatible came 80% charged, but after two hours of charging, while switched on, battery was showing 70%
I've tried both the original HTC charger and the motorola charger that came with my Bluetooth headset.
Neither seem to work, does it sound like a soft reset might help, or does it sound like the phone is kippered.
I'm not an Orange customer any more (They wouldn't do me a good deal on an Omnia), and it is only as a SatNav/PDA rather than phone, so while it would be no mad loss if is dead, SWMBOd doesn't want to spend out on anything to replace it.

I problem with mine was the mainboard, and it had to be replaced.
If yours still has warranty, deliver it to a repair center.
If not, you have to find a way to charge the battery on another device...

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I problem with mine was the mainboard, and it had to be replaced.
If yours still has warranty, deliver it to a repair center.
If not, you have to find a way to charge the battery on another device...
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I guess I'm looking for an external battery cradle and then and keeping a spare battery charged.
I think the phone is nearly 2 years old and out of contract

Just a quick update.
Both the motorola and htc USB chargers I have are both full 550miliamp usb chargers.
When plugged in the led goes from solid red, to flashing orange, temporarily to solid orange then a low battery warning, might be fine for 5 minutes or half an hour, then cycles back to solid red and arround again.

Car Charger Woes

Has anyone come up for a fix for the car charger issue?
The first time or two after a soft reset, the phone will work properly with a car charger. Plug and unplug it it a couple of times and then subsequent attempts to charge it off of the car charge will not activate the charging circuit.
I have to soft reboot to get the car charger to work again. Very frustrating, and probably the top most frustrating issue I have with this phone.

same thing here, i thought it was just my car charger. weird.

I think this may be due to the current being right on the lower limit.
Try turning phone onto standyby or off for car charging.
Not much help if using it as sat nav tho.

I had the same issue... untill I got a the genuine car charger

Wizard2004 said:
I had the same issue... untill I got a the genuine car charger
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Yes best advice is use an approved charger as there are earthing issues with several others that give kids of issues reported here.
See here and also see the link within the post:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1077622&postcount=6
Mike

Unsufficient charging

Hi commumity,
was using my Ameo today in my car. BT and phone activated, screen maximum brightness.
I have a 12V / 230V converter installed providing 160W continously. While using phone and contacts throughout the day, battery power dropped more and mmre though my device was connected to power supply. In the afternoon it ran out of power starting with loosing the connection to vodafone.
Who has similar experiences, who has a better way of charging in car?
best regards
dieter

My old car charger which works fine with all my old WM devices does not supply enough power for my Ameo.
My Brodit powered holder does.

Confucious said:
My old car charger which works fine with all my old WM devices does not supply enough power for my Ameo.
My Brodit powered holder does.
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I second that. This has been discussed numerous times - you need to check the ampage of your charger. If it's niot supplying enough, turn the screen brightness right down.

Well i guess its time for a little electrical networks lesson.
this phone consumes, under typical use about 300mAh, so if you have the screen on bright and the phone on with bluetooth your going to be using more than that and don't forget you still need to charge the battery and to top it all off your device will start to get hot and nothing kills a battery more than heat.
Solution: you need to make sure that you get a car charger that has an output of at least 1A... remember it will work with less but it won't charge as fast. usually but not always, you can find this information somewhere on the charger.
hope this helped

Output of 1A is one thing, but it seems that HTC devices (the Athena for one) more ways for charging. The orignal car charger from HTC does power the device fast(I have the charger for a few days now and can confirm that). There is also adapter cable available that allows fast charging. See the following post and post. It looks like the original HTC connectors use different pins on the connector for fast/powerfull charging

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Output of 1A is one thing, but it seems that HTC devices (the Athena for one) more ways for charging. The orignal car charger from HTC does power the device fast(I have the charger for a few days now and can confirm that). There is also adapter cable available that allows fast charging. See the following post and post. It looks like the original HTC connectors use different pins on the connector for fast/powerfull charging
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Yes, you're right. The original car charger does charge very well my Dopod with the screen turns to maximum, phone, bluetooth and GPS all are turned on.

Would anyone please care to post a direct link to a fast 1A car charger in the UK? I tried looking at the HTC ones at expansys but wasn't sure which were official and which weren't. Thanks

Yeah, a link for a good charger in The Netherland would be apriciated as well!
Thank in advance.

The official HTC car charger
for NL: http://www.expansys.nl/p.aspx?i=145177
for UK: http://www.expansys.com/p.aspx?i=145177

yaughan said:
Would anyone please care to post a direct link to a fast 1A car charger in the UK? I tried looking at the HTC ones at expansys but wasn't sure which were official and which weren't. Thanks
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The Brodit mount has car charging built in and is also extremely sturdy. Available from Brodit dealers

dieterpapa said:
Hi commumity,
was using my Ameo today in my car. BT and phone activated, screen maximum brightness.
I have a 12V / 230V converter installed providing 160W continously. While using phone and contacts throughout the day, battery power dropped more and mmre though my device was connected to power supply. In the afternoon it ran out of power starting with loosing the connection to vodafone.
Who has similar experiences, who has a better way of charging in car?
best regards
dieter
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I have seen the ameo using over 1.2A
Device turning to hot to handle...
But then again mineis back with T-mobile for repairs...
Wich sucks bigtime
had the device 1 week
T-mobile has it 3 weeks
Told me it would take 2-3 weeks, now they say they don't know when it will be ready

Beware Everyone !! Brando Cradle !!

I bought a Cradle for my TyTn II from Brando Web site. they are located in Hong Kong. I have been dealing with them since 2000.
they usually provide good service.
However this charger did not work, AC or USB part. I emailed them and they were kind to send me a replacement in 1 week.
Again still not charging or connecting to my computer. I skipped the cradle and tried the USB cable only still not working.
I emailed them back and they want me to ship both units back to them. I understand that there is a problem with certain connections charging or connecting with Kaiser an I tried to tell them that; I don't think they believe me.
Do Not Order this Cradle since it will not work !!
http://mobile.brando.com.hk/prod_detail.php?prod_id=03012&dept_id=039&cat_id=0996

Uh thanks for the warning, I almost bought the same thing.

mdshahed said:
However this charger did not work, AC or USB part. I emailed them and they were kind to send me a replacement in 1 week.
Again still not charging or connecting to my computer. I skipped the cradle and tried the USB cable only still not working.
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Stupid question, but does your Kaiser connect to your computer with ANY USB cable? I'm using a cradle (from Talkietech.com) which looks identical to that one with no problems at all. Works with both a USB connection (though I re-used an existing cable) and just with the wall power plug.
If the provided USB cable isn't working, try one which you know works....
Richard

It's not only the USB cable but also the charger included.
any other USB cable works on my computer though.
Brando contacted me again yesterday they will send me a third unit. I will post once I get the third unit.
cheers.

Also returned one of these for same reason
I returned one for replacement because the led lamp was blinking like crazy. The replacement connects to my usb alright but I have not done any extensive testing of the charging performance.
Inserting the phone is also fibbly because the slot is so wide, you need to take aim and align phone before inserting. This is a real bother. Do not buy it

I bought a Boxwave cradle for a 8525 and it's light blinked and failed within hours, I returned it.

mdshahed said:
I bought a Cradle for my TyTn II from Brando Web site. they are located in Hong Kong. I have been dealing with them since 2000.
they usually provide good service.
However this charger did not work, AC or USB part. I emailed them and they were kind to send me a replacement in 1 week.
Again still not charging or connecting to my computer. I skipped the cradle and tried the USB cable only still not working.
I emailed them back and they want me to ship both units back to them. I understand that there is a problem with certain connections charging or connecting with Kaiser an I tried to tell them that; I don't think they believe me.
Do Not Order this Cradle since it will not work !!
http://mobile.brando.com.hk/prod_detail.php?prod_id=03012&dept_id=039&cat_id=0996
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I think all these cradles (Kigidi, mobile planet, Brando) are all from the original manufacturer. They do work, but not out of the box. You have to shift the battery around left to right while inserting them to have the contacts line up properly. Cheap quality.

I bought a cradle that looks exactly like that one off eBay. But it came with a second battery for Brando's price for just the cradle alone. I've been using mine for a little over a month, and am very happy with it. The USB cable only serves for charging and connecting to a pc. To charge the second battery in the charger 'tray', the AC power adapter must be plugged in as well.
Mine also has the tricky alignment issue when inserting the kaiser, but I'm used to it. Also because of the position of the kaiser's stylus, there's no access when cradled, so I rigged a mount on the side of the cradle for a spare stylus.
Hands down the best thing about my cradle is the charger tray and second battery. It's so nice to have a fully charged battery available at any time for a quick swap. The battery that was included is only 1300 mAh, opposed to the stock 1350 mAh battery, but it fits perfectly, and I I don't find the 50 mAh difference noticeable. And considering the $24 price tag fI paid for battery and dock, it seems a steal. At this point there's no way I'm going to shell out $50 for the 1650 mAh batteries now available, but If I din't have the dock and second battery I probably would have.
I see that the pricing is up $5, still a deal:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...tToStoreCat&refwidgettype=cross_promot_widget

brando.com shipping
This is unrelated to the topic, but I was going to order from Brando.com and was wondering how long the shipping took. It says 7-20 business days, and I was hoping it would be on the shorter end of that. (shipping to PA)

Almost every charger didnt work with my TyTn II (after I burnt up mine original one on UPS). I just went to market, looked for highest wattage supplying adapter and it was LG's 5.2Volt 5W adapter. And it recharges my TyTn II like a charm. There is something bad with recharging TyTn II.
The old motorola charger and such going-around-boozo's worked with my Vox and Excalibur but not this beast.
Interesting

i have had one of these for over 2 years. its on my desk at work. the original mains adapter packed up a long time ago and i have an old tandy one attached now. does have the random blinking lights with phone and spare battery connected, but it works.
as said before, cheap design but very handy to charge phone and battery together.
just have to be a bit lucky when you buy i guess.
despite title, i would say buy.
@dark_prince: could be the charging socket in the phone is wearing and needs bit more power to kick it in. have you tried to clean inside socket with compressed air and contact cleaner, might help.
but maybe we just have to accept that our phones are really old now and dont work as well as they used to (i know the feeling)