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I-mate PDA2 Short battery life issue.

i have just purchased imate pda2(equivilent to O2 xdaIIi) and with a very minmum use after the full charge all the battery drains in just 8 hours ..Is this the normal battery life or its the fault of battery?
ROM version=1.11.00 WWE
ROM date 01/27/05
Radio Version=1.02.00
Protocol Version=1337.42
ExtROM version =1.11.144 WWE
Battery is PH17C 3.7VDC 1300mAH
I am confused about ROM size my hadware info shows..RAM 128mb Flash size 64mb....
does flash size means ROM?
but there is written 128mb ROM on booklets but it shows 64mb why>?
kindly help :shock:

I just recently bought a PDA2 as well, and experienced the same battery life problem. after running it down to less than 10% battery, then charging it back up to 100% a few times tho, the battery life appears to have strengthened a bit.
although i had a relapse last night, it was on 34% battery, i turned on flight mode, and then put it into standby mode. i woke up 7 hours later to find it on 9% battery! on my old XDA II, it would lose maybe 1% battery overnight with flight mode on. I'm going to keep testing this though.
as for the rom, as far as i know, rom = flash. the pda2's only have 64mb of rom or flash, whereas the xda IIi's have 128mb. as far as i can tell, this is the only hardware difference between the two devices.
hmm.. i just checked out the PDA2 website, and you're right, it says 128mb of rom. i've read elsewhere that it was only 64mb of rom tho, and thats what it says in my device information page as well... and i could have sworn that the above page used to say 64mb of rom..... very strange

omniwolf said:
I just recently bought a PDA2 as well, and experienced the same battery life problem. after running it down to less than 10% battery, then charging it back up to 100% a few times tho, the battery life appears to have strengthened a bit.
although i had a relapse last night, it was on 34% battery, i turned on flight mode, and then put it into standby mode. i woke up 7 hours later to find it on 9% battery! on my old XDA II, it would lose maybe 1% battery overnight with flight mode on. I'm going to keep testing this though.
as for the rom, as far as i know, rom = flash. the pda2's only have 64mb of rom or flash, whereas the xda IIi's have 128mb. as far as i can tell, this is the only hardware difference between the two devices.
hmm.. i just checked out the PDA2 website, and you're right, it says 128mb of rom. i've read elsewhere that it was only 64mb of rom tho, and thats what it says in my device information page as well... and i could have sworn that the above page used to say 64mb of rom..... very strange
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The perils of assuming the same radio stack works correctly across the globe with all operators!
Case in point - Xda II 1.66 rom worked brilliantly in UK, and sucked the battery dead in 8 hours in Germany. Why? because the german network had different settings for paging the handset
I'd say you've got a valid case to:
- Tell Imate to f*cking fix the problem
- Downgrade the Radio stack to another build and see what happens
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'scuse me for butting in...
Guys
I've been having really big problems with my battery too on my XDAIIi. You might care to look at the log I kept of the battery over the course of a day here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=22468&highlight=

Southern_Man said:
omniwolf said:
I just recently bought a PDA2 as well, and experienced the same battery life problem. after running it down to less than 10% battery, then charging it back up to 100% a few times tho, the battery life appears to have strengthened a bit.
although i had a relapse last night, it was on 34% battery, i turned on flight mode, and then put it into standby mode. i woke up 7 hours later to find it on 9% battery! on my old XDA II, it would lose maybe 1% battery overnight with flight mode on. I'm going to keep testing this though.
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The perils of assuming the same radio stack works correctly across the globe with all operators!
Case in point - Xda II 1.66 rom worked brilliantly in UK, and sucked the battery dead in 8 hours in Germany. Why? because the german network had different settings for paging the handset
I'd say you've got a valid case to:
- Tell Imate to f*cking fix the problem
- Downgrade the Radio stack to another build and see what happens
:wink:
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well i had flight mode ON, which means the aerial is turned off.. so i don't really see how the operator settings will affect it...?
i checked how i went last night, again turning the phone off (flight mode on), and sleeping for about 8 hours. my battery life had only dropped 3% which is much better, it went from 81% to 78%.
its an interesting thought about the paging settings though, when i finally sort out my login to the i-mate forums, i may have a look around for that.
stevep, yes i remember reading your thread a few days ago.. unfortunately it doesn't seem like you came across any sort of solution..

battery XDAIIi
Hi all
You're right, there was no solution. I had the device replaced three times and the battery twice. I can conclude that it's definitley a feature of the device. I don't what's draining it (nor do o2). I had the problem escalated at o2 and although they were very helpful, they didn't really come up wiuth a solution, which is disappointing! My main issue was mostly about how long it took for o2 to admit it's a problem. The normal 'change this', 'hard reset', deinstal/reinstal everythig' etc etc just seemed to be their way of 'getting off the hook' (sorry o2) and concluding that it must be something that I've installed on the device
I was getting to the point of thinking about reporting it tomTradining Standards here in the UK because 8 hours or less (to me) doesn't make it 'fit for purpose'...but in the end I didn't because it felt that it wasn't a strong enough case to argue. Now I just carry a spare charged up battery
Steve

i work an office job, so i have mine cradled most of the day, but the weekends is where it gets tested. we'll see how it goes this weekend. on the xda II i usually had about 30% battery left on sunday night.. last weekend (the first weekend i had it, i got it the thursday before) it barely lasted one night.

IS THERE ANY SOLLUTION??
So whats the solution? ....This much less battery time does,nt serve the purpose for me ....i always have my nokia handset with me bec pda2 battery goes dead in 6 hours when i am at work...i am seriously thinking to sell PDA2...it would have been better that i should have purchased PDA2k.i post a query to imate technical support they replied that give a hard reset to ur device and see ...but nothing happened..the guy said he is forwarding my query to technical deptt lets see what they say....
In short i am really disappointed after spending so much money what i got?...if the battery time is less pda2 is of no use for me.

The solution
Hi all - After long conversations with O2, I conclude that there is no solution (apart from always carry a spare battery). I'm really disappointed too! More so, because O2 constantly said my PDA was 'not right' and they kept swapping it out for anew one...

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stevep said:
Hi all - After long conversations with O2, I conclude that there is no solution (apart from always carry a spare battery). I'm really disappointed too! More so, because O2 constantly said my PDA was 'not right' and they kept swapping it out for anew one...
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just a thought, have you turned turbo omode on? because that will definetly suck the battery?
also, turn down the backlight settings....

Battery
Hi SouthernMan
Yep Turbo off and backlight set to minimum (plus all the other tweaks that drain the baterry are 'off' or set to their lowest

right now im hoping they're going to release a new ROM that will magically fix everything.. because i can't see it as being a problem with something we're doing.. it must be the device.

Battery
Hi OmniWolf
I agree 1000% That's what I kept telling O2, but they insisted
1. it was the device (changed it twice, made no difference)
2. it was the battery (changed it three times, made no difference)
3. It was some software I was running (took all progs off one by one, took ages, made no difference
((
S

well hopefully they'll get enough support calls that they start looking at the problem seriously

I REALLY hope so! it's a great device...but I can't get through a business day without having to recharge it. Mainly that's not as problem, but just occasionally, I have to work a day when there's no access to any charging facilities...and if you couple that with going out after work for a few drinks, the PDA is completely dead by the time I get home
I found that mine was draining at a rate of 8-10% per hour

Dear All,
Battery usage time is really one of the big concern for heavy duty user.
But O2 seems don't have any solution for the buyer. Buying a spare battery seems to be the only one solution....

I know you recommended buying a spare, but a more powerful battery that get you through the business day is a better solution in my book!
Hey I saw from Blue Angel thread you guys (Mugen) have battery for IIs.
So.... do you have higher capacity batteries for XDA II and IIi?
From myxda site I think they use the same battery.

think i might invest in sprite backup actually..

A disapointing end with pda2
Atlast after getting no reply from imate customer support(they just said give it a hard reset which had no effect on battery life) i sold my pda2 which had 4 hours of total call time at a loss of 180$...there is no big market for pdas in pakistan.
I was never expecting a well reputed device costing 800$ with such a major flaw... imate and o2 should be questioned in court y they bought a pda in market with a major flaw.

is it... the battery?!?!

I'm at a loss.
A week ago, phone started random resets and looping resets - usually when using a significant resource (i.e. camera, web).
I removed everything, reflashed rom, reflashed the Cingular rom etc. to no avail - same problem.
Today, I'm running the bare bones cingular rom without add ons. Seems like I'm doing fine - battery down to about 88% at 5pm which seems okay (I push mail from the exchange server). I take a picture with the camera and go to send it via email and the phone starts looping resets. I soft reset and I get a low battery message - 12%. I went from 88% to 12% in about two minutes.
Any expert opinions? Is it just the battery or is my phone turning into a brick?
Thank in advance.
Sincerely,
Jonathan

First off how old is the phone? It could be time to get a NEW battery.. these batteries have shelf lifes.. lol.. there days are numbered.

Phone is about 1.5 years old.

Update:
Interesting update:
Powered the phone off to pull the battery and check it out as I am looking for a new battery on ebay.
When I power the phone up, it now says battery is at 67%
- this makes me concerned that there is a hardware problem with the power management system in the phone...
thoughts?

"bump"
Any help, all. I would really appreciate your insight.

I'd start by buying a new battery. 1.5 years is a long time for a rechargable battery.

I am having the EXACT same problem.
I even bought an OEM Sanyo on eBay. No change. Then, I complained to Cingular and they replaced the phone (it took a LOT of complaining).
I put the new battery in the new phone, totally vanilla install. It worked great for a couple of hours, then the problems started happening again.
WTF? New phone, new battery and it's still happening.

Yeah - probably no way any level of complaining is going to score me a new phone from Cingular because of the age. I have a new battery on the way, but I am worried that it might be something with the charging circuit or something. Wish somebody with some expertise would speak up on this...

If you are lucky: they sell extended batteries on eBay. I bought me one for my TMO USA VARIO. The stand-by times are really amazing!
In case you consider to buy an extended one make sure that it comes with the battery door as pictured at the link below!
In general the prices on eBay are very low, so, if you are planning to keep your phone a bit longer you might want to buy 2 or 3 batteries at once? (Saves shipping and I really expect that the batteries will soon not be available any longer since the WIZ is discontinued.)
Link to eBay item:
http://cgi.ebay.com/For-Cingular-81...ryZ15034QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

I had this problem. Looping reboots, might work for 5 minutes but then a constant cycle of reboots. Mine is a years and 2 months old.
I though it was the phone and was ready to ditch it. The battery showed a good charge.
I bought a OEM battery off of eBay for 10 bucks and the phone has not had one issue since.
No question it was the battery in my case.

Excellent. Thanks for the response. New battery was purchased last week and should be here soon, so I'll let you know how that turns out.
Might also take a look at the extended battery - seems like a neat feature, although it looks like it would keep the phone from fitting in my car stand (I use tomtom with it).
I'll post a reply when I find out if it is indeed the battery.
Thanks again.

Its a battery issue.
I had this problem before.
I would charge my phone using some 3rd party cradle and some how it screws my battery up.
for exmaple. The phone would say the battery is fully charged. but when i use it. the phone only lasts 5 mins.
after awhile. not matter how i charge the battery the battery never went to it's full charge. and like you, it keeps looping.
this was an OEM battery that i had for less then a year.
i got a random cheap battery off ebay to test it. and now it works fine.
i threw out the old battery.

UPSATE
UPDATE: It was..... the battery. Easy OEM replacement off ebay for less than 5 bucks. Running like a champ again. Thanks for the insight. Hopefully this helps someone else in the future.
Cheers!
- JB

Battery life fix??

Hi everyone,
I don't really post much on here, but I've been lurking around for ages & finding this place very useful for modding my MDA Compact II. Thanks for that!
I've been looking for a while for some sort of battery fix?
I've had the same battery for about a year now & decided that it was time for a new one. So I got myself one ordered from T-Mobile in the US & had it shipped over (not cheap!).
I put it in my phone & charged it for 48 hours then started to use it, unfortunately it only lasted about 6 hours!? So I contacted T-Mobile & they sent me a new one.... Same problem!?
So I'm beginning to think its the SW?
I'm running the new HTC Touchflow OS with a few other bells & whistles!
Can anybody suggest a fix please! I don't want to have to buy a new one!
Thanks.

Who told you to charge it for 48 hours? That doesnt even make sense with this kind of battery. Try to discharge it and charge it to 100% again.

Yeah strange hey?
Yeah I've tried that a few times but still the same rubbish battery life??
The battery is a PM16A if that helps??

I read somewhere a while back (Probably here), that your battery life could be affected when you update the ROM? IE: If it is not fully charged when you update.
Is this the case, is there a WM6 fix for this??
Thanks....

Its doubtful to be a software problem. You can of course try flashing to WM5, then again to WM6, see if it helps.

i9500 huge battery problem

Hello everybody,
I have searched a lot on this forum, but I could not find this exact problem and I am getting very frustrated. I had this phone since mid September. The phone is not rooted.
Battery life was great for the first 3 months, than something weird started to happen. I also upgraded to 4.3, because I have the gear, but I do not think this is the main issue.
When the battery is fully charged, it drains more quickly than before and from my understandin looking around Internet, this could be because of 4.3. Ok, but it is not all.
When the battery reaches 40%, it starts draining super fast, like 15% per hour without doing anything. When it reaches 20% the phone becomes really hot and if I reboot it goes into a boot loop and battery goes instantly to 0%. If i plug in the chargher, it doesn't aknowledge it and does not charge. In order to fix it, I have to remove the battery and start charging. Now I can do it with phone on or off but the phone starts to charge super fast, definitively not normal. it goes from 0 to 10% in two minutes and keeps charghing super fast till it reaches about 50%, then it starts to cool off and charges more or less at a normal speed.
Today I unplug it when it reached 50% because I wanted to look at the battery SN, as I read there are faulty batteries starting with BD and mine does too. I tried to see if it is swalled, but it is hard to say without a good one to compare. Well, when I put the battery back in and turn the phone on, the indicator showed 80%!
I am very confused, as there are many factors involved. I read that 4.3 has some issues, I read there are faulty batteries, I read that many people tried to solve with calibration, but other people say it is useless on S4...
Would you mind sharing some thoughts?
Thank you very much!
I wanted to add my batter SN is BD1D606XX. According to this post http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2504093
it shuldn't be faulty...

Change the battery. Batteries are cheap. Only tc dont buy again one with serial starting for BD :highfive:

Thanks for the quick answers. I live in Thailand, I bet all the batteries here comes from China and starts with BD. Are you positive it is the battery?

rogerpilly said:
Thanks for the quick answers. I live in Thailand, I bet all the batteries here comes from China and starts with BD. Are you positive it is the battery?
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I was having the exact same issues and replacing battery solved everything. If you live near a Samsung service centre they should be able to do a swap for you with no bother. Samsung are aware of this issue and should not give you a battery with the same serial at the service centre. Obviously if you order a battery through a third-party supplier you will have to be a little more careful, but if you mention the issue at time of ordering you should be ok!
Best of luck :good::good:

Thank you. Yes, I live close to a Smsung service Center. I had already brought it in because it had stopped charghing, maybe USB ribbon. They fixed it in 1 day under warranty, so I will try to have the battery replaced under warranty. Worst case scenario, I will buy a new one, it is not expensive, but I want to find a different batch!!!

rogerpilly said:
Thank you. Yes, I live close to a Smsung service Center. I had already brought it in because it had stopped charghing, maybe USB ribbon. They fixed it in 1 day under warranty, so I will try to have the battery replaced under warranty. Worst case scenario, I will buy a new one, it is not expensive, but I want to find a different batch!!!
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I could be wrong, but as far as I'm aware the faulty batteries only shipped in the boxes with the handsets :good:

rogerpilly said:
Thanks for the quick answers. I live in Thailand, I bet all the batteries here comes from China and starts with BD. Are you positive it is the battery?
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Buy batteries no from China for be safe. I was buying this one and im very happy: HERE

So what's dead / dying in my 6P

This happened to me today while browsing facebook.
My phone suddenly shut down. While trying to turn on, it would get to booting screen and then shut down again. It didn't loop - I had to try each time manually.
I cleared cache and reset it to factory settings to no avail. BUT once I got back home and managed to connect it to a charger (the battery was at estimated 90% capacity), everything runs smoothly. No shutdowns, no freezes - despite the phone getting warm. I stressed it quite a lot and it seems to hold, so I don't think this is related to the "bigger" CPU.
Could it possibly be a battery issue? Could my device be misreading the actual capacity of the battery?
As a sidenote: it did crash/shutdown once I disconnected the charger, but only after 20 minutes or so when I uninstalled a running at that time app.
Any feedback will be greatly appreciated, so I have something to work with and replace stuff accordingly - and hopefully not the entire phone, as I love my 6P.

It seems like it has to be connected to the battery, as it has been now holding (presumably) at 56% charge for over 4 (!) hours. AccuBattery shows the same data as what the phone reads, and now it seems that my power drain is in negative without charging the phone.
Sadly, there are no original replacements available in my country. Only cheap 3550mAh knockoffs that sellers call OEM. They do have Huawei logo, but everyone knows that 3450mAh is the only original capacity (right?)

Update: Nearly 20 hours on the same displayed 56% capacity.
Any help? Please?

No, you are wrong. Those 3550mAh batterys are the brand new ones from huawei. Those are the newest revision of the battery. Dont get the 3450 ones. If the seller is really selling a 3450mAh one, then its probably one of the old ones with the known issues.

ncc8uetou5et said:
No, you are wrong. Those 3550mAh batterys are the brand new ones from huawei. Those are the newest revision of the battery. Dont get the 3450 ones. If the seller is really selling a 3450mAh one, then its probably one of the old ones with the known issues.
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Thanks for the heads-up. Just out of curiosity - how do you know that? When I contacted Huawei support, they did not answer me whether the 3550mah bat is a genuine product, or a farce. They avoided that question until they force-closed my support ticket without a proper answer.

First: Because i bought one and informed myself before. Then the new battery ran better then ever before. Even better then when the nexus 6p was new. Its the new batch that is better then ever before.
Second: you can read more about this topic in the correct forum thread about that: https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=78453441&postcount=1023
The thickness of the cable does not matter that much. Something you can care about is the weight. But this is something you can check when you got the new battery and also took the old one out.
To have longer battery life dont use the original charger. Use max a 5V 2A one. For example from a older Samsung mobile phone. Those have good electrical efficiency.

ncc8uetou5et said:
First: Because i bought one and informed myself before. Then the new battery ran better then ever before. Even better then when the nexus 6p was new. Its the new batch that is better then ever before.
Second: you can read more about this topic in the correct forum thread about that: https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=78453441&postcount=1023
The thickness of the cable does not matter that much. Something you can care about is the weight. But this is something you can check when you got the new battery and also took the old one out.
To have longer battery life dont use the original charger. Use max a 5V 2A one. For example from a older Samsung mobile phone. Those have good electrical efficiency.
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Thanks again.
For the 3 years I've bee using my 6P I never had battery life issues. In fact, even now the battery is holding well, despite the stats showing that my battery might be dying.
I came to this forum section looking for feedback on what could possibly be going on with my phone presenting the issues I am having. I am no mobile tech unlike many of guys around here. I might budge then and hope that the local Huawei repair center in my city will be of more help than the official Huawei support.