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Not sure if there will be anymore ROM updates in 2006. Pretty much manufacturers will concentrate on their new releases.
Yes, when the 1.13 ROM was released, I heard rumours that that was the last update we're getting.
I believe you guys are right, the Magician has reached the end of its life span. But there never was a generic WWE version of the 1.13, only a few localized builds, right? And how about that weird Radio 1.13? It was never used in an official build.
Looks to me like they just suddenly said 'enough is enough' and then pulled the plug on the Magician...
Am I missing something ?
Hiya,
I saw you guys talking about Rom v1.13 and as far as I know, there is only Rom v1.12 WWE.
Is there any new release ?
Regards,
Bright Star
What exactly do you want? My 1.12 Rom together with the Radio 1.13 works just perfectly, nothing to complain about. Why people always want updates just for the updates' sake? I think we should be happy that we got such a good support for the Magician in the past - this is not common with all Pocket Pcs. I am completely satisfied with my Magician and the current software.
What exactly do you want? My 1.12 Rom together with the Radio 1.13 works just perfectly, nothing to complain about. Why people always want updates just for the updates' sake? I think we should be happy that we got such a good support for the Magician in the past - this is not common with all Pocket Pcs. I am completely satisfied with my Magician and the current software.
So ****ing true!
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Hiya,
I saw you guys talking about Rom v1.13 and as far as I know, there is only Rom v1.12 WWE.
Is there any new release ?
Regards,
Bright Star
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Check the ftp or http://www.t-mobile.nl/zakelijk/htdocs/page/service/mda_compact_upgrade.asp
It's complete with radio 1.12 & BB support in the ext-rom.
Cheers, M
The Magician still has a lot of bugs. The more you push your device, the more bugs you will find. Just check around and you will know. But there's also quite a few silly bugs, that should have been fixed ages ago.
For example:
1. A generic bug that everyone have (to the best of my knowledge): if you are in the inbox while receiving a message, the envelope at the top of the screen will have to be removed manually, since it doesn't go away automatically after you have read the message.
2. A more specific bug. I believe this one is related to the setup of your telephony provider, but I am not quite sure. Still, it is a Magician-only bug: After a reboot, a text message will have to be received before the device is 100% logged onto the network. Until then calls can't go through, but are automatically transferred to voice mail. I have this specific bug and replacing the handset didn't help. Neither did upgrading the ROM.
So saying that ppl want updates just for the updates sake, simply isn't true.
HBK said:
The Magician still has a lot of bugs. The more you push your device, the more bugs you will find. Just check around and you will know. But there's also quite a few silly bugs, that should have been fixed ages ago.
For example:
1. A generic bug that everyone have (to the best of my knowledge): if you are in the inbox while receiving a message, the envelope at the top of the screen will have to be removed manually, since it doesn't go away automatically after you have read the message.
2. A more specific bug. I believe this one is related to the setup of your telephony provider, but I am not quite sure. Still, it is a Magician-only bug: After a reboot, a text message will have to be received before the device is 100% logged onto the network. Until then calls can't go through, but are automatically transferred to voice mail. I have this specific bug and replacing the handset didn't help. Neither did upgrading the ROM.
So saying that ppl want updates just for the updates sake, simply isn't true.
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1. Cant say I've noticed.
2. Does not happen with me.
Same to me, the camera annoys me more.
Overall this is the best device I ever had.
Regards, M
HBK said:
The Magician still has a lot of bugs. The more you push your device, the more bugs you will find. Just check around and you will know. But there's also quite a few silly bugs, that should have been fixed ages ago.
For example:
1. A generic bug that everyone have (to the best of my knowledge): if you are in the inbox while receiving a message, the envelope at the top of the screen will have to be removed manually, since it doesn't go away automatically after you have read the message.
2. A more specific bug. I believe this one is related to the setup of your telephony provider, but I am not quite sure. Still, it is a Magician-only bug: After a reboot, a text message will have to be received before the device is 100% logged onto the network. Until then calls can't go through, but are automatically transferred to voice mail. I have this specific bug and replacing the handset didn't help. Neither did upgrading the ROM.
So saying that ppl want updates just for the updates sake, simply isn't true.
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1. I haven't noticed this.
2. This doesn't happen with mine.
Jeez, guys! Just because you haven't 'noticed' something, doesn't mean it isn't there! I have been a software developer and professional bug hunter since 1996, so I notice these things, simply because it's my job.
It's also my job to narrow down the bug as much as possible, and in case of bug #2, I can tell you it's related to the Magician being listed as 'busy' on some centrals until the first message is received. So for those of you on centrals with this problem (Ericsson?), just disable the 'forward on busy' setting and you should be ok...
HBK, have you seen any other people on other providers have this bug? I've never heard of it.
The message icon I know only too well, though. It annoys me but it's not a huge issue.
I'm still on 1.11WWE with radio 1.13. Haven't felt a need to upgrade to 1.12 or even the T-mobile (or whatever) 1.13.
I run heaps of programs, many made by small developers that can be a little unstable and not install too neatly but aI gotta say that the operating system isn't bad compared to Microsoft's usual standard of bugs. You just gotta take a look at the latest WMF exploit in XP, 2000 SP4 etc. They'll never get that operating system right! Ok, so can't really compare the 2 but I can't say something good about Microsoft without bashing them in the same post! That's just not me!
HBK,
No offence, but error 2 seems to be very specific though must be highly irritating when you have it. Course there are many bugs, some M$ , some Magician related. Guess we all have to live with them forever, development won't ever be faultless due to several money related aspects of which I'm sure you will encounter in your work too.
Bottomline: my Nokia's have been much more stable & reliable. My Magician is much more capable & fun and my greatest irritation is the number of soft-resets a day due to a hanging camera app. or memory leaks. Sure it's partially all my third party apps & it's a (P)PC with a M$ OS, so I won't recommend a PPC to someone who just wants a phone with some extra's. Much to unreliable/unstable/frustrating. To me it's a hobby & I can live with it. When a patch comes along I try it & judge for myself. Still I'm quite happy with it.
Can't really make out if you're pissed or not (think not), if you are pls try to relax &, I know it's difficult, try to forget your work a bit & have fun with your magician it is possible ;-)
Cheers, M
@jimmy-bish
Actually, I have heard of a few other ppl here in DK having this problem, but it is very rare. That is also the reason why everyone, including the (German) technician who worked on my Magician, thought it was a hardware bug and replaced the motherboard. This means that now I only have the cover left of my original Magician, the rest has been replaced, but still the problem remains...
I have given up on Radio 1.13, since is was never officially released. Instead I am running the latest NL release of 1.13 with Radio 1.12 and Big Storage. Only the MMS part of the Ext. ROM is installed. All in all I believe this to be the best solution, running the latest released software with as few addons as possible.
MS is like a woman: you can't live with MS, and you can't live without! Even though they create heaps of problems, I sure am happy they are here, providing a lot of software we use everyday.
@oltp
Yes, it IS very specific. But please notice that I am not running my Magician on some home made network. I am a costumer of the largest mobile telephony provider in Denmark. This means that they run officially released software on their centrals and thus each and every phone released should be able to run on it, without any exception. Of course it is the responsibility of the phone manufacturer to make sure their product runs under all normally occuring circumstances and in this case, they have failed to do so. So there you have it, a bug in the Magician.
No, I am not pissed off. Although a bit frustrated, perhaps
I can confirm that both bugs exist and still.
You still have to seperate between bugs that are caused by the OS and cannot be corrected by manufacturer specific updates and bugs that are caused by the hardware, which certainly also cannot be corrected by an update. Besides that both bugs don't sound anywhere severe to me, the first one must be OS specific, the second one - well, I didn't ever realize it and never had this behavior. My device logs into the network without problems and without having to receive any messages. I never heard about or experienced myself problems with incoming calls.
I would recommend everyone to use Radio 1.13 since 1.12 was really crappy and 1.13 made a big difference for me and many others. Since that version, I don't have anything to complain about anymore.
dandie, what specific issues did the Radio 1.13 solve for you?
Please notice that the two bugs mentioned were only used as examples. They were just on top of my head. I believe a good handfull of other bugs are already described on this forum. No doubt a lot of people experience other bugs every day, but just aren't as loud about it.
@Dandie
Of course both bugs are Magician specific, or they would have been well known on all MS Mobile sites, regardles of devices. Just like the one with the SD card being deleted by WM2003SE, from time to time.
What do you mean that it isn't a severe problem if you can't receive calls on your phone? Are you kidding?
In many countries, including Denmark, ppl on average send/receive hundreds of messages each month, so bug #1 is a problem many times each day for a lot of us.
So what is a severe problem then? Does the device have to explode in your face on a daily basis or something like that?
I used the Radio 1.13 for several months and even though it seemed ok, it didn't fix any problems. So I went back to the latest Radio released, the 1.12.
Anyone got any Idea of a update for the Hero? Or anything lol
HTC & Sprint need to get off their lagging lazy butts to deliver it, in another words We will have to live with "Patience is a virtue"
A update to what? The phone has only been available on sprint for a couple weeks.
Do you even know the battery drain issue it is having out of the box?
There is a work around for it.
Hopefully we'll see something in the next 30 days or so but don't hold your breathe for a quick fix.
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There is a work around for it.
Hopefully we'll see something in the next 30 days or so but don't hold your breathe for a quick fix.
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Yes Work around was in few hours after i got my device in my hands. It wasn't hard to figure out. Btw i got my Hero on the oct 9th.
The update would be nice so that we too can have access to Market 2.0 and additional applications that are on v1.6
Although an update would be nice, I personally doubt there will be one anytime soon. Sprint rushed this out really quick, proof of the matter is that the unit has Android 1.5 on it. 1.6 is the one that truly has CDMA built in and should take care of some of the issues, but its 2.0 that is the real one to look forward to. At the pace that google is doing, 2.0 will be out soon enough and Sprint might just want to wait out for that update instead of a 1.6 update.
TS
Which that is what they is probably doing is just waiting for 2.0. But think someone could just make a app for all the Not Knowlegded people that dont know how to do the fix. and just make a simple fix app. Who knows. I am still loving the phone
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Which that is what they is probably doing is just waiting for 2.0. But think someone could just make a app for all the Not Knowlegded people that dont know how to do the fix. and just make a simple fix app. Who knows. I am still loving the phone
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what fix?
and sprint doesn't HAVE to do an entire firmware upgrade to fix bugged apps, the voice mail app update popped up once when I did a firmware update check. So as long as there's an update to a certain app, normal means of updating should pick up on it.
Although with my history with sprint, we probably won't see a fix for the battery/memory leak until they roll out 1.6 or 2.0.
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what fix?
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Probably the fix where you kill the dialer and replace the default txt messaging app with a 3rd party one.
There are some pretty extensive howto's that explain the details...
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Probably the fix where you kill the dialer and replace the default txt messaging app with a 3rd party one.
There are some pretty extensive howto's that explain the details...
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that's more of a workaround but whatever. Original comment still remains, they can push a update for just that app without having to wait till 1.6, 2.0 or whatever
http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/26/sense-ui-update-for-htc-magic-makes-the-scene-in-taiwan/
Well they seem to be doing something. Maybe for the hero never know using the same software?
Guess we will find out
workaround for the battery issue
the life of the battery realy sucks, doesn't last a day, is there a workaround for that? can anyone please link to it?
bklynfire said:
the life of the battery realy sucks, doesn't last a day, is there a workaround for that? can anyone please link to it?
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here's what I do, i get pretty excellent battery life actually.
1)download handcent SMS from the market
2)open handcent press menu>settings
3)verify notifications are enabled in handcent
4)open up the native messenger app
5)go to menu>settings disable all check boxes
6)press home>menu>settings>wireless controls>mobile network settins>
7)disable data roaming & enable always on mobile
8)press home>menu>settings>location
9)disable use wireless networks and gps satellites
10)press home>menu>add>htc widgets>settings
11)choose toggles for connection
12)repeat step 10&11 untill all toggles are added to home screen
11)reset phone
if you find it hard to connect at times, to go step 6&7, and enable instead of disable
additional stuff you may or may not want to do (some cost money)
I also went out to seidio and got an slightly extended battery 1750 mah
http://www.seidioonline.com/category-s/3685.htm
1)download openhome full or lite, openhome htc hero skin, & flip clock beta from market
2)press home>menu>settings>applications>manage applications>htc sense> clear defaults
3)press home select "set as default" and press openhome
4)press menu>more>open home settings>
My settings (yours may varry) uncheck the following
persist mode
weather widget
number of screens>your choice, mine is 3
hide addons
workspace gestures
application dock
soft keyboard search
workspace label
5)press menu>more>skins
6)choose htc hero
7)press home>menu>add>widgets>
8)choose flip clock large, and connectivity widget
may change but it's listed as open home widget (it's there i promise)
to revert changes and get back to htc sense (default)
press home>menu>settings>applications>manage applications>open home> clear defaults
press home, check set as default, and choose preferred home app
all these little things and I get about 2-3 days juice with moderate normal use.
Hey guys,
Been lurking for a few weeks, figured it was time to post.
I took my phone into a local sprint store (for the battery/SMS issue, plus an internal hook-up is giving me another battery), and my internal guy said that sprint is sending out an update for at least the battery issue sometime late this week (10/25/09-11/01/09) or early next week. He told me he was waiting on the SD card sprint sends out large updates on. I asked if maybe this was donut and he told me not to hold my breath, but at least the battery issues will be fixed. He also said that sprint HQ is telling the techs that battery life will improve up to 35%.
Cheers,
Matt
Part of the sluggishness in creating updates for the Sprint Hero specifically I think is the fact that the 1.5 ROMS we run now are cobbled together to add CDMA support. Think about it - this is the only currently released HTC Android phone on a CDMA network, guys. Ever. So updating the Sprint Hero ROM to 1.6, which supposedly has built in CDMA support, is going to take longer than for the GSM version which doesn't need to worry about switching over from a homebrew radio support to the new Android-provided support.
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Part of the sluggishness in creating updates for the Sprint Hero specifically I think is the fact that the 1.5 ROMS we run now are cobbled together to add CDMA support. Think about it - this is the only currently released HTC Android phone on a CDMA network, guys. Ever. So updating the Sprint Hero ROM to 1.6, which supposedly has built in CDMA support, is going to take longer than for the GSM version which doesn't need to worry about switching over from a homebrew radio support to the new Android-provided support.
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I'm sorry, I don't mean to bash your comments here. But there's a good chance that the CDMA support in 1.6 was built around the work the google, sprint, and htc engineers all worked together to build. Seeing they have the first CDMA android phone.
I would be VERY surprised if there's a team of cell radio engineers working within google. I'm willing to say with the upmost confidence that the layer in which you think is bugged in the hybrid 1.5(cupcake) will not be fixed with a full android 1.6 (donut) release by it's self.
With the reports that both GSM and CDMA are having problems with receiving sms's, now the problem to the battery leak in the sms application. I'd venture to say it's on HTC (rosie) portion of the code not google's (donut)
I used to have a HTC mogul and it had similar SMS problems, getting double txt's (i even got a couple of them on my hero but ignored it), and expecially awaking from sleep problems... (15 missed calls, never once ringing) I never waited to see these problems fixed and I had that phone for about a year.
I've never in the past had any problems with my LG, SAMSUNG, or SANYO in reference to sms's or power. This is really feeling like a htc specific problem, not a android.
I'm not saying you won't see these fixed in htc's 1.6 hopeful release, if it is fixed it's only because HTC fixed rosie/senseui, not something android did or didn't do correctly.
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Part of the sluggishness in creating updates for the Sprint Hero specifically I think is the fact that the 1.5 ROMS we run now are cobbled together to add CDMA support. Think about it - this is the only currently released HTC Android phone on a CDMA network, guys. Ever. So updating the Sprint Hero ROM to 1.6, which supposedly has built in CDMA support, is going to take longer than for the GSM version which doesn't need to worry about switching over from a homebrew radio support to the new Android-provided support.
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My understanding of the android dev tree is that 1.5, 1.6, and 2.0 are/were at some point being simultaneously developed. I'd be willing to bet that the CDMA drivers/source/etc. that's already in the Sprint Hero is the same stack included in Donut, just compiled with the rest of the 1.5 source.
But I'm not an OS developer, so I don't know if this is exactly how it works.
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I'm sorry, I don't mean to bash your comments here. But there's a good chance that the CDMA support in 1.6 was built around the work the google, sprint, and htc engineers all worked together to build. Seeing they have the first CDMA android phone.
I would be VERY surprised if there's a team of cell radio engineers working within google. I'm willing to say with the upmost confidence that the layer in which you think is bugged in the hybrid 1.5(cupcake) will not be fixed with a full android 1.6 (donut) release by it's self.
With the reports that both GSM and CDMA are having problems with receiving sms's, now the problem to the battery leak in the sms application. I'd venture to say it's on HTC (rosie) portion of the code not google's (donut)
I used to have a HTC mogul and it had similar SMS problems, getting double txt's (i even got a couple of them on my hero but ignored it), and expecially awaking from sleep problems... (15 missed calls, never once ringing) I never waited to see these problems fixed and I had that phone for about a year.
I've never in the past had any problems with my LG, SAMSUNG, or SANYO in reference to sms's or power. This is really feeling like a htc specific problem, not a android.
I'm not saying you won't see these fixed in htc's 1.6 hopeful release, if it is fixed it's only because HTC fixed rosie/senseui, not something android did or didn't do correctly.
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I agree with you - I'm sure it's a problem with HTC's software itself. I was just trying to point out why it's likely taking longer than many would like for HTC to get an update (whether it's still on 1.5+CDMA, 1.6, or to 2.0) is due to the complexity of the situation... we've got a brand new device from a company unfamilar with Android+CDMA running its own custom UI, running an OS that is constantly changing that enables users to customize their running processes endlessly. HTC is really up against a wall in terms of trying to hit fast-moving targets on these updates, I think. Some frustration is warranted, but the phone has been out for 3 weeks now, and who is an early adopter that doesn't expect some bumps in the road?
Hello XDA Team,
Firstly, I want to say a huge thanks to the contributors of this forum as I've silently benefitted from your work over the past year on my previous phone, i900 Omina. Unsurprisingly I'm one of the many people who was tempted by the HD2 as it's effectively everything I always wished the Omnia would be - in principle.
So, I received my HD2 last Tuesday (direct from T-Mobile) and my number was ported from Vodafone on Thursday. After using the phone for a weekend I arranged an exchange as I believed my handset was faulty due to the crackling and resonating sounds from the earpeice. When I searched online I didn't find anyone with a similar complaint so I assumed mine was faulty. The replacement arrived on Tuesday and it's exactly the same, only this time the bottom row of buttons isn't a good a fit as on the first. Small issue that one and not really a deal breaker. A bit more searching and this time round I found the lists of post from people with the same sound quality complaints.
The issues I have with this phone are:
1) The crackling speaker - resonating to people's voices.
2) The SMS functionality, slow loading of messages and formatting bugs with the date stamp for one message overlapping the previous message in a thread, changing text size doesn't apply to every text in a thread.
3) The Contacts app freezes everytime I make a change to a contact, rendering the phone useless for about 30 seconds after each change. This includes when I add someone to the favourites list in Sense.
4)Random slow downs of Sense when hardly anything is running in the background (just Comm Manager)
5) The camera, even with the hotfix still has reddish/pinkish colouring to the middle of the picture
6) videos I recorded with the HD2 won't play on the HD2!!! Eh? What's going on there?????
Now I can accept software issues as I know these will be fixed eventually. My Omnia was a much better phone after a year of owning it than when it was first delivered almost solely down to ROM updates. However I am genuinely concerned that the speaker crackling is a hardware fault and not software, hence never going to improve.
Which brings me to my dilemma. I bought this phone from T-Mobile, which means I have a 7 working day period to return the phone and cancel my contract with no penalty. Today is the last day of that period, so I need to decide today whether to return the phone or to percevere.
I'll add a bit of balance to the dilemma by listing the things I love about the phone, which ultimately are the reasons which I would want to keep it if the issues could be fixed:
1) The screen the screen the screen!!!!!
2) Facebook integration with contacts
3) Great web browsing
4) Good music player & 3.5mm headphone jack
5) 3G, HSDPA and WiFi
6) WinMo so easy to sync with work Outlook and keep my Omnia contacts and SMS history.
7) Slim design, easy to pocket.
There you go, I have until the end of today to make my decision. I honestly don't know what I would replace the HD2 with IF I do decide to return it for good but 18 months if a long time to be using a phone which is supposed to be state of the art but stuggles with some of the fundamental jobs of a mobile phone.
Thanks for your time
DC.
Send it back.
I've had one now for over a month and it's great.
I don't have any of the problems you have.
I did have a slight pink tinge when I focussed at close range on a white sheet. But with the recent hotfix that is much improved. Anyway, I don't often photo white sheets !
I also don't video at all so tried your problem and I can confirm it's super simple to video and then playback (it's offered as an option after the recording is stopped).
I would send it back and ask for a new one and insist on an updated ROM.
Cheesy Dave said:
I've had one now for over a month and it's great.
I don't have any of the problems you have.
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Same here. Sounds like you've just been unlucky and got a bad one, like some others have reported on xda.
Cheesy Dave said:
I would send it back and ask for a new one and insist on an updated ROM.
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I agree with sending it back as faulty. Say you want another two weeks (or however long it is) with the new one as this one has been so faulty you need to re-evaulate when you get the new one whether you want it or not.
As for insisting on an updated ROM, don't even think about saying that to your phone provider. None of them have updated ROMs yet, and probably won't for a long time. They're likely to wait until the majority of bugs are ironed out before going through the lengthy process of "updating" a ROM for their customers. Seriously - just ignore that advice. (No offense meant, Cheesy Dave)
DavidC1980 said:
Hello XDA Team,
Thanks for your time
DC.
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Hi
Instead of writing here your complaints you should have read some of the threads explaining your problems. I advice you to backup your data then hard reset your device and reinstall your programs one by one and eliminate the program which is eating your HD2's memory. At least half of your problem will be gone after hard reset.
i am using HD2 for a month now and resolved 90% problems came with it.
Good Luck
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Seriously - just ignore that advice. (No offense meant, Cheesy Dave)
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None taken !
Probably if you spoke to the local phone rep and said "ROM" they would be most confused !
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None taken !
Probably if you spoke to the local phone rep and said "ROM" they would be most confused !
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I'm sure they'd advise you on a massive 32MB ROM SD card that you could put in and store all your music and video on.
sabes143 said:
Hi
Instead of writing here your complaints you should have read some of the threads explaining your problems. I advice you to backup your data then hard reset your device and reinstall your programs one by one and eliminate the program which is eating your HD2's memory. At least half of your problem will be gone after hard reset.
i am using HD2 for a month now and resolved 90% problems came with it.
Good Luck
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Oh I've been reading the threads here non stop and have hard reset the phone three times since receiving it. The only programs I've installed are BSB tweaks and the YouTube app which T-Mobile has removed. Otherwise it's untouched.
My main issue is the crackling speaker, which if you read my post you'd see that I'm happy to wait to sort all the software issues out over time, but hardware issues are different.
My problem is that T-mobile will not do another exchange. They will only give me one chance to exchange then it's either cancel or keep. As I'm on my 2nd handset already, it means I have to make that decision today.
I know some of you hate to see posts from people who are considering ditching their HD2, but that's the reality. We exist. I'm an existing WinMo user too, not even one of the iphone brigade.
I can imagine the issues you're having are annoying and I must admit I've also experienced some of them.
1) Crackling: not a problem for me. I use a bluetooth headset (plus I'm a a bit deaf anyway) so I don't notice any crackling. Have you tried a headset? Any headset? Does it still occur or is the problem only from the external speaker and earpiece? I know others have complained about the volume but thought it was fixed in a newer ROM
2) Messages loading: yes, a real pain. Have you tried the workaround which is to click "Send" as soon as the messages start loading, then click "No" when prompted to send an empty message?
3) Contacts: I haven't had this problem, but then I haven't added users to any groups as they were already set up on my X1.
4) Random Slowdowns: yes, I must admit, this happens to me from time to time. Although you might think that nothing is running there are some processes that aren't visible by default that may be consuming the CPU's time.
I've been using Leo ROMs for quite a while now and if you think it's bad on the HD2 you should've tried it on the X1 to really appreciate the speed and stability of the Leo. OK, perhaps not an acceptable answer for you but some things you just have to put up with and blame not on the phone but the underlying OS (yes, Windows!!)
5) Camera: I've noticed the pink tint too even after installing the hotfix. Annoying, to say the least!
6) Camcorder playback: Works for me!!
The camcorder issue must be 1.43 T-Mob rom related. This new handset has the same problem as the 1st one. It will record video, but won't playback.
I also have annoying freezing when I try to do the simplest of tasks, like emptying the deleted messages folder in the SMS app, to the point where the back cover comes off and the reset button has to be pressed.
BUT, when it works properly I love this phone. I guess if I keep it I'll be flashing new ROMs like there's no tomorrow. Obviously I haven't done that yet as I can't risk breaking the warranty on a phone which I may return.
Get it on O2 and apply the hotfixes... seems to be the better rom
Sod it, I'm keeping the phone. There's nothing else on the market that interests me, and no reason to think that the hardware on the upcoming Nexus will be any better if it's also an HTC handset.
I've got an SD card primed with Goldcard and 1.61.....I'm not gonna take the plunge just yet, but I've read some of the positive feedback on the newer ROMs. Once I've given up on T-Mobile releasing a newer ROM, then I'll get flashing.
DavidC1980 said:
.....Sod it, I'm keeping the phone. There's nothing else on the market that interests me,.
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Good decision chap. Just take the time to apply the fixes and you should be there.
Cheers
WB
It wouldn't surprise me if HTC haven't already got their sights on another ROM which has all hotfixes plus the one they are working on for the SMS fix that doesn't work, a hotfix to fix a hotfix lol.
Eventually they could even release android for it, why not? the hardware is what is keeping me glued to my phone, its ace. they owe it to us!
If it's O2 then you do get leeway (or used to) with regards to what you report as bugs and what they'll do or at least they used to.
When HTC Universal came out that was riddled with bugs and even the phone app didn't work properly (nearly put me off winmo phones for life, HD2 has been my first since) so anyway I called up after the 7 days said look I love the phone but these bugs are killing me. So they sent me another one which I tried and found the same bugs with, so they let me get a different model instead, and this was WAAAAY outside the usual 7 days because the phone was faulty. The 7 day rule is really there for if you get it and you just don't like it, not because it has issues, if it has issues then different more lenient policies apply.
My suggestion would be do the same tell them about the crackling etc and other bugs and get them to send you another, if it's still got the same issues then you've still got the option to swap.
Also without going into too much detail take your time sending yours back, you might find they'll let you keep hold of it for longer then you'd think
I was on the phone with T-Mobile Support (611), regarding my HD2 and the issues that I am still having with this device. The rep. stated that T-Mobile is aware of the issues on the phone and that the 1st ROM update did not resolve them all and caused some new ones.
She stated specifically this new update would resolve the issue of the device hanging after you try to wake up the phone...also, the "unreliable data connection" issue is still prevalent (I still have this problem - and I have tried everything I can think of or read about). She stated that there are other fixes that they are working on to resolve with this new update.
I could not get a solid time frame, but she stated that it should be pretty quick, given that they issued the first one within a short time frame after the HD2 release.
Now, I'm not sure if this means an upgrade from 6.5 to 6.5.3, but I wouldn't count on it. I just hope it is released soon. This device is so nice and so awful at the same time. Constantly I experience little nagging issues that make using this device such a hassle.
Have you tried just flashing it to one of these custom ROMs?
No I have not yet tried the custom ROM yet on the HD2. I like the way the T-Mobile ROM are, I just am getting fed up with the "unreliable data connection" BS. Also, the phone (since the ROM update) has been running slow and I don't think that is acceptable with the 1GHz snapdragon on this device. My only other issue is that the speaker phone stops working because T-Mobile added some stupid software to the device. If you dial 611, the software pops up and tries to solve your problem via webpage and stops the speaker phone from working till you restart the device.
While that is a short list of issues, they are major issues in using the device. But I think i will wait till this 2nd update comes out...if it does not resolve my issues, custom ROM here I come!
I belive flashing NRG will solve your issues It did mine.
Which issue did it solve? The data connection issue?
Data and freezing as well not to mention the phone just flies now. flashing a new radio fixed reception issue
well I will give it a try and see if it resolves my issues as well. I figure we have about a month or so before T-mobile releases the 2nd update. I know I will not be able to last that long with these issues. It is just a pain in the a-- to flash ROMs every day...I'm not into doing it all the time. I would like to find a good stable ROM and run with it. It just takes too much time flashing and reinstalling all those programs and changing the settings to where I like them all (too much work).
Like I said it is a shame, i really like this device on paper, but in the real world is just has some serious issues. I thought i would get a year or two out of this device when i bought it, now I am already looking to swap this puppy out. I'm looking to see what is coming down the pipeline. I refuse to go with WP7 (feels like the step backwards with it limitations as compared to WM6.5 - and i don't want a device that clones the iPhone of 4 years ago)
Anyone other suggestion on custom ROMs?
NRG 21911 is very solid and you don't have to flash everyday it has xda uc and pim backup witch will back up and reinstall all your software I did it yesterday in about 20 min. I refrain from flashing during the week. the the first time it will take about an hour just read all you can on it. 670megs free space on device 13gigs on sd and 300 megs of free RAM
I'm downloading the 23121 Cookie Dinik Glass version right now...I'll let you know how it works on my device. thanks for pointing me in this direction, appreciate it!
tmobile rep told me the same thing after I had a warranty exchange, she said to expect the update soon as there are alot of people experiencing problems with the current software. Although to be honest after running Android on my HD2 I dont think I ever want to use winmo again.
are you getting everything to work with Android? i did not think they have a fully functional Android ROM for the HD2 yet
They're all the same...
My biggest complaint is the bad data connection. Paying too much money for crappy connection. I can't even get connection in my lower level of my house. I think every carrier and cell phones all have their own problems. My two co-workers, one with Droid and the other iPhone have similar problems. Droid keeps freezing 2 warranty phone exchanges so far and iPhone looses connection frequently. iPhone guy wishes his would freeze so he could get a replacement. So it's not just me.
Help me please
So i tried to install android, and on gthe web it said i needed to install hpsl well my phone had it set to 2.10 they stated i needed 2.08 or earlier so i did it but the install still didn't work !!! How can i return my phone back to 2.10 and still get my warranty back
android fo real?
cabrone said:
tmobile rep told me the same thing after I had a warranty exchange, she said to expect the update soon as there are alot of people experiencing problems with the current software. Although to be honest after running Android on my HD2 I dont think I ever want to use winmo again.
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i read on pocetnow that android is being worked on on xda. seen a couple of post too, but there is always some component not really working. is there an official android post where all the kinks are worked out? i would like to switch if thats the case. thanks.
Wow is all I can say about that NRG ROM....it is great! does everything I have been looking for, no data connection issues since last night (I'll report back on this issue as time goes by). It's fast and very stable (so far, but hell I'm impressed), and I did not even use most stable version the 21911.
The UI is great, I love the three pages of app slot, everything is within one or two finger stokes this way. It also gets rid of the apps that I don't want (ie TelNav, etc...) but keeps most of the apps that I do want...I can always install cabs for the programs I want from the official ROM. Plus it has cooked into it all those sweet tweaks and settings. Great work, I'm not even waiting for T-mobile to release the 2nd update any longer.
Thanks gtrplr71 again for suggesting this custom ROM, it's so nice, I don’t even think I will be trying out any other ROMs.
I would not get hopes up of a 6.5.3 upgrade. Could you imagine the Technical support nightmare if they had to troubleshoot 2 different OS versions?
This is one reason I think Android and Linux will really take off in the future.
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i read on pocetnow that android is being worked on on xda. seen a couple of post too, but there is always some component not really working. is there an official android post where all the kinks are worked out? i would like to switch if thats the case. thanks.
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There's a HD2 Android section in the original HD2 area (euro hd2 section).... but it is a work in progress. There are still a lot of issues and kinks. It will be a while before it works as well as a native android phone. But the progress they've made is unbelievable. It's great having both winmo and android on my phone.
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Wow is all I can say about that NRG ROM....it is great! does everything I have been looking for, no data connection issues since last night (I'll report back on this issue as time goes by). It's fast and very stable (so far, but hell I'm impressed), and I did not even use most stable version the 21911.
The UI is great, I love the three pages of app slot, everything is within one or two finger stokes this way. It also gets rid of the apps that I don't want (ie TelNav, etc...) but keeps most of the apps that I do want...I can always install cabs for the programs I want from the official ROM. Plus it has cooked into it all those sweet tweaks and settings. Great work, I'm not even waiting for T-mobile to release the 2nd update any longer.
Thanks gtrplr71 again for suggesting this custom ROM, it's so nice, I don’t even think I will be trying out any other ROMs.
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your welcome don't forget to make a backup with pim backup to your sd card and use xda uc once you get things settled. Have fun!
how does the xda uc work? i could not figure that out, when I ran the app it stated that i did not have that file on my storage card...but it appeared there somehow.
Also, the incall record does not seem to work at all. when i lauch it (after I connect or before I connect a call) all I get is a blank lined page (note pad page).
And, is there a list of the added and removed apps somewhere? I could not find it in the ROM thread.
As for the 6.5.3 upgrade from T-Mobile, i don't think it will happen either and right now, after trying the NRG ROM...I don't care. I'm not even going to try the T-mobile 2nd ROM upgrade. Now with Android comes along on the HD2 (fully functional) then i will surely set up a dual boot situation on my HD2. That is like the best of both world.
(xda uc)-you wont notice anything different It will run and monitor the phone for new settings when you decide to flash a new build it will auto run and import settings and apps.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=653563 (stock apps) I am not familer with in-call record is that an app? this link might help
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=588644
tip = turn off second hand on clock in CHT misc settings sync errors happen if you dont
You can PM me if you need more help!
Just saw this link on Facebook. Thought I would share here...
http://windowsteamblog.com/windows_...t-windows-phone-update-and-how-to-get-it.aspx
From what I remember about the update scheduling, MS can push updates past carrier certification if the carrier delays until the next update is ready. I would love to see MS use these little micro-updates to game that system. Anything that helps to reduce AT&T's interference in the use of its own network is fine by me.
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From what I remember about the update scheduling, MS can push updates past carrier certification if the carrier delays until the next update is ready. I would love to see MS use these little micro-updates to game that system. Anything that helps to reduce AT&T's interference in the use of its own network is fine by me.
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That would be pretty tricky, but I would think MS would at least hold off until carriers have shown a pattern of delays.
the only problem is that it isn't really an update. It's an update to help out the future updates. Wtf is microsoft doing? This OS is developing slowly, and their communication is horrible. I feel like I'm going to want a new phone by the time this mythical update shows up (that hopefully corrects all the flaws)
Focus
Everyone with a Focus should read the thread in the Windows Phone Forum very carefully and take a wait and see attitude before updating. Not looking good for the Omnia 7 and starting to look bad for the Focus.
Samsung owners claim Windows Phone 7 update has bricked their devices.
I personally had a Samsung Intrepid v6.5 that after an update, it became a brick. There was NO way for me to go back to the previous version either.
Anyone got the update?
Has anyone got the update yet or a notification of it? I checked my wifes phone and it said no update through the phone or zune. It's completely stock (except the memory) so I'm hoping it won't have any problems.
Edit - Nevermind. I guess it's staged over some time. It also shows her having the firmware that is having so many problems so maybe waiting isn't a bad idea.
Version #
How do you know if you recived the update? I hook up my phone yesterday, and it started synching stuff that has been on my phone for months. The items were never changed since I installed on my phone. I check in the Zune software and it says I'm up to date. Do you get a message that says, "Hey stupid, here's an update"? MS doesn't seem to clear and what is supposed to happen. Do you get a text, or a number in your Marketplace tile, or what?
My firmware version ends in JJ1 for PDA, Phone and CSC.
I got that from dialing *#1234# from the diagnostic app.
I have not seen the notice for the update yet.
Anyone else with a Focus seen the update yet?
Let down in wireless promises
I'm am so let down with Carriers & Manufacturers promising updates! I had the Captivate when it came out, and was happy with the expection of 2.2 Froyo being released. As I was waiting I rooted the phone and ran a developers version of 2.2, which was great. In Jan I decided to swap for the Focus because it was just a simplier phone to use. I noticed on the MS website it even notated an expected release of an update in Jan.
All in all, when you buy a phone I would recommend not giving into the impulse of buying it just because they say updates are coming, especially with Samsung. I do love both phones, but this is just terrible. Seems like technology has gotten to the point that if what you have isn't ready NOW, then it's already old news and updates are just a fantasy.
For gods sake, now there's the new 4G HTC Inspire running Froyo promising Gingerbread.
Actually, the only thing I wish I could do on the Focus was watch youtube videos in high quality using 3G... Hahaha... I guess making ring tones too, but that's it!
wildbilll said:
My firmware version ends in JJ1 for PDA, Phone and CSC.
I got that from dialing *#1234# from the diagnostic app.
I have not seen the notice for the update yet.
Anyone else with a Focus seen the update yet?
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Mine ends with JJ2. Didn't get the new update. I wonder if I should wait a while before I do though.. Not sure if I want to brick this phone.. yet.
wildbilll said:
My firmware version ends in JJ1 for PDA, Phone and CSC.
I got that from dialing *#1234# from the diagnostic app.
I have not seen the notice for the update yet.
Anyone else with a Focus seen the update yet?
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Just tried it. I don't see anything saying firmware. The first three all have JJ1. I've been checking plenty of WP sites. I haven't seen anyone on ATT get an update.
AT&T NOT holding back update
I had to speak to the Technical Support area of the AT&T Warranty Center today. All of a sudden, after 2 months, the battery icon at the top of the page ehibited the following symptoms:
. Blinks on and off, sometimes with the "plug" showing on the battery icon even though the phone is not on the charger. Blinks about once every 2 seconds.
. "Beeps" everytime it blinks.
. Screen will not turn off because this icon is blinking.
I was told that Technical Support had a meeting yesterday and that this is a know issue with WP7 by Microsoft and that the upcoming late February/early March update will contain a fix for this issue.
I asked why I had not recived an update notification and whether AT&T was holding up this update. The TS person said absolutely not, especially since this update will contain bug fixes that affect currently released phone models. AT&T is not holding back the update.
This person also told me that the issue is suspected to be caused by a virus that enters the phone when browsing the Internet and that warranty does not cover viruses. Well, that set me off. Their phone, their OS, their browser. I'll address this to be sure.
But, the update is coming, contains fixes, and AT&T is NOT holding it back.
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I asked why I had not recived an update notification and whether AT&T was holding up this update. The TS person said absolutely not, especially since this update will contain bug fixes that affect currently released phone models. AT&T is not holding back the update.
This person also told me that the issue is suspected to be caused by a virus that enters the phone when browsing the Internet and that warranty does not cover viruses. Well, that set me off. Their phone, their OS, their browser. I'll address this to be sure.
But, the update is coming, contains fixes, and AT&T is NOT holding it back.
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lol. Virus entering the phone via web browsing in wp7. Don't fall for that.
Virus
powersquad said:
lol. Virus entering the phone via web browsing in wp7. Don't fall for that.
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No, not a chance. I already contacted the store manager who I purchased the phone from and he has guaranteed a warranty replacement. I am still going to wait for the update to see if what the ST&T TS person was speaking the truth. If I have to, I'll take the SIM out and put it back in my FUZE running 6.5.x.
I received my updated today ! Window poped up and said there was an update. When I went to check the market place, there were no apps there were ready for up date. One would have to think the small update for the OS was sent out. How does one check ?
Sync through Zune.
Oh ya.... the OS update is not OTA (over the air) like the apps update. I will go sync now.
okay seems the update was pulled after some issues. I was rolled out again this week !
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-20039227-94.html
Seems there still might be an issue according to the article. I plugged my phone into laptop this morning after receiving another notification yesterday. It seems to be installing now. Fingers are crossed for no issues.
EDIT: OS Version after update reads 7.0.7008.0
The update took about 10 minutes.