hey does anyone know anything about HSDPA and if the Jasjar is compatible or in the future will be?
No, the Jasjar (or any similar device such as Xda Exec, MDa Pro or Qek 9000) is not and will not ever become HSDPA capable. It simply misses the hardware for it.
Hey Wiz
I noticed you've got a TyTn, which I believe is the only phone compatible with HSDPA at the moment. Is there much of a speed difference between this and normal 3g?
Thanks
Dave
One is 384k & one is 1.6M in full speed if your network supports the full speed.
Besides Hermes, Trinity is the next device that has HSDPA.
What is the outcome of the debate if Universal supports HDSPA?
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What is the outcome of the debate if Universal supports HDSPA?
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It doesn't.
Related
http://www.orange.co.uk/business/corporate/brighterthinking/articles/edge.html
M5000 is one of only 5 compatible handsets apparently...
Is this so?
JasJar doesn't support EDGE. Wizard does. Besides, what's the point? EDGE is a step back from UMTS. Jasjar is more advanced :wink: .
Orange want 3G users to have an alternative when they are out of 3G coverage - which is no use if you have a Universal!
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Orange want 3G users to have an alternative when they are out of 3G coverage - which is no use if you have a Universal!
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I don't think that that's the reason, are there any devices (even normal phones) supporting BOTH?
Have you read the Orange weblink I posted?
5th paragraph, 2nd line
???
anyway - whats the difference?? EDGE or UMTS
How odd
At launch, there are five 3G and EDGE-enabled handsets in the Orange portfolio - the Nokia 6280, 6630, 6680 and N70, and the SPV M5000 (developed for Orange by Taiwanese manufacturer HTC).
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The Universal definatly doesn't support EDGE
well I just saved that web page for errr... future reference... we ALL know what Orange are like don't we?
spare batteries and the like, eh? :wink:
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Have you read the Orange weblink I posted?
5th paragraph, 2nd line
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I've red it just now. That's why I was asking, now I know that new Nokias are both EDGE and UMTS(WCDMA) enabled.
Both with M5000 they're wrong.
And about the differences - good article:
www.touchbriefings.com/pdf/744/wire041_pearson.pdf
i havent read the article just the posts but knowing orange itll be a disaster and cost a fortune
Any idea if/when O2 are going to enable EDGE on their network? I'm sure many XDA mini users will be keen to know considering the lack of 3G support on the mini.
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Any idea if/when O2 are going to enable EDGE on their network? I'm sure many XDA mini users will be keen to know considering the lack of 3G support on the mini.
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I wish they'd leave all these dodgy systems alone, and concentrate on good honest 3G.
Forget EDGE, and O2, please definitely forget stupid, silly i-mode.
Why do companies think that steps back are good?
Throw all the resources into improving the 3G network.
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jah said:
Orange want 3G users to have an alternative when they are out of 3G coverage - which is no use if you have a Universal!
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I don't think that that's the reason, are there any devices (even normal phones) supporting BOTH?
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Sorry friend, look at this extensive article from www.silicon.com
http://networks.silicon.com/mobile/0,39024665,39156108,00.htm
@belfast-biker
O2 are piloting high speed 3G with the potential of 2MB download speeds soon and upto 20MB in the future. I know O2 have been slow to roll-out 3G but I have found the performance on their network better than on Vodafone and T-mobile.
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@belfast-biker
O2 are piloting high speed 3G with the potential of 2MB download speeds soon and upto 20MB in the future. I know O2 have been slow to roll-out 3G but I have found the performance on their network better than on Vodafone and T-mobile.
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They're diluting the message with i-mode.
I like 3G, even though I only get 180-220Kbps on their network in Belfast, on a theoretical limit of 384K.
And that's after fighting them via phone and email to get the 128K limit lifted on my XDA, a limit imposed purely because I wasn't on a business tariff. Fcuking idiots wasted about an hour of my life until they relented.
Definitely not as forward looking as I'd like. And I work for them.
Paul on MoDaCo brings the first info abou the successor of HTC Universal - the HTC Omni !
Read the full article
I'm think support of HSDPA too, but the Samsung processor (same as in TyTN) is too slow for the best PPC Phone ed. device :-(
Sounds good, can't find a single picture yet though, how annoying!!
My O2 contract renewal is in a month, do I delay upgrading and wait for this, or will it not be out *that* soon?
So reading this it sounds like it will be to the Exec as the 2i was to the 2, or am I wrong?
Will it actually be VGA or will we need to hack it again :-(
G
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the Samsung processor (same as in TyTN) is too slow for the best PPC Phone ed. device :-(
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WRONG!!! Samsung processors yield 30% more performance than Intel. That means, if there is a 300 MHz Samsung, it's every bit as fast as a 390 MHz Intel. 400MHz Samsung = 520MHz Intel. Also it drains less power.
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I'm think the external displej is really good idea
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You must've mis-read. It says an external screen ISN'T included
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jerrry said:
I'm think the external displej is really good idea
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You must've mis-read. It says an external screen ISN'T included
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oh sorrry, Yes I'v missed this
Now if it has a 533(+) MHz Samsung S3C2440, GSM-Quad-Band, Bluetooth 2.0, HSDPA, some sort of 3D-accelerator (like the nVidia GoForce) and built-in GPS I will be very happy - and maybe throw in an 1" hard-disk-drive (Seagate has one offering 12 GB now, after all, Windows CE 5.0 supports it, right?) while you're at it.
OK, one can dream, but I have been waiting for such a device for years now - and of course this info just HAD to come in as I was ready to finally get a Universal for a whopping <50 EUR from my provider - but then, I'd be stuck with it for two years, while everybody else gets to play with the (superior?) Omni. They better come out with substantial info on this device soon, before my provider drops the Universal from their portfolio for good.
As long as it's quadband and VGA I'll buy it in a heartbeat... I will never give up the VGA screen on my universal - I use it almost daily for remote management of the servers I manage and I need that VGA screen, but I use Cingular here in the US and the lack of an 850MHz band is a serious annoyance. I can't wait until any quadband VGA device is out... hopefully with EDGE support as well. I'll be keeping my eye on this Omni.
Brett
Anyone get hold of any pictures of this wonder device yet?
Why dont they ever listen ???????????? " Popular demand" says an external screen is a necessity not a luxury. Now even though the design is said to be "fluid" after waiting so long an external Lcd wouldnt be asking too much OR perhaps more $$$£££ in the form of Universal 3 is the cause! :?
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As long as it's quadband and VGA I'll buy it in a heartbeat... I will never give up the VGA screen on my universal - I use it almost daily for remote management of the servers I manage and I need that VGA screen, but I use Cingular here in the US and the lack of an 850MHz band is a serious annoyance. I can't wait until any quadband VGA device is out... hopefully with EDGE support as well. I'll be keeping my eye on this Omni.
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sorry Brotha, I dropped them for a very similar reason. I actually think that cingular is predominantly 850mhz, but the universal doesn't support 850, it supports, 900, 1800, 1900, and 2100 mhz. I switched to tmobile, who happens to have GREAT 1900 mhz coverage mostly everywhere. As long as you don't live off on a farm somewhere or in a real rural area, tmo should have 1900 coverage in the area. Now with T, I get 3 - 4 bars everywhere I go, with a solid 4 bars here at home. The only other consideration is that US UMTS coverage cannot be 2100mhz atm because the military uses that frequency for its satellites. So you're stuck with GPRS speeds or battery consuming wifi. For a while I just paired and DUN'ed the Exec with my Fathers sprint Apache.
Hi!
Now I think I may get a few people thinking I am wierd but hey!! I would like to know a bit more about HSPDA. I know it is a new speed access for data. But how do i activate my Ameo to use it and does anyone know where i can get a coverage map to see where i can use it??
HSDPA is activated on W'n'W Plus by default - not sure how you tell on the Ameo - some ROMS display H instead of U/3G but the Ameo doesn't appear to.
On my HTC Advantage on Cingular it dispalys 'H' when I am in a HSPDA coverage area.
yes mine displays H at times
I have been wondering the same thing (i.e how to tell when the Ameo is using HSDPA).
In the UK, I have never seen an "H" displayed with my Ameo on web'n'walk
Like I say, on other phones it depends on the ROM - I have never seen an H on my Ameo and have been getting far faster than 3G speeds!
On T-Mobile UK, wherever there is 3G, there is HSDPA. The T-Mobile ROM does not change between displaying 3G and H - no need becauise 3G = H on T-Mobile UK.
I forget the max T-Mobile speed at present - about 600k I think. If I remember correctly, they are aiming to double that in places by the end of the year.
No need to configure an English Ameo for HSDPA.
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On T-Mobile UK, wherever there is 3G, there is HSDPA. The T-Mobile ROM does not change between displaying 3G and H - no need becauise 3G = H on T-Mobile UK.
I forget the max T-Mobile speed at present - about 600k I think. If I remember correctly, they are aiming to double that in places by the end of the year.
No need to configure an English Ameo for HSDPA.
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i don't think what you say is correct. There are lots of area where you can only get 3G instead of HSDPA with T-mobile. I have DOPOD U1000 but I am using T-mobile Sim Card. It's clear to me that most of the time in London, i will get H display on my phone, but once I moved out to other place, I start seeing 3G signal only. And yes there is a speed difference. And I have also run tests on the HSDPA speed, on average i am getting 1000k (1M), the top speed i ever got is 1200(1.2M).
Could do with your support buddy...
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i don't think what you say is correct. There are lots of area where you can only get 3G instead of HSDPA with T-mobile. I have DOPOD U1000 but I am using T-mobile Sim Card. It's clear to me that most of the time in London, i will get H display on my phone, but once I moved out to other place, I start seeing 3G signal only. And yes there is a speed difference. And I have also run tests on the HSDPA speed, on average i am getting 1000k (1M), the top speed i ever got is 1200(1.2M).
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Agreed. I too get an average of 1k but mine too tops out at about 1.1-1.2.
Hey wu. Haven't seen you in a while. Hope all's well. I would have thought the Athena project would be of interest to...plus with your contacts, your help would no doubt be invaluable to us all.
Anyway no sales pitch. Just hope you join in, as we now have 2 great developers on board and are soon to receive 2 devices. OK enough plugging for now.
See you there hopefully.
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Agreed. I too get an average of 1k but mine too tops out at about 1.1-1.2.
Hey wu. Haven't seen you in a while. Hope all's well. I would have thought the Athena project would be of interest to...plus with your contacts, your help would no doubt be invaluable to us all.
Anyway no sales pitch. Just hope you join in, as we now have 2 great developers on board and are soon to receive 2 devices. OK enough plugging for now.
See you there hopefully.
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Hi mackaby, I have been a bit busy, yes, the Athena project interest me a lot, but I am having problems with my paypal.......hopefully i will sort it out soon.You have a nice day and see you around.
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i don't think what you say is correct. There are lots of area where you can only get 3G instead of HSDPA with T-mobile. I have DOPOD U1000 but I am using T-mobile Sim Card. It's clear to me that most of the time in London, i will get H display on my phone, but once I moved out to other place, I start seeing 3G signal only. And yes there is a speed difference. And I have also run tests on the HSDPA speed, on average i am getting 1000k (1M), the top speed i ever got is 1200(1.2M).
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The info comes straight from several sources at T-mobile - all their 3G coverage is also HSDPA. However, I have an Ameo, which only ever shows 3G.
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The info comes straight from several sources at T-mobile - all their 3G coverage is also HSDPA. However, I have an Ameo, which only ever shows 3G.
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I have heard this before but am not certain it's true, can anyone else confirm or deny?
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I have heard this before but am not certain it's true, can anyone else confirm or deny?
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that is certainly wrong, i have seen 3G and HSDPA separately in different location. The speed difference is huge. BTW, you shouldn't listen to mobile operator, most of the time they don't know what are they talking about. Guess what, some of them don't even know there is a 3.5G (HSDPA). (I mention this to them, and they ask me to google it !)
I have a Nike in the US and do not get as good of reception as my Touch. I am assuming it is due to the triband of the Nike and quad band of Dual. I spoke with friend at the factory and they heard of similar performance issues. Has anyone in US experienced this. My touch has excellent performance.
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I have a Nike in the US and do not get as good of reception as my Touch. I am assuming it is due to the triband of the Nike and quad band of Dual. I spoke with friend at the factory and they heard of similar performance issues. Has anyone in US experienced this. My touch has excellent performance.
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in the US as well. experienced the same problem. Last weekend, was in the movie theater with my gf. She owns the iphone. Her reception was full bar while my dual touch (nike) only had 2 bar.
as far as im aware of, both nike (dual touch) and elf (touch) are tri-band. says so on the htc site as well.
http://www.htc.com/product/03-product_htctouch.htm
more bars in more places
Have an EU version in US with ATT. No real issues with reception. Seems to work fine.... So far. had an HTC 2125 (quad band) before and the Niki gets about the same reception. I see no real difference.
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I have a Nike in the US and do not get as good of reception as my Touch. I am assuming it is due to the triband of the Nike and quad band of Dual. I spoke with friend at the factory and they heard of similar performance issues. Has anyone in US experienced this. My touch has excellent performance.
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Actually I noticed also bad reception compared to my i-Mate Jamin and Dopod S300.. Here's my conclusion: If i'm connected to 3G reception is often poor.. if connected to GPRS it's ok. for now I have set my connection type to GSM, works for me as 'm not using 3G.
I guess the 3G network is not as good as GSM.. sounds reasonable to me
Can anyone confirm my conclusion?
How do you set the connection type to GSM only.
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How do you set the connection type to GSM only.
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Start -> Settings -> Phone
On the 4th tab (band) you can select your network type:
Select GSM for Network type..
Thanks, I found it while playing although it did not help the issue. My touch has 4 bars in the office while the dual is non existant to 2 and drops quite often. I will check with the factory to see if they will have a new RF ROM at some point to correct or if this is an antenna design issue. Really like the phone but can't use due to performance instability.
Is it possible to get turbo 3G speeds on uni trough maybe a radio upgrade, or is the hardware limited to 384 kbps?
I think this also is related with your local cell provider
Mine is working on 3G in Europe at a decent speed
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Is it possible to get turbo 3G speeds on uni trough maybe a radio upgrade, or is the hardware limited to 384 kbps?
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Uni lacks HSDPA, so the speed will be less than new phones....
True.
Universal was one of the first devices including 3G back in 2005