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3G O2 Exec while visiting USA- which/how network to choose?!

Chaps,
My other half uses her O2 xda Exec with a work supplied 3G vodafone SIM. It works fine in the UK and she did a good job getting it set up with the right 3G UK vodafone settings etc- well done her!
Question is...
She's now working in the USA for a few days. The xda has found a network and can use it - great stuff but no 3G....
How can she determine what network its using over there - is this selectable somewhere (I couldn't find the option)?
Based on the network what would the settings be to allow her to use 3G!? Anyone help?
Thanks

USA doesn't have 3G. It's also why the universal isnt popular in USA. I feel sorry for em. :lol:

RyanZA said:
USA doesn't have 3G. It's also why the universal isnt popular in USA. I feel sorry for em. :lol:
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Oh bugger! You mean we're ahead of America on something!?
I can't believe silicon valley doesn't have 3G, I guess they have wireless hotspot all over....

T-Mobile US have mumbled something about enabling UMTS "in 2006" but I rather want to see it than hear about it.
The rest of the US carriers use fancy 1xRTT data protocols over CDMA networks - not compatible with GSM. People in the US still wonder what the "G" stands for ;-)

Blame it on our military. Those bands are owned by the US Gov. Just recently I have heard news of businesses getting access to those bands. And there was much rejoicing...

who ever said the us doesn't have 3G?
i live in houston and when i got the universal i did some reaserch:
i found that verison wireless has 3G on their devices, but they dont use sim cards, so they wont help...
but i now have cingular wireless, and it works great, but it is a bit pricy...
i believe about $45 per month...
so if you were just going to visit the us, then i would sugest to you that you go with t-mobile using the GPRS,
yes i know it is slow, but if you are only going to be using it for a little bit i think it would be fine. I believe the GPRS is $19.99.
so it really depends if you really think you need the 3G service...
if you dont think so then get GPRS, the exec can use it, and its not all that bad

It is true that the US does not have 3G but your Tri-Band GSM device will work perfectly fine. With the proper settings you can even surfe the WEB at 32k just no high speed for things like video calls.
I use my Exec quite often in various places in the US without any problems.

HSPDA ???

Hi!
Now I think I may get a few people thinking I am wierd but hey!! I would like to know a bit more about HSPDA. I know it is a new speed access for data. But how do i activate my Ameo to use it and does anyone know where i can get a coverage map to see where i can use it??

HSDPA is activated on W'n'W Plus by default - not sure how you tell on the Ameo - some ROMS display H instead of U/3G but the Ameo doesn't appear to.

On my HTC Advantage on Cingular it dispalys 'H' when I am in a HSPDA coverage area.

yes mine displays H at times

I have been wondering the same thing (i.e how to tell when the Ameo is using HSDPA).
In the UK, I have never seen an "H" displayed with my Ameo on web'n'walk

Like I say, on other phones it depends on the ROM - I have never seen an H on my Ameo and have been getting far faster than 3G speeds!

On T-Mobile UK, wherever there is 3G, there is HSDPA. The T-Mobile ROM does not change between displaying 3G and H - no need becauise 3G = H on T-Mobile UK.
I forget the max T-Mobile speed at present - about 600k I think. If I remember correctly, they are aiming to double that in places by the end of the year.
No need to configure an English Ameo for HSDPA.

apd said:
On T-Mobile UK, wherever there is 3G, there is HSDPA. The T-Mobile ROM does not change between displaying 3G and H - no need becauise 3G = H on T-Mobile UK.
I forget the max T-Mobile speed at present - about 600k I think. If I remember correctly, they are aiming to double that in places by the end of the year.
No need to configure an English Ameo for HSDPA.
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i don't think what you say is correct. There are lots of area where you can only get 3G instead of HSDPA with T-mobile. I have DOPOD U1000 but I am using T-mobile Sim Card. It's clear to me that most of the time in London, i will get H display on my phone, but once I moved out to other place, I start seeing 3G signal only. And yes there is a speed difference. And I have also run tests on the HSDPA speed, on average i am getting 1000k (1M), the top speed i ever got is 1200(1.2M).

Could do with your support buddy...
wu5262 said:
i don't think what you say is correct. There are lots of area where you can only get 3G instead of HSDPA with T-mobile. I have DOPOD U1000 but I am using T-mobile Sim Card. It's clear to me that most of the time in London, i will get H display on my phone, but once I moved out to other place, I start seeing 3G signal only. And yes there is a speed difference. And I have also run tests on the HSDPA speed, on average i am getting 1000k (1M), the top speed i ever got is 1200(1.2M).
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Agreed. I too get an average of 1k but mine too tops out at about 1.1-1.2.
Hey wu. Haven't seen you in a while. Hope all's well. I would have thought the Athena project would be of interest to...plus with your contacts, your help would no doubt be invaluable to us all.
Anyway no sales pitch. Just hope you join in, as we now have 2 great developers on board and are soon to receive 2 devices. OK enough plugging for now.
See you there hopefully.

mackaby007 said:
Agreed. I too get an average of 1k but mine too tops out at about 1.1-1.2.
Hey wu. Haven't seen you in a while. Hope all's well. I would have thought the Athena project would be of interest to...plus with your contacts, your help would no doubt be invaluable to us all.
Anyway no sales pitch. Just hope you join in, as we now have 2 great developers on board and are soon to receive 2 devices. OK enough plugging for now.
See you there hopefully.
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Hi mackaby, I have been a bit busy, yes, the Athena project interest me a lot, but I am having problems with my paypal.......hopefully i will sort it out soon.You have a nice day and see you around.

wu5262 said:
i don't think what you say is correct. There are lots of area where you can only get 3G instead of HSDPA with T-mobile. I have DOPOD U1000 but I am using T-mobile Sim Card. It's clear to me that most of the time in London, i will get H display on my phone, but once I moved out to other place, I start seeing 3G signal only. And yes there is a speed difference. And I have also run tests on the HSDPA speed, on average i am getting 1000k (1M), the top speed i ever got is 1200(1.2M).
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The info comes straight from several sources at T-mobile - all their 3G coverage is also HSDPA. However, I have an Ameo, which only ever shows 3G.

apd said:
The info comes straight from several sources at T-mobile - all their 3G coverage is also HSDPA. However, I have an Ameo, which only ever shows 3G.
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I have heard this before but am not certain it's true, can anyone else confirm or deny?

Confucious said:
I have heard this before but am not certain it's true, can anyone else confirm or deny?
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that is certainly wrong, i have seen 3G and HSDPA separately in different location. The speed difference is huge. BTW, you shouldn't listen to mobile operator, most of the time they don't know what are they talking about. Guess what, some of them don't even know there is a 3.5G (HSDPA). (I mention this to them, and they ask me to google it !)

T-Mobile to have 3G by Summer

Well, according to Boy Genius Report T-mobile will be rolling out their 3G network by summer 2008 which is long overdue. What I'm curious about is how this will affect current users and rates. Will I have to buy a new phone or will my wing be able to use the new 3G network? Will the data rates go up or change from unlimited? Anybody heard any information on this?

Their 3G system is still GSM compatible, so having a wing is still ok. But that means they will have to release their 3G phone (a.k.a. Kaiser from what my sources tell me.)
As far as rates go: I dunno.
I'll just be glad when they stop messing around with the towers and service here.

will this affect the sucky EDGE??...
will they finish before AT&T?!
will it mean more stability in the connections??
will living near an airport mean you'll still get knocked off when a plane flies overhead??
who knows!.. but we will definitely find out sooner or later, right?

ivanmmj said:
Their 3G system is still GSM compatible, so having a wing is still ok. But that means they will have to release their 3G phone (a.k.a. Kaiser from what my sources tell me.)
As far as rates go: I dunno.
I'll just be glad when they stop messing around with the towers and service here.
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Awesome! Hopefully I'll be able to stream some decent videos and data on my wing once 3G comes around! Edge sucks when it comes to that. Appriciate the info!

But I thought the Wing is not 3G capable.

it would only make sense that the 2g network and equipment will still work until everyone has slowly migrated over to the new 3g network and the first phones would work on both networks.

ivanmmj said:
.... But that means they will have to release their 3G phone (a.k.a. Kaiser from what my sources tell me.)....
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I wanted the Tilt so damn bad I was almost willing to switch providers, but when I found out I could get a Wing for 79 bucks I stuck with T-Mo, thinking I'd wait ANOTHER year for them to roll out 3g. I would just have to buy a Kaiser if they came out with one that wasn't hobbled. (Can't someone put a 624mhz processor, and a decent amount of RAM in one of these? Is that too much to ask?)
Ya' know, maybe I should rethink that. I used a Psion 5 for years before switching to an iPAQ 2215, then a 2755-- all the while thinking: "Man, if I could get a keyboard, phone and Pocket PC rolled into one, that would be the best!"
I've had a Wing for a couple of months and I don't honestly recall one time that I've used the keyboard. Of course, it's keyboard is a piece of junk compared to the Psion 5's, but using the iPAQ's for so long conditioned me into a stylus typist.
I really have high hopes for Firefox portable on 3g though. This summer?--- well, I guess we've all heard that before!

I have heard different things, i surfed the net and these forums and i still get different things. all i wanna know is, is the wing compatible with the new 3G network coming out this summer?

No.
it will connect to the available compatible frequency. The expected 3/3.5G network will operate at a different frequency that the wing's radio doesn't connect to.
unless the newer radio roms somehow added that connection to that frequency... then no.

mv3 said:
No.
it will connect to the available compatible frequency. The expected 3/3.5G network will operate at a different frequency that the wing's radio doesn't connect to.
unless the newer radio roms somehow added that connection to that frequency... then no.
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haha.. F*** it then.. Bye Bye Wing.. and Hello Kaiser.. Well i hope Tmobile gets the TyTn 2.. ill be set with that..

cangri87 said:
haha.. F*** it then.. Bye Bye Wing.. and Hello Kaiser.. Well i hope Tmobile gets the TyTn 2.. ill be set with that..
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By the time T-mobile has their 3/3.5G..3.5+??.. network up and running smoothly.. HTC might well have a better and much sexier phone than the TyTn II....and from what I could tell the MDA Vario III is higher model of it than the original :O..unlike the Tilt which is a lower model but has this 1 advantage over it's big brother.. hope T-Mobile doesnt water down the Vario III before it gets over here, or should I say if?...and a maybe $300-$500 price tag for Vario III(via upgrade or contract and if they wait long enough it might be running a stock full, stable WinMobile 6.1 rather than buggy leaked one)versus $800+ for Kaiser? not to mention the still unsolved video drivers travesty with it :'(... new Touch Cruise and the P6500(Sedna) are pretty freaking sweet even compared to HTC's flagship TyTn II.
I actually love my phone enough that I might wait till next year for a phone with stock WinMobile 7 and all the freaky powers, motion sensor technology, and processors that phones running it are going to need. Those r going to make my Wing look like Razr! :'( I'll miss you Wing...btw, the TyTn II/Kaiser won't be able to run a lot of the previewed Windows Mobile 7 features either.

T-Mobiles 3G is slated to be substantially faster than AT&T's.
No one knows for sure if current 3G phones will work, but I have a Hermes and I'm being locked out of my internet in South Florida due to 3G testing, so i'm assuming it will work when it's released since I'm hitting a firewall right now.
A t-mobile rep on that board said they are going to have new pricing, so it's most likely going to be more expensive.

Questions...
I wonder if the prices for the unlimited data plans will change for people who are already in contracts. I'm paying an extra $19.99/month for the Total Internet add-on right now. Guess I'll just have to wait and see...

The Wing has 3G just not the one that we think is compatible to the new network right?

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No one knows for sure if current 3G phones will work
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Ummm, isnt Tmo's 3G supposed to be on the 1700 MHz band? That means the tilt etc wont work........

I'm hearing mixed things from everyone. I hope the wing will work but no one knows for sure.

Wing To Shift
im gonna change to the shift soon and hopefully i dont have problems with service

A T-Mobile wing is not a 3G phone so drop it and get a 3G phone

T-mobile and Orange

Did not now were to put this lol so put it here ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh my god t-mobile and orange are to be come one with each other is this good or bad not really sure any one any thoughts
oh and in advance sorry if in wrong place

We won't know for at least 18 months, since each brand is going to continue separately until then. However, once the networks are "joined" we should hopefully expect to get better coverage. So right now, it looks like a win-win situation, but that may well change! I was with Orange right for their inception upto just after they were acquired by France Telecom, and I can tell you that in my experience Orange UK were better prior to this.
Regards,
Dave

T-mobile and Orange merg
yep it could well be a win win if orange take on board the customer care from t-mobile and use t-mobs tariffs for the high speed internt divice like the hero. And i defo aggre about coverage should make it the best coverage network in the UK

locutus-of-borg said:
yep it could well be a win win if orange take on board the customer care from t-mobile and use t-mobs tariffs for the high speed internt divice like the hero. And i defo aggre about coverage should make it the best coverage network in the UK
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If you read the Orange/T-Mobile press release, it also states that the T-Mobile/3 JV on network sharing is going to be rolled into the new company. This means we should end up having peerless coverage!
Regards,
Dave

This has already been posted earlier, please check before starting a new topic!

[Q] Orange in UK

Hi Guys,
just wondering, does anyone have a desire Z on orange UK? I was wondering if the phones are sent out with orange software etc rather than plain android operating system? I know the older phones orange used to brand them by not just the sticker but also their software...
Also are the phones normally simlocked?
One more thing - how has your experiance been in orange network? I have seen some complaints as to getting internet can be slow etc... Not sure if this is the right place to ask but would like to know...
I am planning to move to a desire z on orange - currently got a htc touch hd on O2.
Thanks for your help!

Orange as a network are not too bad, and are getting slowly better again.
Their phones will be sim locked, and also while locked you won't be able to install any new radio firmware on your phone (they just won't work).
They have been known to use their own launcher lately, however sense will still be installed so you can swap to htc's stock launcher, not sure on what they are doing with the Z though.
I have an unbranded unlocked z and running on orange, the signal is fantastic.

I got mine from Mobiles.co.uk and all their handsets are supposed to be unlocked and unbranded. Mine is definately unbranded but haven't tested if it's unlocked.

Do Orange even sell the DZ ? I can see the DHD on their website, so I guess there's a good chance the DZ is following behind.
Remember that coverage can vary greatly, depending on where you are. See if you can borrow a phone from someone you know who has Orange, to test the signal out in your area. Or get a free pay-as-you-go SIM from Orange to test out the signal before you commit. Orange and T-Mobile are merging, so their coverage should improve through that.
Orange is terrible where I am and Vodafone is good, but if I moved somewhere else it could easily be the other way round.

Well Orange and T-Mobile have/are merging so they will have the best coverage in the country come March.

Lennyuk said:
Well Orange and T-Mobile have/are merging so they will have the best coverage in the country come March.
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Well, if they both had dodgy coverage in a particular area, then with the merger they'll still have dodgy coverage there. So I'm not sure it's that simple ?

steviewevie said:
Well, if they both had dodgy coverage in a particular area, then with the merger they'll still have dodgy coverage there. So I'm not sure it's that simple ?
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how many places in the country don't get either signal though? only places right in the sticks would fail to get a signal.

Lennyuk said:
how many places in the country don't get either signal though? only places right in the sticks would fail to get a signal.
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You'd be suprised. For example, in my house the Orange and T-Mobile signals are bad (had them before), but Vodafone is fine. Similarly a friend's house in a different part of the country has the same issue (Vodafone isn't that great there, but a lot better than the Orange/T-Mobile signals).

Orange vs T-Mobile
Thanks guys... well I was planning to get the phone from CPW - like mentioned it is not offered directly from orange.
T mobile has good offers for the phone as well... but have read that when getting the phone from places like CPW, they cap the speed of data which has me concerned. Otherwise their 1GB allowance is definitely more attractive to try out.
hmm anyone has got any experiance of T-mob data speeds?

Audette said:
Thanks guys... well I was planning to get the phone from CPW - like mentioned it is not offered directly from orange.
T mobile has good offers for the phone as well... but have read that when getting the phone from places like CPW, they cap the speed of data which has me concerned. Otherwise their 1GB allowance is definitely more attractive to try out.
hmm anyone has got any experiance of T-mob data speeds?
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I am currently on ORange in Dundee with a Pro2, data and voice been fine almost anywhere in the city (3G loses a bit when I'm in the middle of my house but it IS a new build so the attic is extra thick for insulation. However I noticed that when I set up the T-Mobile/Orange roaming a few weeks ago, it picks up a strong T-Mobile signal in the places it couldn't before. Now I have taken out a Desire Z via MobilePhonesDirect.co.uk on T-Mobile and I'm still using the Orange SIM in the Desire until my contract runs out come February and it's given me no problems. Simply roams to T-Mobile in several consistent blackspots... Once the T-Mobile 3G can be used on Orange it'll be even better!

Audette said:
hmm anyone has got any experiance of T-mob data speeds?
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Multiple tests using speedtest.net app.
Down - Up
766 - 493
1455 - 503
1867 - 485
1872 - 470
1891 - 441
Wifi
Down - Up
9363 - 545
Am I getting what I should be getting?

Hello
I just happen to have upgraded to desireZ with cpw, and im on orange uk. Internet speed is fine (when u get H connection). In london though its pretty much everywhere
Whats best with orange is fact that they joined with t_mob and now the coverage is even better, although 3G will only start after Xmas :S...
Otherwise, phone is brill, but Im still getting used to android (used to be winmo for past 3 years...)
Hope this helps
sent from htc desire Z

I also upgraded via CPW, it's worth pointing out that 90% of their phones are sim unlocked and unbranded
Am currently on TMob and with the recent merge Tmob/orange you have the option to jump network when reception is crap, at the moment it's only 2g tho

Stea1thmode said:
I also upgraded via CPW, it's worth pointing out that 90% of their phones are sim unlocked and unbranded
Am currently on TMob and with the recent merge Tmob/orange you have the option to jump network when reception is crap, at the moment it's only 2g tho
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What do you think of the data speeds on T-mobile network? Do you experiance it to be slow??

wolek76 said:
Hello
I just happen to have upgraded to desireZ with cpw, and im on orange uk. Internet speed is fine (when u get H connection). In london though its pretty much everywhere
Whats best with orange is fact that they joined with t_mob and now the coverage is even better, although 3G will only start after Xmas :S...
Otherwise, phone is brill, but Im still getting used to android (used to be winmo for past 3 years...)
Hope this helps
sent from htc desire Z
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Am gonna be moving from Win Mo as well... so not even sure how much data usage I might need per month on android!!!!
Do you find that 500MB is sufficient for your use?

Audette said:
What do you think of the data speeds on T-mobile network? Do you experiance it to be slow??
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I've not done a speed test yet nor experienced any slowness, only when there's bad reception.
Audette said:
Am gonna be moving from Win Mo as well... so not even sure how much data usage I might need per month on android!!!!
Do you find that 500MB is sufficient for your use?
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To be honest I'm not sure, am on unlimited web n talk (internet) which works out to be 3gig for an extra fiver a month. I think with these types of phones you'd be better off with unlimited if you can get it

Is 500mb enough?
Well, I used to be on 500 for 18 months, and only once went over when my landline i-net was down due to BT. But now with the upgrade Ive gone for 1gig, and Im glad I did. This market thing is so much bigger than msofts winmo! Also, fone seems so much snappier with inet, utube,msn... I will deffo go over 500/month.
Just realized I havent installed skype yet...
Is 1gig gonna be enough...???
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wolek76 said:
Is 500mb enough?
Well, I used to be on 500 for 18 months, and only once went over when my landline i-net was down due to BT. But now with the upgrade Ive gone for 1gig, and Im glad I did. This market thing is so much bigger than msofts winmo! Also, fone seems so much snappier with inet, utube,msn... I will deffo go over 500/month.
Just realized I havent installed skype yet...
Is 1gig gonna be enough...???
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There's an app on market called NetCounter which shows your data usage, might be worth using that to help monitor data.

Im currently on Orange (contract now expired) and also looking to upgrade to a Desire Z with Orange (currently using HTC Touch HD).
I'm going to call Orange direct first and see what I can get. If they still don't do the Z then I might get it through Phones4U, on Orange, as they are offering the Z for free on a 24 month contract @ £25 pm which seems quite good.
Phones4U can also do upgrades so I have sent them a request to see if they can offer anything better than the £25 pm contract.