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USA SERVICE PLANS

Just wanted to know what service plans would be good for JasJar in the USA.
I use T-Mobile but of course we americans are lagging behind on mobile technology communications. I find I cannot use half of the features and it doesnt even have EDGE support. So wondering if any of you have T-Mobile in the USA and what service/internet plans are you using? :?:

I find I cannot use half of the features
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That's a bit of an exageration. The only thing you cannot use is 2100MHz UTMS. Everything else works fine.
You really only have Cingular and T-Mobile from which to pick in the US. Cingular has more coverage, but there are some 850MHz areas where the JasJar will not function as a phone. The TMo $20 unlimited gprs plan is pretty sweet. As others have lamented, the only thing this phone is missing (mostly for those of us on this side of the pond) is a quad-band radio, and EDGE or 1900MHz UTMS.

gadgetgirl said:
The TMo $20 unlimited gprs plan is pretty sweet.
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I definitely have to second this. I've looked at other plans, Cingular as well as going something "non-sim" before I got the Jasjar, and nothing seemed to come close to the $20 unlimited data with TMo. My minutes and data combined with TMo are less than the unlimited data alone with some others.
It all depends on your needs though. I don't spend a lot of time in areas that aren't covered by TMo, so that issue is moot and price can play a larger factor for me.

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ahh I see your point. I just got the $20.00 unlimited data plan. Is there anything special needed to get it started. Does anybody know if Tmo will start coming out with 3G networks?

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xda_dev said:
ahh I see your point. I just got the $20.00 unlimited data plan. Is there anything special needed to get it started. Does anybody know if Tmo will start coming out with 3G networks?
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Unfortunately, the news on 3G networks in the USA is not very good for us Universal owners. Cingular has already started to implement their 3G service in a few markets in the US and will be expanding their 3G service in 2006. I haven't heard anything about T-Mobile's 3G plans yet. Unfortunately, however, Cingular's 3G network works at 1900MHz and T-Mobile's most likely will as well. This means that even if Cingular or T-Mobile provide 3G service the Universal won't work with it, because the Universal only supports 3G at 2100MHz.
In the US, the 2100MHz band currently belongs to the US Military and there are rumors that that band may be made available to cell phone providers in 2007, but even if that happens, but the time the band is available and the service providers start using it I'm sure that my universal will be obsolete.
I'm using a Universal in the USA right now, but I don't expect to ever be able to use it on a 3G network here.
Brett

EDGE on MDA Pro/JasJar
So you're saying EDGE won't work on the MDA Pro? According to T-Mobile, EDGE is already in place in most of its US network. Also, GPRS to EDGE from the providers standpoint basically involved a software update. Can this be done on the MDA Pro as well?
One final question. Anyone know how I can find out if my MDA Pro has the latest rom and where to get updates. My phone came from Germany (T-Mobile)?

The Universal does not do Edge afaik. The HTC Wizzard does do edge. So the only difference between the two for US users (who cant use 2100MHz UMTS) is the low res screen on the wizzard, and the fact that the wizzard is a whole lot more portable. Oh and the mini SD port!
Here in the UK, none of the networks support edge, which is a bit of a pain for wizzard owners! I would have had a wizzard for the smaller size if edge were available in UK, or if wizzard was 3G !
Nigel

Thanks
If I choose then to sell may MDA Pro, what would you recommend as being the most comparable item that will at least work with EDGE and UMTS @ 1900 in the USA. I am otherwise very satisfied but one reason why I paid a premium price was to have something that would not be obsolete too soon, be able to work with the next generation (3G) and be downward compatible (EDGE, GPRS).

I am happily using T-Mobile in the USA. I bought the jasjar knowing that I would be limited to GPRS on the data side. Its many other advantages make the compromise worth it to me.

I am happily using T-Mobile in the USA. I bought the jasjar knowing that I would be limited to GPRS on the data side. Its many other advantages make the compromise worth it to me.

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I too am using my JasJar with T-Mobile in the US and am quite happy with the service. I recognize that I will not be able to use 3G with this device, but I'm OK with that. For me the features of the device far outweigh that single drawback.

USA gprs Internet access via Universal

I am off to Florida for a month and would like to have internet access on my laptop using gprs(Universal as modem). My problem is that I am not sure what the necessary setup is(can i have gprs on a prepaid, what network, settings etc) . I have tried to investigate the possiblilty of a sidekick sims in the Universal but got nowhere. Hope you can help.

Unfortunately, you won't have much luck. The majority of the networks in Florida are using the 850 MHz band, which the Universal doesn't support. You'll have intermittent luck using the 1900 MHz band, but it's not as widely used. If you visit Florida later this year, you'll be able to use Cingular's 3G network that they will be rolling out.
The two biggest GSM/GPRS providers here are Cingular and T-Mobile. You can purchase pre-paid service from them so you don't have to enter any contracts.
What part of Florida will you be in?

But wait, there's more! You can't use the 3G access in the US because Cingular's 3G frequency is 1900mhz and UK/Asia/Europe uses 2100mhz that the Universal has. So, you're still out of luck.

Shame!
There goes my beautiful plan! I am doing the Disney Tour so will be mainly round Orlando/Kissimmee area.
I am assuming that although the GPRS is looking grim, I can still use my Exec as a normal phone, right?

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terapixels said:
There goes my beautiful plan! I am doing the Disney Tour so will be mainly round Orlando/Kissimmee area.
I am assuming that although the GPRS is looking grim, I can still use my Exec as a normal phone, right?
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If you are covered for international calls on your plan with O2, yes. Having been in and around the Orlando area several times, it seems that T-Mobile was the service available most often (as opposed to Cingular, with whom I subscribe.
The GPRS down there wasn't half bad.

thefunkunfaked,
I am on a monthly plan so I think I am covered for international calls. But what I would like to happen is for me to buy a PAYG US sim card and be able to call cheaply within the US(+GPRS if poss).
So if I get a T Mobile PAYG sim card, are you saying I will be able to get GPRS?

Yes, T-Mobile USA uses 1900 according to http://www.gsmworld.com/roaming/gsminfo/net_uswe.shtml
The map for Cingular seems to indicate their 1900 network fully covers Florida http://www.gsmworld.com/cgi-bin/ni_map.pl?cc=us&net=be
But a local probably know better than trusting the map.

Straight Answer on US Carrier Support

All;
I'm trying to find a straight answer on US carrier support for the HD. So far; I've read that there is:
1)No support for the HD in the US
2)Support for GSM only in the US
3)Possible support for 3G depending on your area
4)Working 3G support in some areas
So; what's the deal here? Do we have a "CONFIRMED" working HD in the US? The questions I'd like to have answered in one thread if possible:
1)What carriers are people currently using SUCCESSFULLY with the HD?
1a)What area is that working in?
2)How is the internet speed on it?
2a)If 3G is working, what kind of speed differences are you seeing?
2b)If 3G is working, what area are you in that it works for you?
3)If it is working for you in any form; were custom ROMS needed; or any sort of hack short of plugging in your SIM card?
3a)If needed; links would be great!
4)Any reported and confirmed 'show-stopping' bugs / problems using the HD in the US.
5)Any items or information we need to be aware of when trying to purchase this phone for US use? (Don't buy from EU...don't buy from AUS, avoid certain model versions...etc?)

Answers so far ((so you don't have to go searching for them!))
1) T-Mobile & ATT
1a) Wisconsin -ATT | Chicago - ATT
2) Edge = ok
2a) No - Wisconsin, Chicago
2b)
3) No hacks needed - plug in SIM card, possibly might have to select network from list
3a)
4) Problems sending MMS on AT&T. 99% send then fail.
5)

I'm using T-Mobile in the US.
Didn't have to do ANYTHING special at all to get it running. Stuck in my tmobile sim, it asked which carrier I wanted to use (T-Mobile US or Tuyo or something like that). I selected tmobile and wala.
Don't know about 3G as I do not have a data plan right now (it's $25 / month and I have Wi-Fi 88% of the time).
Have flashed and hard-resetted many times since with no problems.
ONLY PROBLEM: MMS will not work. I have searched all over and made sure that I have all the correct settings. However it will not work no matter what I try. Sending usually makes it to 99% then fails. Sucks.

ismisunderstood said:
All;
I'm trying to find a straight answer on US carrier support for the HD. So far; I've read that there is:
1)No support for the HD in the US
2)Support for GSM only in the US
3)Possible support for 3G depending on your area
4)Working 3G support in some areas
So; what's the deal here? Do we have a "CONFIRMED" working HD in the US? The questions I'd like to have answered in one thread if possible:
1)What carriers are people currently using SUCCESSFULLY with the HD?
1a)What area is that working in?
2)How is the internet speed on it?
2a)If 3G is working, what kind of speed differences are you seeing?
2b)If 3G is working, what area are you in that it works for you?
3)If it is working for you in any form; were custom ROMS needed; or any sort of hack short of plugging in your SIM card?
3a)If needed; links would be great!
4)Any reported and confirmed 'show-stopping' bugs / problems using the HD in the US.
5)Any items or information we need to be aware of when trying to purchase this phone for US use? (Don't buy from EU...don't buy from AUS, avoid certain model versions...etc?)
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The HD will work in the US on either T-Mobile or ATT.
I am using ATT in Wisconsin and can confirm the phone will not pick of 3G.
EDGE internet speeds are pretty good. I wouldn't go streaming youtube, however. Wifi is around in more places than you think...
I'm using the ROM that came on the phone. I popped in my ATT sim card and all the settings were detected and it worked in a matter of 30 seconds.

I am in Chicago area on AT&T and it works fine. No 3G data but edge is fine. I am streaming video using a slingbox and it works ok.

Hardice33 said:
The HD will work in the US on either T-Mobile or ATT.
I am using ATT in Wisconsin and can confirm the phone will not pick of 3G.
EDGE internet speeds are pretty good. I wouldn't go streaming youtube, however. Wifi is around in more places than you think...
I'm using the ROM that came on the phone. I popped in my ATT sim card and all the settings were detected and it worked in a matter of 30 seconds.
It's not the phone that won't pick up 3G but the lack of a network or cell masts transmitting a 3G/HSDPA signal. So people,lets not blame the phone if you subscribe to inadequate networks. 3G has been around for over 10 years. I can't believe americans still need a tutorial.
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Canaan said:
It's not the phone that won't pick up 3G but the lack of a network or cell masts transmitting a 3G/HSDPA signal. So people,lets not blame the phone if you subscribe to inadequate networks. 3G has been around for over 10 years. I can't believe americans still need a tutorial.
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it's both the phone and network's fault, the phone for not having UMTS 850, 1700, or 1900. And the networks for choosing those frequencies over umts 900 and 2100.

Canaan said:
Hardice33 said:
The HD will work in the US on either T-Mobile or ATT.
I am using ATT in Wisconsin and can confirm the phone will not pick of 3G.
EDGE internet speeds are pretty good. I wouldn't go streaming youtube, however. Wifi is around in more places than you think...
I'm using the ROM that came on the phone. I popped in my ATT sim card and all the settings were detected and it worked in a matter of 30 seconds.
It's not the phone that won't pick up 3G but the lack of a network or cell masts transmitting a 3G/HSDPA signal. So people,lets not blame the phone if you subscribe to inadequate networks. 3G has been around for over 10 years. I can't believe americans still need a tutorial.
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Wow, a little full of yourself there? It's not like I climbed towers and decided to put 850 bands in America.
I believe if I made a $750 purchase, I would know whether or not the phone was capable of picking up US 3G bands or not.
But I guess your right, I should move to Europe to take advantage of the "adequate" networks.
There is no need to be a jerk about it.
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I'm using mine on ATT, use mostly wifi which has been good, EDGE is good the few times I've used it (based on what I've heard from people using 3G on other phones, it's not that much better than wifi, but I'm sure that's location dependent). I'm using it in NC and surrounding states, have only sent/received MMS a couple of times but haven't had any problems yet. Didn't have to do anything except insert the SIM and choose ATT. I haven't seen the 3G icon pop up so that means no 3G compatibility where I'm at.

TMobile USA is great
I am an airline pilot and use my HD nationwide and it works splendidly in every city I have been to. EDGE is much, much better than GPRS that I had on my Imate Jasjar (Universal) but I would agree that the only drawback is to streaming YouTube. YouTube on EDGE is functional but it uses the lower quality mode.
I am successfully using MMS on TMo here in the USA so any trouble with it might just be a setting that needs to be tweaked. Having had some trouble with that on my JasJar in the past I just set it up manually and did just that when I got the HD. I didn't even try the default MMS settings, just deleted them and put my own in that I knew worked.
As for 3G, didn't work on my JasJar and not on my HD but for me it turns out to not be a deal breaker at all. Having had four different WM devices over 6 years, the HD is blowing me away. I really love it's speed, screen and size. HTC did a really nice (not great) job with the TouchFlo UI and hope that a few updates will make it great. Now that I installed the new Resco Explorer (GSFinder before) I don't need to use the stylus at all! I like that the most.
For those of you in the USA, give TMobile a try. I don't think you would be unhappy with their service and pricing.
Regards,
Gordo

I'm using iWireless (Owned by Tmobile) in Iowa. No problems getting it to work like all the others here. I don't have a data plan, so haven't tested that out yet. And it's just commonly known that the HD doesn't support US 3G.

It supports 3G, but we cant use it because the antenna is set to receive 2100 and 900.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=450670&page=5

jim256 said:
I'm using T-Mobile in the US.
Didn't have to do ANYTHING special at all to get it running. Stuck in my tmobile sim, it asked which carrier I wanted to use (T-Mobile US or Tuyo or something like that). I selected tmobile and wala.
Don't know about 3G as I do not have a data plan right now (it's $25 / month and I have Wi-Fi 88% of the time).
Have flashed and hard-resetted many times since with no problems.
ONLY PROBLEM: MMS will not work. I have searched all over and made sure that I have all the correct settings. However it will not work no matter what I try. Sending usually makes it to 99% then fails. Sucks.
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You may need the data plan for MMS to work properly. I have T-mobile in the US and here is what I did. I signed up for their $9 amonth TZones (now web2go) package. Don't tell them you have a "smartphone" or else you will have to really fight to get it.
It is not great. You have a choice between 100 MB a month or 50 MB and tons of messaging. Since I mostly use WiFi the 50MB was enough.
If they tell you that the $9 plan won't work on their phone, don't fall for it. It will work on any phone.

Everdog said:
You may need the data plan for MMS to work properly. I have T-mobile in the US and here is what I did. I signed up for their $9 amonth TZones (now web2go) package. Don't tell them you have a "smartphone" or else you will have to really fight to get it.
It is not great. You have a choice between 100 MB a month or 50 MB and tons of messaging. Since I mostly use WiFi the 50MB was enough.
If they tell you that the $9 plan won't work on their phone, don't fall for it. It will work on any phone.
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WOW. That is WAY great information to know. So the $9 / month T-Zones is REAL full data / internet browsing? Not some stupid V-Cast like thing?
I have been dying trying to figure out what to do...when I signed up I thought unlimited data was $6 / month (it was some web2go thing for $5.99), then I find out that they discontinued it right after I got my phone and it's now $25...ridiculous. So I have been wondering, should I:
A. Switch to ATT.
B. Have an HD w/ no internet plan.
C. Go back to my vogue on sprint evdo rev a fastest mobile internet in us.
Are you pretty positive about that then? I could sign up for that right now and get 50mb browsing full internet for $9 / month as long as I tell them that it isn't a smartphone?
THANK YOU SO MUCH. AWESOME information for my situation...
Jim.

Uhm... perhaps I am missing something obvious but.
If i go to phone, then select "Options", then select "Band".
I can choose between network type "GSM" or "WCDMA".
Also for GSM/UMTS band I can choose between:
1) UMTS(2100)+GSM(900+1800)
2) UMTS(850+1900)+GSM(850+1900)
3) UMTS(800+2100)
Does that option have no effect? or what?

Is anyone else using their G1 with something other than T-Mobile/Vodaphone?

I'm just curious if anyone else is using their G1 with any other carriers. I'm using mine with AT&T and I love it, even if EDGE is a tad slow (but way better than GSM/nothing).
BTW, I heard something about AT&T implementing WCDMA for their 3G networks- is this true? If it is, that means I'll be able to get 3G on my G1 right? :]

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I'm just curious if anyone else is using their G1 with any other carriers. I'm using mine with AT&T and I love it, even if EDGE is a tad slow (but way better than GSM/nothing).
BTW, I heard something about AT&T implementing WCDMA for their 3G networks- is this true? If it is, that means I'll be able to get 3G on my G1 right? :]
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Yes, I use mine with AT&T. AT&T already uses WCDMA for 3G, but it's on a physically different frequency than T-Mobile's 3G, so the T-Mobile G1 (which only supports T-Mobile's 3G/AWS bands) will never work on AT&T's high speed data network.

I am in the UK, and I use T-Mobile UK as my primary carrier. However, I do travel once in a while, so I got my phone unlocked and I always use a local card wherever I go.

I am in India.I use Airtel on EDGE.

AT&T here, bought the G1 at Wallyworld last Monday.

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Using my unlocked TMo-G1 (not rooted) on Vodafone in Ireland.

O2 in the UK and i get 3G

Not G1 but ADP1 (because its better). Fido (Rogers) in Canada. No data plan at all since CDN data rates are retarded. No loss though since WiFi is everywhere

Fido in Canada

I was using my G1 on the 3 network for a few mounths.

i'm using an ADP1 in the UK on O2 network (pay monthly).
Works just great apart from the occasional 3G connection issue, but I strongly believe that to be my local area - I've had trouble with O2's connection at my house on different phones and with different O2 SIM cards.

I am in Bahrain. Using the G1 with Zain bh. the phone jumps from 3g to edge depending on location, but it has always been very reliable. BTW, mine is a unrooted, unlocked version running on rc33.

I have used my G1 on 3 networks in Honduras Tigo, Claro and Digicel works perfect now if i could only figure the last apn for the other carrier and i be set having tried it on all.

I use a G1 T-Mobile unlocket in Spain tried with "Movistar" and "Simyo", 3G/UMTS works great with both networks.

I'm using the g1 in hong kong with 3 and smartone. No probs at all lol

Im using mine in Dubai at Etisalat , 3G and EDGE are both working very well and pretty fast too.
Using JF ADP1.5

No 3g :(

gents,
i have an unlocked MyTouch, but i'm using it on russian Beeline network and i get no 3G. GPRS works fine and 3g icon showed up ones when i was setting up GPRS, but it never since came up.
I know for sure that provider supports it. Any thing I can do?
is there a way to check locked status of the phone?
thanks

dialbat said:
gents,
i have an unlocked MyTouch, but i'm using it on russian Beeline network and i get no 3G. GPRS works fine and 3g icon showed up ones when i was setting up GPRS, but it never since came up.
I know for sure that provider supports it. Any thing I can do?
is there a way to check locked status of the phone?
thanks
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Are you sure the network uses the same 3G frequencies as t-mobile? There are different sets of frequencies for 3G. For example, the ones t-mobile uses are different than most US providers.
If it works on your network at all then the phone is indeed unlocked.

is it possible to tweak with frequencies maybe at the rom level or are they hard coded?

dialbat said:
is it possible to tweak with frequencies maybe at the rom level or are they hard coded?
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It is most likely the radio can not transmit at any other frequencies (hardware limitation). Even if it were possible, you would need to be able modify the radio firmware to make it happen.

happy thoughts, happy thoughts, happy thoughts.....
thanks

Unfortunately you won't be able to get 3G outside of T-Mobile as I am pretty sure no other company uses 1700/2100 for 3G, even outside the US.

stoneyjonez said:
Unfortunately you won't be able to get 3G outside of T-Mobile as I am pretty sure no other company uses 1700/2100 for 3G, even outside the US.
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Actually, i'm using it on a regional US carrier that uses the same frequency, and at least one provider in Canada uses it as well. I would guess there may be a few others.
Edit: WIND Mobile, Mobilicity, and Videotron in Canada use the same as t-mobile.

Well since your not using tmobile as the provider your problem is you don't have the correct apn settings for your provider you can google them or ask your provider for the apn settings.
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no, my GPRS works fine, it's 3G i was talking about.

Are you sure your provider uses the same spectrum as tmobile it goes from 1700-1799/2100-2199 that's a broad spectrum if you know what I mean.
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Well, they probably don't, but as was mentioned by falken98, it is possible to modify radio firmware to make it work for other 3G provider.
Do guys here in development do that kind of mods?

It doesn't have to do with the firmware its hardcoded on the chip.
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