Hi All
When I have my universal plugged into my USB on my Laptop it dosnt chanrge the device until I switch the screen off is this normal ?
Is there a setting ?
Thanks
Steve
I have the same with USB cables and several chargers (wall and car) I think it depends on the wiring.
Mostly the MDA start charging after a few seconds even if the screen is on though.
Suspect your laptop can't supply enough power through the USB port to power the screen & charge the battery.
You might want to try reducing the screen brightness to minimum to see if that leaves enough spare power to charge the battery.
Mike
It's normal. The laptops suply 0.5A but your charger suply 1A. So you sould keep screen off, or BT and Wifi off if you want your pda increases the battery level instead of decreasing......
Well as I experience the problem it is not a problem of too much load. If I switch the screen back on after it starts charging it works fine still.
sure. Because the screen on eats much power
and it doesn't when you switch it on later?
Let's se. If you turn off the screen using some program (not the pda, only the screen) the energy consumption will be less so your pda will charge. BUT if you let the screen ON the pda will spend more energy than the received by the laptop so the battery level will decrease......
I doubt that is what he is referring too. I assume he's talking about the orange led. That does sometimes not come on when the screen is on, but if you swith it off it comes on and then you can switch the screen back on and charging works fine.
I really doubt that the MDA uses more power than USB can supply. You'd have to have a lot of other devices connected to the same port/hub and seeing how this is on a notebook ...
Probably does not check power requirements all the time so you may get into a position where it can charge & have the back light on.
So one of two things will happen depending on how well you laptop was designed.
1) It will take a very long time to charge while the display is on.
2) Damage the USB power supply as the PDA will take more than the USB port can supply without damaging it.
Mike
Of course I'm not the thread starter, but what I have experienced is that it's not about the speed of charging just that the led needs to go orange and that it will not do so when the screen is on (or with a delay)
So in the end the real problem is that charging does not start when the orange led is not on (as the device remains switched on). Not that it takes longer when the screen is on. Simply that there will be no charging at all.
I have ended up with an empty battery because of this myself a few times. If I remember to switch off the device when it's hooked up then it charges fine if I switch it back on.
I have also had the same problem from a 1A wall charger. So it's not just a matter of power being available. It has to be something with wiring or signals from the charge cable too.
I'll try to see what the difference is between chargers that do work immediately and ones that only work after you switch off the device.
Some USB ports may also be designed to supply power (or a bit more umph!) to external devices. For example, one of my laptops has two USB ports; a normal one and one with a "plus" symbol designed for powering devices like floppy, or USB hard disc drives.
patrickl said:
Of course I'm not the thread starter, but what I have experienced is that it's not about the speed of charging just that the led needs to go orange and that it will not do so when the screen is on (or with a delay)
So in the end the real problem is that charging does not start when the orange led is not on (as the device remains switched on). Not that it takes longer when the screen is on. Simply that there will be no charging at all.
I have ended up with an empty battery because of this myself a few times. If I remember to switch off the device when it's hooked up then it charges fine if I switch it back on.
I have also had the same problem from a 1A wall charger. So it's not just a matter of power being available. It has to be something with wiring or signals from the charge cable too.
I'll try to see what the difference is between chargers that do work immediately and ones that only work after you switch off the device.
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Completely agreed. I have exactly te same situation, whether I use the computer's USB power or a 1A wall charger. I have tried various cables with to no avail. If I want the device to charge, I must:
1. Turn off the Universal by pushing the power button,
2. Then feed the electricity,
3. Then the orange light comes on, and it is charging,
4. Then I can do whatever I want with the device as it charges.
When my Universal was new, it did not have this issue, so I do not know if a firmware update, a reset, or some third-party software caused this to happen.
My understanding is that the display backlight uses most of the power I can get a decent charge by just closing the lid rather than using the off button.
Mike
Mikew said:
My understanding is that the display backlight uses most of the power I can get a decent charge by just closing the lid rather than using the off button.
Mike
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My battery was down to about 38%, charging via USB (Lid closed) charged upto about 83% after about 3hours - Not quick but good in an emergency.
Matt
Got a bit of a weird update here...
Normally, my unit does the same as above...wont charge if display is on, removing cable, closing lid/turning off then applying charge resolves issue.
Now, I used to try the charge cable first, if it didnt work, unplug, close lid, apply charge again.
Past few days, I have been inserting the charge cable in and pressing power (lid still up)...at this point it doesnt charge (does if you close lid instead of pressing power), but if i now close lid and re-open lid, the screen comes on and so does the charge..at the same time ?!?!?! :shock: :shock:
I have tried this process and left lid closed for few mins before opening it, but the charge starts when the lid is opened not closed.
And also, if you get unit charging, then remove charge, you can apply charge again in any power state (within 3 mins) and unit will charge instantly?!?!? After 3 mins you have to mess about with power and lid...
So, is the charge linked to the lid closing, or linked to a change of status of the units power??? :roll:
EDIT: ahh haaaa...the 3 min thing was cos my power down timeout was 3 mins :wink: so I did some testing;
1. lid up, screen on, backlight on - insert cable (no charge), press power (no charge), close lid (no charge), open lid (charge)
2. lid up, screen on, backlight off - insert cable (no charge), press power (no charge), close lid (charge)
3. lid up, screen off (from timeout, not power button) - insert cable (no charge), close lid (charge)
4. lid up, screen off (from power button) - insert cable (no charge), press power (no charge), close lid (charge)
......helpppppppppppppppppppppppp :shock:
Ha, ha, I guess these machines are becoming so complex that they start to become really "alive"
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Got a bit of a weird update here...
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how many secs elapse before you close lid in these experiments? it is normal to wait a couple of seconds before the charge led comes on.. sorry if this was too obvious!
other ideas: the contact is not good, and when you move the unit it could get better.
do you use the usb sync cable to charge or wall charger? i use the latter. supposed to be much better.
cmonex said:
QuaCKeReD said:
Got a bit of a weird update here...
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how many secs elapse before you close lid in these experiments? it is normal to wait a couple of seconds before the charge led comes on.. sorry if this was too obvious!
other ideas: the contact is not good, and when you move the unit it could get better.
do you use the usb sync cable to charge or wall charger? i use the latter. supposed to be much better.
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I have tried these test with USB from laptop, USB from PC, USB from powered HUB, Wall charger and Car Charger...all same results. And I did wait for several seconds before closing the lid, in the vain hope that it would start charging...sighhhhhhhhh.
Only difference I have noted...and this may point to a possible app to fix it...if you use USB cable from PC/Laptop with ActivSync installed, it starts charging more reliably ?!?!? Kinda points to this being a polling problem within the units software ie: activsync connection sends a request which prompts device to check port status, sees power and starts charging...whereas a connection with only power doesnt force a poll. Problem here is, laptop/PC direct connect (as opposed to a hub connection which can cause some problems) is only 500mA power...wall charger is 1A...so charging time on a USB connection is VERY slow.
Anyone know of an application (or can write one) to change polling frequency on device??? Or maybe there is a registry setting that covers this?
*prays on knees* :lol:
You have the problem with the standard MDA Pro charger too? Or do you have another wall charger?
Between the different chargers that I have I see great variation in the time they take to start charging. Some start immediately, some will take a few seconds and some will never start if the device is on (or screen is open) Each charger behaves quite similar every time though.
In my case I doubt software would help much. I actually have 2 MDA pros ( (it fell and the screen broke so I got a new one) They each have a different rom and I think the behavior between them is similar. Although I don't recall ever having the MDA pro mot charge in my car as it did with my old machine.
I'm still guessing there is a difference in a signal line somewhere that the MDA pro detects the charge quicker.
Related
Have had the XDA for nearly 2 weeks now and still getting the hang of all it's features.
I did an initial charge overnight and have since kept it topped up using the PC/USB cable.
As a small security precaution I've got the startup pin number activated so when syncing to PC or resetting the XDA I key in the pin.
This morning when I got to work I just plugged the XDA into the PC USB but got called away to a meeting. When I came back the PC said I had a new usb device and the device had failed, I then noticed the battery level had dropped to 0% (phone on/bluetooth on).
For whatever reason the usb was plugged in but was not charging.
Moral of the story is watch that activesync pops up so you now you have a good connection and that the unit is charging.
Steve
I don't think that all USB sockets are capable of charging the Exec if the screen is on. I.e. they can't provide enough amps to power the Exec and charge the battery.
It helps to reduce the screen brightness if charging is important.
I've taken to using only the mains charger for charging (which never has the same problem) and doing ActiveSync over Bluetooth. I keep the USB lead with me for emergencies only.
I tend to charge it with the screen towards the keybaord and the lid down so the screen is off.
Well it has charged to 100% now, perhaps I'll check the time it takes next time when I leave the phone & bluetooth on (had to turn them off at 0%)!
But to be fair I did not need to reset at all so good old XDA.
Steve
if you press and hold the power button will turn off the backlight, then when your charged press again and hold to turn the backlight back on. should reduce the consumption
If the right hand light goes orange then green when charged, it should be charging.
I advocate the use of a powered USB hub in between your Universal and the PC (ie: don't connect directly to the PC). Plenty of juice available then for charging.
All,
I'm looking for a company which is able to clean and repair my HERM300 device.
It got wet and now when I want to charge it the led turns red.....
When I leave my device on a warm radiator it works and I can use the device...
But it seems to fail when it gets colder....
Any suggestions?
Cheers and thanks,
Hellejoep
hellejoep said:
All,
I'm looking for a company which is able to clean and repair my HERM300 device.
It got wet and now when I want to charge it the led turns red.....
When I leave my device on a warm radiator it works and I can use the device...
But it seems to fail when it gets colder....
Any suggestions?
Cheers and thanks,
Hellejoep
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Can you say a bit more on "fail when it gets colder...."
I ask because soon maybe tonight I'm going to make a post on the charging and Red light problem but I'm just wondering exactly what you mean by "fail"
Cheers
Mike
mikechannon said:
Can you say a bit more on "fail when it gets colder...."
I ask because soon maybe tonight I'm going to make a post on the charging and Red light problem but I'm just wondering exactly what you mean by "fail"
Cheers
Mike
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It blacks out as soon as I connect it to my activesync via USB....
Is it a short circuit?
Or something else?
Cheers,
Hellejoep
mikechannon said:
Can you say a bit more on "fail when it gets colder...."
I ask because soon maybe tonight I'm going to make a post on the charging and Red light problem but I'm just wondering exactly what you mean by "fail"
Cheers
Mike
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I would like to add something, may be you already know, to red led knowledge. I have a car charger (just plain chinese USB charger with usb cable) When I connect my HERMES I could have 3 conditions: orange (charging) Nothing (not charging) or RED (?). If I soft reset, with charger connected, I ALWAYS have orange, after Windows Mobile screen, But if I disconnect and reconect I have ALWAYS No Light
connecting hermes to charger without battery also enables red light.
Charging Problems - Red Light of Death (RLOD)
Battery Charging Problems, in particular the RLOD so called because the phone refuses to charge and the red LED shows, indicating that the battery is NOT charging.
Background
Problems with charging are not HTC or Windows Mobile specific. Similar if not identical problems are reported across many models and platforms. The issues centre around the state of charge of the battery and the interpretive circuitry in the device and charger. Typically a device will show a Red light rather than an Amber charging light. (NB: RED LED always shows when battery is absent or fails to charge). see also http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1076879&postcount=28
Getting the battery to start charging once this light is shown is not always straightforward and is as unpredictable and temperamental as priming a water pump (those that have done this will know what is meant). In other words, and to put it crudely, you need to kick start the system. Unfortunately those that have managed to do this have usually tried lots of things before it starts working again. This makes it hard to be absolutely certain about the solution other than perhaps the last 4 or 5 actions taken.
Those that have managed to recommence charging have not reported that the problem recurs on a frequent basis. (possible exception of in-car charging issue). This issue requires patience and time, (time maybe critical, it is possible the issue would resolve itself perhaps as charges dissipate within battery and circuitry involved). However the following points seem probable solutions and were thought to work by some who resolved the problem.
Failure to Charge (Red LED Lit when charger connected)
Causes of this problem are unclear, but in practical terms events leading up to this issue have included:
1
Leaving the phone on charge overnight (possibly but not necessarily with certain programmes or connections running) It seems a fault occurs in the charging system, which causes the battery charge to drain rather than increase. Resulting battery charge is very low. (Another Blog will be added concerning an Active Sync issue which can cause the battery to drain over-night through repeated connection attempts)
2
Through heavy use or not re-charging often enough so that the battery is permitted to reach a sub 10% charge (not precisely known but likely to be very low)
Possible Solutions:
A
1.) Remove battery
2.) Connect the phone to the charger or USB
3.) Insert the battery while connected to charger
4.) Red light should turn Amber
5.) Soft Reset
If this does not work immediately it is suggested that the battery be removed from the phone for around 1 hour and the above steps repeated.
OR
B
It has been found with some phones charging can be re-started by:
1 ) Remove battery
2 ) Connect charger (Optional. I would try this potential solution without the charger connected the first time I try this. If it fails to work then I would repeat the steps with the charger connected)
3 ) Holding the battery, line it up wiith the phone's battery contacts.
4 ) Move the battery rapidly on and off the contacts
6 ) Repeat the above until the Amber charging light comes on. So after perhaps connecting/disconnecting 20 times, insert the battery properly and give it a few seconds to see if the LED turns Amber.
7.) Soft Reset
NB: I have seen two reports where those attempting this report a fairly loud "pop" sound following which the phone began to charge. However in one case the person reported that they then had subsequent problems of signal reception on the phone and thought the popping sound may have been related to this.
OR
C
If your problems remain after trying this a few times you could always try the following to manually charge the battery a little (enough to let the phone charger circuit detect the battery is present when you put it back in)
1) Remove the battery from the phone!
2) Take 3 fresh AAA batteries in series (total 3 x 1.5V = 4.5V)
3) Connected the (+) wire to (+) on the battery
4) Connected the (-) wire to (-) on the battery
5) Hold this in place for 60 seconds.(possibly longer you are trying to charge it enough for charging circuitry to recognise there is a battery installed.
6) Put the battery in your phone
7) Switch on phone and start charging (via USB)
Hopefully you will get the Amber charging light.It may be worth repeating this a few times if not successful on the first try.
The electrical contacts are all important, poor contacts will render this a worthless exercise.
I leave it to you to decide how you connect the wires. If you have no other means you could enlist the help of someone to hold the batteries and wires together while you connect to the phone battery! Warning - Do not connect a mains based transformer to the battery with an incorrect charge rate (mAh) and voltage (V). Any attempt to force charge using mains transformers could be extremely hazardous (explosive). Only a qualified/competent person should attempt to charge the battery in this way. Similarly, even if you are using batteries to do this task, do not leave them connected for more than a few minutes and stop immediately if either set of batteries become warm.If the problem persists:The final resort - a new battery.
Mike
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Very good article Mike, I linked it on the Hermes problems wiki page
i just want to add my 2 cents to this, there was an earlier post on here that mentioned the car charger deal where it wont charge unless you turn the phone off, plug it in, then turn the phone.. right now i am on my 2nd 8525 and it has done this, but its not only the car charger (cheap belkin car charger) but it sometimes does this with usb cradle i got from ebay, i have opened the cradle and there isnt anything different, its a straight usb connection, hmm except now that i think about it there is a blue LED, but it shouldnt be drawing enough current to cause this. Also i have a motorola charger in my office that i used with my wizard (i believe output is slightly different, if i remember correctly its a .5 amp where as the HTC charger is 1 amp) but it also behaves in the same manner... the only 2 methods that work constantly and consistantly of plugging in without turning off is either the factory charger, or a regular usb cable on the pc..
just seems weird since all of these problematic situations worked fine on the wizard and i believe they both have the power requirements...
let me toss another idea in the fire here on this, something that just occured to me... i wonder if this somehow could be related to the factory installed driver for this. what made me think of this is how the battery meter only goes by 10%.. could this funky driver be the source of the problem?
shogunmark said:
right now i am on my 2nd 8525 and it has done this, but its not only the car charger (cheap belkin car charger) but it sometimes does this with usb cradle i got from ebay
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If your cradle is not connected to your PC, or if your PC is off while you see the behaviour you described, then the likely reason is that pin 4 of the Mini USB connector isn't grounded on both your car charger and cradle. See here for more details.
Cheers
Daniel
pof said:
Very good article Mike, I linked it on the Hermes problems wiki page
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Cheers pof.
Some of the type sizes are a bit strange (but readable!) serves me right for copying and pasting from Word formatting!
Tadzio's link is good/informative and I edited in a link to it in my post - though it's on this page anyway.
Mike
tadzio said:
If your cradle is not connected to your PC, or if your PC is off while you see the behaviour you described, then the likely reason is that pin 4 of the Mini USB connector isn't grounded on both your car charger and cradle. See here for more details.
Cheers
Daniel
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cradle is connected to pc at all times, and i will deal with the car charger for now cause my HTC one should be arriving any week now, but thanks for the tip!
8525 (hermes) Charging may be voltage sensitive
I have noticed with my new 8525 (USA Cingular model of phone) that it came with a 5.5V charger. Whenever I connect to a 5.0 V USB source charging the phone is very "iffy". Given that the standard for USB is 5.0 V (4.75 - 5.25) there is a problem with the design. My question for the HTC crowd is can this be fixed via a ROM change or are we stuck with a bad design?
hellejoep said:
All,
I'm looking for a company which is able to clean and repair my HERM300 device.
It got wet and now when I want to charge it the led turns red.....
When I leave my device on a warm radiator it works and I can use the device...
But it seems to fail when it gets colder....
Any suggestions?
Cheers and thanks,
Hellejoep
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http://www.america.htc.com/support/service-repairs.html
Since you got it wet, it is most likely not covered by the warranty, these and the numbers for out of warranty repair if you live in the U.S. I know that for cingular, you have to ship it to them yourself, and they will charge you a $28 diagnostic fee, before telling you how much is costs to fix the problem (if they even can)
heh here almost the same, providers are charging ~$29.5 USD as diagnostic fee but they are more polite, they first tell estimated costs, and only ask for the sum if you (usually) don't order the repair but need back your phone
Hellejoep:
if you are willing to send it abroad (inside EU) and you are either not need "overnight return" or such nonsense or cover the extra costs such operations really need, you may contact me. no diagnostics fee or anything such (though you will have a small loss.
about the charging problem:
the same issue occurs also in Wizard/Prophet, and Charmer (compactII) as well. though not in Magician, even so that they share the exactly same battery.
I believe it must have something to do with the charging controller. I don't have a disassembled unit at home with me now, but I suppose it should be a crap companion chip from Texas, to be interfaced with the ever-worst TI OMAP platform
(sorry, no hard feelings, pals, but someone using such one as an actual everyday phone must have some sorta mental problem )
strange battery issue
Hi all,
I've a similar issue with any charger.
It happened first with car charger (one cradle with an usb output): sometimes it charged, most of all it charged only when power was off.
Now I cannot charge with any method. (those described here: battery charging problems)
Usb cable (it's not original), original power supply, even with the y cable.
When i try to charge, it drain battery (i tried with a new one) and amber led blinks slowly instead to be firmly light.
There's anything I can do?
It's a SPV M3100 buyed two months ago on ebay.
I tried also with two roms WM6 official release ITA ver and Schap's 3.54b ITA ROM WM6
radio 1.48
Any suggestions?
Herm200/tytn problems
hi to all,
i read most of your post on possible problems with this PDA (HERM200/HTC TYTN).
i'll try to spent some few words to explain the story around my pda.
i live in italy and i bought the TYTN on december 2006 and for 6 months with his software problems i used it day by day in my business activity, untill one day, it falled down the ground from my and with all the leather cover (bundled with the pda, an hard black belt cover); then i took it and picked up a telephone number from my addres book and then putted it in charge for all the night; when, late in the morning, i took it, i noted that there was still the red light of the battery indicator and then PDA didn't turned on.
i tried to make soft/hard reset but nothing.
I carried to the italian warranty service of HTC and after 7 days they deliver to me the PDA in the same state that i carried; on the technical report there was: pcb damaged, battery connector pinouts damaged, pda not Repairable - out of warranty.
i thought: "i have had a lot of care for this PDA that still look like as new one"
and now i have a 700€ of unusefull PDA.
Last day i finally decided to open my PDA to find broken pieces and more.... but nothing.... i observed really well: NOTHING of wrong.
Now i will to know if somebody of you, can suggest me something to revive my PDA or suggest me any service center (affidable) in europe (not like the italian one) where to send it for maintenance: I DONT WANT TO THROW OUT MY PDA!
Thank you in advance for your attention and patience.
ps: sorry for my english, i hope it will be comprehensive.
therock-htc said:
Now i will to know if somebody of you, can suggest me something to revive my PDA or suggest me any service center (affidable) in europe (not like the italian one) where to send it for maintenance: I DONT WANT TO THROW OUT MY PDA!
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If I understood you correctly, your TyTN still works - it just cannot charge the battery, right?
Then, probably one of the cheapest (although not perfect) solutions is to get a cradle that can charge a battery outside the TyTN (like this one on eBay). You will have to power down your TyTN, remove the battery and put it in the cradle every other night or so, so it's not very convenient. But it's cheap. Maybe you'll want to keep this as "plan B" in your mind while you look for a more perfect solution.
Cheers
tadzio
elehcimo said:
Hi all,
I've a similar issue with any charger.
It happened first with car charger (one cradle with an usb output): sometimes it charged, most of all it charged only when power was off.
Now I cannot charge with any method. (those described here: battery charging problems)
Usb cable (it's not original), original power supply, even with the y cable.
When i try to charge, it drain battery (i tried with a new one) and amber led blinks slowly instead to be firmly light.
There's anything I can do?
It's a SPV M3100 buyed two months ago on ebay.
I tried also with two roms WM6 official release ITA ver and Schap's 3.54b ITA ROM WM6
radio 1.48
Any suggestions?
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Hello!
I had also a battery charging problems with my MDA Vario II (TyTN; Hermes; HERM300):
1. Charging from the AC mains supply with the original miniUSB 5V charger: no problems.
2. Charging in the car with the non-original car lighter miniUSB 5V charger: it was charged only when the phone was OFF; no charging when the phone was ON.
3. Charging with the USB-miniUSB 5V cable connected to the notebook: it is charging only when the phone is OFF; no charging when the phone is ON.
So I asked myself: what is the difference between all these three cases? They are all miniUSB 5V power sources... And I found out an answer: It should be a matter of the USB current amperage.
Original AC miniUSB 5V charger delivered with the phone is 5V/ 1A. When I have bought the car 5V miniUSB charger with the 1A (one amper) amperage - there is no problem with car battery charging anymore... ;-) The phone is charged either way: ON or OFF.
But is it possible to charge the battery correctly from the notebook? I think not, because I have no influence on the current value from the 5V notebook USB.
Previously I had MDA Vario (Wizard): in this phone there were no battery charging problems... I wonder why the are some with the Hermes...
Take care,
Przemo
Przemo_55 said:
And I found out an answer: It should be a matter of the USB current amperage.
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This is not correct. The problem is well understood and has been discussed several times.
The key is that your device tries to sense what it is connected to:
- if there is USB data traffic, it concludes that it is connected to a computer. It will then negotiate the current (power) it can draw from the USB port with that computer.
- otherwise, your device checks if pin 4 of the connector is pulled to ground. If yes, it concludes that is is connected to a dedicated USB charger, and starts charging, consuming as much power as it needs. This mechanism seems to work only if the device is on - and sometimes not even then (bug?). I guess the mechanism is implemented in software, so it can't function when it is off.
- otherwise, it doesn't know what it's connected to. Could be a computer in stand-by that didn't power off its USB ports or something. Your device concludes it may be unwise to start charging (could, for example, drain the other device's battery).
The cheap after-market chargers do not connect pin 4 to ground (pin 5), so your device doesn't charge. If you are really good with a soldering iron, try connecting pins 4 and 5 of the charger's USB connector, and you'll see that your device will start charging with it.
Cheers
tadzio
tadzio said:
If I understood you correctly, your TyTN still works - it just cannot charge the battery, right?
Then, probably one of the cheapest (although not perfect) solutions is to get a cradle that can charge a battery outside the TyTN (like this one on eBay). You will have to power down your TyTN, remove the battery and put it in the cradle every other night or so, so it's not very convenient. But it's cheap. Maybe you'll want to keep this as "plan B" in your mind while you look for a more perfect solution.
Cheers
tadzio
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Thank youu Tadzio,
but my PDA is DEAD !
I still don't try to charge the battery separetly.
The reason is that when i carried the PDA to service i leaved the PDA and Battery: i dont wanto to believe that service dont check the battery !??!?
However , i will try to charge the battery separetly and then i will know you the outcome.
Thanx and Cheers
Therock-htc
Hi,
My wizard main battery (wiza16) was very low and the wizard stop with a message “The internal battery is very low”. After coming back home I have tried to charge but it is not taking charge and didn’t turn on anymore. I recently bought a new battery (wiza16, 3.7 VDC, 1250 mAH) thinking that it will work again but still the same problem, wizard is not taking charge or turn on.
Can anyone help me?? What can I do to start my wizard? Do I need to change the tiny little battery (which is inside the wizard)? Kindly help me.
Wizard service manual
Hi,
See if when you connect the power plug the led turns red, if yes....
If Charge light is red when plug in AC adapter, it means the main battery is not charge enough and can’t power on,
You just need to continue charge unit the light become Amber
If not, i think you have a problem.
Check if charger its working and if its pluged.
If it helps --- ftp://ftp.xda-developers.com/Wizard/Docs_Tutorials/Wizard_Service_Manual.pdf
Wizard Battery discharge completely
Hi,
Thanks for quick reply. there is no light when i connect my wizard with PC. I don't have the AC charger, I have lost that for long and was using my PC usb to charge. trying to get one AC charger.
There was no problem with my wizard, just can't turn on after it's battery discharge completely. Even the new battery couldn't turn that on.
You'll need the original charger if the battery has complelty discharged as it will only charge from the computer if the phone is powered on.
This happened to me before.
There is a trick to giving the battery a quick charge which will give it enough juice to boot the phone up and allow it to charge from usb. its not recommended but works.
You will need a spare usb cable, cut one end of, strip the wires back and connect the red wire to + and the black to - on the battery, only do it for a short period, about 30 seconds while conneted to your computer.
You may need to give it a few 30 second bursts to give it enough juice.
Pop the battery back into the phone and switch it on while pugged into the PC
Took me a few attempts to get enough charge in the battery for it to boot up.
Wizard battery
You can also use a 9V battery to jumpstart your battery. But then you have to be more careful. I connected the 9v battery to my Wizard battery for about 15 seconds, then tried to start up my device. If not successful I started again with 15 seconds jumpstart..
But you can find more information here in the forum: just search for jumpstart or something similar....
Regards
huibuh_!
Wizard Battery discharge completely
Thank you all for information. 9V battery method didn't work for me. Looking for AC charger online and get a link (http://www2.dustin.se/pd_5010073700.aspx). Do you think this is the right one? If yes, then I can order.
yea that's the right one but if you have a friend with a ppc or maybe a razor you can use there charger most ac adapters are starting to use mini usb just a way of saving some money even though having an ac adapter is good
could also try and get one of those usb plugs that you can plug up to a wall and plug in a usb cable into the slot
but don't take my word for this wit hmy wizard i haven't had it shut all the way day
if anybody can verify this would work
AC charger not also working
I have got the AC charger yesterday. When Connect the Ac charger first time the red light on my wizard showed for just half second then dissappear. Still let that connected for whole night but no response.
Thank you all for help.
@Keland44, most Razr chargers dont work, they MUST be at least 850mA in order for the Wizard's battery to receive anything. The older Razr chargers are sometimes as low as 350mA, but the never ones are as high as 1.2A, so you need to read the label on the charger itself to be sure.
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@Keland44, most Razr chargers dont work, they MUST be at least 850mA in order for the Wizard's battery to receive anything. The older Razr chargers are sometimes as low as 350mA, but the never ones are as high as 1.2A, so you need to read the label on the charger itself to be sure.
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Yup that is about right,
If the battery is complelty dead, then you need to original charger.
If you have got the right charger and you get a red light and it goes off. your phone might have a problem.
This happened to my last wizard after stupidly trying to dry out the screen after getting it wet which stopped the touchscreen working (i was drying it out while the phone was still on) well my wizard crashed.
Took ages to get it back on but it was very unreliable then one day, it wouldnt go on and charger done nothing. Unpluging and pluging the charger in several times got a red light on.
Sometimes i could get it to turn on, the charger would charge for about 5 minutes then the phone would die soon after.
Your phone might possibly be bricked.
Help :
I Have Same Problem with my wizard
Yesterday my wizard goes died, i think the battery out
when i came home, i use AC Charger for HTC Universal, for 1st time its red light then off,
after 15 minutes orange light, i try to turn on my wizard and works but only in boot loader 5 minutes again its going off again
until now my wizard wont turn on
some body help
This morning I almost got a shock because my X1 stayed black and seemed to be totally dead. Luckily I soon figured out that the Battery was empty, no currrent left on it to let the device even blink. But what happened? When I went to bed yesterday I connected it to the USB cable and left it charging! Everything seemed the same as all the times before. What may have caused this?
Only things that were diffrent from my usual charging procedure:
The Cable were connected to the PC USB Slot.
I shut the PC (laptop in this case) down but the USB Slots had still power. The charging lights of my X1 followed their normal pattern.
Normally I unplug the power cable from PC to prevent the USB Slots to have power. Because my USB harddisk keeps rotating while having power from the USB.
Normally I charge the X1 directly from the power outlet. X1 turned off.
So this time PC was off. X1 was off. USB Slots still got power. X1 connected with USB Slot. X1 seemed to charge normally.
Well, the result was that my X1's Battery was totally empty the next morning. Obviously instead of charging the USB slot drained of the whole battery power! But note that the charging lights were active as normal and the Battery was still warm in the morning.
Perhaps this helps others to prevent such issues.
you are crazy if you:
1. charges from laptop
2. from powered OFF device
you can repeat this case endless - xperia will be drained
Dadaism said:
This morning I almost got a shock because my X1 stayed black and seemed to be totally dead. Luckily I soon figured out that the Battery was empty, no currrent left on it to let the device even blink. But what happened? When I went to bed yesterday I connected it to the USB cable and left it charging! Everything seemed the same as all the times before. What may have caused this?
Only things that were diffrent from my usual charging procedure:
The Cable were connected to the PC USB Slot.
I shut the PC (laptop in this case) down but the USB Slots had still power. The charging lights of my X1 followed their normal pattern.
Normally I unplug the power cable from PC to prevent the USB Slots to have power. Because my USB harddisk keeps rotating while having power from the USB.
Normally I charge the X1 directly from the power outlet. X1 turned off.
So this time PC was off. X1 was off. USB Slots still got power. X1 connected with USB Slot. X1 seemed to charge normally.
Well, the result was that my X1's Battery was totally empty the next morning. Obviously instead of charging the USB slot drained of the whole battery power! But note that the charging lights were active as normal and the Battery was still warm in the morning.
Perhaps this helps others to prevent such issues.
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Don't charge it in standby mode, how stupid is that?
What? I don't see any reason not to charge it from a laptop. Even if it's powered off, as long as the USB ports have power (mine has a BIOS setting for this) there is nothing wrong with that.
Also, what does it matter if you're charging the phone powered off or powered on?
On an interesting note, however, the same thing actually happened to me last night.
I plugged the phone into the wall socket to charge it (battery was at about 20%) and I actually saw the battery percentage rise as I was still using the phone. I turned it on in the morning (from standby, not powered off), and as soon as I pulled the power cable it went dead as the battery was completely empty.
I have no idea what might have caused this, and it hasn't happened to me before.
Next time dont power off ur X1,
if same happends then your battery is suffed.
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1. charges from laptop
2. from powered OFF device
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1) This was accidently
2) Why? I dont like it when mobile phones are on standby while I'm asleep. Charging the device when powerd off should make absolute no difference? Worked everytime but the one where it was connected to a powered of laptop.
Why will the Xperia been drained?
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Don't charge it in standby mode, how stupid is that?
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Do you mean standby or powered off? Why should it make any difference? And why does the battery getting drained?
Jasand said:
Next time dont power off ur X1,
if same happends then your battery is suffed.
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My Battery is quite healthy. *lucky*
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What? I don't see any reason not to charge it from a laptop. Even if it's powered off, as long as the USB ports have power (mine has a BIOS setting for this) there is nothing wrong with that.
Also, what does it matter if you're charging the phone powered off or powered on?
On an interesting note, however, the same thing actually happened to me last night.
I plugged the phone into the wall socket to charge it (battery was at about 20%) and I actually saw the battery percentage rise as I was still using the phone. I turned it on in the morning (from standby, not powered off), and as soon as I pulled the power cable it went dead as the battery was completely empty.
I have no idea what might have caused this, and it hasn't happened to me before.
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What does this BIOS setting say? I assume that my USB slots had too less power when laptop is off. But its very strange that your Device got drained while connected to the wall socket and in Standby mode. Maybe my USB slots were not the cause? Weird ...
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What does this BIOS setting say? I assume that my USB slots had too less power when laptop is off. But its very strange that your Device got drained while connected to the wall socket and in Standby mode. Maybe my USB slots were not the cause? Weird ...
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It is weird. Since your phone was off I don't think it would use any of its battery power.
I have a ThinkPad, and IIRC the BIOS setting is something like "Always On USB", in the USB settings. With this turned on the laptop will power its USB ports even when turned off, as long as the laptop itself has the power cable connected.
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2) Why? I dont like it when mobile phones are on standby while I'm asleep. Charging the device when powerd off should make absolute no difference? Worked everytime but the one where it was connected to a powered of laptop.
Why will the Xperia been drained?
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from powered off PC, when power on usb enough to wakeup PC or feed LEDs,
but not to charge another device. in that case power go into the weaker side, means from x1 -> pc
I had this problem too... seems after hard resetting my phone one time, one option was different to normal after I hard reset,
Click on the battery icon at the top of the screen
Theres a tick box, that says:
"When device is turned on, do not charge the battery when connected to the PC."
this was ticked for some reason. Unticked it, and all was fine.
Try it
I noticed this happened to me too for the first time, after i put in the wall charger and the the phone seemed to charge, i found it completely dead after 3 hours and the battery was warm, running a vanilla R1A
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Also I think for the X1 to charge- it requires activesync. from my experience, when connected to the pc- without activesync, the X1 would indicate charging- but never actually gets charges. Hence when your notebook is off, activesync obviously wouldn't be running-> no charge either.
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Also I think for the X1 to charge- it requires activesync. from my experience, when connected to the pc- without activesync, the X1 would indicate charging- but never actually gets charges. Hence when your notebook is off, activesync obviously wouldn't be running-> no charge either.
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I assume a turned off PC would only power its USB port power pins and wouldn't respond to any transmissions on the data pins. So to the phone it should look just the same as if it were connected to the wall charger (just probably with a bit less power).
Also, when I have my phone connected to my laptop through USB Internet Sharing it does actually charge (it doesn't connect to ActiveSync when using Internet Sharing).
The device should charge in any USB mode as the USB port's power pins supply power regardless of the protocol used on the data interface.
Does the X1 have no safety feature that does prevent the battery from being drained?
In my case I assumed it happened because of the USB Port had too less power. But when you turn off your PC (+USB power) and let the X1 connected it would still mean a movement of current from the X1 Battery --> inside the PC as long as they are not on the same potential. If the PC is earthed somewhere (for example connected to the wall socket) the Battery would be drained out totally! They never get to the same potential as long the Battery has power.
As jjm34 mentioned, if the PC is on and USB slots powered normally the X1 should charge in any case.
Maybe this is not the real cause of the problem. People are reporting that the X1 got drained while connected to the wall charger! That's really weird. How can the battery being drained by this? Any suggestions @Ethermind ?
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I plugged the phone into the wall socket to charge it (battery was at about 20%) and I actually saw the battery percentage rise as I was still using the phone. I turned it on in the morning (from standby, not powered off), and as soon as I pulled the power cable it went dead as the battery was completely empty
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I noticed this happened to me too for the first time, after i put in the wall charger and the the phone seemed to charge, i found it completely dead after 3 hours and the battery was warm, running a vanilla R1A
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It could be:
It's drawing power FROM your x1 to provide power for laptop internal components.
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Maybe this is not the real cause of the problem. People are reporting that the X1 got drained while connected to the wall charger! That's really weird. How can the battery being drained by this? Any suggestions @Ethermind ?
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Mine has. Put it on the wall charger and the charging symbol is there. It reaches 100%, the charging symbol disappears and it shows 100. Then in the morning it's at 90% even though it was still on the wall charger.
I've not left it plugged into a 'running' pc or laptop long enough to see if the phone runs off the battery after it's reached 100%, but it shows the same symptoms. Charging symbol until 100%, then it changes to 100%, no more charging symbol.
Even MSVC stops reporting '% & charging', just reports the % level once it's reached 100%.
I made 2 observations :
It seems the X1 need usb data pins active to charge the battery. The wall plug has something enabled to give power to the data pins (by the way, the wall plug can charge an iPod or an iPhone, it works perfectly). I tried using a cheap wall plug bought in china, no way to charge the X1 or my iPod as there was no power on the data pins. So when connected to an off PC, I'm not sure what's happening. If someone can give a try to analyze this with a multimeter, that would be nice.
It seems also the X1 stop charging after going to 100 %, and won't charge anymore unless you unplug - replug it.
Thanks for your contribution.
Maybe there exists a real hardware failure.
Normally the X1 should charge until the Battery reaches the 100% level. Then there has to be a switch that prevents the Battery from getting overloaded which is good. So charging stops.
The switch blocks charging until you unplug the device once it has reached the full battery level. Thats ok, too. You should not loose much Battery after a full charge and with a device on standby or powered off. And it prevents the Battery getting reloaded at high percentages. Otherwise it would start charging at 99% and stop again at 100 and so on, all the time.
But now assume the switch has sometimes, somehow a failure.
Instead of preventing current to get inside the battery it enables that current can flow into the wall charger.
I do not expect that the current flows into the power outlet. Maybe it gets "lost" in the current transformer that you've plugged into the power outlet (Thats the one you plugged the USB cable in.). Lost means it simply gets warm / hot.
Measuring the current with a Multimeter would be a nice proof. If someone has the technical knowledge and qualification to disassemble the current transformer and the USB cable, you have the go .
I haven't tested it, but I doubt the current flows back into the charger, or back into the USB port on a laptop / pc.
But how does the Battery discharge then? When there is no current flowing out it will stay loaded. (it goes like d(q)/dt+div(j)=0 )
Did you all charge your phone while it is on (standby)? I noticed the same problem when I charged my x1 while it is standby. When I pull the plug from my laptop (I used my laptop for charging, laptop powered on), I get 90% battery life. It seems like there is a switch to cut out the power input if the battery reaches 100% and power the phone from the battery.
Try to charge your phone while it is off. I did it yesterday, and it had stopped charging even before I unplug it from wall output, and I got 100% battery life.
Btw, this is not confirmed yet... it is just based on my experience...
Hi guys,
Suddenly facing a strange problem since last night.
My x10i was running out of charge & i connected to the comp to charge while i was working. I noticed the charging speed was extremely low, so i restarted the phone to see if it would help. Did not.
Thought there is some problem with the cable, used a different cable as well, but no use.
The slow charging had stopped and eventually the phone died.
Tried connecting to the socket & charging, still no use.
The red led blinks when i connect the phone to a charger via the usb or the socket.
needless to say the phone does not even boot up now, obviously for no charge...
any ideas wat maybe wrong or wat i could do ?
please advice
Have you tried to let it charge for some time in off mode? As long as your battery is not dead, and the phone get the right voltage through the USB connector it should charge in an "emergency mode". This is a slow way of charging, but allows for charging without any electronic circuits to monitor it, it is not the same as the charging screen that usually displays when you connect the phone while it is powered off. Usually when a phone is completely discharged it needs to be connected at least 15 min, sometimes a lot longer, before the electronics kicks in, and starts the speedcharging.
My best advise would be to connect it to the mains charger, or a USB port you KNOW supplies power. Some laptops cut down on the powersupply to the USB ports when they run on battery. Let it be connected for a long time (several hours), and then try to power it on again.
If that does not help three things can be wrong
1. Somewhere the USB connection is broken, either in the cable or in the connector on your phone (or on the PC's connector, but that is less likely).
2. The battery is dead, modern batteries contain circuits that actually disables the battery when any given parameters gets outside the defined limits. This is to prevent the battery catching fire. On some batteries this renders the battery useless, and you need a new battery.
3.) The mainboard of your phone is dead, and hence nothing works, can be ruled out if you can borrow a battery from someone to test if your phone works then.
I hope a good and long charge can sort out your problem, that is the easiest fix, and it is free.
Hi O_K,
well, i have been charging (or trying to) the phone since it died last night.
i have used different chargers & different modes of charge (through the system & the wall socket) - no joy at all.
the LED blinks red a couple of times when connected.
Very occasionally, the SONY ERICSSON logo (startup) shows on the screen & it switches off again, back to the blinking.
So charging for a long time & through different chargers has not helped.
gonna try a different battery now to see if that can help.
Thanks for your response!
well, tried switching chargers & batteries.
The problem seems to be with the charging unit on the phone (USB)
with any charger or battery, wen connected the led blinks (like wen the phone is charging), but there is no charge happening.
eventually the phone dies, even if charging
any ideas?
There is a thread some where in this forum for fixing the same problem you have...I don't remember the exact name of the thread..if I find it I'll post the link here..Anyways what the guy did was
-Pull the battery out and connect the charger till the led turns green.
-put in the battery now and charge the phone...
and I think that was it.
Hope it helped..
EDIT: Found the link.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=944322