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I left my MDA Pro dangling off the USB port on my desktop last night and I swear I saw the battery indicator icon report "charging". Pick the device up this morning and within 1 minute of being disconnected from the PC, it bleeps a "battery low" warning and says 1 hour remaining. Blame the user, blame the PC or blame the universal?
Hi xiasma. I took delivery of my Exec yesterday and gave it a full charge from the mains adapter.
Today I have it plugged into and charging through the USB port of my laptop. With my old XDAII, I would leave it like this with the screen on and synchronising all day. I have noticed that when I do this with the Exec it steadily looses charge even though it says “charging”. If I turn off the device or even just the screen it gains charge.
Are you still experiencing similar?
Are you both using high power USB ports? I'm not experiencing any problems using a 'proper' USB port, but if I plug the JasJar into my PC's keyboard (for instance) it will sync, but won't charge the phone.
I guess using a USB hub might have a similar effect? The JasJar screen must be pretty power hungry, so maybe the power filtering through to the JasJar from your PC isn't high enough?
Ahh.... That would certainly seem to make sense. My laptop is a three year old Dell. Maybe the early USB ports put out less power and its not enough to run and charge it at the same time. I will check it out.
Thanks for the pointer
My USB hubs are all powered and linked to the PC and I haven't come accross this issue. Perhaps try one of those?
Joe
Hi joebongo. I spoke to Dell following sub69’s reply and a powered hub is what they suggested as well. I will be ordering on this morning
I am getting the same problems with my car charger too. I am currently trying it with the screen at half brightness but any other suggestions would be greatly appreciated. If anything this is more problematical as I want to run GPS so can't shut the lid.
Hi,
My wizard run out of battery completly yesterday, I brought it home and try to recharge it, but no recharging light will appear.
I left it overnight connected to the mains but to no appeal,
I also removed the battery for a few minutes and then plug again but no luck.
I´m not using the mains provided adaptor but my travelling kit, a proporta mains/usb adaptor and a retractable sync/charge cable with a mini-usb pin cos I´m back home for Xmas and I don´t travel with the mains.
I have read about problems with some chargers from Boxwave, but I have consistently using this charging conbination since October.
Any ideas, should I send it back to expansys to repair, or is there anything else I can try?
Thanks
Elsral
same thing happened to me.. Supposely the phone will not charge from being completely dead without a charger that puts out 1amp. There is another method if you are a little brave... cut up an old car charger and hook it directly to the battery (red cord to + on battery and black to -) Read about it on howardforums and it worked like a champ. I only needed to jump the battery for about 30 seconds before I put it back in the phone and the amber light kicked on.. I was very relieved!!
Same happend to me yesterday. Simply plug the carger in and wait 1 or 2 seconds then switch the power button. After some seconds the carging light should switch on.
The wizard won't charge if it's switched off.
Export800,
you are a megastar,
I put apart a usb adaptor that I had built to charge my gps and I connected cables directly to battery for a minute and Voile,
tnx a million,
elsral
Xunil99 said:
Same happend to me yesterday. Simply plug the carger in and wait 1 or 2 seconds then switch the power button. After some seconds the carging light should switch on.
The wizard won't charge if it's switched off.
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But if the battery is totally dead surely the unit wont switch on ? Thus its a catch 22 ??? There is no power to switch on and the battery wont charge totally dead.
Ridiculous if you were caught out away from a charger and ended up having to pull apart a usb lead to get things back to life.
If the battery is so low, that the wizard switches off itself, and you connect the charger, it won't charge, because it's switched off.
Use the power of the charger to turn it on, then charging will beginn (and also the device will boot).
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If the battery is so low, that the wizard switches off itself, and you connect the charger, it won't charge, because it's switched off.
Use the power of the charger to turn it on, then charging will beginn (and also the device will boot).
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Can anyone else confirm this works as there have been many people having this problem. Simple solution if it works.
Switch off your device completely (hold the Power Button) and try to charge: Nothing happens. Now switch it on - charging begins.
I have noticed that last week, when battery was very low and i know that i would need my wizard in about half an hour. So i switched it off completely, so that it would charge faster and noticed that.
Yesterday when battery was totally dead i remembered that and i switched it on.
Btw, doesn't it damage the battery, if you connect it to 12 V (!!)??
Xunil99 said:
Switch off your device completely (hold the Power Button) and try to charge: Nothing happens. Now switch it on - charging begins.
I have noticed that last week, when battery was very low and i know that i would need my wizard in about half an hour. So i switched it off completely, so that it would charge faster and noticed that.
Yesterday when battery was totally dead i remembered that and i switched it on.
Btw, doesn't it damage the battery, if you connect it to 12 V (!!)??
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If I come across the problem will certainly be trying your method before I will be ripping into any usb leads
The same thing happened to me this past weekend. We were out camping and my MDA's (wizard) battery went completely dead. I had a USB sync cable for my laptop, but that would not revive the unit. I'm afraid the only way to bring it back to life is with the original OEM charger which has an output of 1 amp. Thanks for the post!
I had the same issue a while back. At first I thought the moto charger I had was dead but then I plugged in a old SMT5600 and it worked fine.
I left it plugged into my computer for a hour or so and finally I heard the "new usb device blip" from the other room and it started to charge. Guess I was lucky.
Same thing happened with my wifes SMT5600. The battery died and she couldn't get it to charge with her moto mini usb charger. I plugged it into my machine and a hour later the charging light came on.
I have heard that the Wizard will not charge from my laptop using a usb cable if it is completely drain. I find this to be NOT TRUE.
I ran out of juice twice last weekend. The thing about the Wizard is that, if it's completely drained, it will get stuck at the boot screen, and go no further.
Take out the battery to turn it off again. Put the battery back in, and then plug in your charger. DO NOT TURN IT BACK ON. It needs all the power it can get. Give it a minute, and you will see your orange charge light come on. Just leave it alone for several hours, and it will charge. This is my experience.
I got it! But, first the story.
None of the above methods helped me. I tried plugging it in to a big truck lighter, a pickup truck, even an ac adapter for my coleman cooler. Nothing!
However, I had a powered Pro-Clip mount that I had as a backup for the one I use. Guess what? THAT worked!
I think the cable makes the difference. Need to find the specs on those puppies. LOL
Thanks for the help.
Hi All
When I have my universal plugged into my USB on my Laptop it dosnt chanrge the device until I switch the screen off is this normal ?
Is there a setting ?
Thanks
Steve
I have the same with USB cables and several chargers (wall and car) I think it depends on the wiring.
Mostly the MDA start charging after a few seconds even if the screen is on though.
Suspect your laptop can't supply enough power through the USB port to power the screen & charge the battery.
You might want to try reducing the screen brightness to minimum to see if that leaves enough spare power to charge the battery.
Mike
It's normal. The laptops suply 0.5A but your charger suply 1A. So you sould keep screen off, or BT and Wifi off if you want your pda increases the battery level instead of decreasing......
Well as I experience the problem it is not a problem of too much load. If I switch the screen back on after it starts charging it works fine still.
sure. Because the screen on eats much power
and it doesn't when you switch it on later?
Let's se. If you turn off the screen using some program (not the pda, only the screen) the energy consumption will be less so your pda will charge. BUT if you let the screen ON the pda will spend more energy than the received by the laptop so the battery level will decrease......
I doubt that is what he is referring too. I assume he's talking about the orange led. That does sometimes not come on when the screen is on, but if you swith it off it comes on and then you can switch the screen back on and charging works fine.
I really doubt that the MDA uses more power than USB can supply. You'd have to have a lot of other devices connected to the same port/hub and seeing how this is on a notebook ...
Probably does not check power requirements all the time so you may get into a position where it can charge & have the back light on.
So one of two things will happen depending on how well you laptop was designed.
1) It will take a very long time to charge while the display is on.
2) Damage the USB power supply as the PDA will take more than the USB port can supply without damaging it.
Mike
Of course I'm not the thread starter, but what I have experienced is that it's not about the speed of charging just that the led needs to go orange and that it will not do so when the screen is on (or with a delay)
So in the end the real problem is that charging does not start when the orange led is not on (as the device remains switched on). Not that it takes longer when the screen is on. Simply that there will be no charging at all.
I have ended up with an empty battery because of this myself a few times. If I remember to switch off the device when it's hooked up then it charges fine if I switch it back on.
I have also had the same problem from a 1A wall charger. So it's not just a matter of power being available. It has to be something with wiring or signals from the charge cable too.
I'll try to see what the difference is between chargers that do work immediately and ones that only work after you switch off the device.
Some USB ports may also be designed to supply power (or a bit more umph!) to external devices. For example, one of my laptops has two USB ports; a normal one and one with a "plus" symbol designed for powering devices like floppy, or USB hard disc drives.
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Of course I'm not the thread starter, but what I have experienced is that it's not about the speed of charging just that the led needs to go orange and that it will not do so when the screen is on (or with a delay)
So in the end the real problem is that charging does not start when the orange led is not on (as the device remains switched on). Not that it takes longer when the screen is on. Simply that there will be no charging at all.
I have ended up with an empty battery because of this myself a few times. If I remember to switch off the device when it's hooked up then it charges fine if I switch it back on.
I have also had the same problem from a 1A wall charger. So it's not just a matter of power being available. It has to be something with wiring or signals from the charge cable too.
I'll try to see what the difference is between chargers that do work immediately and ones that only work after you switch off the device.
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Completely agreed. I have exactly te same situation, whether I use the computer's USB power or a 1A wall charger. I have tried various cables with to no avail. If I want the device to charge, I must:
1. Turn off the Universal by pushing the power button,
2. Then feed the electricity,
3. Then the orange light comes on, and it is charging,
4. Then I can do whatever I want with the device as it charges.
When my Universal was new, it did not have this issue, so I do not know if a firmware update, a reset, or some third-party software caused this to happen.
My understanding is that the display backlight uses most of the power I can get a decent charge by just closing the lid rather than using the off button.
Mike
Mikew said:
My understanding is that the display backlight uses most of the power I can get a decent charge by just closing the lid rather than using the off button.
Mike
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My battery was down to about 38%, charging via USB (Lid closed) charged upto about 83% after about 3hours - Not quick but good in an emergency.
Matt
Got a bit of a weird update here...
Normally, my unit does the same as above...wont charge if display is on, removing cable, closing lid/turning off then applying charge resolves issue.
Now, I used to try the charge cable first, if it didnt work, unplug, close lid, apply charge again.
Past few days, I have been inserting the charge cable in and pressing power (lid still up)...at this point it doesnt charge (does if you close lid instead of pressing power), but if i now close lid and re-open lid, the screen comes on and so does the charge..at the same time ?!?!?! :shock: :shock:
I have tried this process and left lid closed for few mins before opening it, but the charge starts when the lid is opened not closed.
And also, if you get unit charging, then remove charge, you can apply charge again in any power state (within 3 mins) and unit will charge instantly?!?!? After 3 mins you have to mess about with power and lid...
So, is the charge linked to the lid closing, or linked to a change of status of the units power??? :roll:
EDIT: ahh haaaa...the 3 min thing was cos my power down timeout was 3 mins :wink: so I did some testing;
1. lid up, screen on, backlight on - insert cable (no charge), press power (no charge), close lid (no charge), open lid (charge)
2. lid up, screen on, backlight off - insert cable (no charge), press power (no charge), close lid (charge)
3. lid up, screen off (from timeout, not power button) - insert cable (no charge), close lid (charge)
4. lid up, screen off (from power button) - insert cable (no charge), press power (no charge), close lid (charge)
......helpppppppppppppppppppppppp :shock:
Ha, ha, I guess these machines are becoming so complex that they start to become really "alive"
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Got a bit of a weird update here...
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how many secs elapse before you close lid in these experiments? it is normal to wait a couple of seconds before the charge led comes on.. sorry if this was too obvious!
other ideas: the contact is not good, and when you move the unit it could get better.
do you use the usb sync cable to charge or wall charger? i use the latter. supposed to be much better.
cmonex said:
QuaCKeReD said:
Got a bit of a weird update here...
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how many secs elapse before you close lid in these experiments? it is normal to wait a couple of seconds before the charge led comes on.. sorry if this was too obvious!
other ideas: the contact is not good, and when you move the unit it could get better.
do you use the usb sync cable to charge or wall charger? i use the latter. supposed to be much better.
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I have tried these test with USB from laptop, USB from PC, USB from powered HUB, Wall charger and Car Charger...all same results. And I did wait for several seconds before closing the lid, in the vain hope that it would start charging...sighhhhhhhhh.
Only difference I have noted...and this may point to a possible app to fix it...if you use USB cable from PC/Laptop with ActivSync installed, it starts charging more reliably ?!?!? Kinda points to this being a polling problem within the units software ie: activsync connection sends a request which prompts device to check port status, sees power and starts charging...whereas a connection with only power doesnt force a poll. Problem here is, laptop/PC direct connect (as opposed to a hub connection which can cause some problems) is only 500mA power...wall charger is 1A...so charging time on a USB connection is VERY slow.
Anyone know of an application (or can write one) to change polling frequency on device??? Or maybe there is a registry setting that covers this?
*prays on knees* :lol:
You have the problem with the standard MDA Pro charger too? Or do you have another wall charger?
Between the different chargers that I have I see great variation in the time they take to start charging. Some start immediately, some will take a few seconds and some will never start if the device is on (or screen is open) Each charger behaves quite similar every time though.
In my case I doubt software would help much. I actually have 2 MDA pros ( (it fell and the screen broke so I got a new one) They each have a different rom and I think the behavior between them is similar. Although I don't recall ever having the MDA pro mot charge in my car as it did with my old machine.
I'm still guessing there is a difference in a signal line somewhere that the MDA pro detects the charge quicker.
Hi,
My wizard main battery (wiza16) was very low and the wizard stop with a message “The internal battery is very low”. After coming back home I have tried to charge but it is not taking charge and didn’t turn on anymore. I recently bought a new battery (wiza16, 3.7 VDC, 1250 mAH) thinking that it will work again but still the same problem, wizard is not taking charge or turn on.
Can anyone help me?? What can I do to start my wizard? Do I need to change the tiny little battery (which is inside the wizard)? Kindly help me.
Wizard service manual
Hi,
See if when you connect the power plug the led turns red, if yes....
If Charge light is red when plug in AC adapter, it means the main battery is not charge enough and can’t power on,
You just need to continue charge unit the light become Amber
If not, i think you have a problem.
Check if charger its working and if its pluged.
If it helps --- ftp://ftp.xda-developers.com/Wizard/Docs_Tutorials/Wizard_Service_Manual.pdf
Wizard Battery discharge completely
Hi,
Thanks for quick reply. there is no light when i connect my wizard with PC. I don't have the AC charger, I have lost that for long and was using my PC usb to charge. trying to get one AC charger.
There was no problem with my wizard, just can't turn on after it's battery discharge completely. Even the new battery couldn't turn that on.
You'll need the original charger if the battery has complelty discharged as it will only charge from the computer if the phone is powered on.
This happened to me before.
There is a trick to giving the battery a quick charge which will give it enough juice to boot the phone up and allow it to charge from usb. its not recommended but works.
You will need a spare usb cable, cut one end of, strip the wires back and connect the red wire to + and the black to - on the battery, only do it for a short period, about 30 seconds while conneted to your computer.
You may need to give it a few 30 second bursts to give it enough juice.
Pop the battery back into the phone and switch it on while pugged into the PC
Took me a few attempts to get enough charge in the battery for it to boot up.
Wizard battery
You can also use a 9V battery to jumpstart your battery. But then you have to be more careful. I connected the 9v battery to my Wizard battery for about 15 seconds, then tried to start up my device. If not successful I started again with 15 seconds jumpstart..
But you can find more information here in the forum: just search for jumpstart or something similar....
Regards
huibuh_!
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Thank you all for information. 9V battery method didn't work for me. Looking for AC charger online and get a link (http://www2.dustin.se/pd_5010073700.aspx). Do you think this is the right one? If yes, then I can order.
yea that's the right one but if you have a friend with a ppc or maybe a razor you can use there charger most ac adapters are starting to use mini usb just a way of saving some money even though having an ac adapter is good
could also try and get one of those usb plugs that you can plug up to a wall and plug in a usb cable into the slot
but don't take my word for this wit hmy wizard i haven't had it shut all the way day
if anybody can verify this would work
AC charger not also working
I have got the AC charger yesterday. When Connect the Ac charger first time the red light on my wizard showed for just half second then dissappear. Still let that connected for whole night but no response.
Thank you all for help.
@Keland44, most Razr chargers dont work, they MUST be at least 850mA in order for the Wizard's battery to receive anything. The older Razr chargers are sometimes as low as 350mA, but the never ones are as high as 1.2A, so you need to read the label on the charger itself to be sure.
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@Keland44, most Razr chargers dont work, they MUST be at least 850mA in order for the Wizard's battery to receive anything. The older Razr chargers are sometimes as low as 350mA, but the never ones are as high as 1.2A, so you need to read the label on the charger itself to be sure.
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Yup that is about right,
If the battery is complelty dead, then you need to original charger.
If you have got the right charger and you get a red light and it goes off. your phone might have a problem.
This happened to my last wizard after stupidly trying to dry out the screen after getting it wet which stopped the touchscreen working (i was drying it out while the phone was still on) well my wizard crashed.
Took ages to get it back on but it was very unreliable then one day, it wouldnt go on and charger done nothing. Unpluging and pluging the charger in several times got a red light on.
Sometimes i could get it to turn on, the charger would charge for about 5 minutes then the phone would die soon after.
Your phone might possibly be bricked.
Help :
I Have Same Problem with my wizard
Yesterday my wizard goes died, i think the battery out
when i came home, i use AC Charger for HTC Universal, for 1st time its red light then off,
after 15 minutes orange light, i try to turn on my wizard and works but only in boot loader 5 minutes again its going off again
until now my wizard wont turn on
some body help
This morning I almost got a shock because my X1 stayed black and seemed to be totally dead. Luckily I soon figured out that the Battery was empty, no currrent left on it to let the device even blink. But what happened? When I went to bed yesterday I connected it to the USB cable and left it charging! Everything seemed the same as all the times before. What may have caused this?
Only things that were diffrent from my usual charging procedure:
The Cable were connected to the PC USB Slot.
I shut the PC (laptop in this case) down but the USB Slots had still power. The charging lights of my X1 followed their normal pattern.
Normally I unplug the power cable from PC to prevent the USB Slots to have power. Because my USB harddisk keeps rotating while having power from the USB.
Normally I charge the X1 directly from the power outlet. X1 turned off.
So this time PC was off. X1 was off. USB Slots still got power. X1 connected with USB Slot. X1 seemed to charge normally.
Well, the result was that my X1's Battery was totally empty the next morning. Obviously instead of charging the USB slot drained of the whole battery power! But note that the charging lights were active as normal and the Battery was still warm in the morning.
Perhaps this helps others to prevent such issues.
you are crazy if you:
1. charges from laptop
2. from powered OFF device
you can repeat this case endless - xperia will be drained
Dadaism said:
This morning I almost got a shock because my X1 stayed black and seemed to be totally dead. Luckily I soon figured out that the Battery was empty, no currrent left on it to let the device even blink. But what happened? When I went to bed yesterday I connected it to the USB cable and left it charging! Everything seemed the same as all the times before. What may have caused this?
Only things that were diffrent from my usual charging procedure:
The Cable were connected to the PC USB Slot.
I shut the PC (laptop in this case) down but the USB Slots had still power. The charging lights of my X1 followed their normal pattern.
Normally I unplug the power cable from PC to prevent the USB Slots to have power. Because my USB harddisk keeps rotating while having power from the USB.
Normally I charge the X1 directly from the power outlet. X1 turned off.
So this time PC was off. X1 was off. USB Slots still got power. X1 connected with USB Slot. X1 seemed to charge normally.
Well, the result was that my X1's Battery was totally empty the next morning. Obviously instead of charging the USB slot drained of the whole battery power! But note that the charging lights were active as normal and the Battery was still warm in the morning.
Perhaps this helps others to prevent such issues.
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Don't charge it in standby mode, how stupid is that?
What? I don't see any reason not to charge it from a laptop. Even if it's powered off, as long as the USB ports have power (mine has a BIOS setting for this) there is nothing wrong with that.
Also, what does it matter if you're charging the phone powered off or powered on?
On an interesting note, however, the same thing actually happened to me last night.
I plugged the phone into the wall socket to charge it (battery was at about 20%) and I actually saw the battery percentage rise as I was still using the phone. I turned it on in the morning (from standby, not powered off), and as soon as I pulled the power cable it went dead as the battery was completely empty.
I have no idea what might have caused this, and it hasn't happened to me before.
Next time dont power off ur X1,
if same happends then your battery is suffed.
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1. charges from laptop
2. from powered OFF device
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1) This was accidently
2) Why? I dont like it when mobile phones are on standby while I'm asleep. Charging the device when powerd off should make absolute no difference? Worked everytime but the one where it was connected to a powered of laptop.
Why will the Xperia been drained?
poetryrocksalot said:
Don't charge it in standby mode, how stupid is that?
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Do you mean standby or powered off? Why should it make any difference? And why does the battery getting drained?
Jasand said:
Next time dont power off ur X1,
if same happends then your battery is suffed.
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My Battery is quite healthy. *lucky*
jjm34 said:
What? I don't see any reason not to charge it from a laptop. Even if it's powered off, as long as the USB ports have power (mine has a BIOS setting for this) there is nothing wrong with that.
Also, what does it matter if you're charging the phone powered off or powered on?
On an interesting note, however, the same thing actually happened to me last night.
I plugged the phone into the wall socket to charge it (battery was at about 20%) and I actually saw the battery percentage rise as I was still using the phone. I turned it on in the morning (from standby, not powered off), and as soon as I pulled the power cable it went dead as the battery was completely empty.
I have no idea what might have caused this, and it hasn't happened to me before.
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What does this BIOS setting say? I assume that my USB slots had too less power when laptop is off. But its very strange that your Device got drained while connected to the wall socket and in Standby mode. Maybe my USB slots were not the cause? Weird ...
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What does this BIOS setting say? I assume that my USB slots had too less power when laptop is off. But its very strange that your Device got drained while connected to the wall socket and in Standby mode. Maybe my USB slots were not the cause? Weird ...
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It is weird. Since your phone was off I don't think it would use any of its battery power.
I have a ThinkPad, and IIRC the BIOS setting is something like "Always On USB", in the USB settings. With this turned on the laptop will power its USB ports even when turned off, as long as the laptop itself has the power cable connected.
Dadaism said:
2) Why? I dont like it when mobile phones are on standby while I'm asleep. Charging the device when powerd off should make absolute no difference? Worked everytime but the one where it was connected to a powered of laptop.
Why will the Xperia been drained?
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from powered off PC, when power on usb enough to wakeup PC or feed LEDs,
but not to charge another device. in that case power go into the weaker side, means from x1 -> pc
I had this problem too... seems after hard resetting my phone one time, one option was different to normal after I hard reset,
Click on the battery icon at the top of the screen
Theres a tick box, that says:
"When device is turned on, do not charge the battery when connected to the PC."
this was ticked for some reason. Unticked it, and all was fine.
Try it
I noticed this happened to me too for the first time, after i put in the wall charger and the the phone seemed to charge, i found it completely dead after 3 hours and the battery was warm, running a vanilla R1A
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Also I think for the X1 to charge- it requires activesync. from my experience, when connected to the pc- without activesync, the X1 would indicate charging- but never actually gets charges. Hence when your notebook is off, activesync obviously wouldn't be running-> no charge either.
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Also I think for the X1 to charge- it requires activesync. from my experience, when connected to the pc- without activesync, the X1 would indicate charging- but never actually gets charges. Hence when your notebook is off, activesync obviously wouldn't be running-> no charge either.
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I assume a turned off PC would only power its USB port power pins and wouldn't respond to any transmissions on the data pins. So to the phone it should look just the same as if it were connected to the wall charger (just probably with a bit less power).
Also, when I have my phone connected to my laptop through USB Internet Sharing it does actually charge (it doesn't connect to ActiveSync when using Internet Sharing).
The device should charge in any USB mode as the USB port's power pins supply power regardless of the protocol used on the data interface.
Does the X1 have no safety feature that does prevent the battery from being drained?
In my case I assumed it happened because of the USB Port had too less power. But when you turn off your PC (+USB power) and let the X1 connected it would still mean a movement of current from the X1 Battery --> inside the PC as long as they are not on the same potential. If the PC is earthed somewhere (for example connected to the wall socket) the Battery would be drained out totally! They never get to the same potential as long the Battery has power.
As jjm34 mentioned, if the PC is on and USB slots powered normally the X1 should charge in any case.
Maybe this is not the real cause of the problem. People are reporting that the X1 got drained while connected to the wall charger! That's really weird. How can the battery being drained by this? Any suggestions @Ethermind ?
jjm34 said:
I plugged the phone into the wall socket to charge it (battery was at about 20%) and I actually saw the battery percentage rise as I was still using the phone. I turned it on in the morning (from standby, not powered off), and as soon as I pulled the power cable it went dead as the battery was completely empty
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viperhead said:
I noticed this happened to me too for the first time, after i put in the wall charger and the the phone seemed to charge, i found it completely dead after 3 hours and the battery was warm, running a vanilla R1A
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It could be:
It's drawing power FROM your x1 to provide power for laptop internal components.
Dadaism said:
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Maybe this is not the real cause of the problem. People are reporting that the X1 got drained while connected to the wall charger! That's really weird. How can the battery being drained by this? Any suggestions @Ethermind ?
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Mine has. Put it on the wall charger and the charging symbol is there. It reaches 100%, the charging symbol disappears and it shows 100. Then in the morning it's at 90% even though it was still on the wall charger.
I've not left it plugged into a 'running' pc or laptop long enough to see if the phone runs off the battery after it's reached 100%, but it shows the same symptoms. Charging symbol until 100%, then it changes to 100%, no more charging symbol.
Even MSVC stops reporting '% & charging', just reports the % level once it's reached 100%.
I made 2 observations :
It seems the X1 need usb data pins active to charge the battery. The wall plug has something enabled to give power to the data pins (by the way, the wall plug can charge an iPod or an iPhone, it works perfectly). I tried using a cheap wall plug bought in china, no way to charge the X1 or my iPod as there was no power on the data pins. So when connected to an off PC, I'm not sure what's happening. If someone can give a try to analyze this with a multimeter, that would be nice.
It seems also the X1 stop charging after going to 100 %, and won't charge anymore unless you unplug - replug it.
Thanks for your contribution.
Maybe there exists a real hardware failure.
Normally the X1 should charge until the Battery reaches the 100% level. Then there has to be a switch that prevents the Battery from getting overloaded which is good. So charging stops.
The switch blocks charging until you unplug the device once it has reached the full battery level. Thats ok, too. You should not loose much Battery after a full charge and with a device on standby or powered off. And it prevents the Battery getting reloaded at high percentages. Otherwise it would start charging at 99% and stop again at 100 and so on, all the time.
But now assume the switch has sometimes, somehow a failure.
Instead of preventing current to get inside the battery it enables that current can flow into the wall charger.
I do not expect that the current flows into the power outlet. Maybe it gets "lost" in the current transformer that you've plugged into the power outlet (Thats the one you plugged the USB cable in.). Lost means it simply gets warm / hot.
Measuring the current with a Multimeter would be a nice proof. If someone has the technical knowledge and qualification to disassemble the current transformer and the USB cable, you have the go .
I haven't tested it, but I doubt the current flows back into the charger, or back into the USB port on a laptop / pc.
But how does the Battery discharge then? When there is no current flowing out it will stay loaded. (it goes like d(q)/dt+div(j)=0 )
Did you all charge your phone while it is on (standby)? I noticed the same problem when I charged my x1 while it is standby. When I pull the plug from my laptop (I used my laptop for charging, laptop powered on), I get 90% battery life. It seems like there is a switch to cut out the power input if the battery reaches 100% and power the phone from the battery.
Try to charge your phone while it is off. I did it yesterday, and it had stopped charging even before I unplug it from wall output, and I got 100% battery life.
Btw, this is not confirmed yet... it is just based on my experience...