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XDA II Photo!

Well...finally, here it is. Note the lack of antenna and digital camera on the back ....mmmm...yummy :wink:
http://www.msmobiles.com/news.php/1028.html[/img]

Oops...
I was going to attach an image but backed out so heres the proper address:
http://www.msmobiles.com/news.php/1028.html

Looks to me more like fake
btw... new design (c) Sony Ericsson AB? looks like T610

Same Photo, but CLEAR
XDA II Photo
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Still looks like fake... I think it will look more like Samsung, flat, sharp, SMALL...

Unfortunately, having had the xda for a few months I've come to this conclusion.... you cant have small with this kind of device!
Normal hand held use
I got cramp in my hand using the Sony Erricsson for 20 minutes. This was mainly due to its smaller size, otherwise its a good device. Again I wouldnt want to write a story on it for 2 hours like I did waiting in a car-park the other day on the xda
GPS Navigation
Consequently the xda screen-size is also perfect for GPS use in the car, again, with a smaller screen I wouldnt like using it in that application either.
The only possible way it could be improved size wise is with two screens, in a fold out flip-phone configuration, with the same overall screen size as now, but it would be a pain for GPS.
Basically, If you want a tiny phone, this isnt for you. If you want a device that is highly versatile, ergonomic which just happens to also be a phone, (e.g. as a secondary function) a pocket pc xda / xda2 is excellent.

Groan,.... when are mobile manufacturers going to realise that the xda's user demographic already own decent digital cameras.
The effect of this will be you never use it, unless you're out minus digital camera and see a ufo.
lets face it a ufo would have to be pretty close at 640x480 to make it worth taking a picture of!
Wouldnt it be better to not bother with a built in camera until streaming video calls become affordable/technically available.

It doesn't like a phone anymore......
I'm afraid the signal will not be as good as the old XDA..

xda 2
hi
isnt it a shame they havent fitted a decent camera. especially with the 65000 colours. and why havent the put blue tooth as standard.
regards kevin b

Bluetooth is standard.
WiFi optional via the SDIO slot

says it aint says is optional via sdio slot thats stupid thats theres no bluetoothe

Wait till you have a play with it......very very good!

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kevin.beecher said:
hi
isnt it a shame they havent fitted a decent camera. especially with the 65000 colours. and why havent the put blue tooth as standard.
regards kevin b
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Bluetooth is standard and the Camera is very good

hi
how do you know its good any sample pics.
regards kevin :lol:

To an earlier poster:
These photos are certainly not fakes. In fact I'm trialling an O2 Xda II right now
A cracking wireless pocket pc with a useful still/video camera.

better picture...
There's a good picture and an official T-Mobile announcement here:
http://www.infosync.no/news/2002/n/3952.html
..lance

Here is the O2 Announcement for everyone
http://www.sourceo2.com/News/Press_+releases/01.07.2003-3.htm
Tells a lot more than the T-Mobile site and has realistic dates as well!! :lol:

kevin b said:
hi
how do you know its good any sample pics.
regards kevin :lol:
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Because I have played with it.........

derekcfoley said:
Groan,.... when are mobile manufacturers going to realise that the xda's user demographic already own decent digital cameras.
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The camera's a reason for me NOT TO BUY an XDAII: In the industry I'm in, camera phones are banned for reasons of espionage. Manufacturers should keep in mind that this applies to many other businesses as well. The time will come when we have to go back to old fashioned wired phones on our desks because no wireless device will be available without a camera.
... it would really hurt to buy a new device and immediately treat the camera with a nail and hammer!
Martin

That's really stupid. If you can't be trusted to begin with, you could very well sneak in a mini digital camera anyway. Idiots.

How do I replace my lost JasJar?

Well, I'm officially an idiot....I left my JJ on the Eurostar on Sunday. And some lucky train sanitation agent has obviously seen it as a good opportunity to make a couple of quid (despite the offer of a reward )
Fortunately, apart from a couple of photos of Paris everything was backed up. I've managed to remote wipe it (Thanks to AKU2), and IIWPO is installed in the ROM (Thanks to XDA-Dev!!) so I'm waiting to see if my wife gets a text message that I can follow up on....
For now though, I've been relegated to using my trusty Tornado. (Although I keep finding myself prodding at the screen with a pencil in a vain attempt to recreate the happy days of PPC ownership....)
Anyway, my question is this:
I found the Universal to be pretty bulky. Not too bad, but I'd prefer something a bit smaller. My choices as I see them are:
1) Get a replacement Universal now and put up with the size.
2) Get a Fujitsu Siemens T830 in July and put up with a puny screen.
3) The HTC Hermes - pretty much exactly what I'm after, but God only knows how long I'll have to wait...and I'm impatient!
Any other sensible suggestions would be very welcome. Are there any other Universal replacements on the horizon that I may have missed?
Thanks!

I think I'm jumping ship to the Mio A701 tomorrow I want more toys (GPS), and can live without keyboard.
Hermes still seems an incremental improvement to me. Nice idea, but not quite what I'm after. And I think it looks a bit poo...
But then, I've still got my Universal, Magician and P900
V

I did consider the Mio. it looks nice and more toys are always good, but I use a lot of 'connected' functions so the lack of WiFi or 3G kills it for me. Looking at that device that led me to finding the T830...
If only the screen of the T830 wasn't so rubbish, I think this would be a no-brainer, but as it is I may stick with a Universal variant (and it's bulk) until something better comes along.
And the Hermes is pretty ugly, It's only a consideration over the T830 because (again) of the better screen. I think I've just been spoiled by the VGA lovliness of my dear departed JasJar, so I don't want to downgrade too far...

Fuji looks very nice. But screen is 240x240? Sigh...
I don't use my Universal much, but I really want a proper handheld with VGA. I'd go blind (it's hard enough to see on the Universal), but 240x240 is bad
Wifi isn't so bad for me, I've got a wifi card. 3G - useful, but I don't use it in the UK really. Does the Benq have a qvga screen? It's old skool, but if screen space is a priority...
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V

Well if i were you i would stuck with the universal, because there isn't another similar phone/pocket pc with the same specs and a VGA screen ! I bought one because it was the only one with the darn VGA screen !!
It only the Atom had a VGA screen... ohh well !!!

You want VGA Screen?
Google this:
Sharp W-Zero3

raymondu999 said:
You want VGA Screen?
Google this:
Sharp W-Zero3
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He probably also wants something he can actually buy. :roll:

I'll be able to live without a VGA screen. Just not sure I want to go as lo-fi as 240x240. Mainly because of software compatibility problems...WM5 has precious little decent software already, without complicating matters further.
If the T830 was QVGA it'd be perfect (well...close enough to perfect!). I think I need to do some research on the problems with square screens, then I'll decide on whether to wait for the T830, or just get another Uni.
Thanks though, I do at least know that I haven't forgotten anything. You wait, when they start releasing Ultraportable PC's with built in 3G and voice capabilities, I'm really going to struggle...!

What about:
Advance TC M.A.G.I.C.?
How about a list of what you REALLY want to be there (at least)

All I want is a PPC with:
-AKU2 (for Push-Mail and A2DP)
-3G and WiFi (for decent connection speeds)
The most important NON-essential features are:
-Keyboard
-QVGA screen (or better)
-GPS
Obviously, I'd appreciate anything over and above that, so the more bolt-ons the better. And yes, something that I have a chance of buying in the UK within the next couple of months would be good.
I realise that limits me to roughly one device that's currently available, but the T830 is on it's way, the Hermes is possibly on it's way, Shame the Trinity will take about a million years to surface (if ever).

Finally Saw a Cingular 8500

I've had my 8525 for about 2 months now, and in all the literature you see it mentions an 8500, but all this time I thought it was just a pre-production prototype, or just a way of refering to the Hermes based phone series. Well, I had my phone out yesterday at a meet and greet and a guy goes "I've got that same phone but without the camera". One thing led to another, and I shot some pictures of it.
Maybe you guys have seen them before, maybe not... maybe ya just don't care. Whatever, I thought it was interesting how they blacked out the camera and flash, while still keeping the camera button.
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Forgive me for asking, but is that phone supposed to be for folk who work in companies that have a rule against cameras. Otherwise it seems very shoddy to still have the button and camera frame etc but no camera! Surely a back could have been designed not to look completely daft with those camera bits and the button, it could have been rebadged to some other function.
Mike

The guy who had it was a contractor for the government, and certain areas he is in, they don't allow cameras of any kind. Until he got this phone, as you know, the only phones he could find were really crappy phones.
And, I agree they could've... but with the low production, and low demand for it, why bother? That is way better than the last non-camera phone he had.

I guess your right
Mike

Believe it or not, the 8500 was released by cingular's B2B sales department about a month and a half before the 8525. I was in the Cingular corporate store here in austin (a friend works there) and I got to check one out. And yes you guys are right, its made for people who work in places where camera's aren't allowed, BUT since it still has the casing for the camera, many government offices still don't allow it!!! hahah, nice try cingular.
Also there was a report on one of the PPC blogs that if you open the device up, all you have to do is add a camera from a 8525 and your good to go, no other hardware mod's needed. Other than a back cover with a lens on it.
If the made the battery cover completely flat without the camera cover, it would have been more successful, but I guess they overlooked that.

fone_fanatic said:
Also there was a report on one of the PPC blogs that if you open the device up, all you have to do is add a camera from a 8525 and your good to go, no other hardware mod's needed. Other than a back cover with a lens on it.
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Is there any source for that? (other than finding someone ditching a dead 8525?)
Mike

Hey! I have the cingy 8500. Everything is the same as the 8525, just no camera. The camera button takes me straight to my pictures folder. fone_fanatic is correct. The phone *looks* like it still has a camera unless inspected a little closer. The bad thing, it still can't go where camera phones are not allowed (though, usually these places dont allow ANY phones anyway), the good thing, the phone CAN use extended life batteries. Seems all the extended life battery companies only make the back cover WITH the holes in it for the camera. If we didn't have the blank off stuff, we'd be out of luck in regards to extended batteries....
ps this is my first post... be gentle.

Alright, another Austinite!
fone_fanatic said:
Believe it or not, the 8500 was released by cingular's B2B sales department about a month and a half before the 8525. I was in the Cingular corporate store here in austin (a friend works there) and I got to check one out. And yes you guys are right, its made for people who work in places where camera's aren't allowed, BUT since it still has the casing for the camera, many government offices still don't allow it!!! hahah, nice try cingular.
Also there was a report on one of the PPC blogs that if you open the device up, all you have to do is add a camera from a 8525 and your good to go, no other hardware mod's needed. Other than a back cover with a lens on it.
If the made the battery cover completely flat without the camera cover, it would have been more successful, but I guess they overlooked that.
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How to deal with no flash on Camera?

Hey guys,
I just joined the club yesterday....got myself a new Touch!
I gotta say ive already pimped it out with a lot of programs, but the camera I am very disappointed with......
Is there an app/program to add features so pictures dont look sooo grainy/bad when shooting in less than optimal light conditions?
Thx

never heard of it and low light condition always been the bane of cmos cameras

Rudegar said:
never heard of it and low light condition always been the bane of cmos cameras
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so how do u guys deal with bad low light pics?
or do u just live with it?

Snazarian said:
so how do u guys deal with bad low light pics?
or do u just live with it?
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Personally, I never buy a phone for the camera
I use the built in cam for quick shots when I'm out and too lazy to bring or turn on my "real" camera. Mostly, I'll take pictures of things I want to remember, like signs, flyers and ads. That's a handy trick for bargain hunters by the way.
If you really want to use this for a camera frequently (I don't blame you for not wanting to carry two devices) try to make the best of it. There's always some kind of light source, it's a matter of knowing where to place your subject to get maximum light. Try different backgrounds too, if available. Depending on the light and the subject, a lighter or darker background can make the picture clearer.
You'll still get dim photos of course, especially when taking random shots of everyday life. Two tips: 1. Learn to use the brightness/contrast controls that are available in just about any photo editor. 2. Keep your camera steady (maybe brace it against a table or a wall.)
My number one tip though, is get a dedicated digital camera from a respected brand.

I did an experiment...
See image below
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I think it looks better with flash.....

LOL @ e-town, def looks better with Flash!

e_town said:
See image below
http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/1096/2137a9950nf3.jpg
I think it looks better with flash.....
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roflmao that was good

lol ................

wow there is a huge difference when you use the "flash"!!
lol

Snazarian said:
Hey guys,
I just joined the club yesterday....got myself a new Touch!
I gotta say ive already pimped it out with a lot of programs, but the camera I am very disappointed with......
Is there an app/program to add features so pictures dont look sooo grainy/bad when shooting in less than optimal light conditions?
Thx
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how about buying a flashlight....

Yeah, a flashlight, I hope that was a joke...

I know this thread is old as hell, but a high power keychain LED works in a pinch

A post-photo option...
If you've got a decent editing program, you can usually enhance the photo enough to make it worthwhile.
If you don't have the program (or the skills), I've had decent luck with http://http://www.vicman.net/mobilephotoenhancer/

gewf631 said:
If you've got a decent editing program, you can usually enhance the photo enough to make it worthwhile.
If you don't have the program (or the skills), I've had decent luck with http://http://www.vicman.net/mobilephotoenhancer/
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how about just turning on a light in the room

New Camera defect?

i was waiting at the vet and decided to snap a picture of my dog
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both the still and viewfinder display show these lines
(a reset to factory settings via the camera app restores it to normal)
is this something anyone else has experienced?

RavenWulf said:
it's just 1 of many screen names of someone who is upset about something the Mods have done.
does the camera only have the issue with stock app or does it do it with 3rd party apps like Camera 360?
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Yea i'd have to agree download a second Camera Application to see if it happens on a secondary program. That will isolate the difference between a bad camera or bad programing.

you know i didnt look and see if camera360 was doing it
my suspicions lie in the camera app getting wonky (see: using multiple programs and getting a bad driver warning...please restart)
it happens
ill check another app besides stock when it happens again
thanks guys

This is a common issue when taking digital pictures under florescent lights. Its due to the frequency the lights flash at.
It is a very inconsistent problem in most cases. A better way to see if there is really a problem is by taking pics in different settings and lighting conditions.

tintingkc said:
This is a common issue when taking digital pictures under florescent lights. Its due to the frequency the lights flash at.
It is a very inconsistent problem in most cases. A better way to see if there is really a problem is by taking pics in different settings and lighting conditions.
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Bingo, this is the answer.

tintingkc said:
This is a common issue when taking digital pictures under florescent lights. Its due to the frequency the lights flash at.
It is a very inconsistent problem in most cases. A better way to see if there is really a problem is by taking pics in different settings and lighting conditions.
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nailed it
the 2x it has happened has been in similar lighting situations

This happens to me with my Epic when I set it to lock at 800 ISO

Whosdaman said:
This happens to me with my Epic when I set it to lock at 800 ISO
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At that point your bringing a lot of noise(grain) in so the issue is amplified.
Many think mega pixels make a good camera. This can be no further from the truth. The sensor and processing is what really makes the difference provided there are good optics(lens). Something you will not see on a phone. Nokia is still the only one that has done well here.
You are going to get noise and banding with cell phone pics unless the lighting is optimal. Its a give and take that has to be dealt with. Phones have terrible lenses and cheap sensors. The two key functions to a quality photo. The only reason they look as good as they do is processing done in the built in software.
The cameras on the phones these days are doing well but will never replace your point and shoot or DSLR.

tintingkc said:
At that point your bringing a lot of noise(grain) in so the issue is amplified.
Many think mega pixels make a good camera. This can be no further from the truth. The sensor and processing is what really makes the difference provided there are good optics(lens). Something you will not see on a phone. Nokia is still the only one that has done well here.
You are going to get noise and banding with cell phone pics unless the lighting is optimal. Its a give and take that has to be dealt with. Phones have terrible lenses and cheap sensors. The two key functions to a quality photo. The only reason they look as good as they do is processing done in the built in software.
The cameras on the phones these days are doing well but will never replace your point and shoot or DSLR.
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Yeah nokia has some amazing cameras on their phones think of if nokia made a android... that would be amazing xD i love their build quality and phones just.. symbian ew

tell me about it
http://thehandheldblog.com/2010/10/04/shootout-nokia-n8-v-canon-550d-dslr/