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Using suggested words when typing on slide out keyboard

Is there anyway to accept the suggested words as you type via the slideout keyboard without having to use the stylus to actually tap on the screen?

There are two ways I know of:
1. press the D-pad down to highlight the word you want and then the middle button to select
2. use the down arrow to highlight and then the enter key to select
FYI - In case you didn't know, tweaks2k2 has a registry tweak that allows for six suggested words to come up -- makes the feature quite a bit more helpful. I am sure you could find the registry hack yourself but why bother.
Hope this helps.

Thanks - i think the default 4 will suffice.

Any Cingular 8125 Keyboard Tips/Tweaks?

I love the 8125 with the exception of two features, both involving the keyboard.
1. Is there anyway to increase the time that the keyboard backlight stays on? And also, to turn the keyboard backlight on as soon as you open it?
Whenever I slide the keyboard out it's a little difficult to see what's on all the keys, as the characters are a light color and they are on a light-colored background. After you start typing the backlight comes on, but you need to tap one key to get it to light up in the first place. Is there a tweak to have the keyboard light come on when you slide it out? Without having to tap a key? And once it's on, can I edit a setting or reg key to have it stay on until I slide it back in?
2. If you'll notice, the first letter typed will always capitalize as soon as you tap the spacebar after completing the first typed word. This can be nice at times if you're typing in a Word document or something similar. However, typing passwords has become downright frustrating! You definitely do NOT want any letters capitalized when you're typing in a password. Plus the fact that all passwords show only as asterisks when typing them makes the auto-capitalizion hurt more than help. I always have to switch to the SIP when typing in passwords, as I get way too many "incorrect password" popups due, I'm certain, to the capitalization issue. Then, of course, changing to number mode (double-tap the round red dot key)can also be hairy when all you see are asterisks - It's difficult to know whether or not the mode changed when you try to reverse the numbers mode.
I've searched here and on the HoFo site to no avail.
Any help or advice is appreciated!

In addition to the above, I'd like to know how to accept an autocompletion suggestion from the keyboard, i.e. without using the stylus.

In Altissimus said:
In addition to the above, I'd like to know how to accept an autocompletion suggestion from the keyboard, i.e. without using the stylus.
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Hit arrow key down and then the enter key. As for part two of J-Mac's post, if you're in a program that has a soft key bar at the bottom this simple registry edit will give a hand Caps/Function indicator:
Keyboard status indicator – adds a handy indicator that shows you when caps lock and symbol lock are activated on your keyboard.
Use Total Commander to navigate to \HKCU\ControlPanel\Keyb
Create a new entry with the name EnableIndicator
Assign the new entry a DWORD value of 1
perform a soft reset

and auto-capitalization can be changed by going to the Input control panel applet, it's on the Options tab "Capitalize beginning of sentence" or somesuch
As for keyboard backlight - no hacks known of for the Wizard :|

BoycottValvoline said:
Hit arrow key down and then the enter key.
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Thanks for that - obvious when you know how!

Thanks for the keyboard indicators - very helpful.
Zeboxx, I already set that option, but it appears to only apply to the SIP - not the physical keyboard.

BoycottValvoline said:
In Altissimus said:
In addition to the above, I'd like to know how to accept an autocompletion suggestion from the keyboard, i.e. without using the stylus.
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Hit arrow key down and then the enter key. As for part two of J-Mac's post, if you're in a program that has a soft key bar at the bottom this simple registry edit will give a hand Caps/Function indicator:
Keyboard status indicator – adds a handy indicator that shows you when caps lock and symbol lock are activated on your keyboard.
Use Total Commander to navigate to \HKCU\ControlPanel\Keyb
Create a new entry with the name EnableIndicator
Assign the new entry a DWORD value of 1
perform a soft reset
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Great tips, BoycottValvoline! Indicator is working fine. That's a big help.
I don't know of anyone who has managed to come up with a way to extend the keyboard backlight, though.I can't find a registry key that addresses the backlight - doesn't appear to be one.

Keyboard Indicator problem
Keyboard status indicator – adds a handy indicator that shows you when caps lock and symbol lock are activated on your keyboard.
Use Total Commander to navigate to \HKCU\ControlPanel\Keyb
Create a new entry with the name EnableIndicator
Assign the new entry a DWORD value of 1
perform a soft reset
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I've done this on my 8125 and I get no indicator when I use the hardware keyboard.
Any help, anyone?
Thanks.

I have an 8125 and it worked fine for me.
Take another look and make sure that you entered everything exactly as shown. You'd be surprised how easy it is to be off.
For example, check Start>Settings>Personal>Input>Word Completion and make sure that "Add a space after suggested word" is NOT selected. (If it is, you may be adding a space after the DWORD value without knowing it).
Plus check your spelling - Case and punctuation must be perfect when creating the registry key.
Finally, perform a soft reset afterwards. Now check the bottom of the screen when the hardware keyboard is slid out. (Make sure first that you have a program open that requires the keyboard.) Try hitting the shift key once, then twice. Same with the Function key. Once, then twice.
Once on, the Shift key shows a "C" and makes shift active for one keystroke. Double tap it and CAPS mode is on and the "C" stays there till you tap it twice again.
Function key works the same, but you'll see a solid dot instead of a "C".

Has anyone resolved the problem with making the backlight time stay on longer?

driven01 said:
Has anyone resolved the problem with making the backlight time stay on longer?
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I haven't tried it, but I found this registry key on another site:
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\ControlPanel\Backlight\QKeyLedTimeout
It should be the number of seconds to stay on. Try 30.

Nah, that's on a few sites - but it doesn't work on the Wizard.
It's a hardware issue; no registry fix can do it on the Wizard.

total commander onto 8125?
cna the total cpmmander be downloaded onto 8125? says it is not a pocket pc program when I tried
BoycottValvoline said:
Hit arrow key down and then the enter key. As for part two of J-Mac's post, if you're in a program that has a soft key bar at the bottom this simple registry edit will give a hand Caps/Function indicator:
Keyboard status indicator – adds a handy indicator that shows you when caps lock and symbol lock are activated on your keyboard.
Use Total Commander to navigate to \HKCU\ControlPanel\Keyb
Create a new entry with the name EnableIndicator
Assign the new entry a DWORD value of 1
perform a soft reset
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denbobp said:
cna the total cpmmander be downloaded onto 8125? says it is not a pocket pc program when I tried
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If it's an .exe file, you have to install from your desktop through Active Sync. If it's a .cab file, just drag and drop it to your phone the Active Sync's "Explore" option.
Then, navigate to the file on your phone and tap it to begin the installation.

Backlight duration
Sorry to teel you guys , but the keypad backlight duration on the wizard is hardware controlled ! ! ! So no software / registry hack will lengthen / shorten the duration !

Default HTC Keyboard with individual Keys

The htc keyboard has 2 versions. One which has the individual keys and the one with the multitap keys. Does anyone know how to make it so that the default keyboard is ALWAYS the one with the individual keys as I am not able to select which one I would like to use.

evilution79 said:
The htc keyboard has 2 versions. One which has the individual keys and the one with the multitap keys. Does anyone know how to make it so that the default keyboard is ALWAYS the one with the individual keys as I am not able to select which one I would like to use.
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I know what you're talking about but I am not really sure how to do that. Like when you enter input for a password in IE it pops up but for some reason only password boxes. That is definitely something to look into.

Check this post for a link to a cab file that - i believe - will disable the 20 and 12 key keyboards and activate the 40 key (password) version. the downside is that you have to give up the predictive text feature.

cortezzi said:
Check this post for a link to a cab file that - i believe - will disable the 20 and 12 key keyboards and activate the 40 key (password) version. the downside is that you have to give up the predictive text feature.
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I feel so honored to have my post cited...

when i install this, and select the keyboard nothing comes up, I still see my defualt. I soft reseted many times, even the used the pin.
any help would be great.
When i go the options, It says "the selected input method could not be loaded"
Thanks

Some used IMSelector but didn't work for my Vogue. I used SipChange and it did the trick..... maintaining my selected default keyboard.

Thanks, but what i meant is.
When i select the HTC keyboard, it's blank. nothing shows up.
is that 20 key to 40 key cab an add on? or do I uninstall the original?
thanks

Where does this keyboard come from?

I have the 16 key touch dual.
So on input options, you have the touch keypad, when I select that sometimes this comes out (please see attached)
I like it thought better than the 20 key touch keyboard.

Yeh... Where?
I second this, it works really well but there is no option to bring it up on the dual... it just randomly appears sometimes when you need to input text.

Thirded.
And whats more, why does text input seem to vary on web pages?
I've got some where it defaults to numeric input when it should be alpha numeric (ie. passwords), others where XT9 seems to be off (the subject on mails in facebook).
Its so stupidly all over the place and inconsistent! If I could just get this one to pop up all the time I'd be happy.

Doesn't that keyboard show when there's no text entry field?
And yes, i want it too, why would they disable it for normal usage?

Yeh I have found the keyboard to be all over the place when it comes to deciding if it will give you tx9, abc, 123, etc.... Anyone know a way to set one of the two alphanumerics as a default at least?

ok ive had this appear a few times now but couldnt figure out why, as you have been asking for it i have been playing around and think i know what is causing it. you may not need everything listed below but these are the settings on my device if you play around with them you should be able to narrow it down.
I'm running Toms rom, found here
i have disabled threaded sms by using the second setting here
i have enabled the favourite people button on the htc home screen by deleteing the key here
the only other app i have that may have changed a setting is the HTC home customiser.
After making these changes tick the enable xt9 setting in romsettings app, exit the app, then go back into it and untick the enable t9 setting, after closing romsettings you should have the keyboard shown in the second screen shot
as far as i can see this changes the keyboard in all applications

Thats great! Still albeit of a noob so you lost me somewhere there, is there a way to this on the stock ROM?

short answer is i dont know. try looking for an applcation called rom settings after installing it there is a t9 setting. untick it and closethe application if this makes no dfference you may want to try altering the other settings and then trying again until it works.

kerrance76 said:
short answer is i dont know. try looking for an applcation called rom settings after installing it there is a t9 setting. untick it and closethe application if this makes no dfference you may want to try altering the other settings and then trying again until it works.
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Ok will try that thanks. On the side, when you untick "T9" does this make "abc" default text entry as well?

I have confirmed that this keyboard layout come out when no text entry is needed.

muzikfreakah said:
On the side, when you untick "T9" does this make "abc" default text entry as well?
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I wish, this has been a problem since the phones release - theres 7 pages on it here

muzikfreakah said:
I have confirmed that this keyboard layout come out when no text entry is needed.
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thats the default action anyway, with the changes detailed the keyboard is available when entering text, if you look at the second image you will see that the cursor is actually in the message box, its the black line at the end of the word hello

muzikfreakah said:
I have confirmed that this keyboard layout come out when no text entry is needed.
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Eh? Maybe I overdosed on the thick pills last night, but that doesn't make any sense? If I click on a password field in IE, sometimes the main phone keypad always seems to default to numeric entry. But clicking in the field itself pops up this lovely keyboard.
It really does make no sense at all. There doesn't appear to be any standard/global keyboard settings.
And this is in v6 of WinMo, you would have thought they would have got the basics right by now, but the darned sent items has the useless option of "order by from" - when all the sent items are sent from the same person.
Its got plenty of potential, but it just seems like lots of separate teams were implementing it, doing their own thing without any centralised discussion/design.

Has anyone managed to get this to work with the standard T-Mobile [UK] ROM ?

any updates on this as well? it would be nice to just get an option for this

I got it to work, rather by chance, but thing is after that, I could switch to back to the touchpad type anymore.
I installed POCKETCM KEYBOARD. After doing that, somehow it locked this keyboard in when I choose touchpad.
Its rather a workaround, but for those who to use it premanently, you can do it

it also shows up at times when you are entering a password

Ouch ! I read to quickly and did'nt see the word "permanently" !
It does the same for me after installing pocketpc keyboard and even after uninstalling it !!!
Did you find a way to get the classic keyboard back ? This one is nice but there are some important keys missing as "." and a key to hide the keyboard !
Thanks
EDIT : The installation of Resco Keyboard got all the original settings back + Resco Keyboard of course.
So if you need to use the famous "hidden HTC keyboard", simply install Resco Keyboard and then Pocketpc keyboard.
You will then have your classic "touch" keyboards replaced by the "hidden keyboard" (+Resco Keyboard installed of course).
But to my mind, Resco keyboard alone is better...

No word completion pop-up

I've become the proud owner of a Touch HD just yesterday. The thing I find oddest about it so far is that I don't get any word completion pop-ups as I enter text. I'm not talking about just the HTC-specific input methods either; it doesn't happen even when I use the Letter Recognizer or the standard Windows Mobile keyboard.
I've turned on all options I could find that looked remotely related to this, and I have yet to see a single word completion pop-up since I got this device. Am I missing something or are those pop-ups not available on this device for some reason?

guney said:
I've become the proud owner of a Touch HD just yesterday. The thing I find oddest about it so far is that I don't get any word completion pop-ups as I enter text. I'm not talking about just the HTC-specific input methods either; it doesn't happen even when I use the Letter Recognizer or the standard Windows Mobile keyboard.
I've turned on all options I could find that looked remotely related to this, and I have yet to see a single word completion pop-up since I got this device. Am I missing something or are those pop-ups not available on this device for some reason?
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i can't speak for all methods, but i always use HTC's FULL QWERTY, you just need to "flick the switch" from "ABC" to "T9", this switch is somewhere to the left of the space bar. hope that helps

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i can't speak for all methods, but i always use HTC's FULL QWERTY, you just need to "flick the switch" from "ABC" to "T9", this switch is somewhere to the left of the space bar. hope that helps
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Thanks. Just tried it, but that's not what I'm talking about. If you haven't used another Windows Mobile device before (and Palms using graffitti used to have this too, I think), you might not have seen this, but when writing on the keyboard or letter recognizer (or block recognizer), WM pops up a menu of completion options after you type in one or a few letters (depending on your settings). For example, if you type "ob" you might get a list that contains "obese, obstruct, obvious"; and when you add a "v" to make it "obv", the list would refresh to show "obviate, obvious", etc.
What you've described to me is just the T9 guessing mechanism, which always suggests options with the same number of letters as the number of keys you've typed to that point. It only makes sense when there is more than one letter per key, so that, when you type, say, a sequence of three keys, there is ambiguity in which combination of the multiple letters on each of those three keys you might have meant, and the device shows you options of these combinations to pick from.
Incidentally (and this may sound pedantic, but), for that same reason, I don't see any point in using the T9 setting with the full QWERTY keyboard as you suggest, since there is no such ambiguity and the option that you'll see suggested is precisely what you've typed anyway.
If you've seen the other kind of completion options (i.e., "complete words for partial typing") let me know...

guney said:
What you've described to me is just the T9 guessing mechanism, which always suggests options with the same number of letters as the number of keys you've typed to that point.
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I'm sorry. I noticed that what I typed above wasn't correct.
I wasn't seeing full word completion suggestions in response to partially typed in words in T9 mode because I had the "word completion in T9 mode" option under "T9 Settings" disabled. Enabling it does provide full word completion suggestions after typing only a couple of keys. I stand corrected.
On the other hand, that's still not what I'm looking for, because that only provides a couple of options displayed horizontally on one line. You can't fit many word options onto that line. (At least not the longer ones.) I'd like to see the standard Windows Mobile behavior of popping up a menu of vertically stacked completion options where you may be presented with up to four selections of any length (sometimes including even multi-word completion options). The HTC-specific input methods with their own peculiar completion behavior are fine by me, but I don't understand why I don't still have the default Windows Mobile completion behavior when I switch to one of the standard Windows Mobile input methods!
Actually, even the HTC-specific input behavior is a little screwy. There's also a "word completion in ABC mode" option under T9 Settings, but even when I enable that, I get no word completion options after switching to ABC mode in the compact QWERTY or full QWERTY input methods...
A few things definitely seem wrong with word completion behavior on the Touch HD. I just hope someone here might have enough insight into the matter to know of a fix or workaround...

guney said:
Actually, even the HTC-specific input behavior is a little screwy. There's also a "word completion in ABC mode" option under T9 Settings, but even when I enable that, I get no word completion options after switching to ABC mode in the compact QWERTY or full QWERTY input methods...
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Scratch that... I've seen this work now too. I suppose it was a little stubborn, or needed a close-and-reopen of the keyboard first...
In any case, my original issue still stands: I'm looking for the "plain old" Windows Mobile word completion suggestion pop-up when using letter recognizer or the standard keyboard, with the vertical list, which fits more options of longer words.
If anyone knows of its whereabouts, please chime in!

guney said:
A few things definitely seem wrong with word completion behavior on the Touch HD. I just hope someone here might have enough insight into the matter to know of a fix or workaround...
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I was about to start a post just like yours..I've enabled word completion but I don't see anything. Also, when I open the tool Dictionary Editor I don't see any suggested words at all. And when I add one or two of my own, it still don't work. There must be someone who knows more about this issue ???

bump...this would be helpful
also, does anyone know how to make it so T9 starts suggesting words after typing only 1 letter?

Copied from the Diamond Forum ...
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IMPORTANT: previously be sure that HKLM\Software\Tegic\eT9\XT9SupportMSSip has a value of 0.
Simply change these two registry keys under:
HKLM\system\currentcontrolset\control\layouts\e 0010409
Ime File : \windows\xt9ime.dll change to Ime File :\windows\compime.dll
and
Layout Text : XT9 IME change to Layout Text : COMP IME
And soft reset.
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... this should fix the problem. Kudos to beemerTPPC.

Gave to above a go, but found those settings were already there!
But strangely, after a couple of soft off/ons the letter recogniser, block recogniser, standard keyboard and SPB keyboard all have word completion.
The HTC offerings are weirdly different;
The full qwerty only offers word completion when you type the first three letters of a word then hit backspace to delete the last character typed. The same happens with the compact qwerty and phone keypad, but rather madly they will not let me type letters at all... only numbers... very odd!

The above solution enables me to have the Word Completion popup witth the following keyboards: 'keyboard' and 'block recognizer' and 'letter recognizer'.
It is not supported with the 'Full QWERTY' (my main keyboard).It removed the T9 completion that was there (and was not adequet). Now I cannnot use both ABC and T9 modes.
Is there a way to have both the T9 and the word complete popup, or at least the latter (the ppopup word complete) when in ABC mode on the 'Full QWERTY' keybord?
Please advice
Thanks

gadgetuk437 said:
Gave to above a go, but found those settings were already there!
But strangely, after a couple of soft off/ons the letter recogniser, block recogniser, standard keyboard and SPB keyboard all have word completion.
The HTC offerings are weirdly different;
The full qwerty only offers word completion when you type the first three letters of a word then hit backspace to delete the last character typed. The same happens with the compact qwerty and phone keypad, but rather madly they will not let me type letters at all... only numbers... very odd!
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I am in the same boat as you
How are you going with this Monkey of a problem?
Ive tried everything.
Please reply

Run HD Tweak
20. Keyboard (SIP)
20.2 T9 Mode
set it to Disabled
Soft reset
HTH