I have used the TSC in WM5 and it works fine, now thinking I would like full screen so looking at sl9 and Vijays full screen TSC, but I keep seeing lots about VNC too? What is it, any better than TSC or any worse?
Answers on a postcard please, or here will do, thanks
Simon
they work differntly, VNC is bitmap based ie it paints the picture of the remote screen, where TSC is vector based, it dosent paint the screen, it uses coordinates of items etc, ie, desktop colour, startmenu, its all cached on your machine, so in effect, the more you use it the faster it will get.
so if bandwidth is no issue then its your choice of what you use, but where there are speed issues, then tsc will probably be far more efficient.
i use TSC clients for, probably, 14hrs a day at hone and at work, and at work using servers at home, all TSC based and Tivoli another bitmap based product we use appears to suffer greatly compared to TSC, you know, were all tsc'ing to home whilst were at work, and its 10 to 1 faster than tivoli.
its only my theories based on usage
I would mostly agree - TSC is more GDI object based, client server, where the PDA does most of the rendering. VNC is mostly brute force screen copying.
The beauty of VNC is that you can use it against many more devices - Win95, Linux, Macs etc. TSC needs a dedicated terminal service on the other end that may not even be installable on your home machine.
Could someone please point me to sl9's full screen TSC client. I cannot find it anywhere.
Thanks
-Rob
what also works like a charm is logmein.com. you need to install software on your desktop, then login the logmein page on your pda and you're clear to go. the software on the MDA also autoscales the desktop to 640*480 (and back when you're finished). free aswell.
I use logmein to surf etc when at work, perfect to have an 5 Mb connection available on my MDA
I generally agree with what has been said. Most of my work involves remote administration of servers. I use as a first choice on desktop a program called Radmin, unfortunately this is not available on PPC. Radmin is very similar to VNC but is much faster and also supports file transfer and command prompt only.
But what has not been said about this type of software, VNC/Radmin is it allows you to run multiple clients viewing the same session. This is great for training and seeking help on a problem with third parties. So i do sometimes use VNC on the Universal, but only if i need to share a session.
TSC on the other hand will open a fresh session and allow, depending on the version of OS on the destination machine allow multiple independant sessions. I do use a lot of TSC sessions on my desktop as well.
Regarding letmein never really appealed to me. Dont really want a third party running my sessions for me and to be honest see no advantage in it. But i guess for me I have external ip adreses everywhere so i guess that helps. I can log to my hone PC or office and othe rsite networks from any where in the world over a 2/3g connection on the universal anyway.
But maybe i am missing something regarding using letmein to gain speed, if you have an office network with 5mb connectionwhy not just connect directly to your office on the TSC on the univrersal, why do you need letmein? the main portal i use for TSC is a server in a COLO of mine with a burstable GB ethernet connection directly into a tier 1 ISP and the bottleneck here is actually the speed it takes for the screen to be drwawn on the universal and the connection to the server.
Also be warned that TSC on the 2/3g connection can chew a lot of BW. When i was doing a lot of this i was getting a new orange connection every 3 months and getting the free 1gb per month for the first 3 months with orange(£25 permonth). on a sim only deal with no phone on the lowest 3g package. Worked out as £55 per month when you add the 9 months at £10 for 1gb per moonth with 200 free mins. Then after 3 months change it to a 2g off peak only deal at £10 per month. or use it as a second phone.
At any time i might have upto 6 remote sessions active, but it can get very weird when running full screen TSC on your desktop as you some times end up in a lop going from one server to another then another and back to the first one again with out realising. It has the similar effect to lokiing into one mirror with an identical mirror behind it and creating a series of cascading views. Can be abit wierd sometimes, especially when you start telnetting from one command prompt on one machine into something like a cisco and then right back to where you started. I know this sounds crazy but if you have a work station with twin 21" lcd monitors with 1200x1600 displays and 4 gb of ram at the end of a 12 hour session I often end up with in the order of 60+ windows open over my destop. And that does not include the windows open on all of the remote desktops!
I think i lost it a bit in the post there towards the end but i think you get the picture.
Charlie
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Since getting my m5000 last Friday i've been considering the various uses it could have - from both a personal and business point of view.
Today I installed the VNC viewer software on the m5000 and it lets me remotely control my office desktop computer - plus all of our other workstations (I'm the IT Manager - we use it for remote support).
I'm giving some serious thought to the possibility of not having a desktop PC - instead using my m5000 to it's full capability just using vnc to access a spare computer in the office with all the apps on it i use. this would also work when i'm not in the office.
any views on this? i just thought that with the m5000 practically being a laptop it makes sense to possibly use it instead of a desktop pc.
i think the concept is more of an addition to a desktop, not a replacement.
its a very useful utility to read information, but when it comes to maniputlating data, ie, editing a huge spreadsheet its not really up to the spec of office on a desktop.
maybe 5years down the line when the software has been developed enough, the hardware is smaller and of higher specs.
but for now, i see it as a portable part of my main systems, and pound for pound the pc is still a way more viable option.
i have the new ROM and i am registered with LOGMEIN.com (a remote desktop/file tran etc site), its all free to use and it works perfectly with the universal, you can zoom in or have the desktop fit to screen (best in landscape mode), its so easy, i can connect throw our corp filewall, ive tested it connecting to XP Pro SP2 and also Server 2003, both look so good on the phone :lol:
Has anyone else tryed this site or anyone have the full account (have to pay for that) so i can see if its worth buying (not that you ever have too)
echo that, I think it's a fantastic service!
This is amazing - it even suppots duel monitors.
I agree!
It certainly made my life easier. No more USB key!
I tried the following before settling to Logmein Free:
1. GotomyPC - Excellent speed and interface but very expensive for private users.
2. WebEx - very good, slower than GotomyPC, much cheaper.
3. Logmein Pro - Identical to Logmein Free but extra features such as File Transfer, Print to local printer.
I would say even if you are fairly competent at setting up your own remote access using other software, Logmein free is still worth a look.
P.S. The place where I work has a Plasma display(Wifi connected)that needs to be changed almost on a daily basis. I do this by Logmein to my office computer and use VNC from my office computer to update it!
I discovered it a few months ago and it's fantastic. I am not decided yet on whether to upgrade to Pro, though if I did the only reason really would be the filesharing option.
VNC was my previous choice, but it's much slower - even when connecting over the local network. With logmein I can be sat on the sofa at home, controlling the PC upstairs and chatting on MSN. I've also used it from work to control the home PC. I can't believe how fast it is.
Cheers
Ant
my girlfriend uses it at wrk as msn etc and a forum she goes to is blocked, howvever she uses og me in to use or computer to use msn and go to her forums etc lol
how is this different from the remote desktop feature that is built into windows xp?
jab1a said:
i have the new ROM and i am registered with LOGMEIN.com (a remote desktop/file tran etc site), its all free to use and it works perfectly with the universal, you can zoom in or have the desktop fit to screen (best in landscape mode), its so easy, i can connect throw our corp filewall, ive tested it connecting to XP Pro SP2 and also Server 2003, both look so good on the phone :lol:
Has anyone else tryed this site or anyone have the full account (have to pay for that) so i can see if its worth buying (not that you ever have too)
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Hold on, it's free and fantastic? What's the catch??
OK, just installed it.
This folks, is FANTASTIC.
If I forget to start my downloads after I've left for work, no problems. Just log onto my PC and start the program!
Id I need a file from my PC, just log into Outlook and email it, to myself!
Wow, just WOW. And p1ss easy to set up.
Anyone know what the data throughput it - I'm gonna test it now with 3G on, instead of through Wifi - hopefully the speed will still be decent, but I don't want to be stung for huge data download charges.
EDIT: Speed via GPRS and 3G is still well usable.
What a find OP!
How do i access it using opera browser from my pda, it seems that logmein only work with IE, but is seems that there is nothing on the screen.. do i need to install java for it? where can i get this java apps..?
thxs
Hmm ja very strange, in opera and PIE I get the same message, saying "A Windows Pocket PC 2003 or newer is required...." and then asks you to download some "downgrade" CAB...which I install but it still doesnt work neither IE or Opera... Im a bit clueless what the problem is since the FAQ also doesnt mention anything about that.
Edit: Ok, after a reset of the universal it works. Speed is pretty lame over GPRS but what can you expect...its for free and its great. I can even control my Linux machine via VNC from the Windows Remote machine that I access via Logme in...Thanks a lot for that great tip!
I have used both Remote Desktop (the server is built into Windows XP PRO and Windows 2003) and LogMeIn.com.
Remote Desktop doesn't have a full screen mode.
Remote Desktop is faster. But, since my computer is behind a wireless router, I wasn't able to make it work - no matter how I configure the router, it can't connect.
So I use LogMeIn.com, the free version. It's slower but it has a full screen mode. I have absolutely no problems related to the firewall (wireless router). It just works.
Absolutely fantastic.
I use logmein pro for my 'always on' HTPC and the free version for our laptop. It is, quite simply, wonderful.
Runs well from my work network and my trusty Himalaya. I wonder if there is a way to use it to set up an activesync alternative to get around the lack of wifi support now :?:
Been using this since September last year. Awesome product and I still can't believe it's free.
excuse me, but using it with netfront 3.3 or opera 8.5 it just permit me file transfer. non desktop control!
what am i doing wrong?
i'm accessing it with a jasjar
lucazaffiro said:
excuse me, but using it with netfront 3.3 or opera 8.5 it just permit me file transfer. non desktop control!
what am i doing wrong?
i'm accessing it with a jasjar
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Since you have IE on the handheld anyhoew, think of your IE exclusively as your interface for LogmeIn.
belfast-biker said:
lucazaffiro said:
excuse me, but using it with netfront 3.3 or opera 8.5 it just permit me file transfer. non desktop control!
what am i doing wrong?
i'm accessing it with a jasjar
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Since you have IE on the handheld anyhoew, think of your IE exclusively as your interface for LogmeIn.
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yes but from my desktop i see a lot of oppotunity to use my "controlled" pc. with NETFRONT i see just the option "file transfer". with opera after installing a specific cab i'm not allowed to connect
any hint?
that is strange but i can only think that it has something to do with the way those 2 bits of software handle ActiveX, IE is very good at it, the last person was right, just think of ~IE as your excusive logmein.com browser for remote desktop, its a hardship but somethings you have to live with :wink:
You should be aware that this service exposes you to being hacked, it uses SSL to encrypt between LOGMEIN.com & your PC & PDA but has to unencript all the data on the LOGMEIN.com server as you can't have back to back SSL connections.
Anyone hacking the server would be able to connect to your PC or PDA as if they were you.
Suggest at the very least that you don't leave an open connection & have a short timeout to a login screen on your PC.
Mike
Its a great bit of software.... I havent really played around with any other software like this, but this seems to do the job for me quite well....
i do however agree with the security issue... Yes you are opening a potential hole in your security albeit a very small one
From Imate Jas Jar (HTC) to Desktop PC windows 2000/XP via the internet...
These services offer solutions..
remotelyanywhere.com
http://www.remotelyanywhere.com/template.asp?page=home
PC Anywhere
http://www.symantec.com/home_homeoffice/products/features.jsp?pcid=pf&pvid=pca12
Pocket Mobile PC PTvnc
http://www.parystec.demon.co.uk/pt_vnc_WM5.htm
z2 Remote2PC
http://www.z2software.com/Remote2PC.htm
What I need..
- Best connection with bandwith issues
- Easy setup and management with IP issues ( dynamic IP etc)
- Best Visual view of Desktop PC on PPC
- Best Desktop PC command control, ie do all thinks I want on DeskPC
- Easy management thru routers or firewalls etc...
- I know nothing on this stuff so easy pease for me...
Cost not an issue, performance and freedom of control of Desktop PC is ??? Can any one comment. Which is the ROLLS ROYCE of Remote access from PPC to Destop PC or Laptops via internet ( not short distance bluetooth or WiFi.,,,,Internet long distance)
Thanks in Advance...
logmein.com - fantastic and free
Sir, thats the same as "remotelyanywhere"...
I having a play with it now, any ideas how to insall it on PPC ..
I downloaded an install file Setup.msi
How do I do this ??
Wow, you're right - had no idea.
Well that (logmein) options a no go, only Windows 2003 and earlier. NOT WM5 !!!!
Digs said:
Well that (logmein) options a no go, only Windows 2003 and earlier. NOT WM5 !!!!
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No idea what you're talking about there, I'm using it right now to hit my desktop to reply to your post, from my WM5 HTC Universal...
*Edit - added in-use screen shot, resized way down - actual image quality is fantastic.
i used logmein on my PDA2K and now my T-Mobile MDA works great on both 2003SE and WM5.0
i just wish i had a bigger screen......
Did you use it thru PIE on WM5, cause I used thru Net Front 3.3...
It asks you to download some cab when you first use it, I did this, restarted and then it asked me to download again, again etc...
So using PIE ( pocket internet explorer ) does it work thru that ???
VNC...
I'm using RealVNC to start a VNC service on the desktop... You can download a free VNC server software from here:
http://www.realvnc.com/
As for the client, I'm using one from Mochasoft:
http://www.mochasoft.dk/vncce.htm
Low bandwidth requirement and most importantly speedy...
Digs said:
Did you use it thru PIE on WM5, cause I used thru Net Front 3.3...
It asks you to download some cab when you first use it, I did this, restarted and then it asked me to download again, again etc...
So using PIE ( pocket internet explorer ) does it work thru that ???
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yes, must use PIE
Using TightVNC servic on the desktop (supports scaling) and .Net VNCviewer on the Exec. Good enough, fast enough, and free.
THE WINNER IS, HANDS DOWN...
z2 Remote2PC
Best Control, speed and visual controls, encryption, etc
For ease of use and "free is good" factor:
Logmein.com
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When using logmein.com, PIE must be not be hacked. If changed from original version, it will not work (this was a month ago). Remote Desktop will connect but nothing will show up.
- tried with opera and also netfront, both didn't work for me.
opera would not even connect, and netfront will connect but won't show anything.
I concur with Net Front 3.3..
But z2 Remote PC, even after the Fuss of setting up an IP address at no-ip.com its all worth it.
I use PTvncWM5 to controll my home media pc.
It use verry low bandwidh on gprs
and looks great on Wifi
What do these offer beyond Terminal Services client? OK, TS logs you on in parallel on the server machine, but other than that? Seems pretty good on bandwidth and the age-old rule of "the less s/w you install, the less you'll screw up" applies :wink:
I got more toys and functions to play with via 2z remote2pc. Thats whyI chose this software.
Is there a way to increase the 6800s displayed resolution for remote desktop mobile. Tried all the settings & need to at least double res. Don't see any reg entries that deal with this.
I'd like to second this question.
My wish would be for a remote desktop client that could "zoom out" to view a larger resolution, similar to how the Opera Mini or Picsel browsers work.
Have you guys tried LogMeIn dot com ? Unless I'm confused about your need, this remote client does what you're looking for. It runs my desktop at 640x480 and has a "fit to screen" size option (and 50%, 75%, 100% zoom). Performance is sluggish but usable over EVDO.
As crazy as this sounds, I now surf the internet almost exclusively through logmein.com because I honest to goodness think it's faster than regular surfing. Anyone with a Mogul/Titan that hasn't tried logmein.com and orb are really missing out.
cheesiest said:
Have you guys tried LogMeIn dot com ? Unless I'm confused about your need, this remote client does what you're looking for. It runs my desktop at 640x480 and has a "fit to screen" size option (and 50%, 75%, 100% zoom). Performance is sluggish but usable over EVDO.
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rdp mobile also runs the host at 640x480, we were hoping for a client that would run the host at a higher resolution
I see, I did misread the question a bit. I agree that higher resolution on the desktop side is sometimes desirable. Like rivera I find myself surfing through logmein (doing it right now), but there are a few web sites that assume 800x600 or higher. Looks like I'm a +1 to the original poster now.
I'll try editing rdp mobile exe, see if we can get anywhere.
I tried logmein. I get the PDA site and when I go to the remote desktop or whatever the function it is to go to the desktop it always goes back to the same thing. I could see my files though. Does anyone know what exactly Im suppose to do to see the desktop.Thanks in advance.
three letters for you all:
V
N
C
VNC is the open source remote desktop client. Your device's resolution is always going to be 320x240 because that's physically how many dots there are. However, many VNC clients for PPC allow you to zoom in/out.
Google it.
ya we know about VNC but i just prefer if i dont have anything external installed. rather used the ones built in the system. and i think RDM runs really fast and really well if they have higher resolution.
Nyditot
http://www.nyditot.com/Home.asp
Works with WM6 on the Mogul. Make sure you select FIT WIDTH in the options before rebooting and do not select "restart on reset" as you will not be able to get out of a loop if the program messes up the phone. Text is harder to read, and the Today screen looks iffy, but we browsing is better.
I saw a video here.. http://www.pdainfo.org/pagesitehtml.php?site=47&full=1
a bit down 2/07/08
They say that Diamond can act as a thin client for running full Windows operating systems and applications. As I understand it this is because of the VGA screen.
Can you do this with the tytn and att what reslult? Shouldn't it be possible to exchange the screen of the tytn with the vga-screen of the Diamond? If you can buy that separately as you can with the tytn.
Trying to decide what to buy....
Any WinMo device can do that. It's just the Terminal Services client installed on a PPC. as long as it has a method of communication (GPRS, Wifi, etc) and the correct user/password, you should be able to connect. it just depends on the application on the other side. If the boundries of the windows the specific app are greater than the resolution of the device... See where this is going? I admin my servers via TS all the time from my Tilt. It's a little funky due to the difference in resolutions between devices, but it works.
Just use a remote desktop client. LogMeIn for example.
Kraize