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Widcomm Phone Edition stack working - get it here!!!

Hi Guys: I have got the Widcomm Phone edition stack working on my unit.
It seems to be fine but I have not fully tested all aspects of the software - so if any little bits don't work, let me know...
You need to install the official widcomm 1-4-1-59 version
Then you can upgrade it using the cab file I have made.
The 1.4.1.59 version file I got from the following topic
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?p=57550#57550
thanks go to mamaich for the file.
the upgrade file consistes of the PE edition files and the required registry entries.
Let me know how you all go on with it - but I am not really a hacker so any serious probs I will not be able to fix...
if anyone else can improve on the installation be my guest

any news about which profiles it support that ms or the old one dont support ?

I hope unintall won't mess up my volume as in case of original bluetoothgps.cab

I can't garauntee it works perfectly, so I suggest everyone make a backup of their system before use.

has anyone tested any BT headset with this new stack?

I've got it installed and it all seems to work well exept for the handsfree/headset profile, I have set up my headset ok it is discovered and bonds fine but when I try to connect from the xda2 the connection fails after "waiting for device" for some time. tried with a motorola hs 810 and a neovoice usb, same with both. Anyone got any ideas?

BT headset
I have a 6315 and an XDA 2, I haven't tried the BT Stack on the XDA 2 yet but I found when I bondeded my HBH-30 to my 6315 once it made the connection my BT Headset shut off for some reson. This caused the bonding to fail, but as soon as I turned my headset back on (while it was trying to discover services) it completed the process and worked on my 6315. I'm not sure if this will be the same, but it's worth a shot.
Brandon

Test results
Hi fellows
Here is little bit of my testing of this new BT Stack, which we all awaiting for..
Proc…
1. Installed as per instructions 1.59 without any problem. During installation was prom to override .dll files – agreed to do that. For good or for bad – will see later.
2. Installed .cab file provided by icarusbop (big thanks to him for doing this) without any problem. Screen shots will be attached below.
3. Reset it as requested upon installation and got Widcomm BT working instead of MS BT..
4. Paired it with my BlueTrek G2 within 3 seconds (which took usually 10 sec with MS BT)
5. BT recognized G2 as device with Headset/Hands-Free profiles and asked to use as default… I said yes…
Here comes Cons part ;(
1. Unfortunately even after paring – my I-Mate can not get connected with G2 (see screen shot)
2. As you can see in another screen shot – there is Hands Free menu – it can not be accessed, or can be accessed ONLY while connection is established.
3. AND the last L … So, this new BT is not working now… I decided to go back to MS BT… SURPISE!!! I am getting message that BT HARDWARE IS NOT INSTALL ON THIS UNIT…. L Assumption - .dll files were overwritten (see Proc 1)
Here is my 2 cents in this jorney… I am hoping that described problems can be fixed and we can make it working (without doing hard reset on my device )
Paul

thanks guys! for testing hands-free/headset profile. by now everything seems to work fine with this new stack except for hands-free/headset profile.

New comments to my testing
1. I tried what NeoCole recommended - didn't work for me
2. As soon as new BT is OFF - MS BT is working fine .....uf
LETS FIX THE HEADSET PART PLEASE

I posted this is another thread - but in case someone does not read that thread . . . it is relevant here as well.
If the intent of this is to get voice dialing without touching the device, that is by only pressing a button on the headset to initiate a voice-dial program to make the call, there is no evidence this works with this BT stack either.
I have been reading other forums with people who have the H6315 already (mine is in the mail to me now) and none of them have been able to make this work. Nor is there any mention of this capability in any of the literature and/or documentation for this device. It seems that if this was a feature of this phone, it would be prominently displayed!

Voice Command
Okay.. on my 6315 I press the headset button, it beeps, sound and voice is now transfered to the headset. I do this before I initate voice command. Now all I do is press a button that activates Voice Command on the PPC and walla, I'm speaking and listening through my BT Headset. This is a huge step forward from using the MS Stack, and I feel that since the Phone Edition of the Widcomm is 1.0.0 I'm sure that they'll associate a hardware button with the headset button in future releases. Anyhow.. I think that the functionality of the Widcomm BT Stack is well worth the work. The XDA 2 would be a lot better device if the BT Stack worked 100% of the time and was fully compatibile.

I also have not got it working.
the Hp 6315 is well know to still require a hardware button press (not on the headset) to activate voice command. They can still not do with any nokia or SE phone can do easily.
Surur

VoiceCommand
That would be correct... One press of the HW Button does it all on a Regular phone.
The 6315 has brought it closer to allow you to interact with programs using your BT Headset, but yes you must still activate the programs on your handset before you can use them with your headset.
So.. to sum it up...
1. You can't interact with Voice Command using MS BT Stack on an XDA 2
2. You can interact with Voice Command using Widcomm Stack on 6315, but you have to activate the headset first, then start VoiceCommand on the PPC by using the HW Button.
Hopefully through this thread we'll be able to give the XDA 2 the same functionality as the 6315.
And maybe if Widcomm provides an update to allow the headset to activate a HW button, we'll be to the one step solution.

I do not want my comments to be read as stating that this is not a worthwile endeavor. I simply meant to make sure that someone does not go to the trouble of installing this new stack (particularly those who might be considered novices) with the mistaken impression that by doing so they will have that "one step" voice dialing solution.
This is by all means a worthwile endeavor, but it is merely a step down the road . . . not the final destination.
Y'all are doing good work - keep on blazing that trail!

hm.. I would think that it is more of MS Voice Dial functionality than BT - to recognize signal sent from headset as request for voice dialing.
When MS released first version of Voice Dialing they did not expect new functionality to have BT headset with hands-free profile connected to the device.

paired with my Jabra 250 = ok
connected to my Jabra 250 = failed

No luck with Moto headset
Eveything else seem to be working. No problems with detecting and working with BT access point

rehman said:
I hope unintall won't mess up my volume as in case of original bluetoothgps.cab
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Hi Rehman,
i tried to install and uninstall, for the very first time i didn't have to get a Hard-Reset done. the volume didn't disappear. so i believe trying it wont be a harm, but yet i would recommend to get a full Backup first.

Trying to figure this out
Okay, I looked through the whole registry. I can't find anything out of the ordinary. Only thing I can think of is the sound driver. Does anyone know what DLL that is? I bet it's a different version.
If someone that knows more about which DLL does what. Let's get all the DLL's that could pertain to Sound and Phone and compair the 6315 DLL's with the ones on the XDA2.

Bluetooth Chat with: BuZZone

Hi all I would like to get this application working but it does not look like the test application works on our XDA's?? :-( It is saying somthing about needing the WIDCOMM drivers.... Any idea if there is an esay and safe way to get this utility working?
Hear is the web address of where you can find the application:
http://www.buzzone.net/eng/index.html
Thanks guys

Just install the latest Widcomm PPCPE drivers in "Hacking It"

Thanks for the reply rahjinoh, I will give that a go, I did see somthing about Widcomm drivers but when i looked into that option it seemed very complicated and a number of people where having problems with the XDA II with it would I be correct in saying that?
I'm a little scared to install it if its going to cause me any problems as I use a Bluetooth GPS (with Destinator 3) as well as the O2 Bluetooth headset (The new one, works like a charm)... I use both these bluetooth devices on a daily basis and cant affort them to go down.
Any idea if I will run into any problems if I install this Widcomm driver?
How does it work?
Do I have 2 bluetooth drivers installed then? both MS and Widcomm?
Sorry for all the questions would like to try and find out if it is a simple process or if I could run into problems....
Many thanks!

The Widcomm works with everything EXCEPT headsets.
The GPS would work with Widcomm but not the O2 headset, not yet at least.
Both the stacks will coexists and you can turn on 1 at a time.
I use that stack as well, some people get the "Cannot initialise bluetooth hardware" once in a while, but mine's fine.
I used the Widcomm with Widcomm related software, otherwise, my MS Bluetooth stack is on most of the time.
I use the MS one for my Motorola Headset and Bluetooth GPS, and the Widcomm one for other purposes, like BuzzOne
just remember that you can only enable 1 stack at a time

thanks for the reply rahjinoh
This sounds like a lot of messing around unfortunatly, I wish bluetooth would come up with some starndards and stop stuffing around so much, its going to die in the long run if they don't I recon. I've read that the makers of bluetooth have not stoped any research and devolopment with the technology (Sony/Ericson) this does not seem to be a good step but I don't blame them really as the software side of things is a compleat MESS!!!
Is Microsoft going to be fixing up there drivers? or has the problems been fixed in the Newer Windows 2003 SE Phone Edition? (Which I hope is going to be comming out for our XDA II's some time soon??)...
Cheers!!!

Any more news any one? any ideas what I can do to get my Bluetooth GPS, Head Set and Software Programs to work with ease and no problems?

Still no news??? ANY ONE???

Has any one mannaged to find an easy way to get this program working as yet?

still no news or any ways to get this software working is there? I need a solution that will work with my Bluetooth GPS (and current software, Destinator 3), Bluetooth Headset as well as this program...
Any thoughts any one?

Might want to read this...
http://www.buzzone.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12

Thanks for the reply Nighthawk...
I have seen that post before, but what I am worried about is that I've noticed that people on XDA-Forum has posted that you cannot use your Bluetooth Headset if you don't use the MS Stack? Is this correct?
I use a Bluetooth - GPS, Headset and software... Will I have any problems with these?

easiest way to configure internet bluetoothsharing
get widcom drivers from this site
http://forum.xda-developers.com/download.php?id=1436
then put all these files in your pocket pc windows main folder
\Windows.
go to file explorer of your pocket pc and extract these thre which you downloaded or run these files from your pocket pc..
now your bluetoth manager is installed. then just go to this site
and learn step by step to configure your pocket pc for intenet connection sharing with your desktop
http://en.pdamobiz.com/en/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=32&PN=1
i think its the easiest way to do in min not hours
best regards for all my brothers.

Thanks for the reply maani_ch, great advice, only 1 question... If I install these drivers. Do you know if I can still use my Bluetooth GPS with my Bluetooth Heatset at the same time as I do at the moment???
As well as both of them working of course!
CHEERS!

Good question Guest, thats exactualy what I would like to konw, I'm a little scared to install stuff on my XDA now days as in the past I've learned that sometimes things just stop working after installing some applications and it's hard to find out what it is (as it is normaly combinations of things)... As I use it for work it's hard to afford any down time with my phone...
Any answers to the previous questions as to how it would work with Bluetooth GPS and Bluetooth Head set at the same time?

SSA connection is problem...Can any 1 help with a solution?

I have a quetion! How can I remove the first bluetooth icon that I have?

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I have a quetion! How can I remove the first bluetooth icon that I have?
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HKLM\Services\BTIcon
"Dll"="BTIcon_Dll.dll"
change this in:
"Dll Disabled"="BTIcon_Dll.dll"
(thanks to Cyber_mate)

Microsfot Wireless Bluetooth intelli explorer mouse & JA

can this be done?
my magician detect the intelli mouse, but can do nothing with it...
cant also use the "stowaway think outside mouse" drivers since they detect only the Stowaway mouse... also couldnt use the IFrog Bluetooth keyboard drivers, even though they support HID detection...
can someone know how to connect between these two?

any news on that... i´m trying to use intellimouse explorer, too... no luck...
someone out there to patch the Thinkoutside drivers ?

I saw somebody saying that the widdcom BT stack supported the mouse...
I dont know if its true, but to find out id have to intstall a new OS (im on 2005) and hack around with BT stacks...
Id rather just hear from somebody running the 2.02/2.06 sin merged rom with the widdcom stack to see if it works. But i guess there isnt anybody with that combination and a BT mouse too.

Magician only...
i ment it to work on the magician.
do you have a magician?

I have a german magician,
neither ms bt mous nor ms bt keyb works!

maybe we should state out that bluetooth firstly only specifies the way how information is being transferred: via radio in a certain frequency - nothing else!
It does NOT determine the way how the transferred information is being interpreted. Lets say when you connect your monitor to the vga connector it is already clear what signals are transferred and how they are read out to compose the picture on the screen.
In other cases (e.g. tracking the mouse movements) we must specify before any exchange of data how is will be interpreted. This is done in so called protocols also known as 'profiles' when you speak of protocols in connection with bluetooth devices.
This means that a bt mouse will be detected (this is standardized) but your device will not know how to interpret the data which is being sent from your mouse unless it supports the matching profile (should be 'HID' - Human Interface Device protocol in this case).
The hardware support of the bt hardware itself plus the additional profiles is called a 'stack'. On Magician you will find the original Microsoft BT stack which lacks of many profiles. It has turned out that other stacks like the one from Toshiba or Widcomm also work (more or less) on Magician. Maybe these ones support your hardware. Let me advise you that there are still many issues with alien stacks so dont install these unless your absolutely sure what youre doing!
Hope that i could make things a little bit clearer for you.
regards,
Quappo

Great!
Could we pin this post within the board so it stays on top or - maybe the better solution - could we publish it in the wiki? I guess that's the best newbie explanation of bluetooth I ever read... 8)
Great post, quapo! 8)

Still no HID driver for PPC
Great Answer!!!! ;-)
OK, i knew all that.
still no answer...:-(

The only reson I don't use wm5/wm6 is BT stereo SKIPPING~

When I use the A2DP in wm5/6 I tray all versions BT stack~but no one could work,so I chose 2003se,IT's best for BT A2DP.
Why Helmi Do not fix that?Dose this really hard?

Yes, it's that hard to fix that. The only way we could get wm5/wm6 working flawless on BA is if we had the source code for the drivers and the testing/debug equipment.
If you know someone that works at HTC you could ask them to look for the BA devkit and sourcecodes on the storage rom... hehehe

Mine didn't skip with WM5 and did not skip when I first flashed WM6. Now it does. When I was messing around trying to connect to bluetooth devices (I couldn't connect properly), it stopped skipping for a while. I don't know if this gives any clues.

rambo6 said:
Mine didn't skip with WM5 and did not skip when I first flashed WM6. Now it does. When I was messing around trying to connect to bluetooth devices (I couldn't connect properly), it stopped skipping for a while. I don't know if this gives any clues.
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I know a way to prevented this bug,but not prefectly.
Use regedit tool,open to find software\widcom\plugin\av
add 3 dwords
Linespeed 320 (10+)
Blocks 16 or 32
Subbands 16
You will see the music quality is prefect
but the skipping frequency is above normal~
When using the asus p535,this way will surly improve the quality~and it no skipping,so I thing it must be the bug from the System~
Use win2003 have no such foolish bug.Now I set my pc back up my pda every time connected it with PC~Store the phone book in simcard~
I have no choice

Toxi,
Thanks. I couldn't add the Dword settings which you suggested because I had no Widcom file. So I loaded Helmi's 1.7 Broadcom BT driver. (Always wanted to try it. The Broadcom BT drivers alway better. Immediately after installing, my BA played music better alone and with my BT headsets. Adding the Hemi 1.7 BT cab, added the Widcom file which allowed me to add the Dword registry changes. The music sounds almost perfect.
I tested the BA with these three BT Stereo Headsets: Motorola S9 headsets; Chinese Copy Motorola BT820; and I-Phono RX450. The Motorola S9 works (It didn't at all with the MS WM6 BT Drivers). The S9 would only work if it's 12 to 18" from the BA. That's unacceptable. The BT820 chinese knockoffs skipped as usual (the skip some with every device cause they're knockoffs). The I-Phono worked perfectly with crisp clear sound and no skipping. I can also get further away from the BA but certainly not more than 3 feet without trouble.
In conclusion: Helmis Broadcom 1.7 cab worked to fix the sound problems completely with and without using the headsets. The newer headsets such as the S9 don't work all that well with the BA.
I hope this is helpful for others not satisfied with the music quality of the BA running WM6.
I wish HTC would make a Blue Angle II.

Bluetooth problem

I have a problem with file transfer using bluetooth.
I recently unstalled the latest stock HTC WM6.5 rom for my Diamond 2.
Then I tried to add a A2DP headset to my laptop, and to do this had to install a new Broadcom BT driver to my laptop.
After loading the new BT driver to the laptop I had to re-pair my phones (the Diamond and a Samsung E2550 standard phone).
After re-pairing both phones I find I can transfer files from both phones to the laptop, and I can transfer files from the laptop to the Samsung.
However when I try to transfer files to the Daimond, I get an error on the laptop saying 'No Service'.
In the laptop BT 'Services' I notice that one of the services for the Samsung is 'File Transfer(Obex)', but this does not appear in the services list for the diamond.
Has anyone any ideas how I get this to work. How can I get 'File Transfer (Obex) working on the Diamond?
NOTE: File transfer worked on the Diamond before I upgraded the rom on the phone and the BT driver on the laptop.
2nd NOTE: File transfer between the Samsung and Diamond works OK - still not transferring from PC to Diamond though
Thanks.

Touch Tools
pewe said:
I have a problem with file transfer using bluetooth.
I recently unstalled the latest stock HTC WM6.5 rom for my Diamond 2.
Then I tried to add a A2DP headset to my laptop, and to do this had to install a new Broadcom BT driver to my laptop.
After loading the new BT driver to the laptop I had to re-pair my phones (the Diamond and a Samsung E2550 standard phone).
After re-pairing both phones I find I can transfer files from both phones to the laptop, and I can transfer files from the laptop to the Samsung.
However when I try to transfer files to the Daimond, I get an error on the laptop saying 'No Service'.
In the laptop BT 'Services' I notice that one of the services for the Samsung is 'File Transfer(Obex)', but this does not appear in the services list for the diamond.
Has anyone any ideas how I get this to work. How can I get 'File Transfer (Obex) working on the Diamond?
NOTE: File transfer worked on the Diamond before I upgraded the rom on the phone and the BT driver on the laptop.
2nd NOTE: File transfer between the Samsung and Diamond works OK - still not transferring from PC to Diamond though
Thanks.
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Touch Tools has an option to "Enable OBEX File Transfer Service":
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=683951
Would be nice to here about, if this works for you.

Thanks Braunie - but the problem is not with the enabling in the registry, the correct entry is already there
; Enable Bluetooth OBEX file transfer
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Obex]
"IsEnabled"=dword:00000001
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So the problem is more sinister than that.
So any assistance sorting this would be greatly appreciated.

It appears that the problem is not the phone - its the laptop.
To get an A2DP driver for my bluetooth headset I had to install the Widcomm bluetooth driver as A2DP is not supported in Win 7 or Acer blutooth drivers.
I uninstalled the widcomm driver and the standard Acer bluetooth driver works - I can transfer files to the phone again.
So I'm back to square one - use the standard driver and have no A2DP, or use Widcomm and lose the ability to transfer files to the phone.

pewe said:
It appears that the problem is not the phone - its the laptop.
To get an A2DP driver for my bluetooth headset I had to install the Widcomm bluetooth driver as A2DP is not supported in Win 7 or Acer blutooth drivers.
I uninstalled the widcomm driver and the standard Acer bluetooth driver works - I can transfer files to the phone again.
So I'm back to square one - use the standard driver and have no A2DP, or use Widcomm and lose the ability to transfer files to the phone.
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Live could be so easy if some software-developers would think a step further.

The main contender for problems appears to be Microsoft.
For some reason they have never bothered to tidy up their bluetooth drivers - even though they push both PC and Mobile versions of Windows. Another example is that I cannot connect to my HTC using Bluetooth in Windows Mobile Device Centre - even though I have set the bluetooth as enabled in WMDC.
From the posts on various forums etc it appears that a lot of people have similar problems to mine with A2DP, as well as other general issues with standard bluetooth drivers.
I will keep hunting around to try and find a bluetooth stack that resolves both my issues in one driver - don't hold out much hope though.

pewe said:
The main contender for problems appears to be Microsoft.
For some reason they have never bothered to tidy up their bluetooth drivers - even though they push both PC and Mobile versions of Windows. Another example is that I cannot connect to my HTC using Bluetooth in Windows Mobile Device Centre - even though I have set the bluetooth as enabled in WMDC.
From the posts on various forums etc it appears that a lot of people have similar problems to mine with A2DP, as well as other general issues with standard bluetooth drivers.
I will keep hunting around to try and find a bluetooth stack that resolves both my issues in one driver - don't hold out much hope though.
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With A2DP I have no experience. But I think Windows Mobile has still a better bluetooth-support than android or so. As example rSAP-support for the handsfree in my car works perfect. This means that my HTC TD2 automatically connects to my car, the radio of my TD2 will be disabled because the handsfree has its own. The phone-book will automatically synchronised with the handsfree.
By the way; the bluetooth-connection with activesync (WinXP) works with no problems for me.
Wish you good luck on your "quest" ...

But I think Windows Mobile has still a better bluetooth-support than android
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I have no problems with the mobile.
Bluetooth on the Diamond II recognises the A2DP headset, and other hands free headsets, pairs and sends files to the laptop and ends/recieves files from other phones - all good.
It appears to be a problem with Win 7 on the laptop which gives the grief.
I had no problem using bluetooth in Activesync on XP, the problems arose with the introduction of Windows Mobile Device Centre in Vista and Win7.
Wish you good luck on your "quest"
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Thanks.