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Free Program Memory problems in XDA Mini

Does anyone experience the free program memory problems in XDA Mini? In my case, after a day of usage, the memory reduce to 14 mb, when doing a soft reset, the free program memory go up to 24 mb, means I need to soft reset every days?
Note: normally I use the phone, Pocket Informant (calendar, contacts) and sms only.

Instead of doing soft reset, just go into:
Settings - System - Memory - (Running Programs tab).
You'll probably find a lot of open programs there. Close them.
Seems to be a major design fault in the Windows Mobile OS. But then again this is product from Microsoft we are talking about - not exactly a shock that they would, without hesitation, release software with such a major failing.

I think what IvorNeo 2 means is that even without any active programs, the storage/program memory will become very low over time. This has happened to me as well. With only Activesync and Batmon 2 active, memory level fell to sub-500K level and phone needed a soft-reset to regain functionality. Phone was not in use at the time (charging).
There are some other threads discussing how to free up memory, but I haven't come across any fixes for this particular bug (yet).

i have the same problem
in my s100 , the memory reduce to 19 mb,after 2 or 3 days when doing a soft reset, the free program memory go up to 27 mb
mhtay
There are some other threads discussing how to free up memory, but I haven't come across any fixes for this particular bug (yet).
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Very nice , if someone can solve this bug
Regards

For me there are are 3 reasons why memory starts to decline:
Activesync eats up about 3MB each time you sync up and though it returns some when you kill the app it does not return the entire amount
html cache files when I surf with the device - gotta empty these along with the cookies...etc
duplicate processes and notification ques that pile up when you soft-reset the device. Over time these tiny bytes add up.
There's no fix for the main culprit of the memory loss - Activesync, maybe newer versions won't be so bad.

the same problem to me, I`m nor sure if it`s beacuse of aactive sync

This happens to my girlfriend's Mini and she does not browse nor does she use Activesync. Also I installed a program to get rid of the duplicate ques. In theory then she should not lose memory but she still does. It is just how Windows works....when you use programs you never get back 100% of the memory upon closing. Soft resets are just a necessary evil with Windows.

The latest version of SKTools has an additional neat feature to free-up RAM.

sk tools very useful program
but even this one works not so good as a soft reset.

Or with 64 mb RAM you can use oxios memory
http://www.oxios.com/memory/
be sure your programm memory less than 21mb while trying to free your memory up.

I have quite a lot of programs installed, most of them in Storage and TT5.x in SD card. Most DLL's also in Storage. I set my Prog Storage memory to 6.5-7 MB and I have over 30 MB for programs after applying SKTools FreeUp RAM utility.

rustoss said:
Or with 64 mb RAM you can use oxios memory
http://www.oxios.com/memory/
be sure your programm memory less than 21mb while trying to free your memory up.
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Isn't this a smartphone software? Will it work on wm5?

find out!
for magician good solution

@rustoss,
does this little applet close the running processes automatically once exitted?
thanx

hibernate.exe emulate filling memory till 90% & then system trying to clean possible RAM by itself i think so, i know exactly this action do the SKtools's freeupRAM, noone prog or process cannot be terminated by both.
closeapps.exe can!

a question about the topic: Rustoss do u have posted any prog here? because I'm not seeing it if it is
MocciJ

No, just put

Please share your experience about using the Storage

I use the Storage to store some DLLs to save space. It works, not for all programs though.
Have tried installing programs to storage before (Journal Bar and Avantgo) but system seemed to be unstable afterwards.
Wonder if anyone has any good experience of storing and running other programs from Storage.
Also, has anyone tried installing the cab files from extended rom to Storage??? Is that possible at all???

RE
Yes, you can use Storage to store your cab files for the EXTROM.
BTW, program cab files for Storage and EXTROM are those that don't upgrade frequently otherwise you'll have to hard reset frequently too

Using Storage or Storage Cards should be avoided for anything on the today screen or anything which is bound to a hardware button. This is because the SD drivers take a little time to initialise when the device powers up and can result in files not being found - which can lead to small or big problems, depending on the nature of the 'missing' file.
This is why Pocket Plus cannot be installed in Storage any more and why Pocket Informant recommends installation into main memory. This is documented both by Spb Software House and WebIS.
I was beta testing SpbWeather and had some of the skins installed to Storage - whenever I used those skins, the plug-in was icon-less on power up, but main memory skins were fine.

As mentioned above, be careful selecting where to install Today Screen plug-ins.
As of the Storage, well I am not sure but I recommed you put in SMALL items in there since the storage becomes unstable at times because to OS may use a little of the Storage space to accomodate memory intensive applications like Adobe Acrobat. Correct me if I am wrong but this is what I understand about it.

Mvmajorem said:
As mentioned above, be careful selecting where to install Today Screen plug-ins.
As of the Storage, well I am not sure but I recommed you put in SMALL items in there since the storage becomes unstable at times because to OS may use a little of the Storage space to accomodate memory intensive applications like Adobe Acrobat. Correct me if I am wrong but this is what I understand about it.
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Ther is so little storage there, why not just ignore it and use SD memory, or main memory where required?

I use storage to store my wma ringtones... haven't have the guts to move the DLLs yet. with regards to this... if i create a folder named Windows in Storage and move all my DLLs there would I need to hack into the apps individually ang make them look at this folder... or will the OS automatically look at both folders? Some people say to use systempath to do this.

bnycastro said:
I use storage to store my wma ringtones... haven't have the guts to move the DLLs yet. with regards to this... if i create a folder named Windows in Storage and move all my DLLs there would I need to hack into the apps individually ang make them look at this folder... or will the OS automatically look at both folders? Some people say to use systempath to do this.
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As I know U have to hack the registry files of single appz to point in to storage folder instead in the main memory... :roll:
Regards,
Primoz

belfast-biker said:
Ther is so little storage there, why not just ignore it and use SD memory, or main memory where required?
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It's 10% of the device's memory, that's not insignificant and certainly not worth wasting. I store 13.2Mb of utilities and etc. in Storage so that it frees up the same amount of Main Memory but permits me to use them when swapping cards. I think it's a waste not to use it.

Into my Storage i have install :
Resco keyboard pro
Laplink controller
Handymenu
Hottbutton plus
Phone today
Today phone pro
VIto voice dialer
Used space for all this 3.21 mb
Free space 4.31 mb
I Don't have any problem at all, my JAM works smoothly & stable plus the today plugins run faster than ever...
Try with no doubt ...

How to maximize Program memory?

Been doing research on how memory works in WM5. Very interesting stuff. I have a 2GB Mini-SD which I put most of my apps on in hope of being able to maximize my program performance. Is there a way to increase the amount of Program RAM the device uses?
MemMaid looks like it supports re-allocating available Storage RAM to Program RAM, but the slider doesn't move. I guess it was only for WM2k3
Is there a way in WM5?
thanks,
casemon

casemon said:
Been doing research on how memory works in WM5. Very interesting stuff. I have a 2GB Mini-SD which I put most of my apps on in hope of being able to maximize my program performance. Is there a way to increase the amount of Program RAM the device uses?
MemMaid looks like it supports re-allocating available Storage RAM to Program RAM, but the slider doesn't move. I guess it was only for WM2k3
Is there a way in WM5?
thanks,
casemon
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You can't relocate anything from WM5 RAM because it's not used for storing files any more. Therefore, the 'traditional' ways of relocating stuff are simply not needed.
You can only play with what Today plug-ins you have, what apps you use (for example, Web browsers have very different memory consumption at rendering pages), what apps you auto-start. That's the only way to have some influence on the RAM usage of your WM5 device.

If you have a look around on yahoo there are some sites where u can have the RAM upgraded to 128mb instead of 64mb. Last time i checked though it cost around £140 and you also have to send ya phone off for 2 weeks for them to do it.

Memory Allocation

I have a question which puzzles me - perhaps the knowledgeable amongst us can answer it for me.
I have 2 devices, an Orange SPV M2000 (Blue Angel) and an O2 MDA Mini S (Wizard).
When I look at the device info I see this
........................................BA......................Wizard
RAM Size.........................128MB....................64MB
Flash Size..........................32MB....................128MB
Storage Size..................43.26MB.................47.46MB
When I look at the Memory Screen, the BA has 125.77MB main memory showing 62.88MB allocated to Storage and 62.89MB allocated to Program and a slider to alter the split of memory.
When I look at the Memory on the Wizard there is no slider and it shows 44.76MB allocated to Storage and 44.01MB allocated to Program.
Whichever way I look at it I cannot seem to make sense of the figures.
Can someone explain (in simple terms) what these figures mean and why there is such a dramatic difference between the RAM and Flash sizes on these two devices?

First the major difference between Blue Angel and Wizard. Blue Angel stores everything - your programs, data, etc. in RAM. It uses this same RAM for program memory. That's why you get a slider. It's also why, if your battery runs out or your reset it, you lost all your stuff. The Wizard, on the other hand, has memory dedicated for data/settings storage that's like flash memory (so you won't lose your stuff), and different memory for the RAM.
depending on the ROM/ExtRom/Radio Stack, etc. installed there's...
128MB total ROM
of which
44MB is available for storage of applications/user files
the rest is the operating system, extrom, etc.
and
64MB total RAM
of which
49MB is available for running programs/memory
the rest of which is the PIM running in the background, the phone running in the background, the radio stack running in the background, etc. All stuff that either the OEM or Microsoft decided you wouldn't want not running.

Thanks 'Z'.
Now it all makes more sense.

Sorry to resurrect a somewhat buried thread, but I was doing my research before posting by using the search function -- not bad for a newbie, eh? -- and ran across this thread which directly addresses some questions I've been dealing with, but I'd like to throw some stuff out to see if I understand completely.
As I understand it, the Wizard has 64MB of SDRAM, and 128MB of Flash storage memory, correct? On the developer.cingular.com it says 64MB Flash ROM and 128MB SDRAM which appears to be backwards.
On the device Memory manager after a hard reset and installing the Qtek 9100 customization .cab Storage shows Free 43.75 of 47.46MB and Program shows Free 27.18 of 44.01MB.
As I understand it, "Storage" is refering to the Flash non-volatile memory, and "Program" is referring to RAM, correct?
So this means that of the 128MB of flash memory, ~80MB is hidden, including the customization .cab. Of the 64MB of flash memory, more than half is taken up by OS, radio and other things.
Do I have that right?
Now, one more thing. If I drag a 5MB file onto the device, the storage in use increases 5MB but Program isn't affected. This makes perfect sense.
Syncing, however is a different story. A small test sync of email, contacts, and calendar uses 2.68 Storage memory but 3.7MB of Program memory.
I take it from this that when you sync, it writes the pim info to the flash memory but then also automatically expands it into system memory. Do I understand that correctly?
If I am correct, is there any registry hack or anything that can change this behavior? Would it really slow things down so much if your PIM info had to be taken out of Storage memory? Or am I missing something?
Thanks for any responses.
Gene

I hope no one minds that I bump this, it's been several days.
I'm fairly sure my basic understanding of the situation is correct: contacts etc are loaded into persistent memory (ROM) then loaded into system RAM as well -- I speculate to speed searches and such because RAM is so much faster than Flash memory.
However this has a drawback in that whereas a 64MB RAM-only ppc 2003 device was able to handle >5,000 contacts with ease, on the Wizard it takes almost all of the RAM.
I know it's possible to reduce the amount of RAM (and ROM for that matter) being used by other applications but I'm wondering if anyone has explored or figured out a way to keep the PIM info in ROM (registry hack, perhaps) until it's actually needed, and what the repercussions if any were, ie did it make using the pim info unbearably slow?

I have a question here. Why doesn't HTC put more flash ROM storage (maybe 1GB of flash ROM) into its mobile phone? Then we don't need external SD memory card.

I have a question here. Why doesn't HTC put more flash ROM storage (maybe 1GB of flash ROM) into its mobile phone? Then we don't need external SD memory card.

I'm sure they'll be increasing that in upcoming models. Only reason not to, typically, is to keep cost down a bit - and let the user add as much storage memory as they want; this is under the assumption that anything put on the storage card will work just fine, which is not the case with many applications :|

Howto effectively freeup Main Storage?

Hello,
after Using Meschles Touch 3.1 WWE -Rom I wondered how I used up my remaining 46mb main Storage, since I usually put all programs etc on my 8GB SDHC-Card.
Is there any tool that would give me an idea, what programms use how much of my storage? (in Activesync I do not see whether programs are in main or external storage, SKTools does also not show all my installed programes).
How much would I save round about, if I start to compile some programs into self-cooked roms?
How can I find out, wheather my pagefile -memero is 2, 4, 6 or 8 MB?
Thanks for your help

You may go to
mydevice>application data>volatile
open volatile then delet whatever inside it. You may get extra 9 mega.

pocket mechanic is great for that as it. It can also move programs from main memory to storage card (including all relevant files, registry info etc..)

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Thanks for your efforts. I tried both, but I could not free anything, maybe that volatile folder might also be emptied by oxios hibernate?!?
Pocket Mechanic seems quite similar to SKTools, actually there were many programs I could not move, du I even did not information wheather they are on main or external storage (like tomtom). I guess its theses kind of programm who also do not ask you wheather you want to install on external or main memory ;-(