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Opera 8.60 for Windows Mobile, Pocket PC

Download and info here:
http://www.opera.com/products/mobile/products/winmobileppc/
MaX

Downloaded the cab, installed to storage card (the new version removed the old version), ran Opera, it asked me if I wanted to register (17 Euros), I said Okay.
Then I had to tell Opera.com my IMEI in order to get a registration code. I found the IMEI in Settings\Indentity.
When I received the reg code, I ran Opera, selected Tools\register, and then there appeared a box asking for the reg code plus another box showing the "Device ID". The device ID number was completely different from my IMEI, and needless to say, now opera does not accept the registration code. Now I have to write Opera for a new reg code.
So, I would advise all to check the "device id" that opera uses, and provide that number when requesting the registration code, rather than the IMEI found in your PPC's Settings.

Is it just me, or does the large icon for opera have a white background (rather than being a ransparent background as it should be)?

BillB said:
Is it just me, or does the large icon for opera have a white background (rather than being a ransparent background as it should be)?
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also here!!!!
using pocketplus large icon....
MaX

Just my two cents, I've been a big user of the data service, particularly browsing, and found Opera the best browser... almost. A much better alternative is to RDP home, and use whatever you have there. No more need to worry about user agent strings, java or flash, plus, it's (suprisingly) a lot faster. The VJ fullscreenTSC utility is particulary useful for that purpose.

mdaexecfan said:
Just my two cents, I've been a big user of the data service, particularly browsing, and found Opera the best browser... almost. A much better alternative is to RDP home, and use whatever you have there. No more need to worry about user agent strings, java or flash, plus, it's (suprisingly) a lot faster. The VJ fullscreenTSC utility is particulary useful for that purpose.
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Was thinking of trialling Netfront - Can i ask why you think Opera beats Netfront in your eyes?
Thanks
Matt

i was using netfront before i switched to opera and i must say that opera is the best by far.

I find Opera completely useless for most sites:
try www.o2.co.uk on both Opera and Netfront 3.3 and see the difference.
or try new.bbc.co.uk on both
THERE IS NO WAY I WILL EVER USE OPERA.

matt1971 said:
Was thinking of trialling Netfront - Can i ask why you think Opera beats Netfront in your eyes?
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Because with the 'fit to screen' option, Opera resizes the pixs and everything on the webpages - keeping them in proportion with the text. Netfront doesnt, so you end up with horizontal scroolbars and unreadable pages, while the opera-rendered ones looks just like the ones on a regular desktop computer.

I agree, my experience with opera is bad. It locks up all the time and can't be dissuaded from dumping tons of temp data in main storage memory.
Netfront is much better. The fonts on netfront are a bit wierd and its no way perfect though!

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"I find Opera completely useless for most sites:
try www.o2.co.uk on both Opera and Netfront 3.3 and see the difference.
or try new.bbc.co.uk on both
THERE IS NO WAY I WILL EVER USE OPERA."
No problem for the mentioned 2 sites if you'll to set OPERA to 'Fit to screen'

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No problem for the mentioned 2 sites if you'll to set OPERA to 'Fit to screen'
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Exactly - bbc.co.uk is brilliant on opera 'fit to screen'. I find it unusable on netfront.

Sorry, I meant to say the Opera is useless on Universal (mine MDA Pro) compared to NetFront.
I wouldn't use it if they paid me to.

One advantage is netfront 3.3 allows you to log onto more secure sites and if you fiddle with the settings does look and work better for me than Opera but they still haven't relesed the final pay for version and my trial version has ran out

samsul said:
Sorry, I meant to say the Opera is useless on Universal (mine MDA Pro) compared to NetFront.
I wouldn't use it if they paid me to.
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I use Opera on my Universal since the first Beta and all I can say is that it's the closest you can get to a "real" browsing experience on the PDA. The only "better" sollution would be to use some sort of RDP, as mentioned above.
I don't know what you do with your Universal, but on mine, in TrueVGA, Opera is simply great.

Almost as crappy as beta 2! Still very much work in progress - few bugs havn't been fixed, map hardware buttons??, flash??!. Also i'm not sure about you guys but Netfront (latest TP - D2) seems to render about 90% of websites (using WiFi) much quicker than Opera and is more responsive too. What's up with that?!?

Has anyone read the press release fully?
Here it is. http://www.opera.com/pressreleases/en/2006/05/31/
One bit that jumped out at me was this.
The first operators to ship Windows Mobile devices with Opera Mobile(TM) pre-installed are T-Mobile through their Web'n'Walk offering, and the leading Japanese operator, Willcom.
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Has anyone seen Opera on a released T-mobile phone, or is it more likely the t-mobile have been holding up the release of ROMs in the UK market until they could put Opera out at the same time? If this is true then should we be expecting to see an AKU2 ROM for the MDA PRO with opera embedded sometime soon?

matt1971 said:
Was thinking of trialling Netfront - Can i ask why you think Opera beats Netfront in your eyes?
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I have found NetFront to be AWESOME. I have it set so I see full webpages with very little jumbling or problems.
Combine it with FlexMail and you got a basic internet package on the go..
That said, I will give the new Opera a spin.. Why not.. Everything since I installed the latest DOPOD ROM has been working flawlessly and well I cant have that..
Charles

samsul said:
Sorry, I meant to say the Opera is useless on Universal (mine MDA Pro) compared to NetFront.
I wouldn't use it if they paid me to.
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Considering that the opinions are so divergent, yet we all come equipped with (pretty similar) sets of eyeballs, I reckon I'm going to take screenshots of both netfront and opera rendering of common webpages and will post them here.

I am a web designer and think the differences of opinions are all to do with how the site's are coded in terms of fixed widths and such like in the html or xhtml and CSS.
Netfront is definitly better for me as web designer for checking on the fly changes for clients sites but for simply viewing sites informtion then I think the new opera mini works quite well and keeps data trafic low.

How does it work?

I was trying this past weekend to sell something on Craigslist. I remembered a while back that I could take a couple pics of my things to sell on my MDA and post it right from the phone. Now it doesn't work. I get this error saying that it can't process my request. I did a little homework and found out that the site has somehow blocked people from posting ads from their phones. How does the site know I'm posting from my phone?

from what i know by default your browser of choice has a name it uses to identify itself to a website. using schap's advance config 2.02.1.0.0 there is a feature u can check the broswer name, by default it is set to HTC_P4350 Mozilla/4.0 (for my wing) which i am sure website pick up as a mobile browser maybe set it to what the default IE on your computer shows.

maybe you can try using Opera Mobile and masking it as a desktop??
can Netfront do that? i have no idea....

With the Advance config version i mentioned above u can rename the browser agent and yes most websites dont pick up that opera mini is mobile ie myspace from pocket IE will display lame text groups for checking things... just based on the broswer where as opera mini 4 it picks up the normal myspace page if that makes sense.

alright. i'll give it a shot

mv3 said:
maybe you can try using Opera Mobile and masking it as a desktop??
can Netfront do that? i have no idea....
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Yes, netfront can do that.
steps..
1)go to its options>misc tab
2)edit/make a user agent as following..
Code:
title:IE
user-agent:Mozilla/4.08 (compatible; Windows NT/5.1) 6.0
appName:MSIE
appVersion:6.0
appCodeName:Mozilla
language/platform: en / Windows NT 5.1

Opera shows mobile view only on some sites

i got a problem with the preinstalled opera 9.5. on some sites it show only the mobile view and can`t be convinced to show the full desktop site. in the adress line there is then mobile.....com writen and i can`t change the mobile. youtube or google for example. is there a way to change this? (i unchecked the mobile view box in the settings). i also tried 9.7 beta. this one shows full desktop view but crash very often.

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for TP2 (sprint)

did u try to change your settings? in the address field type "about:config" and scroll down to user agent. change it to 2 or 3 (firefox or ie respectively). this should make websites recognize your browser differently. it should work for most sites.

first off, thank you for replying. I changed my user agent settings to both 2 and 3. no luck with either. I have to admit I don't which number coincides with which browser (firefox or ie). Any other suggestions??

nothing has worked for me either. I'm using Opera 9.5

You need to change your "custom user agent" string to something like this:
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.3)
It's under "user preferences" in opera's "about:config".

Ok, thanks.
1st here is my string under that exact setting:
Mozilla/4.0 (compatible;MSIE 6.0; windows CE; IEMobile 8.12 MSIEmobile6.0) Sprint T7380.
I'm not sure what to edit.
i changed Mozilla/4.0 to 5.0 but wasnt sure what to leave or take away. thanks for helping.

meccadon123 said:
Ok, thanks.
1st here is my string under that exact setting:
Mozilla/4.0 (compatible;MSIE 6.0; windows CE; IEMobile 8.12 MSIEmobile6.0) Sprint T7380.
I'm not sure what to edit.
i changed Mozilla/4.0 to 5.0 but wasnt sure what to leave or take away. thanks for helping.
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The part in bold identifies your browser as being a "mobile" browser. See what I mean? There are sites that tell you how to "break down" the agent string.
http://www.zytrax.com/tech/web/browser_ids.htm
Go to this site in your mobile phone and see what it returns (it will show you your agent string):
http://webmaster.info.aol.com/browserjs.html
Then, go to the same site with your desktop and see what it returns (mine is below):
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.3) Gecko/20090824 Firefox/3.5.3
The trick is to "spoof" a desktop computer. So, you will want to research "user agent string" for Browsers.

Thanks again, used your string, worked like a charm. However i need flash for some websites. Any suggestions? Sprint TP2
Thanks again man, this was bugging me like crazy.

adobe flash lite
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=4397173&highlight=flash#post4397173

Thanks for link

its far from perfect, but its the best opera can do right now. if u still cant view the flash on the site u want, then i suggest u try the app skyfire. it is a browser that can handle most anything.
www.skyfire.com

haha, I was just about to chime back in. I unzipped into opera folder but no luck. I also found some generic flash cab install, no luck. Funny, i beta tested Skyfire on my 6800. I like opera better, i cant view NFL websites. They are still saying "need flash"...Grrr...thanks for the skyfire link and all the help. Some folks usually ignore threads like this, you all have been very helpful.

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haha, I was just about to chime back in. I unzipped into opera folder but no luck. I also found some generic flash cab install, no luck. Funny, i beta tested Skyfire on my 6800. I like opera better, i cant view NFL websites. They are still saying "need flash"...Grrr...thanks for the skyfire link and all the help. Some folks usually ignore threads like this, you all have been very helpful.
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the desktop youtube works for me with this.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=544770

[APP] RELEASED 100109! — Opera Personality Switcher

Here's my initial release of "Opera Personality Switcher," soon to be found in my custom ROM
It gives you a few options for opera's "Personality" -- user agent, proxy, etc. It's handy if you want to spoof a site (I use it to fool sites into feeding me their iPhone content)
Here's what I have so far:
1) OPS iPhone - No proxy, user agent set to match mobile Safari's
2) OPS Opera Mobile Standard - No proxy, user agent set to Opera's default
3) OPS Opera Mobile Standard 2 - No proxy, user agent set to "HTC-P4600/1.2 Opera/9.50 (Windows NT 5.1; U; en)" -- which is the standard for a Fuze (and for a Touch Pro?)
4) OPS AT&T Fuze- Media Net's proxy (wireless.cingular.com), user agent set like on Standard 2
5) OPS Firefox- No proxy, user agent set like Firefox 3.5 on Windows, for a full desktop experience.
I'm no programmer, so this is all accomplished with registry tweaks done cabs, linked in your start menu, in a folder called "Opera Personality Switcher." It works more or less the way AT&T's Enable/Disable proxy cabs did.
This is tested against a newish build of Opera 9.7 (currently 35432, found here), but may work on more recent versions of 9.5 as well. This first release will only work on versions of Opera Mobile that store preference settings in the registry.

Sounds great. Would you also add a desktop mode that sets the user agent to firefox or opera?

moonscapex said:
Sounds great. Would you also add a desktop mode that sets the user agent to firefox or opera?
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Sure. Expect the practical results to be very similar to the Opera (mobile) standard -- except for on those very few sites that actually recognize opera as a mobile browser (my experience is that most don't.
Actually, I might as well put in an IE mobile variation too, to FORCE it to be recognized as a mobile browser ...

Initial version released!

good stuff mate... have added it here : http://www.1800pocketpc.com/2009/10/01/opera-personality-switcher-change-user-agent-on-opera-mobile.html

Thanks for tha cabs.. kinda useless yet I want it and like tha idea
umm does not work for me.. tryed iphone cab then firefox - while oprea was running then stopped.. closed installed and lunched every time my broswer Still came up opera 9.7 ?
**just lost most files on my memory card so iv downloaded 9.7 2days ago str8 from opera.com...?

Wordsmith9091 said:
Here's my initial release of "Opera Personality Switcher," soon to be found in my custom ROM
It gives you a few options for opera's "Personality" -- user agent, proxy, etc. It's handy if you want to spoof a site (I use it to fool sites into feeding me their iPhone content)
Here's what I have so far:
1) OPS iPhone - No proxy, user agent set to match mobile Safari's
2) OPS Opera Mobile Standard - No proxy, user agent set to Opera's default
3) OPS Opera Mobile Standard 2 - No proxy, user agent set to "HTC-P4600/1.2 Opera/9.50 (Windows NT 5.1; U; en)" -- which is the standard for a Fuze (and for a Touch Pro?)
4) OPS AT&T Fuze- Media Net's proxy (wireless.cingular.com), user agent set like on Standard 2
5) OPS Firefox- No proxy, user agent set like Firefox 3.5 on Windows, for a full desktop experience.
I'm no programmer, so this is all accomplished via cabs, linked in your start menu, in a folder called "Opera Personality Switcher." It works more or less the way AT&T's Enable/Disable proxy cabs did.
This is tested against a newish build of Opera 9.7 (currently 35432, found here), but may work on more recent versions of 9.5 as well.
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I´m posting a link to your work here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=486502
Thanks a lot!!

criminalogic said:
Thanks for tha cabs.. kinda useless yet I want it and like tha idea
umm does not work for me.. tryed iphone cab then firefox - while oprea was running then stopped.. closed installed and lunched every time my broswer Still came up opera 9.7 ?
**just lost most files on my memory card so iv downloaded 9.7 2days ago str8 from opera.com...?
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I haven't tested against the official beta yet, but taking a quick look at the cab available from opera's site, it looks like it still relies on opera.ini (rather than the registry entries OPS changes) -- so it seems like it wouldn't work.
I'll look into it making it work with that release (and older 9.5s that work the same way) when I've got a bit of free time later this week.

Just downloaded it and it works fine for me. I am running the 9.7 version of opera. I installed the OPSiphone file and then opened Opera. I had to open it close it and then opened it again and it worked fine. Great app thanks

Good stuff. Now, I have a way to get cingular video to work and get regular desktop pages WITHOUT having two diff browsers. Thanks much.

excellent idea!
Thanks for this... very useful

hey Wordsmith9091
wondering if you could update your cab to include latest version of opera mobile or give us a clue of where to find user agent on the register so that we can edit them our self thank you
don't like visiting mobile sites unless i choose too rather visit desktop version first

ATT-Half said:
hey Wordsmith9091
wondering if you could update your cab to include latest version of opera mobile or give us a clue of where to find user agent on the register so that we can edit them our self thank you
don't like visiting mobile sites unless i choose too rather visit desktop version first
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Im interested too

Opera uses google mobile not google classic

I have been search this forum for an answer to this problem but none have worked.
When i search using the google search option under the address bar in opera it redirects me to google mobile. If i search using the search option when I start opera, the standard homepage search, it uses classic google, in the same spot and using the same search term.
With such a large screen I prefer using classic google rather than mobile.
Is there a way to stop opera from using mobile google?
I have tried changing the UAprofurl enabled to 0
and changing the spoof to 2 and 3.
if i search using the search bar in the internet tab it also seds me to google mobile.
ROM is vodafone UK 1.41
Opera is the standard 9.7 out of the box.

any one else have this problem?

Set Google as your homepage and it will be the classic version. I don't search from the address bar but I suppose the mobile version could come in handy from time to time.

charliebarter said:
any one else have this problem?
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It is functioning correctly - there's nothing wrong with your app or settings. It is a bit strange though. You'd expect all 3 searches to use the same.
Anyway, there's a "sort of" fix for it. It still uses google mobile, but it opens pages properly, not mobile versions.
Do a search, from the search on the internet tab, and when you get the results page scroll to the bottom and click on settings. If you set "Format web pages for your phone" to "Off" and click Save, it stores a cookie on your phone so all links from google mobile open full websites.
I think it's the best of both worlds, but still think it's strange that it doesn't just use google classic in the first place.
Ah well

I have the same issue. I have set Google as my home page, but I would like the google search option to return results in google classic. Would love to know if there is a way of doing this.

johncmolyneux said:
It is functioning correctly - there's nothing wrong with your app or settings. It is a bit strange though. You'd expect all 3 searches to use the same.
Anyway, there's a "sort of" fix for it. It still uses google mobile, but it opens pages properly, not mobile versions.
Do a search, from the search on the internet tab, and when you get the results page scroll to the bottom and click on settings. If you set "Format web pages for your phone" to "Off" and click Save, it stores a cookie on your phone so all links from google mobile open full websites.
I think it's the best of both worlds, but still think it's strange that it doesn't just use google classic in the first place.
Ah well
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This doesn't work, try going to the Sun newspaper for instance. The site opens the mobile version in Opera and the desktop version in IE.

sunking101 said:
This doesn't work, try going to the Sun newspaper for instance. The site opens the mobile version in Opera and the desktop version in IE.
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I don't know what to say to that - it works on mine. I always do this as I agree with the OP and prefer Google classic.
Maybe the Sun website has a mobile version and that's where the redirection occurs. Does it happen if you search for the sun newspaper from google classic?
Did you try it on any other sites, or just that one?

sunking101 said:
This doesn't work, try going to the Sun newspaper for instance. The site opens the mobile version in Opera and the desktop version in IE.
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Some sites try to determine whether or not you are using a mobile device and will automatically send you to there mobile site.

harolds said:
Some sites try to determine whether or not you are using a mobile device and will automatically send you to there mobile site.
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Yeah - I just tried The Sun and it does it no matter how you get there.
The above advice does work for making google mobile search open standard versions of sites, and not the google reformatted versions.

johncmolyneux said:
Yeah - I just tried The Sun and it does it no matter how you get there.
The above advice does work for making google mobile search open standard versions of sites, and not the google reformatted versions.
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The Sun website works perfectly when navigated there via IE though, from a mobile device. What does IE do that Opera can't manage?

sunking101 said:
The Sun website works perfectly when navigated there via IE though, from a mobile device. What does IE do that Opera can't manage?
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It's probably down to the useragent identifier of the browser. Maybe the IE useragent just identifies it as IE, whereas the Opera mobile one identifies it as a mobile browser. That's just a thought though, as I've not looked into that at all.

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The Sun website works perfectly when navigated there via IE though, from a mobile device. What does IE do that Opera can't manage?
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One of the ways (may be others I don't know) websites use what's called the UserAgent to determine what type the browser is, and if the site doesn't recognize the UserAgent as a mobile device then it assumes it's not.
UserAgent:
Opera: HTC_HD2_T8585 Opera/9.7 (Windows NT 5.1; U; en)
IE: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; HTC_HD2_T8585; Windows Phone 6.5) UP.Link/6.3.1.20.0
So your guess is as good as mine why the site does what it does.

Same here.
Boring.
For instance, the famous French newspaper Le Monde.
If you search "lemonde" on Google it will show you the mobile version of www.lemonde.fr
How to change this?

arturobandini said:
Same here.
Boring.
For instance, the famous French newspaper Le Monde.
If you search "lemonde" on Google it will show you the mobile version of www.lemonde.fr
How to change this?
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Use IE.
Change Opera's UserAgent. Don't know how, maybe it's in the registry somewhere.

The user agent can be changed by opening opera and navigating to opera:config and then under user prefs, there's a setting "custom user agent".
I've changed it to the useragent of my PCs current version of IE, by going to http://whatsmyuseragent.com/ but it doesn't make any difference.
There's also a user agent setting (not under user prefs), but it's just a number so I don't know what it relates to. There's probably a settings file somewhere that specifies a list of useragent strings. (Maybe in windows\opera9 somewhere).

johncmolyneux said:
The user agent can be changed by opening opera and navigating to opera:config and then under user prefs, there's a setting "custom user agent".
I've changed it to the useragent of my PCs current version of IE, by going to http://whatsmyuseragent.com/ but it doesn't make any difference.
There's also a user agent setting (not under user prefs), but it's just a number so I don't know what it relates to. There's probably a settings file somewhere that specifies a list of useragent strings. (Maybe in windows\opera9 somewhere).
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I found this which is what the user agent relates to, i've set mine to 2 and this makes no difference, might try all of them and get back to you.
The numbers under user agent =
There are 5 options where you can choose from:
1 = Identify as Opera
2 = Identify as Firefox
3 = Identify as Internet Explorer
4 = Mask as Firefox (Opera not mentioned in user agent string)
5 = Mask as Internet Explorer (Opera not mentioned in user agent string)