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Good morning all. As I research this 8525 and all the variants, I notice the biggest difference is the lack of a video-phone feature. The camera just isn't there (or maybe its hidden under that plastic bezel). In any case, two things. First, has anyone with a video-equipped version of the Hermes tried it on the Cingular network? Did it work? (as I drool patiently for that answer).
Next, does anyone know where I can get a Hermes WITH video capability here in the US?
Thanks in advance, all.
kristiandg said:
Good morning all. As I research this 8525 and all the variants, I notice the biggest difference is the lack of a video-phone feature. The camera just isn't there (or maybe its hidden under that plastic bezel). In any case, two things. First, has anyone with a video-equipped version of the Hermes tried it on the Cingular network? Did it work? (as I drool patiently for that answer).
Next, does anyone know where I can get a Hermes WITH video capability here in the US?
Thanks in advance, all.
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Good Morning. I've read posts that say Cingular does not support Video calling. Oh and the camera is not hidden under bezel - this was checked out - sorry.
Mike
I spoke with a tech at Cingular regarding this issue and he told me that the video call function would work on the UMTS network, and that Cingular chose to offer the ptt function instead of video calling. I plan to try it out with a friend of mine when I go to Atlanta next week.
I got my Softbank (Hermes) off of fleabay and it works great on Cingular US.
Later.........
mikechannon said:
Good Morning. I've read posts that say Cingular does not support Video calling. Oh and the camera is not hidden under bezel - this was checked out - sorry.
Mike
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Well, Cingular did just announce they will be offering Video calling this year....
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Well, Cingular did just announce they will be offering Video calling this year....
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this is true, and they stated that there service will use the outward facing camera and will demonstrate it at CES which is going on now.
I just bought my I-Mate JasJam overseas and am heading back to Texas next week and it WILL work with cingulars UMTS.
I have never bought any phones from a carrier, all my previous devices have been bought over seas and worked flawlessly with cingular, as i expect my jasjam to.
Cingular network is tricky.
VideoCalling (VC) requires Quality of Service (QoS) flags set on network components. Right now I do not have handy list of supliers for Cingular but what I know they are not offering QoS in their products. Now Cingular have to patch this with other producers solutions. Why? Not because customers, it's because T-Mobile won AWS (advanced wireless spectrum) bid and they says that when they will start offering 3G service for customers it will be state of the art network (including VC, HSDPA, maybe HSUPA).
Unfortunatelly Cingular tech support do not know what they are saying. That is why they told you about PTT instead of VC. In good network you can achive PTT, VC and all other bandwith consuming application without any problems. In Europe it is custom that you can have voice call and same time you can download data using HSDPA. In GPRS/EDGE network same function could have devices class A but.... no mobile producer came with such handset because there are 0 networks ready for such usage.
fone_fanatic: your JasJam will work on Cingular UMTS - you will have fast downloads but you can forget about VC. Maybe later this year. Sad but true.
fone_fanatic said:
this is true, and they stated that there service will use the outward facing camera and will demonstrate it at CES which is going on now.
I just bought my I-Mate JasJam overseas and am heading back to Texas next week and it WILL work with cingulars UMTS.
I have never bought any phones from a carrier, all my previous devices have been bought over seas and worked flawlessly with cingular, as i expect my jasjam to.
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Aw, man. Can you bring me back one.
anybody have links to benchmark tests of wizard vs. hermes? thinking about getting a hermes and i need to know if its really THAT much faster than the wizy.
excuse the title, im working on about 2 hours sleep
Ive got both and I must admit my wizard running crossbow (wm6) is leaving my hermes for dust! However I do feel that the roms for hermes are not on par yet with the ones for the wizard, so hopefully sometime soon there be a rom that shows the hermes for it true colours
IMO, the diff between a hermes and a wizard is something no ROM can fix:
3G
I've never surfed so fast. My search today plugin (treo lift) gives me instant google results. I can stream 96K to my A2DP headset. I don't use the $10 Hotel Internet coverage any more because my laptop can access 3G Internet speeds internet through DUN (soon to be Internet Sharing when the AKU 3.x TyTN ROM is released).
Before I had 3g coverage I missed my 8125 because it's ROM really was faster and besides, the device had almost double the battery life.
Now, I can't go back.
Sleuth255 said:
IMO, the diff between a hermes and a wizard is something no ROM can fix:
Before I had 3g coverage I missed my 8125 because it's ROM really was faster and besides, the device had almost double the battery life.
Now, I can't go back.
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i agree with u 100% 1000kbit/sec on 3g COMPARED TO 96kbit/sec on edge
Hands down, the 3G data is addictive. The first time you travel with it, you won't know how you did without it before... as long as you can keep this thing juiced, you'll be happy.
Soon The WM6 will be available for Hermes...
Eagerly waiting,....
omg!!!! are you serious? so you mean that my 8125 that i got for about $100, unlocked for free, and my dog left bite marks on, with crossbow running on it is faster than the miracle machine (tytn)?
sorry for the gloating. i was really about to shell out the money to get a hermes. but now i don't think i have to.
question... 3g is embeded in hardware right? there wont be a software tweak to allow 3g on to a wizard, correct? i'm on tmobile and i love it here. only thing is internet package is $30 and its not even 3g. i refuse to go to cingular. (we've got big beef since about 1999 when they were at&t. still haven't paid those bastards. no one talks to me like that.)
thanks for the info guys.
*back to wizard subforum*
Faster is a relative term. It's screen response is faster when overclocked to 240mhz (who doesn't overclock their wizard tho?). It's connectivity is snail like by comparison. 3G is a hardware feature unfortunately.
Thanks for stopping by!
So I read somewhere online that Ericsson will upgrade existing edge technology to reach speeds of 1Mbit/sec. But will be available in 2009. Does this mean that it is only a software update for the htc wizard to get this speed without any hardware changes? Sucks its 2 years away though. 3G will be widely available at that time. what use would that new edge technology be for? wish they could have thought of this 2 years ago.
Don't crosspost please.
someone wants to be a mod bad!!!!!! lol jk
Well, according to Boy Genius Report T-mobile will be rolling out their 3G network by summer 2008 which is long overdue. What I'm curious about is how this will affect current users and rates. Will I have to buy a new phone or will my wing be able to use the new 3G network? Will the data rates go up or change from unlimited? Anybody heard any information on this?
Their 3G system is still GSM compatible, so having a wing is still ok. But that means they will have to release their 3G phone (a.k.a. Kaiser from what my sources tell me.)
As far as rates go: I dunno.
I'll just be glad when they stop messing around with the towers and service here.
will this affect the sucky EDGE??...
will they finish before AT&T?!
will it mean more stability in the connections??
will living near an airport mean you'll still get knocked off when a plane flies overhead??
who knows!.. but we will definitely find out sooner or later, right?
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Their 3G system is still GSM compatible, so having a wing is still ok. But that means they will have to release their 3G phone (a.k.a. Kaiser from what my sources tell me.)
As far as rates go: I dunno.
I'll just be glad when they stop messing around with the towers and service here.
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Awesome! Hopefully I'll be able to stream some decent videos and data on my wing once 3G comes around! Edge sucks when it comes to that. Appriciate the info!
But I thought the Wing is not 3G capable.
it would only make sense that the 2g network and equipment will still work until everyone has slowly migrated over to the new 3g network and the first phones would work on both networks.
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.... But that means they will have to release their 3G phone (a.k.a. Kaiser from what my sources tell me.)....
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I wanted the Tilt so damn bad I was almost willing to switch providers, but when I found out I could get a Wing for 79 bucks I stuck with T-Mo, thinking I'd wait ANOTHER year for them to roll out 3g. I would just have to buy a Kaiser if they came out with one that wasn't hobbled. (Can't someone put a 624mhz processor, and a decent amount of RAM in one of these? Is that too much to ask?)
Ya' know, maybe I should rethink that. I used a Psion 5 for years before switching to an iPAQ 2215, then a 2755-- all the while thinking: "Man, if I could get a keyboard, phone and Pocket PC rolled into one, that would be the best!"
I've had a Wing for a couple of months and I don't honestly recall one time that I've used the keyboard. Of course, it's keyboard is a piece of junk compared to the Psion 5's, but using the iPAQ's for so long conditioned me into a stylus typist.
I really have high hopes for Firefox portable on 3g though. This summer?--- well, I guess we've all heard that before!
I have heard different things, i surfed the net and these forums and i still get different things. all i wanna know is, is the wing compatible with the new 3G network coming out this summer?
No.
it will connect to the available compatible frequency. The expected 3/3.5G network will operate at a different frequency that the wing's radio doesn't connect to.
unless the newer radio roms somehow added that connection to that frequency... then no.
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No.
it will connect to the available compatible frequency. The expected 3/3.5G network will operate at a different frequency that the wing's radio doesn't connect to.
unless the newer radio roms somehow added that connection to that frequency... then no.
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haha.. F*** it then.. Bye Bye Wing.. and Hello Kaiser.. Well i hope Tmobile gets the TyTn 2.. ill be set with that..
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haha.. F*** it then.. Bye Bye Wing.. and Hello Kaiser.. Well i hope Tmobile gets the TyTn 2.. ill be set with that..
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By the time T-mobile has their 3/3.5G..3.5+??.. network up and running smoothly.. HTC might well have a better and much sexier phone than the TyTn II....and from what I could tell the MDA Vario III is higher model of it than the original :O..unlike the Tilt which is a lower model but has this 1 advantage over it's big brother.. hope T-Mobile doesnt water down the Vario III before it gets over here, or should I say if?...and a maybe $300-$500 price tag for Vario III(via upgrade or contract and if they wait long enough it might be running a stock full, stable WinMobile 6.1 rather than buggy leaked one)versus $800+ for Kaiser? not to mention the still unsolved video drivers travesty with it :'(... new Touch Cruise and the P6500(Sedna) are pretty freaking sweet even compared to HTC's flagship TyTn II.
I actually love my phone enough that I might wait till next year for a phone with stock WinMobile 7 and all the freaky powers, motion sensor technology, and processors that phones running it are going to need. Those r going to make my Wing look like Razr! :'( I'll miss you Wing...btw, the TyTn II/Kaiser won't be able to run a lot of the previewed Windows Mobile 7 features either.
T-Mobiles 3G is slated to be substantially faster than AT&T's.
No one knows for sure if current 3G phones will work, but I have a Hermes and I'm being locked out of my internet in South Florida due to 3G testing, so i'm assuming it will work when it's released since I'm hitting a firewall right now.
A t-mobile rep on that board said they are going to have new pricing, so it's most likely going to be more expensive.
Questions...
I wonder if the prices for the unlimited data plans will change for people who are already in contracts. I'm paying an extra $19.99/month for the Total Internet add-on right now. Guess I'll just have to wait and see...
The Wing has 3G just not the one that we think is compatible to the new network right?
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No one knows for sure if current 3G phones will work
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Ummm, isnt Tmo's 3G supposed to be on the 1700 MHz band? That means the tilt etc wont work........
I'm hearing mixed things from everyone. I hope the wing will work but no one knows for sure.
Wing To Shift
im gonna change to the shift soon and hopefully i dont have problems with service
A T-Mobile wing is not a 3G phone so drop it and get a 3G phone
have they announced what us carrier its comming to officialy?
ive heard at&t and ive heard T-mobile...
i would say probably none. but i did just see a video from CITA that has a rep saying "we haven't officially named any US partnership" which could mean nothing.. but who knows..
either way i'll be getting the phone and using it on ATT
can't wait till ROGERS has the phone. it'll be easier to get one online once they do
It will be announced by one of the companies 1 year after its release... as usual.
I've seen a few videos online that show the X10 with AT&T branding on the home screen.
With the way AT&T is going with Android, they'll need some time to lock down the OS and make it as non-open as possible.
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It will be announced by one of the companies 1 year after its release... as usual.
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What are you talking about?
One version supports AWS 1700 (WCDMA-IV), a specific T-Mobile US band (+ a Canadian provider) - it's not too far fetched to see TMO picking it up as soon as possible...
You think maybe he was poking a little fun at the carriers mostly slow release schedule? Relax man, aint nothing going on here worth getting worked up over.
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You think maybe he was poking a little fun at the carriers mostly slow release schedule? Relax man, aint nothing going on here worth getting worked up over.
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ditto.
again. even if it is picked up. it'll probably be long after the phone has lost interest.. at least here in US
ATT
I was told by the manager of the ATT in Honolulu Wednesday that they wil be getting it very soon( could be bull**** as I do not know him personally) but there was a couple of operator issues to be worked out. He figured that it was about 30-45 days out. Roger Wireless Canada is already showing the phone on their website which usually means that it will be available withing 30 days from them.
What operator issue? Anyone who has used a Rogers HTC Android on AT&T knows that as long as the APN is known, everything works. Ditto with the Nexus One.
Operator issue is code word for: Lets bloat it up with useless software like the Motorola Backflip.
I would rather pay more for the phone rather than having a subsidy.
saltorio said:
I've seen a few videos online that show the X10 with AT&T branding on the home screen.
With the way AT&T is going with Android, they'll need some time to lock down the OS and make it as non-open as possible.
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I had also seen videos and pics of the X1 with AT&T panels... but that didn't happen. Eitherway, I'd prefer for the X10 NOT to be released on AT&T and to be sold directly through Sony Style (with the prerequisite ATT 3G bands of course), that way I can continue using my $10 unlimited data plan instead of the mandatory $30 PDA data plan with smartphones sold through ATT.