I'm Considering a Wizard as a replacement for a Blue Angel but reading the specs I see it only has a 200Mhz CPU, although I did read somewhere that it was a Dual core CPU..Is this correct or was it a typo on the web page?
Anyway I just wondered if anyone on here who has owned both could comment on the relative performance of the Wizard against the Blue Angel with it's 400Mhz CPU.
One of my main uses is TomTom5 and although my Blue Angel handles it fine at 400Mhz I also have an ageing Toshiba E330 Pocket PC (300Mhz CPU) that really struggles with TomTom5.
Anyone using a Wizard with TomTom5 like to comment on how it performs?
You will find that the K-Jam is a bit slower in opening applications than the Blue Angel. However, once they open they generally work fine. I run a number of processor heavy apps from time to time, including Tom Tom with no problems. (BTW, Tom Tom is not installable using the set up CD's directly but you can use the cab files on them. Search the site here for how.)
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I've had the Wizard for about 2 weeks now and i can say i'm fairly pleased with CPU, everything runs fine but i've heard there is a tool to raise the speed of the CPU in this phone. does anyone have information regarding this tool ?
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Hi all,
I installed xpcuscalar v2.93 on my k-jam but it just won't start. I would like to know if there's anyone has got it running on a wizard.
thanks
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Not likely
the Wizards' CPU is a TI OMAP and not an xScale processor...
Arnon
But it's supposed to work on the magician isn't it?
Hmmmm
IIRC Magician IS xscale so it should run fine on there, Wizard (k-jam O2 XDA mini-s or pro, etc) is a different processor technology so its all different
Ah, I see. Thanks.
Is there any way to overclock the cpu of the k-jam?
Thanks
As yet. no
But i have seen on here that it is a work in progress so keep an eye on the forums for a couple of months and maybe there will be soon
Thanks
Hi guys,
what's the big advantage of k-Jam vs Jam?
I've got the Jam and I'm thinking about changing it with the k-Jam but I don't know if there is a real and valid motivations (money/features)...
P.S: The EDGE it's the big advantage I'd like to have...
It is a preference...suggest you try the K-Jam out if possible. The K-Jam has a keyboard slide out but it adds a bit of fat to the JAM.
Operating system wise, K-JAM uses the latest Windows Mobile 5.0. Only thing is that WM5.0 is still very new and not all your WM2003 apps will run on it properly. WM5.0 is great for one handed navigation thus bridging the gap with current mobile phones like Nokia.
CPU wise, K-JAM uses the slower T1 OMAP 195MHz CPU compared to the JAM's 416MHz. But the T1 is dual-core (for dual processing) and has great battery life.
Memory wise, use of persistent storage in WM5.0 K-JAM means your files get stored in working ROM and not RAM so in a hard reset, you will not lose your precious files. Means also you get the full 64MB RAM for the system to use.
K-JAM has Wi-Fi and 2 external card slots, one normal SD and one mini-SD. Now depending on the distributor, one of those slots will be used for the Wi-Fi card so you will use the other for your storage needs.
To find out more about K-JAM, visit the Wizard forum
The Jam is more useful as phone, but WM5 is missing
Dont get KJam, my frd had it and I also play with it for a little over a week
The slowness and lagging really really will make you cry back to the normal Jam
WM5 is great tho, but if you want WM5 go get the ETen m600
Wait for the imate JAMIN if you're an imate fan. Otherwise get the Dopod 818 Pro
With the K-JAM, one of the reasons for the lag is the bundled software...I think getting rid of the AntiVirus should alleviate some speed issues.
The problem is, even when you get the software out and fine tune everything, its still very slow
But its not entirely the KJam fault, its the fact that no software in the market takes adventage of the OMAP cpu's power of taking more task per cpu cycle.... yet
K-JAM has Wi-Fi and 2 external card slots, one normal SD and one mini-SD. Now depending on the distributor, one of those slots will be used for the Wi-Fi card so you will use the other for your storage needs.
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I thought all variants only had a miniSD slot with Wifi 'built-in' ??
I thought all variants only had a miniSD slot with Wifi 'built-in' ??
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From the reviews I've read, in some countries, the Wizard comes with the Wi-Fi on miniSD card and in others, the Wizard is bundled with Wi-Fi SD card.
There is no built in Wi-Fi.
I have TomTom 5 running on my MDA Vario, but find that it takes some time be fore the program is active (appears on the screen)
I used to have an Ipaq 2210 and the startup of TT5 was much quicker.
Are there any tweaks to make start up quicker (like with Navigon)???
TomTom isn't fully compatible with WM5 / Vario yet. Best you can do is wait for a patch of new release from TomTom to come to speed things up.
Also try shutting down as many unnecesarry programs, cleaning up double memory entries with check notifications or downloading tools to tweak/speed up your vario like pocketmechanic (i think it's called pocketmachenic, not sure.).
FYI, TomTom 5.21 supports WM5
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TomTom isn't fully compatible with WM5 / Vario yet.
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Stop talking utter, utter, ****e; it is fully compatible with WM5. Look for TomTom 5.21 :roll: :roll: :roll:
It may not be comparing apples with apples but I have the latest versions of TomTom 5 on my MDA Vario and my Palm T3 (Downloaded yesterday). It takes 32 seconds for the TomTom map to appear on my Vario and just 3 seconds on my Palm.
There is a problem somewhere when it takes 10X longer to open on the WM5 Machine than a Palm OS5 machine - surely?
Problem is most likely with TomTom than your PPC. It is slow starting up on my Magician. It would surprise me if TomTom had bothered to optimize the code in any way, the PPC version of the software is notorious in its lack of support and number of bugs.
you all seem to be beating about the bush. the vario has an OMAP processor which is dual core running at 200Mhz. to enable programs to take advantage of the dual core they need to be programmed with the OMAP extensions. Tomtom 5.21 is optimised for Xscale cpu's and that is the reason that tomtom have not listed that tomtom is compatible with the vario.
tomtom will run, but it will run like a dog with three legs, until a version appears that supports the OMAP extensions.
I must say at the moment i am a little dissapointed with this phone as i used my blueangel for tomtom & listening to WMA's using windows media, however the vario will not do this without windows media slowing up and eventually crashing, this is because tomtom is hogging the first core of the omap chip, and windows media is trying to use both cores for playback. i really do hope that tomtom get thier finger out soon as there will be a whole raft of devices with texas instruments OMAP chips soon, this is because of the far less power consumption due to lower clock speeds with little lost in performance.
this is the reason a lot of people are complaining that the vario is slow. it is not its just that most third party programs are not programmed with the OMAP extensions, but in benchmarking for processor performance, the wizard beat the magician that had a far higher clock rate and poor battery life because of it.
so it is a waiting game until developers realise the popularity of the wizard and program with that demographic in mind
I understand the OMAP thing, but it takes just as long on a Universal with xscale.
I read it was because TT is sparking up bluetooth, pairing up and then launching the program automatically, and this process took the time.
It works, and it's great.
Joe
I have no problems with Tomtom... Yes it's slow to launch, but after that it runs very smoothly. That includes playing MP3s at the same time and even running VisualGPSce in background.
Just wait 30 secs... :roll:
Sorry I have got to say that is bull...
I have all three devices and the tmoble compact wm5.
On my exec/m5000 if the bluetooth is off it takes 9 seconds to start up on m500(aka jam) takes 12secs.
Now lets get on to my crappy k jam 26 secs and fraction faster for my t mobile compact 2 both running the slower processor and wm5.
Yes I actually got stop watch out and timed all four saying that tomtom on my n70 pees over all my pdas at a blinding 3 secs. Treo 650 2-3 secs.
So again lets stop beating around the bush the device though great is bloody slow and for al those who claim it is in same speed as execs. You obviously are patient.
those people who are saying it takes just as long on an xscale ppc are talking pants.it is because it is an OMAP processor.
but what is worrying me is that tomtom are now listing the k-jam as bieng compatible. which may mean that tomtom have no intention of optimising it for an omap processor which would be a shame.
but I do have to stress that the kjam is not slow and crappy its just that software isn't optimised for it. when the first ipaq with an xscale processor first appeared. it was not any faster than the 200 mhz ipaq 3630 because software was not optimised for it. it looks like we will have the same kind of wait for the OMAP support
Let's not forget the mini sd card.
Speeds for mini sd are a lot slower than for sd cards.
Not everything falls down to the processor speed.
i heve tt5 on the k-jam and tt5 starts in 9 seconds.
also don't forget if you havr different things enabled in ttt5 it will alter the start speed. eg poi's like speed cams etc.
The initial load time has bugger all to do with the CPU, be it xscale, OMAP or any other flavour. What everybody's forgetting is that you're loading all that data from Flash ROM on the WM 5 devices, not dynamic RAM as on the 2210 and Magician. So there's no wonder it takes 3 times as long. It's simply the price you pay for having non-volatile memory.
wot takes long for me is the tomtom GPS reciever takes ages to find a valid signal..... but apart from that its all good....
Hm, does it take longer on the first time? I have all my maps in my storage card and nothing is happening for like 2 minutes now.
Perhaps it is because I downloaded the maps from a torrent site though.
Still no solution to this ?
I am running a KJam with a Topram brand 2 GB mini-SD memory card and TomTom Version 5.21. Maps are loaded on the memory card. I have no problems loading the smaller maps, Great Britain, US New England, and US Major Roads. However when the US South Central States that is over 80 meg, Tomtom hangs when loading. The only way I can get it to come up is to eject the memory card, then launch Tomtom. Wait for the "I agree" button to appear. Insert the memory card and wait 30 sec to 1 min. Then select the "I agree" button. Once the program is up and loaded it works great.
Is there any way to break up the Tomtom supplied maps that cover multiple states into a state by state map? Especially Texas as it takes over 12 hours to drive across the state it would be fine to change maps when I cross the state line.
Is a Texas map available that works on Version 5.21?
Speeding up TomTom
I found that this will speed up TomTom a bit:
Delete all languages other than your own, in my case I leave the dutch language and deleted all the others:
data00.chk till data14.chk and data16.chk till data28.chk
(data15 is called Eva the Dutch voice I use).
Also remove the vif files having the same numbers as the chk files you removed.
And it will clean up a 41 MB on your sd card
equinenox thats a good tip
Upx compressing of the tom tom.exe will speed up startup as well as save space see here http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=49990&highlight= use the upx ppc link near the bottom of the page.
Overclocking will speed up startup too :wink:
I'm thinking of buying the Prophet but have been told the device is a bit slow. How is the speed of the Prophet in comparison to the Wizard? as i think Wizard runs at a good speed.
Never used a Wizard so I can't do that comparison.
But I can tell you the Prophet is SLOW. IMO, overclocking is absolutely necessary.
I have not used the Wizard either, but had the Jam until I got the M600 and I have to disagree with the previous poster. I use the Jamin for Tomtom and PIM alot, but have only used WMP a bit, however it played movies I encoded for the Jam just fine.
I have found the M600 to be very responsive and not had any speed issues. However if you want to use if for Skype (I don't) then you would come across problems without overclocking. For myself and what I use the M600 for, it is just great.
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@ Nico1970
I do not mean to be rude, buddy, but where did you get the hint from that this is a french speaking forum ?
We all try our best to write in english, despite our nationality. And our knowledge of the english language !
Oh! One last thing: writing CAPITAL LETTERS means screaming...
Happy posting.
I run my prophet at 240MHz and it's much more responsive now than before it was overclocked.
For what you need - and how, search the forum for omapclock and MemMaid.
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I have not used the Wizard either, but had the Jam until I got the M600 and I have to disagree with the previous poster. I use the Jamin for Tomtom and PIM alot, but have only used WMP a bit, however it played movies I encoded for the Jam just fine.
I have found the M600 to be very responsive and not had any speed issues. However if you want to use if for Skype (I don't) then you would come across problems without overclocking. For myself and what I use the M600 for, it is just great.
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Just to be clear, you mean JAMin or JAM. They are different phone. JAMin is a Prophet and JAM is a Magician.
Anyway, I'm using a Charmer now, which is very similar to a Prophet, microprocessor and OS wise. I have no problem running Tomtom, and many other applications. I even tried to encode and played an entire Friends episode on my phone and it works very well.
However, there are some other programs that I find it to be slow. E.g. I tried those NES (or some other) emulator that load the games from ROM files (not the ROM of the phone).
Then, I also find that in normal usage, if I were not to softreset the phone once every 2-3 days, the phone will respond VERY slowly. Which, I'm not sure if that's the WM5 problem or the phone.
Anyway, I've done some benchmarking of the Charmer (same processor as Prophet) with the older Magician, and the result shows that the Charmer is a terrible device as compare to Magician in terms of speed.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=53084&start=100
However, as according to the posts here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=55153&highlight=
It seems that the Chamer has almost twice the duration in terms of battery life as compared to the Magician. So, that is a gain for using slow processor.
It would be good if someone with a Prophet and Wizard to run the same benchmarking. Or someone send me a Wizard to run the benchmark?
Ok, to clarify as I have inadvertantly referenced both the M600 and Jamin. I now have the M600 (same as Jamin) which I run TT on. Also ran TT on my older Jam. Both ran fine and TT startup was actually quicker on my M600 (maybe due to different SD card), but route planning was marginally quicker on the Jam. So far no speed problems with my M600 at all.
Prophet, Charmer and Wizard - since they are all OMAP based devices, can be overclocked using omapclock. I must admit I have not tried running TomTom at the default speed as I installed it since bumping the processor up to 240MHz but as things are it works great.
Hello all.
I have a Cingular branded 8125.
At this time, I have Molski's 3.0.0.0 AKU 3.2 Rom loaded
I have also tried to clock the cpu to 240mhz
It seems the phone does NOT handle multi tasking very well.
The gps works well if you do not ask the phone to do much such as make or take a call. At times even without calls on over the phone while the gps is running. It just starts to crawl very slow, screen re-draws become very slow.
I have tried several GPS applications that run just fine on normal pda's such as the Dell Axim x30-x51v line, these all have 624mhz cpu's.
I have even used these gps applications on the Dell Axim x5 300mhz pda with a Socket Bluetooth cf card without this problem.
My main goal for this phone was to have both, mobile phone with mobile gps
Does anyone have a suggestion on my next move?
I use Bluetooth gps receivers and the software I have now is:
iGuidance 2.1
Dell NavteQ GPS
Belkin GPS "similar as the Dell"
PocketMap Navigator R3 3.12 USA
MS Streets & Trips 2006
Well, try to overclock it.. it really helpd me!
I have also tried to clock the cpu to 240mhz
What speed works for you?
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Well, try to overclock it.. it really helpd me!
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Try a Molski AKU 2.x rom and watch the difference. iGuidance doesn't like AKU 3.x. It's not the GPS unit because the spoken directions kept up with the positioning, it was the graphics that wouldn't move at all or, if they did, once every few minutes. You can use AKU 3.x or you can have working GPS software, your choice. Also, note that iGuidance is now up to 3.0.1.
GPS Software Working With NO Problems!!
I've been using the OnCourse 5 system with a BT-339 SiRF-lll receiver. I usually overclock my 8125 to either 228 or 240 while using the receiver and mapping software. I'm also using Molski's 2.26 30MB ROM.
One other thing I do before firing it up is that I disable all my other Today plugins and reboot -- loading ONLY the navigational software. This seems to free up the resources needed to not only run the GPS, but to also handle phone calls, as well.
However -- YMMV -- depending on how much available memory your phone has otherwise.
Thanks for the input.
Looks like I shall change roms to Molski's 2.26 and give it another try