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HTC Wizard: early photos and specs [ 02:00 ]
Source: http://www.pocketpcitalia.com/
The web site Pocket PC Italia has posted early photos and specs of HTC Wizard communicator, which is positioned to replace HTC Magician(the model known as T-Mobile MD Compact, I-Mate Jam or QTek S100 depending on the operator). The communicator is powered by Windows Mobile 5.0. Its QWERTY-keyboard is pulled out from one side in an unusual manner. Besides HTC Wizard has stereo speakers and a 2.1-megapixel camera with the flash. As this info appeared before the official release, the specs can still be changed.
The specs of HTC Wizard:
* GSM 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
* EDGE
* Processor OMAP 850 by Texas Instruments
* Memory - 128 MB ROM, 64 MB RAM
* Screen – 2.8” TFT, QVGA
* Interface - Mini USB, Bluetooth, Wi-Fi 802.11b and IrDA
* Expansion slot for Mini SD cards
That'll be a shame if it only has a MiniSD hole. I'm sure the 4 & 8GB SD cards will start being available when the Wizard is released. You would have though 128MB too.
Oh well, fingers crossed
Here is the actual link -> http://www.pocketpcitalia.com/cms3/templates/PPC-NEWS.ASP?articleid=2222&zoneid=1
The Processoer seams nice:
http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wt...00&path=templatedata/cm/product/data/omap_850
Hope it also uses the complete 802.11a/b/g Functions and not only b.
The chip has also USB-Host!
Both together with Windows Mobile 5.0 and 128MB Rom would be enough for me to switch from my MDA compact to this baby.
But would prefer it without keyboard...
Not sure about the processor - max speed of 200MHz puts me off.
The IPAQ 6340 has a similar Processor (OMAP1510) also with only 200MHz.
In the OMAP1510 is a ARM925 integrated
In the OMAP850 its a ARM926
Only found this benchmarks:
http://www.ppcreviews.net/news_8130.html
But the OMAP1510 runs only at 168MHz so [email protected] should be a bit faster
XScale MHz != OMAP MHz
XScale MHz != OMAP MHz
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Ti seems to be pushing this mode of thinking, after all the processor has multiple cores dedicated to separate functions.
However in real life situations, OMAP MHz are exactly XScale MHz, look at the benchmarks. You won't be running FPSCE on OMAP any time soon. Just because it has separate cores for DSP doesn't mean that other devices do their radio DSP in software on the main processor, I can't think of one that does. The only special thing that the OMAP can do is parallel video/audio decoding, but then who runs something processor intensive at the same time as watching video? A 400MHz XScale makes a better job of it in S/W, and is not tied to specific codecs; plus many video chipsets/cores offer some form of video helper functions in hardware too (although it seems certain chipset manufacturers don't want developers to use the features )
The only advantage I can see for OMAP is the cost to manufacture, which of course isn't passed on to us consumers...
rough release date
How long do they usually take to release these things after the public find out about them?
Another link
Here's another link I found on the Italian website. This should also be the new HTC phone, but doesn't look exactly as the previous posted link?!? (By the way I don't speak Italian. So can't really understand anything else than HTC and the specs.) :?
http://www.pocketpcitalia.com/anteprima_htc_universal.asp
http://www.pocketpcitalia.com/cms3/templates/PPC-NEWS.ASP?articleid=2221&zoneid=1
thats because they arent the same phone...
The universal was announced a ickle while back
The bottom link is not the universal....That's a different version of this "wizard"
http://www.pocketpcitalia.com/cms3/templates/PPC-NEWS.ASP?articleid=2349&zoneid=1
Name in italy is Qtek 9000
commercialize in italy 20-30 december 2005 (20/12/2005)
T-mobile name is MDA Pro
price in italy is 900 Euro
Sorry for my bad english.
Byez
HTC Wizard - Real Photos
See: http://www.windowsmobile.no/modules...e=article&sid=443&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0
or get a little bit of it in english at Engadget.com
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Re: HTC Wizard - Real Photos
aamp said:
See: http://www.windowsmobile.no/modules...e=article&sid=443&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0
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And take a real good look at my fingers :lol:
Øystein
C'mon - where the transalation!
It's a real pitty Google doesn't have a Norwegian to English converter!
How about a few details Oystein. How does it compare with the Magician and have the buttons been moved to better locations (camera, recorded and 'other' (above the volume slider). I need to know!!!!!!!
C'mon - where the transalation!
It's a real pitty Google doesn't have a Norwegian to English converter!
How about a few details Oystein. How does it compare with the Magician and have the buttons been moved to better locations (camera, recorded and 'other' (above the volume slider). I need to know!!!!!!!
I've been walking around with one in my pocket for a few days, it feels kind of plastic, and the keyboard does not slide out in a nicely straight way, it can easily go crooked.
putting it in your pocket always gets it half slid out.
messing up the auto screen switch between landscape/portrait.
and it feels slow.
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looked inside, it is actually just like the typhoon/sp3 smartphone, same rom layout, and same type of protections.
there is also a smartphone model coming out later this year, that is the same device, but as a smartphone. no touch screen, phone keyboard. 240x320 screen, with wifi.
that, for a smartphone is a really nice device.
willem
9100 is great, little big to carry around, but nice with w-lan and everything else. WM2005, didn´t like it in the beginning but now after 1 week I like it.. as all the other windows-based things u can do whatever u want
But now it´s confirmed, S200 is coming to sweden in the beginning of 2006. The size is like s100, s110 unbeatable......
http://babelfish.altavista.com/babe...obile-review.com/pda/review/htc-prophet.shtml
The problem with S200 is that it uses the same SLOW processor like K-JAM and it only drops the keyboard, adds WiFi 801.1g and a decent 2 MPixel camera. BUT IT IS SLOW! I will go for ETEN M600 with the 400MHz samsung processor instead of the awful 200MHz TI OMAP that S200 will have!
unless i am mistaken, there is no flash on the s200?
I think the point of the slower processor is to improve the functionality of the phone features ie talk time, mp3 time, etc. From other posts and reviews that I've read it doesnt seem to be a huge issue except for real power users. The biggest difference i see between the prophet and wizard is the keyboard and 2mp camera.
In mid 2006 there will be the hermes, a 3g version of the wizard with a 400mhz processor, perhaps worth waiting for!
Mogwai said:
I think the point of the slower processor is to improve the functionality of the phone features ie talk time, mp3 time, etc. From other posts and reviews that I've read it doesnt seem to be a huge issue except for real power users. The biggest difference i see between the prophet and wizard is the keyboard and 2mp camera.
In mid 2006 there will be the hermes, a 3g version of the wizard with a 400mhz processor, perhaps worth waiting for!
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I'll be waiting for the next incarnation of the jam with a faster processor and 3g for Skype. Alternatively the O2 Atom is going to be released in Dec. with 400mhz processor, WiFi, edge, 2 mp camera, front firing stereo speakers and it is smaller than the jam. I think if I didn't already have the Jam I'd be getting the Atom...maybe I will get it anyway
hello, I would like to change my ppc to the wizard. The problem is that I saw there is a different processor on the wizard : TI OMAP 850 200 Mhz. The magician has an Intel XScale Bulverde PXA272 416 MHz!!! Is it a big difference??? Is the wizard slower than the magician?Is it an important quality for the app? Thanks very much
Well, if you believe the benchmarks at the bottom of the wiki...
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Wizard
...then yes, the Wizard sucks performance-wise.
On the other hand, most people who are using one haven't had all that many complaints. I guess try one in a store.
I've heard of some peopel that couldn't even cope with the wizard cuz of its processor.
For me this was a scare whether i should get one or not. But once you try it, its not that bad. Everyone has they're own needs for performance, so the best answer is don't believe what anyone says on these forums, just go grab one and use it for a bit and see if it suits you or not.
Might seem like a stupid question, but does anyone know if it is physically possible to upgrade the Omap CPU with the 400Mhz CPU found in the HTC Tytn?
Does anyone have pictures or technical specs and diagrams of both the Prophet and the HTC Tytn, so this can be investigated or ruled out? Any helpgul feedback will be appreciated.
The two devices have a different pinout which limits the idea from the physical aspect. Each also has a different firmware.
I hope HTC's next product would be an upscale Prophet with strong CPU, UMTS/HDPSA and a 3.3Mp camera. It will be to the TyTn what the Prophet is to the Wizard.
I also didn't find anything lacking in the Prophet compared with TyTn except for the stronger processor (and speaker volume).
Nir
dnts said:
The two devices have a different pinout which limits the idea from the physical aspect. Each also has a different firmware.
I hope HTC's next product would be an upscale Prophet with strong CPU, UMTS/HDPSA and a 3.3Mp camera. It will be to the TyTn what the Prophet is to the Wizard.
I also didn't find anything lacking in the Prophet compared with TyTn except for the stronger processor (and speaker volume).
Nir
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@dnts.
Thanks for clarification. I'll just have to wait to upgrade to the Prophet II.
The upgrade is the Trinity.... with built in gps and A-gps, 3g, umts triband, quadband gsm, 2mp camera and 400mhz omap.
mikewchandler said:
The upgrade is the Trinity.... with built in gps and A-gps, 3g, umts triband, quadband gsm, 2mp camera and 400mhz omap.
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Nice one mikewchandler. I'll look into that. :wink:
400 Mhz Omap Processor? Will it fit in the Prophet?...
mikewchandler said:
The upgrade is the Trinity.... with built in gps and A-gps, 3g, umts triband, quadband gsm, 2mp camera and 400mhz omap.
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Well if there is a 400 Mhz Omap processor, can that be used to replace its little 200 Mhz brother? I quite like my Prophet and don't really want to upgrade to a newer device if this is at all possible. I'll investigate myself and share my findings. :wink:
Looks like we've been misinformed. It's a Samsung processor! Though the Trinity looks very appealing (especially with in-built GPS), I think I prefer the TyTn. See below:
http://www.pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdamaster&posted=1&brand=HTC
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mikewchandler said:
The upgrade is the Trinity.... with built in gps and A-gps, 3g, umts triband, quadband gsm, 2mp camera and 400mhz omap.
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Well if there is a 400 Mhz Omap processor, can that be used to replace its little 200 Mhz brother? I quite like my Prophet and don't really want to upgrade to a newer device if this is at all possible. I'll investigate myself and share my findings. :wink:
Looks like we've been misinformed. It's a Samsung processor! Though the Trinity looks very appealing (especially with in-built GPS), I think I prefer the TyTn. See below:
http://www.pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdamaster&posted=1&brand=HTC
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OK i gave in. Got myself a Vario II today! :lol:
I must say, that this device is like an enhanced Prophet (hard and software wise). Glad I made the switch. :wink:
Is the Cingular 8525 a Hermes?
What is the screen resolution for this device? Is it considered VGA or qVGA.
I would like to know if it is worth the upgrade coming from a Wizard 8125.
Thanks
Love this site BTW
It is 240 x 320, QVGA.
Only 1 advantage point over 8125: 3G ability. Otherwise, there are mess: IR at the bottom(?!), USB charge/audio out combination.
HI
I add to Nghiem message, Hermes processor is 400 MHz and 2.0 MP camera and 8125 is 195 MHz processor and 1.3 MP camera. The speed difference is very important, I was a MDA user
You forgot to mention the camera's macro mode and also not to mention the ATi/AMD imageon chip...but does the chip actually get used properly?
daddy_yankee1980 the Cingular 8525 is a Hermes just relabelled and modified by Cingular (no front facing camera etc) but it is in the Hermes family.
there's another thread in xda about the 8525 having the housing and ribbon connection for the front camera, wish they had kept it. wth were they thinking. along with everything else, the 8525 also has ptt ability, and it's looks way BETTER.
Thanks for all the great info.
Now my next question is, is it a big step up from a 8125. Even with 2MP does it take very good pictures. I know the 400mhz proccessor will make things fly by. But I never know it came with some kind of ATI raedon chip. Is that their line of mobile integrated graphics just like Nvidia is working on. Do you actually see any benefits to this.
daddy_yankee1980 said:
Thanks for all the great info.
Now my next question is, is it a big step up from a 8125. Even with 2MP does it take very good pictures. I know the 400mhz proccessor will make things fly by. But I never know it came with some kind of ATI raedon chip. Is that their line of mobile integrated graphics just like Nvidia is working on. Do you actually see any benefits to this.
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Don't be deceived by the 400 MHz spec. The 8525 uses a different processor than the 8125 (Samsung 2442A instead of the TI OMAP) -- kinda like comparing an Intel Pentium to an IBM PowerPC. It is faster, but only marginally so. I used to be a Wizard owner before I got the Hermes, much prefer the Hermes even though it took a little getting used to.
Another thing to keep in mind is that the Hermes uses a microSD card, not the miniSD card that the Wizard does.
John
Here's a side-by-side comparison (pdadb.net) of Cingular 8125 and 8525.
johnburn said:
Don't be deceived by the 400 MHz spec. The 8525 uses a different processor than the 8125 (Samsung 2442A instead of the TI OMAP) -- kinda like comparing an Intel Pentium to an IBM PowerPC. It is faster, but only marginally so. I used to be a Wizard owner before I got the Hermes, much prefer the Hermes even though it took a little getting used to.
Another thing to keep in mind is that the Hermes uses a microSD card, not the miniSD card that the Wizard does.
John
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Damn, microSD. i heard about that form factor a while back. Is that what the Hermes uses. That means I gotta invest in another memory card. That kind of sucks in a way. Kinda of hesitating a little bit more. Do you know if there are any new devices that are going to be release that are , I guess revolutionary. I just dont like upgrading every year if I dont have to
If you don't mind waiting a bit and spending the money on a new product you can always wait for the HTC Kaiser http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdacomparer
daddy_yankee1980 said:
Is the Cingular 8525 a Hermes?
What is the screen resolution for this device? Is it considered VGA or qVGA.
I would like to know if it is worth the upgrade coming from a Wizard 8125.
Thanks
Love this site BTW
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