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Different build version of O/s on MDA to JasJar

As the title to this post states, the build versions for these two devices are different. Surely a ROM upgrade will not alter the version of the O/S will it?
MDA Pro: Version 5.0 OS 5.1.1700 (Build 14352.0.1.0)
Jasjar:Version 5.0 OS 5.1.1700 (Build 14354.0.1.1)
Could this be the reason for differences in performances as well as potentially different chipsets in these devices?
Some Universals seem to overclock comfortably whilst most don't, fact!
Some Universals display certain other problems (who cares which ones right now), which others don't, fact.
Readocket Hack tops out @ 520Mhz on jasjar but 624Mhz on MDAPro
It's beginning to look like it's very plausible that HTC may have used different components (with the same spec) to build the Universals and it is a fact that we're not all running the version of operating systems.
It's therefore little wonder that we are all getting such conflicting experiences of good and bad scenarios. Correct me if I've misunderstood the facts and am assuming too much here. But if we are not running identical hardware, let alone operating systems, how can there ever be a universal ROM to cure the varying types of Unversal machines?
Can anybody please shed some light on this as my understanding of these issues is limited. :wink:

No Problems on my JasJar
to expand slightly for those who haven't already read this elsewhere...
Without taking screws out and checking chip numbers, my device and mackaby007's are identical in every way (ROM, Radio, Protocol, Build Number) The only possible difference is that I didn't load any of the extended ROM. (not sure if mackaby007 did?)
However, I have no problems and mackaby007 has...one or two:!:
As he says, is there ANY explanation for this? I understand we're both using minimal amounts of software. All I have loaded at the moment is the latest versions/betas of:
Resco Explorer and Radio, TCPMP, Pocket Weather, Pocket Breeze, and at the moment PocketHackMaster. All thoughts appreciated...
Edit: (I forgot I've got a Citrix client installed too...)

Re: No Problems on my JasJar
sub69 said:
to expand slightly for those who haven't already read this elsewhere...
Without taking screws out and checking chip numbers, my device and mackaby007's are identical in every way (ROM, Radio, Protocol, Build Number) The only possible difference is that I didn't load any of the extended ROM. (not sure if mackaby007 did?)
However, I have no problems and mackaby007 has...one or two:!:
As he says, is there ANY explanation for this? I understand we're both using minimal amounts of software. All I have loaded at the moment is the latest versions/betas of:
Resco Explorer and Radio, TCPMP, Pocket Weather, Pocket Breeze, and at the moment PocketHackMaster. All thoughts appreciated...
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Yep done that last night (minimum ROM applications install on hard reset followed by soft-reset befor the useless stuff starts to install). Then I ran the Jasjar with just TCPMP and then with HackMaster2005 installed (only). Yet it still bums out. Any suggestions anyone?

I also concur with mackaby007 and sub69 as my JasJar is now identical to sub69s (Rom revision and no external rom loaded - pushed reset button) however I am still unable to overclock the device to 624mhz in a stable fashion.

My JasJar will clock to 624mhz and will not crash however at that speed the LCD gets the occasional flash vertical line somewhere on the screen.
I put it down to the fact that this machine was designed to run at 520 no more so other components in the board layout use a lesser tollerance than if they were aiming for 624. This could be as simple as resistors capacitors transistors. If youre lucky your lesser tollerance part will be within tollerance of a better part and so will overclock better. Its kinda like blueprinting an engine. you use all standard parts but to the tightest tollerances possible and you can get great power gains, same engine same parts but picked at random produces a production engine with guaranteeable results.
Cya
Stot

Prophet/JAMin versus Atom

Hi,
Did a search and couldn't find exactly the question I have so here goes. I'm looking to buy a phone/PDA unit and am currently stuck between the Prophet/JAMin and the Atom.
Main uses will be standard PDA stuff, however I do a lot of 4WDing and will be installing Oziexplorer mapping software (for offroad use) and perhaps TomTom or Destinator for city/urban use.
I am leaning more towards the JAMin for its fullsize SD card slot (I have a few cards already available), however I am concerned about the speed of the unit when running mapping given its 200Mhz chip compared to the Atoms 416Mhz one.
Anyone out there able to shed some light on this and allay or confirm my concerns? Other than the chip speed and slot size, I don't really see much difference between the specs for the two that would impact me - I can live with either Bluetooth 1.2 oe 2.0 and tri-band will suit as much as quad-band, although the one thing I haven't seen on the spec sheets is that the Atom will playback music files in AAC format whereas the JAMin will. Can anyone confirm this?

Hi!
I don't know much about the Atom, but as a recent switcher from JAM to Qtek S200 I would advise you to made a carefull move.
S200 Omap processor is slow, not by Mhz itself, but a poor performer, specially doing Bluetooth-GPS navigation.
I know it depends on ROM and radio versions, but mine is definitely lagging behind any other machine I had before, HTC machines I mean.
I'd rather stick with Intel processors and even WM 2003 if you are not fully commited to something that only WM5 provides... and I see nothing really.
Too early and poorly implemented the last HTC changes......

Jamin is better in so many ways
1. Atom screen my self-identify as transflective but it is not. Prophet (Jamin) screen is HQ TFT transflective. As result the Atom is almost "blind" outdoors. This is a serious drawback, specifically for SatNav
2. Atom has a 416 MHz CPU but it's integration leaves a lot for improvement. Prophet may be relatively slow 195 MHz (nothing realy disturbing but for demanding games and/or number crunching), but so is Atom, the latter for bad engineering.. Besides, comparing TI OMAP and Intel Bulverde only by numbers is wrong to start with...
3. Prophet on latest AKU2 ROM (all Jamin/Qtek/Dopod) is stable enough, Atom on latest ROM still gives headache, freezes, etc.
4. Prophet Quality of build materials is years better than Atom's.
I had both, had to choose one, finally chosen the Prophet sold the Atom (for what it's worth..)

my opinion about prophet
First of all I must say that I do not have an atom and I did not have a chance to use it.
So far I had XDA, XDA II, XDA IIi, HP ipaq 4150, and a number of GSM phones including Motorola V600 and Nokia 6230i.
I was never happy with PPC phones. There was always a PPC feature that was missing like Wi-Fi or widdcom stack.
Then came XDA IIi. Ever since I saw it on expansys, I waited it like a lover Oh my god, what a disapointment it was. As a PPC it was perfect, simply perfect; but as a phone it was horrible. There was echo on the conversations and camera was the worst I have seen with a 1.3 MP sensor. If you look at i-mate site it is still written under the "known issues" topic that "there is a slight echo reported by users which will be solved soon" :-D
And I gave up using PPC phones. I bought an ipaq h4150 and Nokia 6230i, both which I find the best.
Then after a year, just for curiosity, I bought a prophet.
I changed the ROM to the latest Dopod. I loaded a number of applications and tried to test it. At the very beginning it was very very slow. The starting was taking 2:15 minutes after soft reset and for Resco explorer 5.20 it was taking 13 to 19 seconds to open windows folder (Where all the files wer choosen to be viewed, ie "hide ... files" choice was unchecked). I have loaded and removed a lot of applications; most likely the registry was full of weird keys.
After a week, I hard reset the device and reloaded the applications. Now I am using a number of applications like spb diary, imageer, weather, pocket plus, time, gprs monitor, omega one calculator, Adope 2.0, Agile messenger, Resco explorer and Keyboard, Megasoft2000 Pocket Clock, Lygea 12C; TCPMP and some more and relativeley light applications. It takes 1:35 minutes from soft reset to open and 4 -5 seconds to view windows folder.
I do not use any overclocking or registry tweak to run the device faster.
I find the ppc very acceptable. The phone is very stable. No hang ups or freezing. The camera is very acceptable, not same, but very close to nokia 6230i or Sony K750 camera.
If you plan to have a ppc phone and if you do not want to wait for future products, I reccomend the device.
But I must warn you about one thing: You will see a number of people that are suffering from loosing the GSM signal after they lost it once. This should be very annoying. I don' t have any of the problems that people write here and there. But for some reason there are people that have serious problems like this.
Before finishing, let me take your attention to ipaq 4150. It is, in my opinion, the best PPC that has been designed. The lightest and fastest of all PPCs that has 400 MHz processor and built in Wi-Fi and BT. It also has a very sharp screen and built in widdcom stack. It is also very cheap in ebay. It may be a solution to processor power demanding applications.
These are all I can write.
Cheers.

What about the MIO A701. It has a built in GPS receiver. 8)
You can pre-order at Expansys: http://www.expansys.com.au/product.asp?code=134278

No transflecting TFT
Had an A701 for a while. Having a transmissive TFT LCD (versus Transflective) is a serious handicap for any daylight/outdoor navigation, while this is one of device's main reasons of being.
In principle, I would suggest to avoid transmissive LCD for any use model involving outdoor activity, inclusive of Dailight driving. This technology is older than Transflective (actually was replaced by the latter) and comes back now as a measure of lowering production cost .
To those unfamilliar with the terms, the transflective LCD self reflects any front lighting (including Sun's), while at same time being backlit. This is "enjoying both worlds" and allows near optimal viewing all-arround (indoors/outdoors). Of course it is also expensive. On the opposite side there's Transmissive LCD that usually involves back lighting (exclusively) via a transparent LCD panel. Direct front light practically kills any decent chance to view the screen which becomes (in various levels) a mirror...
There were some discussions on this forum, where some claimed that a certain provider in Europe offers "dimmer" and narrower angle-of-view Prophets, different than generic iMate/Qtek. A quick search here will show screenshots which are pretty clear.
I haven't materially seen this provider's Prophet, but a look on a Mio A701 screen outdoors can easily be self explaining (BTW so is Atom and a whole new line of new devices with "retro" cheeper screens.

Go prophet! Mine loads slowly, 2:25 due to WA2 and WAD, but afterwards is quite snapy. 3 secs for opening win folder! No regrets whatsoever...

OK, my mind is now made up.
After some comments here, and a review of the JAMin against the Atom on another forum (in particular using Oziexplorer which is one thing I specifically want), I am buying the JAMin. Seems much better and faster in many respects, and cheaper, and I can use my full size SD cards.....
Now I just need to find the best deal.

ROM and Radio - ver 1.13 vs 1.12

I am planning to do the Big Storage hack, and I'm just wondering if it's worth it to upgrade the ROM and radio at the same time.
I've read a lot on the wiki and also on the forum, but while there' a lot on how to upgrade, I couldn't find much on the difference / improvement between 1.13 and previous versions.
Right now I have ROM 1.12WWE and Radio 1.12.10. The ROM has been pretty stable for me, and I have no complaint about the radio reception and voice quality neither.
I wonder if there's any significant upgrade or new features on 1.13 ... otherwise I really have no big reason to mess with something that works fine for me.

I recently went through the whole upgrade process.
Updated the rom to 1.13 and left the radio at 1.12, also got the big-storage hack.
I've noticed no improvements due to the rom upgrade. However the big-storage hack is the best thing yet cause you get all the extra space (ofcourse) and it gets rid of all the cusomised junk.
There is a downside to this that eerytime you hard-reset (for whatever reason) you lose all your data since there is no extended rom to read from on the reboot. So I just keep all my cab files zipped on the storage card.

I did the whole upgrade in the end (ROM and radio to 1.13, and big storage hack as well).
I have not noticed ANY improvement since the upgrade to 1.13, both ROM and radio. I do not get better reception (or I don't notice it anyways) and I also don't notice any added feature from ROM1.13, nor does it run any stabler than 1.12.
That said, I don't think it's any worse or any less stable neither ... so for those who's going to do the big storage hack (which you'll have to backup and restore your ROM and go through the whole hard-reset / restore anyways) I'd say it doesn't hurt to upgrade at the same time, just for the sake of "newer version's gotta be better".
For those who're not planning to do the big storage hack, I'd say don't bother. It doesn't provide any noticeable improvement and it's not worth the hassle.
As for the big storage hack, well it isn't exactly what I thought but it isn't bad neither. I thought by doing the big storage hack, I'd free up more space for program memory. Turns out it only gives you more STORAGE space (as its name big STORAGE hack suggests, I guess) but not more program memory, which is what I constantly run low on. And getting more storage memory isn't a biggie for me, because I have a 1GB SD card which I only use ~ 30% of at the moment.
That said, at least having another 20MB of storage space allows me to free up some programs that cannot be installed on the SD card to be installed on the storage space, thus freeing up stroage memory, so that I can tilt the bar to allocate more RAM for program memory.

ROM 1.13 is very stable but no big difference between Radio 1.12 and 1.13. BS is very usefull. I have TT6, WorlMate Pro, SK Tools, Photo Contact and photos, Resco Suite, SPB Pocket Plus, WebIS Pocket Informant, Rings, and Temporay Internet Files all in BS and that leaves me a total of 39.27MB of free RAM. West EU, USA and Canada TT6 Maps are store on a 2GB SD.

I have a question though, I upgraded from ROM 1.11 to 1.13. Now in my old rom, once the phone switched off I could revive it only by pressing the on/off switch but now I can revive it by using any of the phone function keys (dial,disconnect, contacts or calendar). Is this normal?

You must turn on the button block function, on settings.

Yeah I guess another 20MB of memory never hurts ... but I have a 1GB SD card which is only ~ 30% full most of the times ... so I don't really need the extra 20MB. The biggest upside is certain programs will have problem running on memory but is ok (or semi-ok) running on storage memory ... so I'll be able to free up a bit of main memory that way.

How BigStorage helps?
The 20MB may be less but think of SD getting corrup very often. And someone like me depending on data such as SPB Finance and stuff, if SD gets corrupt, all data lost! Biggest nightmare i faced once.
BigStorage space never gets corrupt! and you can use it for stable data. Also for installation of stuffs that takes up lot of space in Main Memory.
For example, pocket music, resco file explorer. If you install Resco FExplorer in BS, you can use it even if you swap memory cards! Make sense?
www.PocketPC-Live.com

Last months ive upgraded my magician to BS. After few times playing around, there are some features that are not available on my magician. What's really bugging me, my bluetooth cannot be turned on. It always says "Turn Off Flight Mode First".
So my questions, after upgraded to BS. Which cab files on ExtRom that is compulsary to be installed.
Sorry for my bad english . Thx.

BT functionality is embedded in the radio rom, so there's no need of additional cab files for it to work.

The BT problem you have is a result of a dumb restriction by the OS where you must turn on radio to turn on BT. But if you get any 3rd party BT toggling appz, you can turn BT on / off independent of the radio.

number16 said:
The BT problem you have is a result of a dumb restriction by the OS where you must turn on radio to turn on BT. But if you get any 3rd party BT toggling appz, you can turn BT on / off independent of the radio.
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Yup. With 3rd party such as Bluesoleil can activate my BT. So i have to use 3rd party appz? and bchs patch for a2dp depends on the original BT appz. That sucks .

Same as Hp 6828

Is atom hardware is same as Hp 6828, on few sites they said it's identical, but i'm not sure what kind of identical is it.
So can we run ROM for Atom into Hp 6828 (Like HTC Universal as: XDA exec, dopod 900 etc)
Thanks in advanced

hardware is identical, but i've not sem people run the rom of one in the other. People have extracted Atom apps (phone pad/dial) and installed them in the 6828 with no problems though.

Hmmm, Thanks for reply...
I think i'll start my experiment on my girlfriend's 6828. (I'm sure she wont complain cause I bought it for her) ;-D

Hope you post the results! I want to do the oposite - Flash HP's ROM into my Atom!

...are you SURE you want O2's ROM on a HP? >_>

u can flash 6828 with atom's rom, but there will be a lot of hardware issues... and believe me, u'll regret it..

A bit OT, but I have question about 6828. Is there any possibility to connect any USB device to it? I consider USB HDD 2,5". Please help.

bikekowal said:
A bit OT, but I have question about 6828. Is there any possibility to connect any USB device to it? I consider USB HDD 2,5". Please help.
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nope, but there are ways to connect the miniSD card on your Atom to a PC as a Flash Drive.

Yeah, you need a feature called "USB Host". PPCs that have them are RARE, and unfortunately, the Atom doesn't have it, and O2/HP isn't known for supporting this feature.

So have you tried the flashing?
Please post results. I belive that if they are hardware identical it wont be a poroblem to flash it! Like I have flashed my old MDA compact with Qtek S100's flash!
I want to try the HP rom on my Atom mainly for the new camera software(they say it's better than the Atom's one)

In my honest opinion, I dont know why you would want to flash the HP to O2. The o2 rom is heavier and the features hardly used (unless of course you subscribe to o2's services)
I seriously think you are better off with the HP rom.
it's lighter faster and more reliable.
have you upgraded to the new 1.01 rom from HP?
Try that instead.
rohseq

HP 6280
Can we run ROM for Atom Prophet_220734_2207114_024721(AKU2.3)
into Hp 6828
Thanks

Maybe not so ultimate a chicken??
Ultimate Chicken said:
...are you SURE you want O2's ROM on a HP? >_>
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I see you're running :
==Currently Using:==
O2 Xda Atom Not-Quite-The-Executive
CMOS: 55.44
BRD: C1
ROM: 20060721B1WWE
RDO: R060822N_MN2ARC_RS00013
EXT : EX0033
Does that work well on a std Atom?
Is there any benefit compared to version 20060414B1WWE?
Have you tried installing later exec ROM's too (think there was a later radio ROM from September 2006)?
If so, did it work?

Well, after doing this, I didn't dare to flash with any later ROMs. Why?
Because the ROM is hacked to OUTRIGHT LIE. As in, an ordinary Atom only has 128MB of internal RAM, but the ROM makes it say 192MB. Yes, 192MB. Because of this, I dare not flash with later ROMs. No telling what an unhacked , pure ROM might do to an ordinary Atom. (Yes, the ROM was supposedly HACKED to work on the Atom, by using the Atom Radio Rom 0822 in place of the Atom Exec stack. I think if we tried to use an AE pure ROM, we'd get a missing radio ROM later, since it uses different radio hardware.)
I only flashed to this one because I was having trouble with 20060414B1WWE battery life and drain. Noticed very little change (an extra hour or so after conditioning, battery doesn't drain as often - eventually replaced the original, which turned out to have 2 of its cells non-functional), although some here said this made the O2's default battery last MUCH longer. Others also reported screen flicker after flashing - which disappears in a matter of hours or only happens periodically, but I noticed no such issues.
Also, note that if you flash to the hacked ROM, it's harder to go back to the original if you have problems - since the new bootloader will not allow you to flash straight from it anymore.
The camera application is more stable when attempting to save to memory, and the phone reception is slightly better - but flashing to the hacked ROM is not recommended. There is little benefit far as I can see - even if the ROM is stable and my PPC still works the same - and the risk is rather high.
You can search this forum for the old threads when that ROM first came out. They should tell you what you need to know, and are answered by people with more experience than I have.

Prophet --> Charmer, similarities? intriguing find..

hey all
I recently got my charmer back from HTC, it was refusing to read memory cards. in the slip that came back with it, it stated that they had replaced the mainboard.
i promptly proceeded to open the device up (without voiding the warranty of course! ) and went and lifted up one of the 'RF plates' that is on the mainboard, found that, underneath that board, as with the previous (broken mainboard that i had before that wouldnt read memory cards) under that exact same RF shield was empty solder points.
now, i've noticed that the specs otherwise of the prophet and charmer are more or less IDENTICAL.
BOTH use the Omap 850 Processor
BOTH have 128/64 ROM/RAM
BOTH have same dimensions of 108 x 58 x 18 mm (HxWxD)
BOTH use same same 240x320 64k colour screen
differences are:
Prophet has WI-FI, Charmer does NOT
Prophethas 2.0mp camera, Charmer has 1.3
Prophet is available in G4 and G3 'flavours', Charmer has 'one type for all'
the reason for this thread is the following: I would like to obtain/install an AKU 3.x update for my Charmer as I have noticed considerable differences between AKU 2.0 and AKU 3.x on a different handset. mainly in that AKU 3.x looks considerably better, performs considerably better and is just generally a lot better than AKU 2.0.
my *theory* is: if i was to download a copy of the AKU 3.3.07 ASERG ROM update for the Prophet, REMOVE the bootloader section of the ROM update, and either:
1) Replace the bootloader with that from a Charmer ROM
2) ONLY flash the OS partition of the ROM
and then proceeded to flash the modified update to my Charmer, all i would like to know (and this is really a question to the Pro's)
would it
a) work, and be really really buggy like camera not working and stuff, or,
b) brick my device?
ANY help on this is appreciated. i would really like to get under development some sort of an AKU3.x update for the charmer. it is hideously under-developed! its a great little handset and a shame no other carriers carry the handset!
any and all help/advice would be greatly appreciated.and also, im learning! so dont be too harsh!
thank you.

AS you can see, Wizard ROMs seem to work on prophet, you can see this as the WM6 ones are derivate from Wizard's, Wizard also shares it's processor and many other stuff with prophet, but I don't know if this applies to charmer, you'll have to check mem addresses and other stuff... I'm quite sure you'll have to replace the camera driver and have to manage a way to disable the Wifi part of the rom somehow... Î just don't know how you'll manage to do that...
I don't think you'll brick your device as long as you don't install the bootloader part (IPL/SPL)