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Pocket Hack tops out @ 520Mhz on jasjar but 624Mhz on MDAPro

galt: thanks for all your help. As I said, I applied Pocket Hack Master 2005 to both my Jasjar (with the latest ROM) and to my wifes' MDA Pro, but with totally different results.
1) My Jasjar struggled to pass the test to overclock to 624Mhz, but did eventually. Once achieved, it would lock up within seconds and had to be soft-reset and clocked back to 520Mhz where its pretty content and somewhat an improvement on the Jasjar without HackMaster!
In contrast:
2) My wifes MDA Pro, passed the 624Mhz stress test 1st time and rockets along comfortably all day, with no probs.
I can't help but wonder if us Jasjar owners may have a software problem with our Roms, unless another Jasjar owner had the exact same positive response that the MDA had.
*Point of interest: Although the MDA overclocks and runs happily at 624Mhz (haven't tried beyond - have only used safe settings) both the Jasjar @ 520Mhz and the Pro @624Mhz are pretty indistinguishable in performance. I'm talking about refresh rates, access to or loading times of programs and video playback @ 640x480 resolution.
Feedback appreciated guys.

My Jasjar seems to run ok at 624. Tried the test 5 times and ran for several days without issues. Not much difference noticed, except pocket informant seems to run better and faster.

hi mackaby007,
can you please post the rom, radio and external rom version information from your wifes mda pro.
i think that this may be a rom issue - need to clarify
thanks

Hi quazzi76. here you are.
MDA PRO Jasjar
ROM version:-------1.12.42 WWE ROM version:------1.13.53 WWE
ROM date:-----------08/23/05 ROM date:----------09/23/05
Radio version:------1.00.02 Radio version:-----1.03.01
Protocol version:---42.33.P8 Protocol version:---42.36.P8
ExtROM version:-1.12.126 WWE ExtROM version:---1.13.137 WWE

sorry. that went a bit skewiff!
MDA PRO
ROM version: 1.12.42 WWE
ROM date: 08/23/05
Radio version: 1.00.02
Protocol version: 42.33.P8
ExtROM version: 1.12.126 WWE
Jasjar
ROM version: 1.13.53 WWE
ROM date: 09/23/05
Radio version: 1.03.01
Protocol version: 42.36.P8
ExtROM version: 1.13.137 WWE

sorry. that went a bit skewiff!
MDA PRO
ROM version: 1.12.42 WWE
ROM date: 08/23/05
Radio version: 1.00.02
Protocol version: 42.33.P8
ExtROM version: 1.12.126 WWE
Jasjar
ROM version: 1.13.53 WWE
ROM date: 09/23/05
Radio version: 1.03.01
Protocol version: 42.36.P8
ExtROM version: 1.13.137 WWE

Ok, I've done the overclocking to 624Mhz and it seems to be running well. (only been half an hour since I did it though!)
Everything is working well. Can't say I've noticed a massive difference in performance although my Citrix client seems to be running a little smoother. Even the camera seems to be working well (and that's usually the first thing that's gone wrong when I've tried overclocking on previous devices!)
God knows how the battery will be affected, but we'll see...
My details are as follows:
Jasjar
ROM version: 1.13.53 WWE
ROM date: 09/23/05
Radio version: 1.03.01
Protocol version: 42.36.P8
ExtROM version:
(I hit the soft reset button before the ExtROM loaded...)

Your keeping me up now sub69!
Tell me, if you would, as you seem to have the same ROM version as myself and also a jasjar, wouldn't you agree that it is probably some 3rd party software I've got installed on mine that is causing the problem? Or you have something on yours which is helping yours!
Mine is almost down to a skeleton Jasjar! I've only really got Spb 3.0.1 left installed accompanied by hackmaster & TCPMP (obviously) and Resco Radio. That's it! any ideas? My wifes Pro has the same software installed, as I mentioned earlier and she too flies along at 624Mhz.

I had SPB Pocket Plus installed for a while too. I did a hard reset a couple of days ago, and left that out when I re-installed everything (because I was only really using it for the 'proper 'X' button function) and my JasJar seems to be running a lot smoother now.
I'd hate to place the blame on one piece of software, especially as I love the idea of Pocket Plus, but I really think I'll be waiting a while until they release a WM5-specific version from now on. I know I'm not the only one who thinks it slows down my JasJar (can't remember if it was this particular forum where I heard that though)
(Oh, and I should be asleep by now too!)

mackaby007: Sorry about going a little offtopic, but since you have access to both devices, which one do you like the most? MDA PRO or JasJar? And what are the reasons? Just curious

thanks mackaby007,
i've got to concur with the general consensus.
i'm beginning to feel that there might be a third party app that causes the jasjar to crash when you try to overclock it to 624mhz.
i dont need any of the software in the external rom so i intend to hard reset my jasjar and do a soft reset before the external rom loads like Sub69.
then i'm going to install phm 2005 and see if it overclocks to 624mhz and remains at that speed without crashing/freezing up.

on my JASJAR:
I pass the tests several times at 624mhz, all succeded.
But asap I switch to 624 I get it crashed.
Best Regards
Rosario
P.S.
the only software loaded on background is MS voice command

Time for a Hard Reset!
Hi guys. Thanks for your feedback, it all helps!
Sl9: I for some raeson still prefer the Jasjar! I can't put my finger on it, but it's probably that you can install newer ROMs and stuff like that from i-mate, without voiding warranty. I have also come to like the colour. The silver MDA Pro is nice to look at and everything, but the jasjar is somewhat discreet when i pull it out in public and I don't like to advertise what I'm carrying around with me. Just my preference I suppose.
Sub69 & qazzi76:
Ok I'm going to try a hard reset witha soft reset right now and try re-installing only Hackmaster and TCMP thingy. I'll let you know.
And sub69, I must say I concur with your decision to hold back anything not written for WM5.0. It looks like that obvious thing we all knew about in the beginning has come back to the forefront of our discussions and problems. If it isn't WM5.0 specific, then it isn't truly compatible, even if it does appear to work! :wink:

Hard reset soft reset, I need my head reset!
Memory Configurations after hard + soft reset just as backgammon tried to install (Time now 23:40) :
Storage
Total: 43.72 MB
In Use: 4.22 MB
Free: 39.50 MB
Program
Total: 50.16 MB
In use: 20.79 MB
Free: 29.37 MB
Space available at point of installing pocket hack Master: 40448 KB (installed to device)!
Run HackMaster and go stright to speed config util and select 416, 520 & 624 MHz settings then test!
All Passed! Then click close and evrything locks up!
Soft reset!! Time Now 23:56
Go straight in to PHM2005 and under scal config, select all 3 passd speed settings and click close/exit.
Then I minimise the app 8 through the PMH icon in taskbar, select 520MHz setting and go check my memory amongst testing speed performance (feel of browsing the O/S). All's well!
Memory util reads:
Storage
Total: 43.72 MB
In Use: 4.71 MB
Free: 39.01 MB
Program
Total: 50.16 MB
In use: 20.13 MB
Free: 30.03 MB (What?)
Check Running Programs: pocket hack master 2005 (only!)
Anyway....go back to PHM and select 624Mhz setting, done!
Click on start menu then settings and voila the MotherF....er locks up again! Needs a reset again! I haven't even gotten around to installing Activesync and TCMP yet to try videos!
Any suggestions guys, other than giving up? Well at least i have more program and storage on the jasjar now, but my issue with o/c to 624Mhz remains unresolved. i'll post this now. Time: 00:10
I'll be up a little while yet, but will probably check back tomorrow. Cheers for the tips anyhow, guess I'm just 'bad lucked'.

Hi mackaby007,
I'm sorry to hear that - very dissapointed in fact - i wonder whats causing it to lock up like that...

I wonder if this issue can be tied to the Rom revisions the devices ship with
It's quite possible that this is a ROM issue...
Another strange factor is the your wife's mda pro has an older rom revision than both of our JasJars (Radio Stack, ROM, External Rom, Protocol version)
This is admittedly highly frustrating...

qazzi76 said:
I wonder if this issue can be tied to the Rom revisions the devices ship with
It's quite possible that this is a ROM issue...
Another strange factor is the your wife's mda pro has an older rom revision than both of our JasJars (Radio Stack, ROM, External Rom, Protocol version)
This is admittedly highly frustrating...
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Tell me about it! Well such is life. Funny thing though, is that sub69 also has a jasjar and same ROM (i think - Ext ROM details never confirmed due to soft reset at the time) and he seems to be flying along at 624 MHz! Confusing more like! Will let you all know if and when developments take place. Night all.

This could simply be due to different chip batches.
I beta tested PHM2004 before its release on my O2XdaII and managed to get as high as 1658MHz (stable too), the next speed up caused a hard reset.
I currently scale to a max. of 592MHz (which is L=40, M=2, N=1 for those in the know) and have no stability issues at all, whereas a number of colleagues who had identical devices & ROMs (at the time) were unable to use the L=40 setting, having to limit themselves to 528MHz (L=36) as the best performing CPU speed.
According to Anton, the L=40 setting was generally considered unstable for my device which is why I have to choose the Ultra Fast RAM settings rather than going for the PHM defaults. It appears that I'm just lucky and my device has better spec. RAM than most and which tolerates the higher speeds - the same could be true for your devices, one could simply have higher grade RAM (or whatever) than the other.

mtbsoft said:
This could simply be due to different chip batches.
I beta tested PHM2004 before its release on my O2XdaII and managed to get as high as 1658MHz (stable too), the next speed up caused a hard reset.
I currently scale to a max. of 592MHz (which is L=40, M=2, N=1 for those in the know) and have no stability issues at all, whereas a number of colleagues who had identical devices & ROMs (at the time) were unable to use the L=40 setting, having to limit themselves to 528MHz (L=36) as the best performing CPU speed.
According to Anton, the L=40 setting was generally considered unstable for my device which is why I have to choose the Ultra Fast RAM settings rather than going for the PHM defaults. It appears that I'm just lucky and my device has better spec. RAM than most and which tolerates the higher speeds - the same could be true for your devices, one could simply have higher grade RAM (or whatever) than the other.
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1658MHz (stable too)!!! Flippin 'eck!!
Interesting comments about the different chipsets, that seems like a plausible scenario, given my circumstances and the unexplained differences between supposedly sames specced hardware and same ROMs.

mackaby007 said:
1658MHz (stable too)!!! Flippin 'eck!!
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That would be the polite translation of what I said!
The more interesting part (though expected to some degree) was that this delivered far worse performance than many of the lower speeds, since it required the N multiplier to be at 0.5x which bottle-necked the whole device. Still, it's nice to have been there!

Prophet/JAMin versus Atom

Hi,
Did a search and couldn't find exactly the question I have so here goes. I'm looking to buy a phone/PDA unit and am currently stuck between the Prophet/JAMin and the Atom.
Main uses will be standard PDA stuff, however I do a lot of 4WDing and will be installing Oziexplorer mapping software (for offroad use) and perhaps TomTom or Destinator for city/urban use.
I am leaning more towards the JAMin for its fullsize SD card slot (I have a few cards already available), however I am concerned about the speed of the unit when running mapping given its 200Mhz chip compared to the Atoms 416Mhz one.
Anyone out there able to shed some light on this and allay or confirm my concerns? Other than the chip speed and slot size, I don't really see much difference between the specs for the two that would impact me - I can live with either Bluetooth 1.2 oe 2.0 and tri-band will suit as much as quad-band, although the one thing I haven't seen on the spec sheets is that the Atom will playback music files in AAC format whereas the JAMin will. Can anyone confirm this?

Hi!
I don't know much about the Atom, but as a recent switcher from JAM to Qtek S200 I would advise you to made a carefull move.
S200 Omap processor is slow, not by Mhz itself, but a poor performer, specially doing Bluetooth-GPS navigation.
I know it depends on ROM and radio versions, but mine is definitely lagging behind any other machine I had before, HTC machines I mean.
I'd rather stick with Intel processors and even WM 2003 if you are not fully commited to something that only WM5 provides... and I see nothing really.
Too early and poorly implemented the last HTC changes......

Jamin is better in so many ways
1. Atom screen my self-identify as transflective but it is not. Prophet (Jamin) screen is HQ TFT transflective. As result the Atom is almost "blind" outdoors. This is a serious drawback, specifically for SatNav
2. Atom has a 416 MHz CPU but it's integration leaves a lot for improvement. Prophet may be relatively slow 195 MHz (nothing realy disturbing but for demanding games and/or number crunching), but so is Atom, the latter for bad engineering.. Besides, comparing TI OMAP and Intel Bulverde only by numbers is wrong to start with...
3. Prophet on latest AKU2 ROM (all Jamin/Qtek/Dopod) is stable enough, Atom on latest ROM still gives headache, freezes, etc.
4. Prophet Quality of build materials is years better than Atom's.
I had both, had to choose one, finally chosen the Prophet sold the Atom (for what it's worth..)

my opinion about prophet
First of all I must say that I do not have an atom and I did not have a chance to use it.
So far I had XDA, XDA II, XDA IIi, HP ipaq 4150, and a number of GSM phones including Motorola V600 and Nokia 6230i.
I was never happy with PPC phones. There was always a PPC feature that was missing like Wi-Fi or widdcom stack.
Then came XDA IIi. Ever since I saw it on expansys, I waited it like a lover Oh my god, what a disapointment it was. As a PPC it was perfect, simply perfect; but as a phone it was horrible. There was echo on the conversations and camera was the worst I have seen with a 1.3 MP sensor. If you look at i-mate site it is still written under the "known issues" topic that "there is a slight echo reported by users which will be solved soon" :-D
And I gave up using PPC phones. I bought an ipaq h4150 and Nokia 6230i, both which I find the best.
Then after a year, just for curiosity, I bought a prophet.
I changed the ROM to the latest Dopod. I loaded a number of applications and tried to test it. At the very beginning it was very very slow. The starting was taking 2:15 minutes after soft reset and for Resco explorer 5.20 it was taking 13 to 19 seconds to open windows folder (Where all the files wer choosen to be viewed, ie "hide ... files" choice was unchecked). I have loaded and removed a lot of applications; most likely the registry was full of weird keys.
After a week, I hard reset the device and reloaded the applications. Now I am using a number of applications like spb diary, imageer, weather, pocket plus, time, gprs monitor, omega one calculator, Adope 2.0, Agile messenger, Resco explorer and Keyboard, Megasoft2000 Pocket Clock, Lygea 12C; TCPMP and some more and relativeley light applications. It takes 1:35 minutes from soft reset to open and 4 -5 seconds to view windows folder.
I do not use any overclocking or registry tweak to run the device faster.
I find the ppc very acceptable. The phone is very stable. No hang ups or freezing. The camera is very acceptable, not same, but very close to nokia 6230i or Sony K750 camera.
If you plan to have a ppc phone and if you do not want to wait for future products, I reccomend the device.
But I must warn you about one thing: You will see a number of people that are suffering from loosing the GSM signal after they lost it once. This should be very annoying. I don' t have any of the problems that people write here and there. But for some reason there are people that have serious problems like this.
Before finishing, let me take your attention to ipaq 4150. It is, in my opinion, the best PPC that has been designed. The lightest and fastest of all PPCs that has 400 MHz processor and built in Wi-Fi and BT. It also has a very sharp screen and built in widdcom stack. It is also very cheap in ebay. It may be a solution to processor power demanding applications.
These are all I can write.
Cheers.

What about the MIO A701. It has a built in GPS receiver. 8)
You can pre-order at Expansys: http://www.expansys.com.au/product.asp?code=134278

No transflecting TFT
Had an A701 for a while. Having a transmissive TFT LCD (versus Transflective) is a serious handicap for any daylight/outdoor navigation, while this is one of device's main reasons of being.
In principle, I would suggest to avoid transmissive LCD for any use model involving outdoor activity, inclusive of Dailight driving. This technology is older than Transflective (actually was replaced by the latter) and comes back now as a measure of lowering production cost .
To those unfamilliar with the terms, the transflective LCD self reflects any front lighting (including Sun's), while at same time being backlit. This is "enjoying both worlds" and allows near optimal viewing all-arround (indoors/outdoors). Of course it is also expensive. On the opposite side there's Transmissive LCD that usually involves back lighting (exclusively) via a transparent LCD panel. Direct front light practically kills any decent chance to view the screen which becomes (in various levels) a mirror...
There were some discussions on this forum, where some claimed that a certain provider in Europe offers "dimmer" and narrower angle-of-view Prophets, different than generic iMate/Qtek. A quick search here will show screenshots which are pretty clear.
I haven't materially seen this provider's Prophet, but a look on a Mio A701 screen outdoors can easily be self explaining (BTW so is Atom and a whole new line of new devices with "retro" cheeper screens.

Go prophet! Mine loads slowly, 2:25 due to WA2 and WAD, but afterwards is quite snapy. 3 secs for opening win folder! No regrets whatsoever...

OK, my mind is now made up.
After some comments here, and a review of the JAMin against the Atom on another forum (in particular using Oziexplorer which is one thing I specifically want), I am buying the JAMin. Seems much better and faster in many respects, and cheaper, and I can use my full size SD cards.....
Now I just need to find the best deal.

Prophet --> Charmer, similarities? intriguing find..

hey all
I recently got my charmer back from HTC, it was refusing to read memory cards. in the slip that came back with it, it stated that they had replaced the mainboard.
i promptly proceeded to open the device up (without voiding the warranty of course! ) and went and lifted up one of the 'RF plates' that is on the mainboard, found that, underneath that board, as with the previous (broken mainboard that i had before that wouldnt read memory cards) under that exact same RF shield was empty solder points.
now, i've noticed that the specs otherwise of the prophet and charmer are more or less IDENTICAL.
BOTH use the Omap 850 Processor
BOTH have 128/64 ROM/RAM
BOTH have same dimensions of 108 x 58 x 18 mm (HxWxD)
BOTH use same same 240x320 64k colour screen
differences are:
Prophet has WI-FI, Charmer does NOT
Prophethas 2.0mp camera, Charmer has 1.3
Prophet is available in G4 and G3 'flavours', Charmer has 'one type for all'
the reason for this thread is the following: I would like to obtain/install an AKU 3.x update for my Charmer as I have noticed considerable differences between AKU 2.0 and AKU 3.x on a different handset. mainly in that AKU 3.x looks considerably better, performs considerably better and is just generally a lot better than AKU 2.0.
my *theory* is: if i was to download a copy of the AKU 3.3.07 ASERG ROM update for the Prophet, REMOVE the bootloader section of the ROM update, and either:
1) Replace the bootloader with that from a Charmer ROM
2) ONLY flash the OS partition of the ROM
and then proceeded to flash the modified update to my Charmer, all i would like to know (and this is really a question to the Pro's)
would it
a) work, and be really really buggy like camera not working and stuff, or,
b) brick my device?
ANY help on this is appreciated. i would really like to get under development some sort of an AKU3.x update for the charmer. it is hideously under-developed! its a great little handset and a shame no other carriers carry the handset!
any and all help/advice would be greatly appreciated.and also, im learning! so dont be too harsh!
thank you.

AS you can see, Wizard ROMs seem to work on prophet, you can see this as the WM6 ones are derivate from Wizard's, Wizard also shares it's processor and many other stuff with prophet, but I don't know if this applies to charmer, you'll have to check mem addresses and other stuff... I'm quite sure you'll have to replace the camera driver and have to manage a way to disable the Wifi part of the rom somehow... Î just don't know how you'll manage to do that...
I don't think you'll brick your device as long as you don't install the bootloader part (IPL/SPL)

what's the most suitable WM6.1 ROM for me? ^ ^

hi guys, I bought a BA recently, & I found this forum, HEAVEN!!!
I:
-play a lot of mp3 through earphone, TCPMP is my only player
-run on 3600mAh battery, battery life is my life
-play video clip @ <500kbps occasionally
-share file with other devices & active sync through BT
-do simple phone operations like sms & calling only, not using BT headset or what
-want stability
or which rom has least problem (& what are they?) apart from being free from any problems related to the above?
thanks for any possible guidance

generally, our WM6.0 or 6.1 is designed for latest handheld with vga screen, higher speed, better hardware so each ROM has its own characteristics... you should do trial and error... practices make perfect bro...
cheers
evo
PS:dont worry of making mistakes.. all the information that you need is here.. happy upgrading

I'm pretty new to BA like you are. What I've learned so far is that you need to try each ROM yourself and see how your device responds to it. I'm guessing that these BAs are like any other piece of computer hardware. You can have 5 devices all exactly alike and get 8 different responses as to which works best.
Some units have problems with Wifi depending on which ROM you use. That's been my biggest issue is trying to find a ROM that'll let me use Wifi without too many headaches. I've had mine for like a month or so now and I'm still flipping ROMs to compare.
Swampy just came out with a new one which I need to try, and Sundream mentioned he'll have a new one soon too. Xplode said he would a while back, but I'm still waiting on that one as well.
Unfortunately there isn't a sticky with a list of ROMs that list each person and their latest ROM. That would be incredibly handy and help clean up the forums a bit I'd think.

[Q] Changing ROM of a China Phone

Hey,
I've got an MF68 / IP800 (It got so many names that I prefer to call it "Horza", sounds pro - There will be a picture of it on the bottom of this post) and it came with a Windows Mobile 6.5 Professional - CE 5.2.23090 (Comp. 23090.5.3.0) - Yup, it ain't a rip-off windows. It's a rather good phone, with a slow-but-does-whatever-I-throw-at-it processor "HUAWEI HiSilicon K3", running at 360MHz (I've seen versions running at 460, if anyone knows how to overclock it, it would be welcome), 128MB RAM and 256MB ROM; all those controlled by a 240x400 3" resistive screen. Not a lamborghini but does the job well done.
Anyhoo, I want to change the ROM. Somehow it limits my volume to 63%. It might be good for my ears, but it's a real pain when I connect it to an external speaker. Also, there's a few ROM's possessing some sleek features that I'd love to use. But there's three problems:
1 - It's a dual-SIM phone (the actual ROM seems to be adapted, or something, for this - due to the poor, china-style, translation in the Dual-SIM Setup area)
2 - It's a china phone, thus I don't know what I'm supposed to do or if it's able to
3 - I only have the original USB Cable. Will it work or I need some sort of special cable?
So, what should I do? Will it be able to update? Which programs should I get?
Thanks for the attention and I'm awaiting for an answer
Sincerely,
GTMoraes

well if you say that its a legit windows mobile device then you should be able to have themes for it however, some things like hardware issues are going to get in your way.
1. Dual-SIM
2. Screen Resolution (not anytheme will work)
3. Thats all i can think of...
4. Will think of other stuff and come back to you

Yup, I can use some themes for my WM, I've got tired of the Titanium style and ATM I'm using the SPB Shell, works like a charm.
The actual O.S. works fine, but it's limiting the volume to 63% (according to 40iPlay and proved through external speakers). I've googled around and it looks like an European or something limitation, removeable only with a new ROM - so here am I.
Is there any program that I should run to see if my phone is compatible with ROM updating?
Thanks for you answer and I'm awaiting for new ones
P.S.: Anything related to the Samsung i900 works flawlessly on the Horza. So does the HTC gSensor

I have a China LEO 8585 and have yet to find a custom rom myself.. sorry bud.