Thought I would share this with you all, I know how I feel, how about you?
I have been bought an O2 exec on contract via O2 online as an Xmas present. The exec is an advanced device and many things can go wrong that may require it being returned for replacement. It would be difficult for someone without some technical knowledge to give an exec a decent test and ensure everything, BT, Wifi, 3G, SMS, Video, Camera, MP3 etc etc is working correctly. So I contact O2 and request nicely that they confirm my warranty does not start until the 25th Dec. My exec has arrived, I have not even seen the box yet, my wife has already wrapped it ready to place under the tree in a couple of weeks ready for me to open Christmas morning. I could have and still could open it up and test it to make sure I am happy everything is okay but I don't want to! I am so looking forward to opening and holding my exec for the first time on Christmas morning. I understand that if it did turn out to have a fault I would have to wait until I could get to an O2 shop to get it replaced, thats fine. However O2 have stated in there email to me, copy below, that they will not delay my warranty until the 25th and that it will expire while it is still unopened and unused. I am disgusted!
Dear Simon,
Thank you for contacting O2 Customer Service.
I am sorry for any inconvenience that may have been caused. The 28 day exchange
period for your O2 XDA Exec will end on 18 December 2005. We will not be able to
extend the exchange period for your phone.
If your phone is faulty, you will need to contact us before 19 December 2005.
We wish you a Merry Christmas and a very Happy New Year.
If you need further information about this matter, please reply to this email.
For further details about O2, please visit our online Help Centre at:
http://www.o2.co.uk/help
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Can I have your comments please guys, I would like to forward this topic to them!
Thanks, Simon
Why didn't you bought it at the beginning of Decebmer. this way you could've returned it at the beginning of 2006.
Good luck and go enjoy your toy !
Because O2 were offering a "Today Only" discounted price on the day it was purchased.
@gooroo, so wanted to save money and you want special treatment? I'm not sure it is reasonable to have both!
My 2 cents
Your warranty will not have run out. Your right to an instant replacement will have run out. If the device is faulty it will still be repaired. But you might be without it for a month.
Expecting O2 to extend the 28day period on your say-so is unrealistic at best. Its not the way the world works (and never will be!).
If they allowed it for you, then everyone would be doing it to get an extra month or so added to the 28 days. They only have your say-so that you aint gonna open the device until December! If I was in customer support and a customer said this to me I would be skeptical to say the least!
If you are worried, and dont want to open it then I would send it back towards the end of the 28 days, say its faulty, and get a replacement. The replacement will have a renewed 28days on it from what I can gather.
Nigel
To be honest, you could have asked them in advance about this.
You cant change terms of contract willy nilly after the purchase. And chances are that the return/repair terms are tied into O2s contract with HTC.
Besides, theres still the 1 year warranty in case its faulty....
I did not think this was special treatment. It is common practice for shops to allow customers to bring faulty items back for replacement after christmas. How would O2 suffer from agreeing to my request, If the unit works fine they have nothing to fear do they? I have not asked for my contract not to start until the 25th I have not asked for my 1 year manufactuer warranty to start until the 25th. The sim card will not be activated until the 25th. I just feel that in this season of good will to all that this is no way to treat your customers, instead O2 customer services should be shouting from the roof tops that all phones bought for christmas can be replace if discovered to be faulty within 14days of christmas. I really thought I was being hard done by, but now I am starting to feel like I am being the pain in the arse.
@gooroo, look just open it and play with it for a few days and make sure all is well. Then seal again and it will be even more fun to wait until 25 Dec, a bit like foreplay
And you'll the reassurance that on 25th your device will be perfect and no disappointment
Are you for real ?
I am disgusted!
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Personally, I'm disgusted that you think your so self important that you believe a company should bend over backwards to accomodate your individual Christmas gift requirements.
Imagine if everybody took this stance and ordered electrical items or whatever, but asked for their Warranty to start at a given date because it suited them ?
No offense intended, i'm just kind of surprised anyone would be "disgusted" and "angry" at a service that is quite honest and open about having a fixed 28 day warranty period. :roll:
@gaspx, its not just a given date, its the date at which retailers make a huge amount of profit from us their customers every year!
As for being sceptical, its not like they would not be able to check if I had used it before hand, as soon as I register the sim their network would know.
Anyway, I guess I am being over the top. I am sure it will be fine anyway looking at all the reports on here from people saying, buggy, slow, crashes, not working etc etc. Perhaps I would not be so concerned if we were not expected to beta test their stuff in the first place!
Regards, Simon
i feel that the company did nothing wrong. you already got it at a special price and if you want to have standards for yourself (not opening presents till xmas day itself), you expect others to follow suit.
As has been said previously...the 28day is a right to return the phone as a change-of-mind option only. The warranty will not end after that period - if the phone has a fault when you start using it, you can send it back for a replacement.
Ant
Sorry guys, look I must really have got this badly wrong. My mistake, I really thought you would all take my side and just think O2 were being mean. I dont earn alot of money, it takes some saving before we can afford to buy something like the exec. Like buzz says, I have a family to feed and this is the one time each year that I can choose to have a little luxury. It's not like I am being strange wanting to wait until Christmas before opening presents, I am pretty sure millions do the same thing the world over.
What I was asking for from O2 costs them nothing, indeed if nothing was wrong with their exec it really would cost them nothing and if there was something wrong with it then they would have had to replace it anyway. All I was hoping to avoid was being disasppointed by receiving a gift from my wife at Christmas that did not work and then having to wait 2 weeks maybe before O2 replaced or repaired it under the 1 year warranty.
Sorry to have got you all wound up. I will shut up now and eat some humble pie. Certainly didn't expect this kind of response doh!
Regards to you all, and have a GREEEEAT Christmas guys
Simon
Just to cheer you up a bit, the XDA comes with a 2 year warranty, not one!!!
Stop being negative. Enjoy what you have.
gooroo, the one thing you DO want to check (and your wife can easily do this for you now without any technical knowledge) is that they've sent you a NEW Exec. I.e. one that's never been touched before. There are several reports on these forums of O2 sending out previously-returned Execs to new customers instead of sending them fresh ones and reserving the fixed/secondhand ones for warranty returns.
Get your wife to open the box and see whether it all smells new, whether everything is neatly wrapped up in little bags and whether there are any finger prints on the box, the manuals and the Exec itself.
If it looks suspicious then call O2 and stick a rocket up their collective arse. Their practise of selling second-hand phones as new is ****ing disgusting and they should be investigated by Trading Standards. :evil: Just MHO, of course.
After all this I hope you're really happy with your Exec and that you have no problems with it. Have a good Christmas and don't neglect the kids to play with your new 'baby'!
For what it's worth I don't think some of the responses above were warranted (no pun intended)...you made an honest post and people should perhaps have not jumped down your throat about it.
Bottom line is though that the 28day thing is a have-you-changed-your-mind-about-wanting-the-phone thing. Sure they could exercise a bit of festive understanding but it's not their obligation to be. But as your main concern is that it works, not that you won't like it, the 28day limit is irrelevant.
I do suggest that you get your wife to check that it's not a return (I got a refurbished XDA2 supposedly as brand new and I demanded they send a new one out - I didn't return the one I had til they did) and then get her to wrap it all up nicely again. If it's faulty when you get yer mitts on it, then you have the right to send it back as such.
Hope it all works out well for you, which I'm sure it will.
Merry Xmas everyone!!
Ant
Anton.Valleyman said:
For what it's worth I don't think some of the responses above were warranted (no pun intended)...you made an honest post and people should perhaps have not jumped down your throat about it.....[snippy]
Ant
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Yes, you should only expect posts that agree with whatever you say.... SURE!
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Yes, you should only expect posts that agree with whatever you say.... SURE!
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LOL, I'm only saying that looking at some of them, I think he was a bit hard done by. Anyway, subject closed now I guess.
Ant
Yeah, well, at the risk of flogging a dead 'un, I wanted to pitch in to support the OP and say I'm doing the exact same thing. I also asked if I could have my renewal start from the 25th so I would have the full 28 days and was told that no, it would actually start that same day, regardless of the fact that I wasn't going to receive the Universal for an unknown period of time...
Knowing that, when it arrived I opened it up (loooove that box) checked it was all ok, doing a hard boot and basic install etc then gritted my teeth and wrapped it all back up again. This was a few weeks ago now (3+ anyway) and I will *never* do this again! :lol: the suspense is killing me!
Respect is due to the OP for delaying gratification in a world obsessed with instant pleasure, and for eating humble pie, another increasingly rare trait.
@gooroo: Do get someone to check that it is an original and maybe run through a basic reboot / sim check because it's easy to do and worth making sure that Christmas day (Christmas Eve for the Catholics amongst us) doesn't end with a whimper
29 days to go...........
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I've had a vodafone nightmare.
I called to get a pac code last week in order to migrate from vodafone to O2 to get an Exec. I was literally in the middle of ordering an Exec when Vodafone called me back and said, "We know you're leaving because you can't get an HTC Universal from us, well we've found one for you, we call it the Qtek 1620."
Erm, I said, that's not a Universal, it's a Blue Angel. Queue a long debate on the phone with them, the guy assures me it's definitely a Universal and even describes the rotating screen. I say fine, but please record my concerns...
Then followed days of broken promises regarding delivery... mistake after mistake, somehow they sent it to Newbury instead of Sheffield (easy mistake to make, of course!) and ultimately it arrived this morning... and guess what I received: A Vodafone VPA 1620, aka a Blue Angel. Grrr.
More long converstations resulted in, 'sorry but there's nothing we can do.'
So now I'm waiting for news on my order with O2 and deciding whether to return the 1620 or ebay it and maintain the minimum payments on the contract - I'd only be about £30 up in the long run but the cash in hand would be nice for Christmas.
And pity my poor work colleagues who've had to put up with my moaning about all this for the last week!
Matt S.
I'd return it - claim compo for being blatantly lied to and demand your release code and if anyone refuses you, escalate to the highest possible.
Returning my VPA 1620 to vodafone. They've given me some credit on my account (which is fine since my wife still has a vodafone handset on the same account) and made the expected copious apologies.
Ordered an xda exec from Mobilefun.co.uk which went through smoothly except for a statement at about 2pm 'yes it's in stock, in fact yours is being prepared for dispatch right now' to, at 4pm, "sorry we're out of stock - we should get some more in on Friday".
I'm beginning to think somebody upstairs doesn't want me to get a Universal!
This just isn't meant to be. Mobilefun now say they won't be getting any on Friday as O2 can't supply them, and they can't give any update on when they'll be able to. What a mess!
o2 stores have them in stock - either that or try onestopphoneshop
Probably because every man and his dog are buying them on cheap contract then ebaying them for a profit...
Not that its not a good idea, but a bit greedy and upsets the poorer people that want the phone and contract but dont have oooodles of money.
In Europe during the first 6 workdays after signing and 'activating the service of a contract' it can be cancelled without any reprecussions. During the first 2 weeks after something was 'bought' it can be returned to the seller to get a refund when a product doesn't do what you expect from it. Perhaps something to think of. This is settled by law and even if companies say it is impossible they never are above the law.
grtzzzz roel..
I'm not really sure whats going on with the o2 EXEC.
They are giving them away .. by the thousand weight.
I'm still waiting for one now, its on 'back order' and has been for some two weeks. They've even offered me an XDA IIi for free on o2 200!
I suspect they will either not have anymore of these coming in or something will change, probably the price or locking the sim/software to deter reselling.
Just hoping I get one now for the pre-agreed price and within my lifetime.
*sniff
onestopphoneshop don't have any. O2 say they do, but only at £150 :-(
hi
try this , a dedicated thread about how to get exec cheap
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=32105
Thanks but I am getting it cheap ..
£149 + £15 a month o2 400
I just dont seem to be getting the f*** handset.
Still waiting after two weeks!
I am currently venting a lot of steam...
Today during the installation of a large machine at work, I left my TyTN on top of it whilst some contractors moved the 3 tonne equipment. Someone then put something heavy on top of my shiny new TyTN and next thing I know.... Screen smashed :shock:
Needless to say, I was speechless, and still am mortified.
Anyway, After coming to terms with the fact that no fancy reg hack or rom update is going to repair the screen, I realised that I am going to have to somehow have it repaired.
In essence, the LCD is not fractured. It appears that it is a glass cover over the LCD, but below the touchscreen sensor layer. I can't use the touchscreen over the smashed part but the LCD seems to be absolutely fine.
At some point, I'm going to need to send it off to somewhere for repair, but I don't yet know where to. Does anyone have any experience with physical repairs / costs / delay times of this nature?
It is my guess, that there are not many service centres in France where I live for HTC but maybe someone knows of an easy way out of this appalling mess?
Incidentally, I'm /trying/ to make an insurance claim through the customer, but they are so far unhelpful.
€850.... pah.... Gutted....
Rant turned into Repair centre test....
OK, so I've calmed down a bit now... and have decided to turn this into a repair centre test - just in case anyone is remotely interested in my woe - or indeed the performance of french HTC repair centres
I sent an email using the form on the HTC support website this evening telling them of my problem and asking about the best / fastest way to get the phone repaired.
I am located near Grenoble in France so we shall see just how well this proceeds - and how much cash I have to throw at it.
If anyone thinks that this is a waste of thread.. then let me know and i'll not post any updates
I sincerely hope no-one else damages their TyTN.... it hurts!
I think many will like to know about your updates.. and good to have a thread to 'point' to whenever someone has the same problem. LCD replacement is a common problems.. so common that they are selling LCD spares on eBay.
Ah thanks for that.
Anyway - just to report.. no reply email so far from HTC.
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If anyone thinks that this is a waste of thread.. then let me know and i'll not post any updates
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But on the contrary, I am very much interested in your future reports about HTC repairs. And of course I wish you luck!
Cheers
Daniel
Good luck with a reply rmorby.
I dropped my TyTN last Friday (8th September) and emailed the HTC service centre in the UK via the website on the Saturday. Today, one week later I am still waiting for a reply!
I rang the UK service centre on Wednesday (13th September) as I had not had a reply and was told that the IMEI number for my device was for a Dutch handset. I was told that I would therefore have to speak to Danguard in Germany to get it fixed! The operator went on to say that the Danguard phone lines we down and that I would have to email them!
That I did, on Wednesday, but am still waiting for a reply from them too! I rang Danguard in Germay on Friday - only to get a permanently engaged tone!
Come on HTC - what is going on with your support!!! :twisted:
I'm much luckier. I had a problem with mine and had the UK service center to have it fixed. Mine is UK and under warantee. On average, it takes less than a week for them to fix and return. Although I have to send it back twice. That's, first, it was a dead speaker. Then, after I got the unit back, the there are something wrong with it that the in speaker mode, the unit gets very hot and drain battery like mad (e.g draining battery while in AC mode). After the 2nd time, it works like charm.
Well Christos, I sympathise greatly. I haven't had a reply yet from them either. I'm in France, and bought the device in France, but I guess no-one's on email at HTC. I'm going to be giving them a call on Monday to see if I can progress this. It's really frustrating not being able to use the touchscreen and having a dirty big crack over the LCD.... I think this is going to be expensive...
At least, like Hanmin said, if it just takes a week to sort out when they finally get going, then that's not too bad.
unbelievable.... I'm just stunned
Well, I haven't added to this for several reasons... Firstly, I'm on nights for a while and secondly... I've had very little news.
Since the 13th September I have had an insurance claim in for this. This is insurance from the shop I bought the phone from (FNAC) and I have sent the telephone to them for evaluation etc.
To cut a long story short, they periodically sent me automated emails saying that they were progressing it etc. They also appear to be using a QTEK repair centre because they called it a QTEK 9600 instead of an HTC-TyTN, so I hope that they really are the same.
Then - NOTHING.
So I phoned them, and they said that they sent the phone back to me on the 26th October - using a postal service that takes 2 days. I haven't received anything. They gave me a dodgy tracking number which didn't work and when I asked them for a good one, it's going to take 48 hours to find it.
I'm just a little bit frustrated. I want my TyTN back now - and I have no idea where it is!
I think they lost it!!!
Wahoo so sad...
Any good news????
Hope so for you.
I will just smash the shop! Get arrested! Get out and guess what!
Smash it AGAIN!
I can`t belive this disrespect for costumers!
Maybe becose I live in Japan and here the costumer STILL the KING..hope it last forever!
Because my Nexus one had a dead/stuck pixel, I called H.T.C. and requested a repair. I sent it to them, and a few days later they said that they had examined it and determined that I needed to pay for the repair. I asked them why, and they replied that it was scratched and cracked.
Well, when I sent it to them, I had an invisible shield (a full body one, mind you) on it, and there nary a blemish on the screen. I told them this, and after a few days (and a couple more telephone calls), one of their managers had a technician examine it, found that it was fine, and said that they would fix it for free.
I received it on Monday, but didn't touch it until Wednesday because I was busy at work and waiting for the new invisible shield that I had ordered. When I used it, I noticed that they had removed the invisible shield, which I expected, but they hadn't fixed the stuck pixel! (Besides this, I had returned it to them with the original box, which they didn't send back to me)
So I called them last night and requested another repair. The representative asked me if they had charged my account for the shipping, and I answered truthfully that no, they had not charged me at all. I suppose that I am fortunate that they didn't, considering the other things they did. So now I am sending my Nexus One back two weeks after I returned it to them the first time, hoping that they will fix it properly, and without any argument.
HTC never charges you for return shipping. You only have to pay to ship it to them.
I am sorry you are having these troubles!
I successfully swapped my Nexus One due to a dead pixel within 3 days! I made a call on Day one at 11pm and by Day 3 at 8 am I had my replacement phone.
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HTC never charges you for return shipping. You only have to pay to ship it to them.
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That's a bit crap, in the UK they email you a pre-paid shipping label.
I live in the U.S.A., and they sent me a prepaid shipping label. I'm just ticked off because I sent it to them, argued with them for four days, and they didn't even fix it, and two weeks later I need to send it right back. Plus it cost me another Invisible Shield.
Swap method is always better, faster, and easier. Plus, you get a new phone. Who doesn't love that?
They said that they couldn't swap it because it was too far (a few weeks) the purchase date. Maybe the person I spoke to didn't know what she was talking about. That's sort of my impression of the support division of the company, though I know I'm probably having an unrepresentative bad experience.
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They said that they couldn't swap it because it was too far (a few weeks) the purchase date. .
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I think this is BS from HTC. I swapped my N1 after almost two months. They will put a hold on your credit card; if you can live with that the replacement is much faster than the repair.
I'll consider that if they don't fix it properly this time. I didn't want to swap it because of my engraving and the full-body invisible shield that I put on it, but if they don't fix it this time, I probably won't be willing to trust their repair department again.
I had much better customer service from Apple when I had my iPhone ..I'm getting really annoyed with HTC ...especialy with that multitouch issue..
I have a question. Did they release $28 after you got your 'repaired' phone?
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I had much better customer service from Apple when I had my iPhone ..I'm getting really annoyed with HTC ...especialy with that multitouch issue..
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I had a dead easy time with apple and my wife's 3G and her 3GS ... you walk in with the broken phone, they demand £150 (ish) for the repair which is always your fault. They then do an estimate and if its expensive (ie > £150) they turn round and say it's BER (beyond economical repair) and offer to sell you a new one. If it's a cheap fix (ie cracked glass) they repair it and pocket the £150.
Now that is customer service!
Other issues such as the 3G problem on the iPhone where it cascades from 3G to Edge to GRPS to No Service and the only way to get it back is to either power off or switch to airplane mode and back. Took it into two phone shops and then the Apple store in London and their solution? Turn off 3G.
Although their best to date is a macbook which I hardly ever use stopped charging. Rang up and they said bring it in to the Genius Bar in 2 weeks. I did, they then said it's warranty expired yesterday (13 days after I reported the fault) and refused to touch it. Demanded to see the manager said they would do me a favour and look at it for free as it was only 1 day outside warranty. They checked the battery and it had been charged 37 times in a year. The guy said this was quite heavy use and was a years worth and I would have to buy a new battery! Queue one massive kick off in the Apple store, resulting in them begrudgingly fitted a new battery!
Or the iMac 24" ATI I bought that crashed all the time, they gave me 3 units before I read on the internet that it was a software issue. I started running XP and voila ... sorted. Apple rolled out a fix quietly without telling anyone a month or so later.
Yes Apple support rocks!
All modern companies support sucks in some cases ... get used to it. Sell a million units and if you get 99% satisfaction you will get 10000 unhappy customers. Give them a platform to shout on and voila!
I bet not everyone gets Apple support like I do, some people probably can't believe how good they are.
Anyway, enough ranting, I wish google would fix the screen calibration issue although I only need to dab the power button and unlock it to fix mine.
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They said that they couldn't swap it because it was too far (a few weeks) the purchase date. Maybe the person I spoke to didn't know what she was talking about. That's sort of my impression of the support division of the company, though I know I'm probably having an unrepresentative bad experience.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! Having worked in multiple call centers let me be the first to tell you that it's hard to find intelligence or common sense in them. I work in a call center for AT&T right now and I do work for the Vice President and Assistant Vice President because nobody else knows what they're doing. As soon as they realized that I had common sense and knowledge of technology they took me off of the phone, gave me a raise and converted me from Contractor to Employee. I asked my Director "Why do you let the managers hire people who are so ignorant" His reply was "I'm paying them $17/hr, I don't expect them to think. We have the information and tools set in place to think for them. If I wanted them to think then I would hire people with a higher intelligence and I would pay them more. Instead, I have people like you come up with tools and other things to think for them"
So this is why I hate when people say "I called T-Mobile and they said..." because that means nothing. You can get a different answer every time because most of them don't know the answer because your questions are above their level of intelligence. Now, I'm in no way saying that every person who works in a call center is an idiot. I'm saying that a large percentage of them do not understand anything about what they're troubleshooting.
I was reading a survey in P.C. Magazine about customers' ratings of the service and product quality from companies such as Apple, Toshiba, and Hewlett-Packard. They rated things such as the frequency with which hardware was found to be faulty soon after purchase, how easy it was to have it replaced, and other such topics. Apple did rank first overall, and Toshiba ranked second. This doesn't surprise me, since I have a ten year old Toshiba Tecra 8100 that still runs fine, though I've fixed the screen hinges.
H.T.C. was not in their listing, and I had never dealt with their support before. I replaced my X51v's screen myself after having it for three years and getting some water damage (I also replaced the backup battery later), and that's working fine now. I'm kind of nervous now -- I half expect my Nexus One to come back with real scratches on the screen, or more dead pixels, or some other problem that it didn't have before. After they already accused me of damaging it last time, I sort of wonder what they might damage to do with it this time -- something worse than sending it back unfixed.
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I have a question. Did they release $28 after you got your 'repaired' phone?
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Yes, they did; they didn't charge me any money.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! Having worked in multiple call centers let me be the first to tell you that it's hard to find intelligence or common sense in them. I work in a call center for AT&T right now and I do work for the Vice President and Assistant Vice President because nobody else knows what they're doing. As soon as they realized that I had common sense and knowledge of technology they took me off of the phone, gave me a raise and converted me from Contractor to Employee. I asked my Director "Why do you let the managers hire people who are so ignorant" His reply was "I'm paying them $17/hr, I don't expect them to think. We have the information and tools set in place to think for them. If I wanted them to think then I would hire people with a higher intelligence and I would pay them more. Instead, I have people like you come up with tools and other things to think for them"
So this is why I hate when people say "I called T-Mobile and they said..." because that means nothing. You can get a different answer every time because most of them don't know the answer because your questions are above their level of intelligence. Now, I'm in no way saying that every person who works in a call center is an idiot. I'm saying that a large percentage of them do not understand anything about what they're troubleshooting.
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dwl, classic!! Are you also saying any one with great talking skills can get the job as customer rep too?
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Yes, they did; they didn't charge me any money.
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Thanks, buddy. I can let mine go to repairing.
Hope you get what you expect
I sent it back to them last Thursday, of course, and received a message on Monday saying that they had received it. Today, I received another message saying that they had completed their diagnostics, and guess what my option was? Pay for repair, just like last time! I sent a response asking why and called them, but all the morons in their customer service department could do was 'escalate' it, so I just sent a complaint to the Better Business Bureau.
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I had much better customer service from Apple when I had my iPhone ..I'm getting really annoyed with HTC ...especialy with that multitouch issue..
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I would be careful saying anything pro apple on this forum, lol.
I have been pretty lucky with both of my htc products so far. My N1 is great and so was my G1.
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I sent it back to them last Thursday, of course, and received a message on Monday saying that they had received it. Today, I received another message saying that they had completed their diagnostics, and guess what my option was? Pay for repair, just like last time! I sent a response asking why and called them, but all the morons in their customer service department could do was 'escalate' it, so I just sent a complaint to the Better Business Bureau.
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By chance did they answer your question? or at least tell you the results of the diagnostics and how much they charging?
Hi All,
for anyone thinking of purchasing one of these device I think you may wish to consider the following. I have been waiting for HTC repair to fix a manufacturers defect since 10th July. They now appear to have lost my phone. As follows:
- 10th July - reported a crack around the device. HTC advised that they would need to escalate the issue on ow to handle the case.
- 7th August - (1 month after reporting the problem) HTC made arrangement to pick up the device for repair.
- 16th August - received my HTC One. The cracks were still present + the glass was not fitted correctly.
- 20th August - send off for second repair
Today it becomes apparent that HTC have lost my device. They say it was repaired, and sent to UPS, who do not acknowledge receipt of it.
Unfortunately HTC are now going to investigate. I have requested a replacement handset many times from them, but they insist they get three attempts at the repair. Given previous experience this is likely to take weeks. Again I requested a replacement device today, but no. They insist the suffering must continue until HTC, putting itself first at the expense of its customers, has executed it processes and procedures.
I have been a HTC fan since the htc desire. I am very sad to say that I would not recommend the HTC One, because they are poorly manufactured, as per my thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2408050
In addition to this, I will never buy a HTC device again because of the appalling service. Even if my HTC One turns up tomorrow, and it is perfect, I will be returning it to ee. This is purely because I have learnt that you cannot rely on HTC to repair their device in a reasonable way.
I can only hope that some one from HTC reads this, and decides to investigate, because they dont like the poor publicity. I doubt it though. My experience is that they are expert in saying sorry for poor service, but its only talk.
One last point, which I think others may benefit from. The effort that I have had to go through with HTC to get as far as I have is huge. A truly high maintenance experience.
Buy a HTC device at your peril!!!
UPDATE
This matter is now closed (well almost) with HTC as far as I am concerned. I had to shout very loud to get noticed, and it took much time, effort and persistence. As you can read in the remainder of this thread, my HTC experience, this time, was far from good.
However, when I was heard, they listened very carefully, and are acting. HTC have convinced me that they genuinely do care about every single customer experience, and they do read threads such as this, and are prepared to act. They are prepared to change anything and everything to improve.
I have worked with global telecoms businesses for most of my working life (30+ years) all over the world, and I can honestly say that I have never experienced such genuine commitment to improve and resolve issues.
I don't suppose that everything will be transformed overnight, but I know that they have real commitment and desire to excel. Its obvious, they have to. Look at their competitors.
I have but one remaining item of business with regards this experience, and its not with HTC, but my network. I had to do the legwork that they should have done on my behalf. Hopefully I wont have to author another thread etc to resolve this matter.
Now I love HTC again.
HTC - Heres to change, Im sure you will be champions of it. Samsung watch out. You may be huge but YOU are up against a formidable competitor.
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Even if my HTC One turns up tomorrow, and it is perfect, I will be returning it to ee.
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That's what you should have done in the first place; let EE deal with the hassle.
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That's what you should have done in the first place; let EE deal with the hassle.
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Hi Yes you are correct, however I was advised by ee in store to return it to HTC as they would be doing that, rather than repair it themselves because it was due to physical manufacture defect.
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Hi Yes you are correct, however I was advised by ee in store to return it to HTC as they would be doing that, rather than repair it themselves because it was due to physical manufacture defect.
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And therein lies the problem. You should've insisted that EE handled the repair because they were the original retailer, and therefore it is their statutory duty to make good on the repair and/or replace. I would still go back to EE and claim that since it has been nearly two months since you reported the initial fault, and that you have now been without a phone for 3 weeks, they should replace your device because it is unable to be repaired in a satisfactory time scale and that this is a breach of your statutory rights. Don't take no for an answer, and throw section 48B of the Sale of Goods Act 1979 in their faces.
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1979/54/section/48B
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Dave
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And therein lies the problem. You should've insisted that EE handled the repair because they were the original retailer, and therefore it is their statutory duty to make good on the repair and/or replace. I would still go back to EE and claim that since it has been nearly two months since you reported the initial fault, and that you have now been without a phone for 3 weeks, they should replace your device because it is unable to be repaired in a satisfactory time scale and that this is a breach of your statutory rights. Don't take no for an answer, and throw section 48B of the Sale of Goods Act 1979 in their faces.
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1979/54/section/48B
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Dave
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thank you. Very useful.
HTC have now re located my device, after a call from ee to them. I will now receive a perfectly repaired device back from htc next Tuesday (hopefully) else I'll be going around the houses yet again. If all is OK on Tuesday it will be 69 calendar days since I first reported the problem to HTC. Customer service excellence eh...
I would say that basically every phone company's warranty service is pretty garbage.
Sometimes you get lucky, and sometimes it just sucks.
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3rd HTC repair attempt, but they want me to pay
Hi,
Had some new info from htc today. They lost my phone last week and have now decided that they want to charge me for another repair?!? This is without me even having the phone returned to me after the last repair attempt (2nd repair attempt, again under under warranty).
I can only assume that they caused yet more damage with their 2nd repair attempt, and they want me to pay for it.
I spoke to EE this morning who have raised this as an issue with OFCOM now. The last commitment from HTC (to both me and EE) was that they would return the repaired phone to me for 3/9/13. This was on Friday. I also tweeted HTC over the weekend and they committed to escalating the case (again).
I also want to say thanks to EE for their help in this matter, escalating it to OFCOM themselves.
Nearly
zaphodbeeb said:
Hi,
Had some new info from htc today. They lost my phone last week and have now decided that they want to charge me for another repair?!? This is without me even having the phone returned to me after the last repair attempt (2nd repair attempt, again under under warranty).
I can only assume that they caused yet more damage with their 2nd repair attempt, and they want me to pay for it.
I spoke to EE this morning who have raised this as an issue with OFCOM now. The last commitment from HTC (to both me and EE) was that they would return the repaired phone to me for 3/9/13. This was on Friday. I also tweeted HTC over the weekend and they committed to escalating the case (again).
I also want to say thanks to EE for their help in this matter, escalating it to OFCOM themselves.
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A minor update. HTC tweeted me again after another day on the phone with ee, htc uk, and htc tweeters, As follows:
- HTC uk have now decided (with ee's help again) not to charge me and have advised that my repair is complete and MAY be with me today, despite using UPS standard. UPS have not received the device yet so I will not be receiving the device today as promised under this courier arrangement. I am now exactly where I was 1 week ago with HTC.
I was tweeted again by htc to ask what my ticket number is, so I provided this (as I did on Saturday when they requested it). I tweeted them to 121 courier it to me today.
HTC UK customer service have agreed to email me in the morning to update me on the UPS standard delivery and have refused to courier it to me by any other method because no managers are available to arrange this. Maybe , just maybe, today will be the day my HTC One is returned without defect. I also tweeted that I want a written letter of apology, compensation and a fault free htc one today.
EE have been absolutely brilliant today and have really given me excellent support. thank you Gareth and team for your support.
HTC customer service sucks donkey balls
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Don't tell me.... said manufacturing defect is the much lauded gap in the "gapless" technology phone?
Seriously if the phone was less than 28 days old, I would of returned it to EE for a replacement on the spot, although I wouldn't of bothered as every phone in the world has issues, as they aren't Rolls Royce or Rolex's.
I didnt bother for a month after receiving but the crack got worse. The real problem is not the crack. The crack is caused by the front of the device not being squarely attached to the rear, which causes an over/underhang at the top/bottom. I recommend you check yours and return if you can feel this with your fingernail, else yours may crack also. Also check to see if the glass is fitted evenly (see pics). I think this is also caused by the poor front/back fitting as it stops the glass from fitting correctly. If you have your phone on contract I agree (with hindsight) that you should return to your network provider for repair. Going to HTC (UK) has been a disaster. My network (EE) have been brilliant "motivating" HTC to repair the device. Any how the phone is now repaired and, supposedly, on its way to me. I have but one remaining item of business with HTC (UK) which is delivery. They promised to get it to me today, but are using ups standard which wont deliver that result. Yesterday I asked them to escalate this issue and make arrangement for a person to person delivery today. Still waiting for feedback from my escalation, but yesterday they advised that no-one in HTC (UK) has the authority to do this!! I think this actually means they cant be bothered, even after taking 70 days to fix a problem. Hopeless.
I tweeted HTC yesterday and they are looking into my case. They also said they would do this on Saturday however with no apparent results or updates from them. More lip service I think. Still I'll do the silly HTC repair dance for as long as it takes, and cause as much pain and shame as is necessary to do it.
Sorry, but I had the same issue on my One. It didn't get worse or bother me at all. You could of just lived with it and not got so OCD and about.
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Sean88 said:
Sorry, but I had the same issue on my One. It didn't get worse or bother me at all. You could of just lived with it and not got so OCD and about.
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Look at the pics. If u think thats acceptable then fine, but I am not you. The device was in the process of falling to bits. In my case it did get worse as you can see. You may think that Im OCD, but the law states that the device should be free from defect, and I am thankful of it. Thank you for the valuable contribution to this thread.
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Don't tell me.... said manufacturing defect is the much lauded gap in the "gapless" technology phone?
Seriously if the phone was less than 28 days old, I would of returned it to EE for a replacement on the spot, although I wouldn't of bothered as every phone in the world has issues, as they aren't Rolls Royce or Rolex's.
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The gapless tech does not cover the speaker area. This has been said many times, even HTC has said it in one of their blogs.
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Oh dear, oh dear
Hi,
got the phone back today, and the gap is back but is now full of a glue. This was actually fixed after the first repair but its back. There is also additional damage in the form of a chunk out of the corner, and an additional gap at the side of the device. The glass problem is yet to be fixed as is the over/underhang, and theres lots of excess glue around the device.
Lucky I got before and after photos at repair cycle. Repair not accepted. No more HTC repairs for me I think.
I made much noise on twitter, and now have a publicly made personal commitment from a HTC senior exec to help with the matter (Twitter is marvelous in these circumstances). I await his response. I am somewhat relieved at this as it does show, at least at the top, that they do care.
So there's good, and there's bad in this update, so unfortunately its still a thumbs down from me. as my problem is still not resolved 71 days after I first reported it.
I offered my professional services to help transform HTC but have not heard anything back yet.
The helpful EE guy I was talking to has disappeared off the face of the planet also until Saturday apparently also. BBC;s watchdog have had a sniff so this could be the start of my TV career, if HTC dont want to hire me.
I also updated HTC and advised that I will only discuss this with the senior exec who offered his services from this point on.
P.S Apologies for the poor pics. I had to use my old phones camera.
Whereas this story is very poor I have to say HTC's UK repairs center were great when it came to me sending in my old Desire and Sensation for repair. 3 day turnaround and both sorted without bother. It does seem like this is a bad experience, though, and one that would just make me claim on my insurance to get a new handset as opposed to getting one repaired
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Whereas this story is very poor I have to say HTC's UK repairs center were great when it came to me sending in my old Desire and Sensation for repair. 3 day turnaround and both sorted without bother. It does seem like this is a bad experience, though, and one that would just make me claim on my insurance to get a new handset as opposed to getting one repaired
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My device is under warranty. This is the result of three warranty repairs, lots of escalation, costs (time spent, days off waiting for the device to be returned) and grief. How would I make a claim on insurance, its in warranty. Believe me,if I thought my insurance company would fix my ongoing problem I would have claimed. I HAVE authored a thread previously stating what an excellent level of service I received from HTC UK repair, when I had a problem with my HTC desire.
I will give credit where credit is due, and complain when it is due. I want to write nice things about HTC, but in this case I cannot unfortunately.
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My device is under warranty. This is the result of three warranty repairs, lots of escalation, costs (time spent, days off waiting for the device to be returned) and grief. How would I make a claim on insurance, its in warranty. Believe me,if I thought my insurance company would fix my ongoing problem I would have claimed. I HAVE authored a thread previously stating what an excellent level of service I received from HTC UK repair, when I had a problem with my HTC desire.
I will give credit where credit is due, and complain when it is due. I want to write nice things about HTC, but in this case I cannot unfortunately.
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Oh, I know what you're saying. I'm just saying if I'd had this much agro I would've just got the phone back unrepaired and claim on my insurance and just a brand new handset...sucks that this has happened to you
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Oh, I know what you're saying. I'm just saying if I'd had this much agro I would've just got the phone back unrepaired and claim on my insurance and just a brand new handset...sucks that this has happened to you
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But would your experience figure in your next purchase? HTC have made contact and I am confident they are taking this matter seriously. Hopefully be seeing improvements and lots of positive reviews like this one
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2432718
soon. I wont give this a thumbs up just yet, but I am more confident so fingers crossed :fingers-crossed:
Ok, my story with Z3 Compact ended not even started.
Yes, I got lucky and my screen cracked on itself without any force.
And it looked well as sony accepted the phone in US service center even though it was bought in UK.
That's where fun part stops.
First joke is a turn around time. 14 business day for a simple repair. that is at least 3 weeks! Who can wait phone that long?
That means I have to buy a new one and send sony to ebay when and if I got it repaired.
My guess is that people would buy anything else than xperia they just got broken.
What a stupid way to loose customers. Apple store would replace phone in store or take little time to resolve issue for example.
So after 16 business days I called just to hear that part is on back-order with NO ETA!
Also I was told that its not US phone so I should not even expect it to be ready soon.
Nice Sony! Good way to treat your loyal customers.
Seems like my first and last xperia phone unfortunately....
So if you still deciding ... Look at the other phones, that are more rigid or at least have a proper warranty service for 2014.
SonyXperia US has much to catch up.
Sucks man. My screen hasn't cracked yet but if it does this will definitely be my last Sony product.
I hope it won't. I am ok with stuff breaking as soon as you have a good service to get out of the situation.
Sony did not make that easy. The worst part is that there are no more good compact phones around except of iphone and galaxy alpha. which are worse than z3c in many ways.
Sucks that you're phone-less for so long, although Sony is fixing it despite being bought in the UK, which is more than they're doing for some people. Maybe the fact that it's a UK model is why they're not treating the repair with more urgency.
Other than Apple, which other phone manufacturer will instantly replace an unlocked phone as part of the warranty? Normally this is handled through carriers or (if you're lucky) the authorized retailer, but even they usually don't offer the same instant service as Apple. It's why Apple stuff costs so much. Well, that and the fact that iSheep will blindly pay for anything Apple :laugh:
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Sucks that you're phone-less for so long, although Sony is fixing it despite being bought in the UK, which is more than they're doing for some people. Maybe the fact that it's a UK model is why they're not treating the repair with more urgency.
Other than Apple, which other phone manufacturer will instantly replace an unlocked phone as part of the warranty? Normally this is handled through carriers or (if you're lucky) the authorized retailer, but even they usually don't offer the same instant service as Apple. It's why Apple stuff costs so much. Well, that and the fact that iSheep will blindly pay for anything Apple :laugh:
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For samsung, sony and all other manufacturers even if you pay premium price like note 4 for $700 and xperia Z3 $650 you get ****ty service. You wont get instant replacements what so ever.. No proper estimated ship dates, No proper customer support, No Earbuds bundled is what we pay for and seems you enjoy it more
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Ok, my story with Z3 Compact ended not even started.
Yes, I got lucky and my screen cracked on itself without any force.
And it looked well as sony accepted the phone in US service center even though it was bought in UK.
That's where fun part stops.
First joke is a turn around time. 14 business day for a simple repair. that is at least 3 weeks! Who can wait phone that long?
That means I have to buy a new one and send sony to ebay when and if I got it repaired.
My guess is that people would buy anything else than xperia they just got broken.
What a stupid way to loose customers. Apple store would replace phone in store or take little time to resolve issue for example.
So after 16 business days I called just to hear that part is on back-order with NO ETA!
Also I was told that its not US phone so I should not even expect it to be ready soon.
Nice Sony! Good way to treat your loyal customers.
Seems like my first and last xperia phone unfortunately....
So if you still deciding ... Look at the other phones, that are more rigid or at least have a proper warranty service for 2014.
SonyXperia US has much to catch up.
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feel your pain, going through the same thing:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/z3-compact/help/handtec-returns-t2919883
was really glad sony USA would do warranty repair for my phone.. although 14 business day turnaround time seemed like a lot (3 full weeks regularly), but ok. they never emailed me to say they received it - no emails for anything in fact. i had to chat with them to confirm they had received it. and then they returned it to me in about a week - shipped it out in under a week, actually. although i wouldn't have known it had i not seen the 2nd delivery attempt notice on my door. had they emailed me, i would've been looking out for it and had it a few days sooner.
all that's fine, it's their stipulated process and timing, i just could have used some communication throughout. but then comes the icing on the cake. they removed the SIM tray from the phone and sent it back to me without it. so my phone is useless as a phone for a week now, and i'm still waiting to get a replacement or hear anything about it. they've stopped responding to my daily follow-up emails.. the latest response i got had an order number of some kind but no idea where i can put it to check status (it's no retail order number or anything). no tracking. just a blurb that it may take 14 business days to send out a SIM tray to me. and here i thought when i called they'd be like "oh sh*t, we'll get one right out to you asap". but i had to go through this RMA process a second time in order for them to send this to me. i've now owned the phone for 6 weeks, and only 3 of those have i been able to use it. first experience with sony not going so well.
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feel your pain, going through the same thing:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/z3-compact/help/handtec-returns-t2919883
was really glad sony USA would do warranty repair for my phone.. although 14 business day turnaround time seemed like a lot (3 full weeks regularly), but ok. they never emailed me to say they received it - no emails for anything in fact. i had to chat with them to confirm they had received it. and then they returned it to me in about a week - shipped it out in under a week, actually. although i wouldn't have known it had i not seen the 2nd delivery attempt notice on my door. had they emailed me, i would've been looking out for it and had it a few days sooner.
all that's fine, it's their stipulated process and timing, i just could have used some communication throughout. but then comes the icing on the cake. they removed the SIM tray from the phone and sent it back to me without it. so my phone is useless as a phone for a week now, and i'm still waiting to get a replacement or hear anything about it. they've stopped responding to my daily follow-up emails.. the latest response i got had an order number of some kind but no idea where i can put it to check status (it's no retail order number or anything). no tracking. just a blurb that it may take 14 business days to send out a SIM tray to me. and here i thought when i called they'd be like "oh sh*t, we'll get one right out to you asap". but i had to go through this RMA process a second time in order for them to send this to me. i've now owned the phone for 6 weeks, and only 3 of those have i been able to use it. first experience with sony not going so well.
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Haha and they wonder why their sales are falling..
i bought their protection plan for $50.. 2 years covered and they will send me a loaner asap when i send my phone in for repair.
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i bought their protection plan for $50.. 2 years covered and they will send me a loaner asap when i send my phone in for repair.
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where did you get that for $50? online it says 79?
sravanz said:
where did you get that for $50? online it says 79?
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employee discount :good:
Where can I get the plan for at least 79? Can I get in in USA for phone I got from Clove?
I'm willing to pay for the plan as soon as it has accidental damage coverage. This is better than going with 3rd party warranty coverage.
Fond here http://store.sony.com/gsi/webstore/...le-Phones-Protection-PLUS-Standalone-Warranty
It says $59.99 + tax I assume.
Will check tomorrow if I can get it for the phone that already went to the service.
Really had no idea that sony has these extra plans for phones.
From my previous experience I had AHD warranty for 3yrs for my laptop from Sony Japan and they easily fixed all issues with shipment around the week even when there was a disaster going in Japan few years back. Japan service worked like a clock. They would also fix issues that I did not report. Just to replace components with fresh ones.
U guys are complaining because it took a week to get a phone not warranted in the usa to be fixed for free.... Try samsung or any unlocked, non apple phone and youll beg to go back to sony.
Oh and apple makes you pay for out of warranty repairs anyway. Like cracked screens.
The biggest joke is the screen cracked by itself. What's this Sony?
i had the back glass crack by itself here in the uk, sony repaired the device for free under warranty.1 week turn around time.
Just as a heads up, most decent credit cards give you an additional year of warrenty (on items costing up to $500) on purchases made with the card. This includes SonyRewards, which also provides 90 days accidental damage protection on purchases up to $500.
When I had a Samsung S4 Active I sent it twice for warranty repair. 2 weeks was normal turn around. Quit complaining.
Just to cool down the drama I see a UPS notification today that my phone is coming home.
I still think that 3 weeks is too much for screen repair. It takes less than a hour to replace it.
It would be ok if I have to wait 3 weeks for TV or Vacuum cleaner but its hard to survive without daily driver as a phone.
Good that I have dozens phones at home to use as a replacement, most people don't. I'm just saying that this is the way for Sony to loose customers.
For most it is better to go to Apple Store, PAY and get it fixed asap than look for a replacement phone, PAY for shipment and wait ... IMHO
Where Sony could improve even with current approach is bring more transparency and feedback. They have not notified me about receiving the phone nor about the backorder delays.
The simplest check my RMA status page would help a lot. I guess it is much more expensive to have staff answering phone calls and chat about RMA status. And all they can say - in progress or yes/no received.
The other way to improve is to start using quality glass and make more durable back for the phones
Meanwhile I started considering LG G2 or Nexus5 as a possible alternative. They are pretty old but still excellent phones. Also fragile though but less.
I feel your pain. I dropped my z3 compact here in the uk and cracked my screen. I sent it off to Sony mobile repair company in the uk and they said that it would take 14 days to come back. They quoted me £97.30 for the repair which is ok I guess, I mean i did drop it. After about a week thee website said that they had diagnosed the phone and it needed a new screen (genius) but that part was out of stock. What kind of repair service doesn't have replacement screens in stock, nice one Sony, how is this your official repairer?
I then found out that I had phone insurance through my work and for £50 I could get a new phone. So I decided to contact the repairer to cancel my repair and get my broken phone back. Despite ringing the repairer numerous times they wouldn't send it back even though every time I spoke to them they said it was in the process of being done. After 10 days I decided to contact Sony customer support and to be fair to them they got it sorted and had my phone back 4 days later. So i get a new z3 compact from my insurance company, and guess what the new phone's battery is ****ed. It drains like 25% every three hours and cant make it through a single day. So I'm back onto Sony and they say it needs to go off for repair. Yep, brilliant so i can wait another 10 days for you to tell me you don't have any parts in stock. So frustrating.
Blimey mate that's rough
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