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Hi,
I'm a new MDA II owner (since yesterday) and already ran into some weird problems.
One prob is: the MDA II is closing open programms after some idletime in the backround. That means, if you e.g. open pocketinformant, and put it into backround (as an Icon in tray) and you wait some secs (about 30-60), the pocketinformant just pops away. Also with some other programms: Totalcommander, XCPUScalar, almost every programm with icon is being shut down by the MDA II (or some garbagetool).
If you hold them in focus, the resist.
It doens't matter if you are activesynced or not...
Tools like smallmenue or wisbaradv or pocket controller are not shut down.
Any idea?
Sincerely
Dejan
Common,
you're the XDA-Developers, whoelse as you might now, which tweak in the registry, which .dll or whatelse leads this device to handle open programm in such a bad manner.
How can I make the device not closing some programms? Does anybody knows a tool, which prevents other tools from being closed?
Anybody?
128mb and still 94% free RAM, because the device closes the software as soon as it goes in the backround....
Greets
Dejan Ivkovic
Yeah seen the same problem here, no way to fix it yet.
Re: MDA II closing programs after some ideltime
IvkovicD said:
Hi,
I'm a new MDA II owner (since yesterday) and already ran into some weird problems.
One prob is: the MDA II is closing open programs after some idle-time in the background. That means, if you e.g. open pocket informant, and put it into background (as an Icon in tray) and you wait some secs (about 30-60), the pocket informant just pops away. Also with some other programs: Total commander, XCPUScalar, almost every program with icon is being shut down by the MDA II (or some garbage tool).
If you hold them in focus, the resist.
It doesn't matter if you are activesynced or not...
Tools like smallmenue or wisbaradv or pocket controller are not shut down.
Any idea?
Sincerely
Dejan
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Sounds like you're running low on program memory, if thats the case
your device is doing what its suppose to do! Open a few programs and then check your memory and see.
HTH
HTH
Not in my case, over 80Mb free...
@qman
well, this should be the normal way, IF I run into some memory trouble. :wink:
But, my Autostart/Startup is quite filled up with the default programms, which are being loaded by system to handle alle the little goodies form the PE AND which are being installed by default during first initialisation after hardreset.
Dispite that, I only load two other programms while booting: smenue and wisbaradvance (not worth being counted as memoryconsumer). Still have 94% of programm memory free, (or about 65MBRam. So If I load PI4, I might use some 100kb/s, and than PWord, which uses some more 100Kb/s. Ok. I still might have about 90-92% of programm ram free (aprox. 62-63MB, I cannot get the right value, because the MDA just closes the PI4 :x )
So the routine might do the right thing, but in wrong time and toooooo conservative.
BTW, this effect is also shown up on a fresh hardreseted device, just load pie and pword amd pexcel, you will see, how PIE is just vanished....
Greets
Dejan
BTW Does anybody know some dudes at MS Developing stuff (esp. Windows Mobile 2003 Phoe Edition)? In my eyes, this is one ofe these:
1. The memorycoresettings are copied from earlier days, while the devices only had 16-32 mb memory. :lol:
2. Is a bug.
Big Bug in memorhandling for open programms
Big bug in memoryhanding for open programms
I've posted following message to the microsoft.public.pocketps.phone_edition newsgroup with hope, that any of the Microsoft developer would read it, and post an reply:
to "Microsoft Mobile Stuff"
please confirm following bug:
The new Windows Mobile 2003 Phone Edition (at least german edition, might also be at english one) has a big bug at the memoryhandling routine, which handles the closing of open programms to keep programm-memory free.
Situtation: if you load programms and get over 16mb of used memory for programms at the shared memory pool of your device, the device (here especially MDA/XDA II) starts closing programms until it gets under 16 mb again, it doesn't matter, if your device has 128 Mb free, or you moved the slider at memory configuration to the left, so the programm memory is > 80 MB)
If you load enough load-and-stay-resident programms (traytools, menue extensions, desktop enhancments e.g. wisbar, smenue, pocket controler, aso.) to keep more than 16 mb used, you cannot load any further programms, because the device reports insufficant memory for execution. You can only use the loaded tools.
If you remove all \windows\startup entries and boot clean, you can load all the programms, which are being closed before, without any problems, the programms stay in memory for hours....
luck, the telephontool is somekind hardwired, so it functions even if other programms are quit with memoryerrors...
If this value of 16mb is not being set up into registry, than it is a hardcoded bug.
Anyway
Please check this out, especially an foreign language Mobile 2003 OS, and provide an bugfix fast, because with 16mb of usable programm-memory, you hardly can use your PE in a professional fashion!
Sincerely
a frustrated PE user.
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You can check this effect just load programms and look at your memory consumption. It (MDA) should close all programms until you get under 16 megs again, if it cannot, because of resident programms, you will get insufficant memory errors.
Dejan
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Just don't want to retype it again
http://www.tekguru.co.uk/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=512&sid=524b13482c3e2596000dde9a7cc05e09
Is this a hardware problem or an issue with the ROM on HTC Himalaya Phone Edition devices? Or is it a problem with Windows Mobile 2003 Phone Edition?
I mean... Will/Can this be fixed through a software/firmware update?
From the Microsoft Newsgroup:
Windows Mobile 2003 supports only 33 Processes at a time!
After a normal start the XDA II has over 26 running processes, so removing the Flash-Programs and every not needed app in Autostart is a good idea!
Does anyone experience the free program memory problems in XDA Mini? In my case, after a day of usage, the memory reduce to 14 mb, when doing a soft reset, the free program memory go up to 24 mb, means I need to soft reset every days?
Note: normally I use the phone, Pocket Informant (calendar, contacts) and sms only.
Instead of doing soft reset, just go into:
Settings - System - Memory - (Running Programs tab).
You'll probably find a lot of open programs there. Close them.
Seems to be a major design fault in the Windows Mobile OS. But then again this is product from Microsoft we are talking about - not exactly a shock that they would, without hesitation, release software with such a major failing.
I think what IvorNeo 2 means is that even without any active programs, the storage/program memory will become very low over time. This has happened to me as well. With only Activesync and Batmon 2 active, memory level fell to sub-500K level and phone needed a soft-reset to regain functionality. Phone was not in use at the time (charging).
There are some other threads discussing how to free up memory, but I haven't come across any fixes for this particular bug (yet).
i have the same problem
in my s100 , the memory reduce to 19 mb,after 2 or 3 days when doing a soft reset, the free program memory go up to 27 mb
mhtay
There are some other threads discussing how to free up memory, but I haven't come across any fixes for this particular bug (yet).
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Very nice , if someone can solve this bug
Regards
For me there are are 3 reasons why memory starts to decline:
Activesync eats up about 3MB each time you sync up and though it returns some when you kill the app it does not return the entire amount
html cache files when I surf with the device - gotta empty these along with the cookies...etc
duplicate processes and notification ques that pile up when you soft-reset the device. Over time these tiny bytes add up.
There's no fix for the main culprit of the memory loss - Activesync, maybe newer versions won't be so bad.
the same problem to me, I`m nor sure if it`s beacuse of aactive sync
This happens to my girlfriend's Mini and she does not browse nor does she use Activesync. Also I installed a program to get rid of the duplicate ques. In theory then she should not lose memory but she still does. It is just how Windows works....when you use programs you never get back 100% of the memory upon closing. Soft resets are just a necessary evil with Windows.
The latest version of SKTools has an additional neat feature to free-up RAM.
sk tools very useful program
but even this one works not so good as a soft reset.
Or with 64 mb RAM you can use oxios memory
http://www.oxios.com/memory/
be sure your programm memory less than 21mb while trying to free your memory up.
I have quite a lot of programs installed, most of them in Storage and TT5.x in SD card. Most DLL's also in Storage. I set my Prog Storage memory to 6.5-7 MB and I have over 30 MB for programs after applying SKTools FreeUp RAM utility.
rustoss said:
Or with 64 mb RAM you can use oxios memory
http://www.oxios.com/memory/
be sure your programm memory less than 21mb while trying to free your memory up.
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Isn't this a smartphone software? Will it work on wm5?
find out!
for magician good solution
@rustoss,
does this little applet close the running processes automatically once exitted?
thanx
hibernate.exe emulate filling memory till 90% & then system trying to clean possible RAM by itself i think so, i know exactly this action do the SKtools's freeupRAM, noone prog or process cannot be terminated by both.
closeapps.exe can!
a question about the topic: Rustoss do u have posted any prog here? because I'm not seeing it if it is
MocciJ
No, just put
I tend to get a decent amount of times where my phone will hang. I feel like all the problems i have are related to a lack of phone memory, but it could be some kind of software conflict or something i can;t tell what. Besides crashing, i frequently won't be able to open my Garmin GPS software, and it's real touchy when that is actually running. It willl almost never open unless i dod a soft reset right before i want to run it. If i'd opened any other programs first, it usually will not open. I am wondering how much memory should i be seeing available on the phone cause i have usually somewhere between 20-25M depending on what is running.
Here is everything i have installed, all installed to sd card except where noted:
SPB Pocket Plus - to main memory
Magic Button
Sleuth's PTT Fix - to main
Garmin Mobile 10
Tweaks2k2
Hermes Fit4cat
Live Search
Total Commander
MS Voice Command - to main
I wanted to add a few more things, ike th VJLumos etc, but i am afraid i will get even more crashes.
P.S. I did a bit of searching and i have already done the activesync fake server fix, so we'll see if that helps. but it is a huge pain when i'm on the road and have to constantly reset my phone to do anything. Thanks in advance
My sig with all my phone details didn't show up so i am reposting for that
Installing *anything* that stays running or modifies how the system works to the storage card seems to be a recipe for disaster. Move anything constantly running to main memory.
For info on memory read the "Wiki" link at top of the page but see here (bottom of page):
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Hermes_FAQs
Mike
same here mobile xt and voice command
I have the exact same problem, after many resets i did 2 things that seem to work
-changed the storage reg hack to 8196
-voice command seems to be the culprit to mobile xt not to work and hang
-storage card was a 2 gig kinston made in Taiwan causing problems so i swapped it to a 1 gig made in japan which is supposedly working with the hermes
2 gig taiwan gives problems confirmed by kingston
Please advise me if anything makes sense, feedback appreciated
Hello everyone, so I got the T-mobile wing wich is the same as the Herald a couple of days ago, and the first thing I checked when I turned it on was the program memory and it was very disappointing at around 17MB then it went down from there I never saw the 17 again, I have a few apps installed and now my memory is around 9MB after soft reset. I am not liking this about this device especially after been spoiled with the Core 2.0n ROm on my MDA (wizard) I had more apps installed and still had over 25 MB of program memory left, as far as I know the only way to make this better is to flash it with a cooked rom, but since that is too risky at this point with not having a ship rom to go to if phone gets briked I am wondering if anyone has any thoughts or solutions for this issue.
by the way I think other then the size of the wing I like the wizard better in many ways. share your thoughts.
Hummm... Are you installing your programs in storage memory or at the memory card? With exception of programs that interfere with the today screen, like wisbar advance for example, all programs should be installed in the memory card.
I have 19MB of storage memory still available... I've installed 19 programs, and only 5 are in the storage memory
BRSG said:
Hummm... Are you installing your programs in storage memory or at the memory card? With exception of programs that interfere with the today screen, like wisbar advance for example, all programs should be installed in the memory card.
I have 19MB of storage memory still available... I've installed 19 programs, and only 5 are in the storage memory
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I always install all programs on th mmory card I have a 2GB and I have 15 apps installed and 24.4 MB internal storage memory left so that one is ok, but I was talking about RAM memory that programs need to run not storage memory the on the right side when ou open the memory screen.
The problem is the pagepool.
All cooked rom for wizard have 4 or 8MB pagepool because that´s enough. I guess on wing it is the normal 12MB - too much.
We have to cook smaler ones and we will get back the big RAM like 30MB.
Let´s wait for official update and start cooking without the possibility of bricking.
lol
FZZF said:
I always install all programs on th mmory card I have a 2GB and I have 15 apps installed and 24.4 MB internal storage memory left so that one is ok, but I was talking about RAM memory that programs need to run not storage memory the on the right side when ou open the memory screen.
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Weird It is a fact that more today plugins result in less program memory, and there are some programs that even not being placed in today screen need alot of memory to run. I have about 20MB of free program memory. Maybe you should try to see which programs are using that much memory to run...
low memory on wing
I am experiencing the same thing. It sad when you have no programs running except for Activesync, and you can not even power up the camera. I have a T-mobile WdG care rep looking into it. The only other program i have installed is the slingplayer. I also have notice the a sling player error message showing not enough memory.
BRSG said:
Weird It is a fact that more today plugins result in less program memory, and there are some programs that even not being placed in today screen need alot of memory to run. I have about 20MB of free program memory. Maybe you should try to see which programs are using that much memory to run...
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You have the HTC p4350 so I am sure it's runing on different rom, I think the problem is with the T-Mobile USA Rom, it has too much crap on it I even did a soft reset right before customization to prevent the t-MO stuff to install and that gave me an extra 7MB of storage but no better on the program memory and the timobile stuff still installed. I did turn off all plug ins I even shut down all unnecessary processes with memmaid and the best I got was 13MB so I am pretty sure it's the rom and I thnk Papa is right it may have to do with the page pool and or a combination of both page pool and all the T-Mobile garbage in the rom.
cyberjr said:
I am experiencing the same thing. It sad when you have no programs running except for Activesync, and you can not even power up the camera. I have a T-mobile WdG care rep looking into it. The only other program i have installed is the slingplayer. I also have notice the a sling player error message showing not enough memory.
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yes it is sad when a cooked rom is a million times better then a ship rom made by the biggest software company in the world as Papa said I am waiting for an updated rom to be available to go back to in case something goes wrong while flashing a cooked rom, and it is only a matter of time before we can flash custom roms question is how long, I dont know how long I can handle the frustration of using this thing I installed IGO GPS yesterday and it would not run because of lack of memory so I think I am going back to the wizard until I can flash this dumb thing and by the way I don't think the T-mobile rep will come up with a solution but if he does please share it with us.
A lot of tweaking needed
I had to use Memmaid and move dll's to storage card and moved IE cache and email attachments to storage card too. Then I killed Live Search from the startup services as well as removed all things in the startup folder except services.lnk. I have two apps on the today screen and I am booting up with 20mb's free. It took some time but this will be a temporary fix until new ROM's make it here.
Using the dumped rom from the thread in the mobile 6 forum I was able to change the pagepool to 4 as well as strip out most of t-mobile's junk. While stripping out the extras did help, i'm not convinced that changing the pagepool will help. It certainly did increase the amount of free ram (27 at start dropping and hovering at 19 after several days) however I started noticing weird issues that I hadn't noticed with a 12 mb pagepool. Things like the today screen not refreshing or the wlan not starting. I'm think some of the device drivers may need to stay resident in the pagepool for normal functionality.
Overall, I've switched back to the 12 mb pagepool and everything works perfectly. The amount of free ram does get pretty low (around 4 mb) after opening all my programs but everything will still operate normally. I suspect the number reported may be somewhat misleading (like linux and vista) where it is using your free ram for caching purposes. Again i am basing this off the fact that everything will still load and work normally with low reported free ram. This is just a very long way to say that changing pagepool may introduce a new set of problems.
dll
kevinwatson5 said:
I had to use Memmaid and move dll's to storage card and moved IE cache and email attachments to storage card too. Then I killed Live Search from the startup services as well as removed all things in the startup folder except services.lnk. I have two apps on the today screen and I am booting up with 20mb's free. It took some time but this will be a temporary fix until new ROM's make it here.
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did u move all the dll's to the storage card on the tmobile wing?
interesting, I tried runing IGO nav and it reported an error saying it needed 6MB of memory to run I had to soft reset to get it to work, last night I installed SKTools and did some more tweeking with it and gained about 2MB of memory but not much I am wondering if the rom has some memory leaks somewhere because I can't even fin what apps are using so much memory at start up I got rid of most of them the only one I cant get rid of it the myfavs.
ericizzy1 said:
did u move all the dll's to the storage card on the tmobile wing?
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not all dlls will move like the omap and a few system dll's but I moved almost 8 I think, depends on how many apps you have installed too. I uninstalled some of the system software like oz im and tmobile mail wizard and had all of them running off the storage card too. I am getting 20mb free upon bootup and all the things are working as far as I know.
hi
kevinwatson5 said:
not all dlls will move like the omap and a few system dll's but I moved almost 8 I think, depends on how many apps you have installed too. I uninstalled some of the system software like oz im and tmobile mail wizard and had all of them running off the storage card too. I am getting 20mb free upon bootup and all the things are working as far as I know.
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if u could only tell me which dll's(that came installed on the wing) u moved, it will be great.
dll's
I moved everyone that Memmaid would allow me to move, the ones that were in use could not be moved and that was only a couple.
Here's what I did and I have like 15mb to spare
I did a hard reset on my Wing - then, when T-mo's customizations started/tried to run, I did a soft reset (thus preventing their installation).
From this point I installed any and everything that i wished to have on my phone
(in my case this consisted of: total Commander; Sleuth's WM6VOIP; HTC Home Plug Today Plugin; RvBCrS HTC Startup animation; A_C Slide2Unlock; Chi-Tai Dang batteryStatus TD-Plugin; T-Mobile Soft Key Applet; PPCSoft psShutXP; HTC Audio Manager; The Equinoxe Wizard Retouched Dialer2; and By Boto XDA-Developers HTC Touch Comm Manager)
As you can see, I installed a lot of stuff and still I have sufficient room left on my device. will say that inevitably you may want to reset your device about once a day or so - because it appears to slow down and lose memory over time, but all in all it's no worse than my MDA ever was, plus I still have my MDA if I missed it that much (Which I don't).
xander803 said:
Using the dumped rom from the thread in the mobile 6 forum I was able to change the pagepool to 4 as well as strip out most of t-mobile's junk. While stripping out the extras did help, i'm not convinced that changing the pagepool will help. It certainly did increase the amount of free ram (27 at start dropping and hovering at 19 after several days) however I started noticing weird issues that I hadn't noticed with a 12 mb pagepool. Things like the today screen not refreshing or the wlan not starting. I'm think some of the device drivers may need to stay resident in the pagepool for normal functionality.
Overall, I've switched back to the 12 mb pagepool and everything works perfectly. The amount of free ram does get pretty low (around 4 mb) after opening all my programs but everything will still operate normally. I suspect the number reported may be somewhat misleading (like linux and vista) where it is using your free ram for caching purposes. Again i am basing this off the fact that everything will still load and work normally with low reported free ram. This is just a very long way to say that changing pagepool may introduce a new set of problems.
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Is it possible to use an empty extended rom to stop some of those problems???
Just want to share the info on solving the problem with the Wing mem problem.
I read and followed the instruction HERE. I have set the cache mem to 6mb. I now always have 11-15mb available and the phone is responsive. And the phone is been going strong for 2 days.
dangtong said:
Just want to share the info on solving the problem with the Wing mem problem.
I read and followed the instruction HERE. I have set the cache mem to 6mb. I now always have 11-15mb available and the phone is responsive. And the phone is been going strong for 2 days.
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What are you running in background??????
I have 26MB free while SPB mobile shell, today agenda and batterystatus are running - and 22MB when activesync is connected!
BUT i have the terra. But even without pagepoolchanging i had 20MB free. After all programs are installed.
So what are you running?????
got 8 free and only Mobile shell, Phone Suit and Weather running
**** this device
Hi!
I'm having the proplem that when ever I start IGO I get the message that the device is low on memory... I had that problem before and somebody in this forum had a solution (registry key or cab to remove/suppress the message) - unfortunatelly I had to do a hard reset and now I don't know what I did before - I searched in this form but It seams that the threads have been archived and can not be access anymore!?
thanks for any support!
regards
MM
i need the same info
please post something
thanks
This device low message is damn irritating, to my surprise, this problem happened to me a day back.
I basically hard reset.
Please backup before doing that.
On the Elf I have this issue.
The thing is I never reach no memory - the warning comes at ~5MB left of program memory, which is where it seems to sit on my Elf running almost any app...
Any solutions rather than just hard-resetting all the time?
Hello?
Nobody with a solution for that problem?
My elf is behaving the same way although there seems to be enough memory.
That really is annoying...
hard reset is the only solution.
vinoob said:
hard reset is the only solution.
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It's not a solution. After a hard reset, you reinstall everything, run everything, and within a few days [or even hours] the RAM fills again, and the message reappears.
A workaround will be to use a light ROM [i.e. Onyx 6 for my device, the Elf, is lighter and gives me more program memory].
A solution we are looking for is one to either fix memory leaks so these notifications never pop up, or a method to stop the low memory messages from appearing, even when the program memory is [critically] low.
check this thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=556416
try this
have you tried cleaning or clearing temporary files? i have encountered that once before and what i did was clear all temporary files on my phone using "Clear Temp" application... you might want to try that... hope it helps...
Did you try running any programs to free-up memory? i.e. like cleanRAM or pmClean (I run these a few times a week). If that doesn't help check to make sure you don't have any un-wanted programs loading on startup, i.e. check in your \Windows\Startup folder.
mGabby
DebLogger is already disabled.
I have MemMaid, which has both Clean and ReclaimRAM functions.
Clean my phone to get rid of Internet Explorer / Opera temporary files, which crowds the storage memory. This is not related to program memory.
ReclaimRAM saves about 800KB [supposedly] when I run it. But the message comes up at 5MB of program memory left. With an app running, my free program memory is usually around 3MB - ReclaimRAM won't remove the notifications.
Currently I get abit more program memory running WM 6.5.3 [Onyx 6 R4], but it's still not ideal...