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Free Program Memory problems in XDA Mini

Does anyone experience the free program memory problems in XDA Mini? In my case, after a day of usage, the memory reduce to 14 mb, when doing a soft reset, the free program memory go up to 24 mb, means I need to soft reset every days?
Note: normally I use the phone, Pocket Informant (calendar, contacts) and sms only.

Instead of doing soft reset, just go into:
Settings - System - Memory - (Running Programs tab).
You'll probably find a lot of open programs there. Close them.
Seems to be a major design fault in the Windows Mobile OS. But then again this is product from Microsoft we are talking about - not exactly a shock that they would, without hesitation, release software with such a major failing.

I think what IvorNeo 2 means is that even without any active programs, the storage/program memory will become very low over time. This has happened to me as well. With only Activesync and Batmon 2 active, memory level fell to sub-500K level and phone needed a soft-reset to regain functionality. Phone was not in use at the time (charging).
There are some other threads discussing how to free up memory, but I haven't come across any fixes for this particular bug (yet).

i have the same problem
in my s100 , the memory reduce to 19 mb,after 2 or 3 days when doing a soft reset, the free program memory go up to 27 mb
mhtay
There are some other threads discussing how to free up memory, but I haven't come across any fixes for this particular bug (yet).
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Very nice , if someone can solve this bug
Regards

For me there are are 3 reasons why memory starts to decline:
Activesync eats up about 3MB each time you sync up and though it returns some when you kill the app it does not return the entire amount
html cache files when I surf with the device - gotta empty these along with the cookies...etc
duplicate processes and notification ques that pile up when you soft-reset the device. Over time these tiny bytes add up.
There's no fix for the main culprit of the memory loss - Activesync, maybe newer versions won't be so bad.

the same problem to me, I`m nor sure if it`s beacuse of aactive sync

This happens to my girlfriend's Mini and she does not browse nor does she use Activesync. Also I installed a program to get rid of the duplicate ques. In theory then she should not lose memory but she still does. It is just how Windows works....when you use programs you never get back 100% of the memory upon closing. Soft resets are just a necessary evil with Windows.

The latest version of SKTools has an additional neat feature to free-up RAM.

sk tools very useful program
but even this one works not so good as a soft reset.

Or with 64 mb RAM you can use oxios memory
http://www.oxios.com/memory/
be sure your programm memory less than 21mb while trying to free your memory up.

I have quite a lot of programs installed, most of them in Storage and TT5.x in SD card. Most DLL's also in Storage. I set my Prog Storage memory to 6.5-7 MB and I have over 30 MB for programs after applying SKTools FreeUp RAM utility.

rustoss said:
Or with 64 mb RAM you can use oxios memory
http://www.oxios.com/memory/
be sure your programm memory less than 21mb while trying to free your memory up.
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Isn't this a smartphone software? Will it work on wm5?

find out!
for magician good solution

@rustoss,
does this little applet close the running processes automatically once exitted?
thanx

hibernate.exe emulate filling memory till 90% & then system trying to clean possible RAM by itself i think so, i know exactly this action do the SKtools's freeupRAM, noone prog or process cannot be terminated by both.
closeapps.exe can!

a question about the topic: Rustoss do u have posted any prog here? because I'm not seeing it if it is
MocciJ

No, just put

Memory loss :-/

Can somebody tell me why, over a couple of days of normal use, my memory drops from 17MB free for programs to about 2MB free, even though I have stopped all applications?
The only way to get it back is to do a soft reset.
If it didn't do this, I could probably live quite happily without mucking about with a big ROM or whatever.
DaveH

By the sounds of things you need a program that actually CLOSES programs. Normally WM2003 will just minimise when you hit the X button, making them quicker to open next time, but it means you have heaps of programs open at once, taking away from the ram.
SPB Pocket Plus, Wisbar Advance and a few freeware programs will take care of this problem for ya. I have Wisbar and only ever soft reset if a program crashes and locks the thing up which isn't very often at all (perhaps once a fortnight or maybe a little more often than that.)

jimmy-bish said:
By the sounds of things you need a program that actually CLOSES programs. Normally WM2003 will just minimise when you hit the X button, making them quicker to open next time, but it means you have heaps of programs open at once, taking away from the ram.
SPB Pocket Plus, Wisbar Advance and a few freeware programs will take care of this problem for ya. I have Wisbar and only ever soft reset if a program crashes and locks the thing up which isn't very often at all (perhaps once a fortnight or maybe a little more often than that.)
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I also have SPB Pocketplus, but that doesn't solve the problem. After a soft reset I have about 21 Mb of program storage. After running programs like Contacts, the Phone, Calender and closing them (really closing them!) I have about 18 Mb left. I heard this is a common problem with 2002/2003/2003SE. So in my opinion the only solution is to softreset your PDA every few days...
You can use tools like Memmaid to view your running processes. There you can see that, after closing your applications, some (always running) processes have grown bigger!

memory loss
i have the similar problem under universal wm2005, my available memory slowly reduces or doesnt fully recover after each interaction, until it winds down to a slow machine, a soft reset fixes, but still frustrating that it has to be done. I have SPB 3.0, and it still occurs.

Sounds like thereś a program installed on your devices that has a memory leak. I´ve had my phone going without a soft reset for well over a week now and I have 29.1mb left as program memory. When I soft reset I start out with 29.8mb.

jimmy-bish said:
Sounds like thereś a program installed on your devices that has a memory leak. I´ve had my phone going without a soft reset for well over a week now and I have 29.1mb left as program memory. When I soft reset I start out with 29.8mb.
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???
According to the amount of threads I've read about this subject I think your device is quite unique. Is phone the only application you are using? Anyway, cherish your device! (I'm not cynical...)

memory loss
even though u guys close all ur apps there r some hidden task running which takes the memory i had cexperience in which there was task manager if u see properly u will get lots of program taking up all ur memory in that u can even end task those programs

memory loss
Any actual task managers that can be located for WM2005 so that I shut down some of the running tasks would be great, any ideas on:
1. A good product to use
2. Which are "good" tasks which must be kept and which are "bad" tasks which can be shut down?

My phone's not unique in any way. I used to have the same problem for the first few months of having my phone. I then did the big storage hack, cleared up everything in main memory that wasn't need, the usual memory enhancing stuff discussed on the forum.
Now I'm really tight as to what programs stay on my phone. Anything takes away from the memory and it's gone unless it's an essential app. Not one thing is stored to main memory and these programs are what I have installed:
Wisbar Advance (latest release)
Wisbar Advance Desktop (0.7 Beta)
Resco File Explorer 5.13
psShutdownXP
Pocket Artist (trial, getting rid of it soon)
Pocket Earth (waste of space, getting rid of it)
Who wants to be a Millionaire
Ziogolf 2
PDAwin Spot
Tennis Addict
Virtual Pool Mobile
Flux Challenge
Everything except the Wisbar apps are on the sotrage card, wisbar apps are in storage. Nothing on main memory at all, even deleted the photo templates!
Like I said, I used to have memory leaks and from what I could tell at the time SPB Pocket Plus 2.5 was the main culprit for me, dunno what version 3 is like. Voice command is also a killer.

jimmy-bish said:
Everything except the Wisbar apps are on the storage card, wisbar apps are in storage. Nothing on main memory at all, even deleted the photo templates!
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You mean, you installed all these programs on Storage Card of Storage? How did you do that?
As most programs will automatically install in Program Files in main storage...

try sktools for some hardcore cleaning up.
V

pietrucci said:
jimmy-bish said:
Everything except the Wisbar apps are on the storage card, wisbar apps are in storage. Nothing on main memory at all, even deleted the photo templates!
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You mean, you installed all these programs on Storage Card of Storage? How did you do that?
As most programs will automatically install in Program Files in main storage...
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When you run the install program on your PC, it will ask if you want to install them in the default location. Say "No", and select the storage card as the location.
However, some programs won't work on a storage card (especially memory managers, Today plug-ins, etc). If you are installing from a CAB file directly on your PDA, it will automatically install to main memory. There are applications to fix cab files, but I have never tried them.

HI!
I was facing the same problem. My memory would go down from 22 MB to about 9 MB and once I did a soft reset it would again go up to 22 MB. I realised that the culprit was Battery Pack Pro v. 2.0. I had Battery Pack Pro v. 1.1.1 installed on my Mini and it was absolutley fine but the problem started only when I upgraded to BPP v. 2.0. I communicated with the developers of BPP - OmegaOne but they couldnt offer a solution so they refunded the money I had paid for it. Since the time I have downgraded to BPP v. 1.1.1 the Mini is working fine and no memory leak whatsoever.

I don't have BPP but I do have the following: Maybe we could find a common link to all the machines with memory leakage,
Dinarsoft MemMaid
Spb Weather (was Marsware Weatherpanel but lost even MORE memory)
TCPMP (shouldn't be that as I hardly ever use it)
Richard L. Owens FILEASFL
vCard send and receive
CDL Orange customisation
.NET pocket framework
Pocket Blox Aqua Calc
Spb Stardock Weather skin
Hudson Mobile Phone Dashboard
Spb GPRS monitor
Spb Full Screen Keyboard
ZingMagic Backgammon
Climbwalls JB Piano (not used much)
Tom Tom 3
TomTom GPS
CheckPOInt
Any thought on those apps?

gwes.exe just keeps growing

hi
I use MemMaid and the running process that uses the most memory is "gwes.exe".
the problem is ,that the amount of memory it uses just keeps growing,rising on a daily basis .I've found that a soft reset brings it right down again :lol: ,but then it starts to rise once more .
Does anyone have a similar problem?
Is there any way of bringing down its memory use without soft reset?

markbrudney said:
hi
I use MemMaid and the running process that uses the most memory is "gwes.exe".
the problem is ,that the amount of memory it uses just keeps growing,rising on a daily basis .I've found that a soft reset brings it right down again :lol: ,but then it starts to rise once more .
Does anyone have a similar problem?
Is there any way of bringing down its memory use without soft reset?
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same to me. 10MB was the size of it. killing it makes the device freeze

don't kill gwes, it is a system process, stands for Graphics, Windowing and Events Subsystem.
i dunno why you get the memory leak, i don't. i always thought spb pocketplus is the culprit, but someone just claimed he had no leaks while using spb+. but give this a try if you happen to use it...

Same here and that is not just with gwes but with many other system files, but gwes is of course the biggest. Isn't this an issue with WM5?
I also use OxiosMemory and try to mitigate this by forcing the processes to release resources not in use, but that does not elimate this issue completely.

harryk1372 said:
Same here and that is not just with gwes but with many other system files, but gwes is of course the biggest. Isn't this an issue with WM5?
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no, the explanation is not this simple. i run the same wm5 as you and i dont have this problem.

cmonex,
Can I ask you what apps you run? It might be the apps I am running that you do not run is causing the memory leak.

harryk1372 said:
cmonex,
Can I ask you what apps you run? It might be the apps I am running that you do not run is causing the memory leak.
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i leave these constantly running all the time:
magicbuttons
taskmgr v1.6 (from buzzdev)
uptime
also usually leave these running:
totalcommander
opera
messages (sms)
occasionally using:
iGO 2006
Netfront 3.3
PQZII
vijay's full terminal screen hack
ftpsrv
phm regedit
tre regedit
adobe acrobat
mobipocket
wmirc
softmaker textmaker (wow sucks why no real vga)
tcpmp 0.71
hope this helped what apps are you running?

cmonex said:
hope this helped what apps are you running?
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Thanks for that. What I run is quite a few and some are same as yours. The biggest difference is that I run Wisbar Advance 2 and Wisbar Advance Desktop to skin the GUI.
The apps I am constantly running:
Wisbar Advance 2
Wisbar Advance Desktop
SEVEN (mobile push email)
ATOK (IME for Japanese language)
DefSIPChange (changes default SIP)
PQz
The apps I am running occasionally:
Backup and Restore
GSFinder
MemMaid
Oxios CloseApps
Oxios Hibernate
PHM RegEdit
JpegCapture
TCPMP
VeriChat
Warm Reboot
GB-SOFT Tweak
Pocket Tweak
I will have to check the ones I am constantly running to see if any of them is causing this problem but it could be the first two on the above list.

hi
I run:
contacts
calendar
comm manger
internet explorer
resco file explorer
MemMaid
games
These I run most of the time and I frequently have to switch them off in settings/system/memory in order to keep a reasonable amount of memory free
However gwes.exe never decreases
Can anyone see a link?

markbrudney said:
hi
I run:
contacts
calendar
comm manger
internet explorer
resco file explorer
MemMaid
games
These I run most of the time and I frequently have to switch them off in settings/system/memory in order to keep a reasonable amount of memory free
However gwes.exe never decreases
Can anyone see a link?
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hummm i didnt list the builtin apps but what i use from them is contacts, comm manager, PIE (very rarely), messages (only for sms), word... (sometimes the other office stuff too) would use calendar too but i always forget to note my todos in it
+ and i forgot to list nPOP (for emails) and a screenshot maker (magic something)..
anyway what you run doesn't sound too bad, if you really use no today plugins.. i got no idea.. what ROM version do you run?

The growth is because it caches icons (start menu - programs - settings) to speed up the display. At least that's my best guess!!!

hi
rom version:1.30.107 wwe
I did a soft reset today and gwes.exe went down to 4.22MB
I then ran only the wifi (comm manager) and gwes rose to 4.35MB
I ran it again after switching it off in settings/system/memory and it rose to 4.78MB
when I switched it off again in settings/system/memory it came down to 4.56MB but its obviously where the leak is.,because I didn't run anything else.
the problem is how do I stop it?

Hi all there,
same problem with my german VPA IV (Vodafone) even after several ROM upgrades (Jasjar, qtec, new vodafone ger) no changes of this strange behavior
I really hope, there's anybody out there, who can help us with this annoying thing.

This gwes.exe issue is experienced with WM2003SE as well. I found this in one of the threads in Windows Mobile Team Blog.
"With WM2003SE, I had issues like GWES.exe growing until I ran out of RAM. So, I purchased WM5, hoping the repurposed strata flash and new OS would resolve the issues."
You can also refer to below for gwes.exe in detail.
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/d...ui5/html/wce50conshellanduserinterface146.asp
Someone was saying earlier in this thread that gwes.exe caches icons. That might be true but may not be just icons and that explains why gwes.exe grows. Or, it might be that some apps you are running are causing memory leak but that is not easy to spot on.
A workaround to this I use and can recommend to anyone having this problem is Oxios Memory 1.40. It's free!
http://www.oxios.com/memory/
One of its apps is Oxios Hibernate. WM_HIBERNATE is a window message that is generated by the Windows operating system and sent to an application when system resources are running low. All applications should get the message and handle it by attempting to release as many resources as possible by unloading processes, destroying windows, or freeing up as much local storage as possible without damaging the internal state of the system.
I normally run this whenever the free memory space gets low like down to 15MB before my device gets unstable. I normally gain quite a bit by reducing the sizes of gwes.exe and all other processes running are occupying and that I don't have to reboot my device everyday. Check the size of gwes.exe with MemMaid before and after you run this and you will notice how effective it is. :roll:

thanks harryk1372,
Oxios Memory 1.40 is great and I managed to release 3MB of memory.
However none of it came off gwes.exe.
Just a matter of interest ,how many times should I use Oxios Hibernate?
Every time I press it,I get some memory back.

markbrudney said:
thanks harryk1372,
Oxios Memory 1.40 is great and I managed to release 3MB of memory.
However none of it came off gwes.exe.
Just a matter of interest ,how many times should I use Oxios Hibernate?
Every time I press it,I get some memory back.
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Maybe that gwes.exe did not have any resource to release at the point you ran Oxios Hibernate and it was already close to the bare bones. Try running Oxios CloseApps as well as Oxios Hibernate. CloseApps closes processes running in the background and that releases the memory used by those.
You do get some memory back by running Hibernate multiple times but the actual amount you get back is very small after the first run although the dialogue may say it is like 2 to 3MB released every time. I am not sure why this is but I think it is no use running it multiple times. Just run it once or twice a day when you find that the free memory is low.
As I wrote in the earlier post, Oxios Memory is just a workaround I found. It does not eliminate the problem completely and the memory resources used by the processes running will never go down to the level of right after the reboot of the device. I experienced that gwes.exe gradually grows in several days to the point when I need to reboot my device even with running Hibernate from time to time. It's just that I don't need to reboot it like everyday.

thanks harry

thank you very much

hey i had the same problem that is mentioned here....
i was running spb pocket plus when i noticed this....
now with ilauncher and spb diary i have around 25 mb at start up and hardly if any memory leak....
with ilauncher alone i have around 27.5 mb
also some software have been updated like pocket informant webis mail..my experience with them shows me that they have next to no memory leak...
what i have noticed is that applications which are not designed for wm5 have terrible leak....case in point....girders which i a game with simple graphics leaves me with only 9 mb when i exit the app...while with skyforce 1.22 (wm5) the leak is hardly 100-200kb

you could try htcAddicts:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=487490
it seems to be more powerful than Oxios

O2 XDA Orbit keeps rebooting - is it faulty?

hello,
I have an O2 XDA Orbit for the past 4 weeks but have had an ongoing
problem that when I install some programs the phone just keeps going
round and round soft resetting itself!!!
I have tried to eliminate which program (if any one in particular) is causing
this and I have now had enough. The ONLY way to stop this happening is to
remove the battery. Then I have to do a hard reset and lose all the programs
that I have installed. I even used SPB backup to help things along and even
when I think I have got a good working setup that can be re-installed the
phone can repeat this behaviour some time later for no apparent reason.
Also if I add a couple more programs it then happens again anyway.
Does anyone have any idea why this is and how I can fix it PLEASE?
It's driving me nuts, I love the phone but can not be doing with this.
I list below the details from the boot up screeen in case they are of help:
1.25.0001
1.25.0000
02.67.90
1.25.0.0
If anyone has a solution it would be most appreciated, THANKS.
If you have any other questions please ask.
All the best - Michael

And what programs did you add, a list would probably help

These are among them but...
Hi and thanks for interest but as I said above I do not seem able
to find out which program (if any) is the culprit? Even when I have installed
a few and made a "stable" backup a few soft resets later and it happens
again! It's doing my head in. I have tried different programs in various order
and things appear to be fine - then repeated soft reset going round and round
and the only way to stop is remove battery and hard reset, re-install programs
and do it all over again. Even the "stable" backups appear to be no good???
It occasionally happens with only a few programs installed! Would a "firmware"
upgrade be possible or help do you think? How would that be done safely?
However, here is a list of programs tried - I had to do a hard reset to get these:
anton tomov pocketmechanic
binaryfish all mobile mines
blue point studio pocket earth
conduits pocket player
dinarsoft memaid
electric pocket ringo
handmark tetris, monopoly and trivial pursuit
lakeridge wisbar lite
omega one dominoes and checkers
opera browser
pocketmax pocketwords
pocketmind pocketmusic
resco keyboard
resco picture viewer
spb backup
spb clearvue pdf
spb gprs monitor
spb pocket plus
webis pocket informant 2007
That's it - in no special order or combination...
I personally can not find any one of them as being responsible?
In case you are wondering the phone came already unlocked from O2 as an
upgrade. I am on Virgin, it has a 1gig micro sd card fitted.
Hoping someone will have the answer, many thanks,
All the best - Michael

P.S. I have other programs I would like to install but it seems so futile at
the moment. I also forgot to say that tomtom navigator 6 is installed too.
And generally speaking when the programs are running without any bother
they all seem to work fine, no crashes or hangs, hope this helps?
Finally, I am using Microsoft Activesync 4.2 and it seems to make no
difference whether programs are installed in main memory or storage card?
Thanks again - Michael

anton tomov pocketmechanic is low level software so most likely to cause issues.
But really, just try installing only a few of the apps and using it for a few days. Random resets are unusual of course, and if it was hardware or firmware, it would happen all the time. But if it doesn't happen after a hard reset, your issue is software, not hardware/firmware.
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i had the same problem. the device did not reboot when removing the storage card. i took out some files from the Programs directory and found out, that some where causing eboot. for me it was SK tools folder. when i removed that, the device did not reboot. i dont know what it is...

Thanks for replies so far
I am taking note of suggestions so PLEASE keep them coming.
If anyone needs any more info just ask, I shall be checking
here on a regular basis to see if anyone has more ideas.
Ttfn, all the best - Michael

I've found two programs thus far that send my Orbit into this behaviour, SK Tools and Tengo. Once sussed, cold restart, reinstall without these, and all is stable.
Neither of these are on your list, so I'd be interested to know once you find out the rogue program!

See this post for a fix?
Thanks for your suggestions so far, keep 'em coming please.
In the meantime I have had a very positive and promising response here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=1116164#post1116164
Look at post number #2 to find out exactly what it might be and fix?
cheers - Michael

Still doing it!
Hi All,
Well what can I say? I have been very careful and am STILL with this lousy
problem! Had enough, feel like chucking the rotten thing in the bin!
Would it be any good or easy for me to update the ROM, WM5, or anything
else that may help? It is already unlocked.
It's no good to me if I am not able to run the programs that I want, unless
they are known to cause problems? But right now it's about impossible to
discover what is causing this? Could it be a combination of programs?
If so, I have no chance of working it out?
All the best to you, Michael

I had the same problem for the first time last week and I had pocket mechanic only recently installed. I have hard reset the device and the problem has gone. So I installed the program again and hopefully I will not have any further issues?
Other programs installed include:
Resco keybord explorer and picture viewer
Sbp Brain evolution
Space reclaimer
Airscanner Anti Virus
Code Wallet Pro 6
Sprite Backup
Tom Tom 5
Worldmate
Towncompass Dataviewer
Monopoly
Pocket Mini golf 2
Age of Empires
Pac-Man
Oxford Dictionary
Soft key applet
Htc Phone pad
Anyone else having these issues please list what programs you are using or have just recently installed so we can find any possible trends?
I have also noticed since reinstalling my applications that the voices on tom tom sometime sound strange until I exit application and run it again.

Orbit reboots constantly
I also have a brand new orbit, which also started constantly rebooting after installing loads of software.
I eventually fixed it by removing the storage card (containing SK Tools) removing that software maually with a card adapter.
Meanwhile I rebooted the phone without the card, it managed to boot properly. I removed the program (in system settings) and then turned it off and replaced the card. It now works fine.
I think SK Tools is the main offender! But if you still want a list of my installed progs, just ask.

It's not just SKTools m8, nothing really to do with any particular program to be honest. When installing a program, when finished it should have an OK button at top right hand corner, if it doesn't then you know as soon as you reboot it will go round in loops. The only way to prevent this if you don't see the OK button is to un-install the program before rebooting, then try and install it again, it will work, it's just some programs don't work first time. ALSO any programs which at end of installation say something like "ppc must now be rebooted, do you wish to reboot now? press ok for now or cancel to continue" you SHOULD NOT let the program reboot your system as that will again cause the orbit to go round in loops again, you should press cancel (the program has still been installed don't worry) then hold the power button down until the shut down message pops up, then shut down manually and restart, that way it will work fine. Trust me, I've sussed it out from like day two.

Rebooting again!
Yeah,my mistake. I spoke too soon!
It did settle down for a bit. But it does keep looping, but now it even does it at random times, I haven't installed anything for a while but it's really unstable.
Your right about the 'OK' thing in the top corner it does disappear.
But I have the additional problem, which is on another thread with the 2gb storage card getting garbled unless I soft reset the device- my device often gets into a loop after I soft reset to get my sd card data back (especially after using TomTom or Rescoe explorer) - i thought i'd fixed that too, cos the phone behaved perfectly for a week...and then it all went horribly wrong again!
Do these these storage card and rebooting problems happen on ALL orbits? Or should I just replace my handset?

I removed these two programs and...
Hi All,
it's been a while since I posted here but I have found (so far) that
when I un-installed SPB Pocketplus and Resco keyboard my XDA Orbit has
NOT EVEN ONCE gone into the re-booting loop! I may try O2 plus?
I am also now happily running too many programs to list - all with no
apparent problem other than the storage card issue below.
Because of this I am not going to use them again until I feel very brave
and patient? Also I have the problem of garbled files and folders on my
2gb Sandisk (made in Taiwan) storage card, bought from USA on Ebay?
At the moment it reads 5.37gb! The garbled files are NOT deleteable and
have a file size up to 1.450gb! Does any one have an answer to this yet?
But so far my programs are running OK, fingers crossed. I shall see if anyone
finds a definite answer to this by following other threads.
Hope this is informative, all the best - Michael

This is the way to put CORRECT pressure on the memory card:
put the memory card in and make sure the flap clicks into place and does not bounce back up.
put the sim flap down and make sure it is clicked firmly in place.
once above steps are done get an EXTRA simcard and place it on the sim gate directly above the active sim.
carefully put battery back in and hold in place with finger whilst replacing back cover.
all should be fine

I have been installing loads of stuff on my orbit and a couple of times it has gone into this reset loop you guys are on about. I was wondering if anyone knows if this issue would persist after a hard reset and restore. I have spb backup, recently installed, but I have never needed to restore. It never happened before the last 3 things I installed: Magic Button, CLauncher, and spb shell, which I would hate to uninstall any of.

2020vision
HI 2020VISION............
I KNOW THE SOLUTION.........ITS EASY.
JUST REMOVE TOMTOM's Start FILE FROM MINISD CARD THATS IT.......THIS WILL ALLOW YOUR POCKETPC TO STOP REBOOTING....U R DONE....IF U STILL CAN'T DO IT ......I'LL EXPLAIN U A BIT MORE IN MY NEXT POST AND U DON'T NEED TO HARD RESET YOUR POCKETPC...........HAVE FUN..........
FOOTLEFT
'DESIGN TO DO THE JOB'.

Sounds simple but...
May I ask if ALL the others with this same problem also
have TOMTOM installed? I was beginning to think that it
could have had something to do with one or more SPB programs
as these are seeming to be a common link? What do others think?
Will certainly test what you say when/if it happens again.
Thanks - Michael
P.S. Could you still leave your detailed explanation anyway? Ta.

I've had this problem once a while ago. At that time I was installing a lot of different programs and the one caused the problem was probably HTC X-Button. I was so scary that I hard reset and reinstalled things without it.
Yesterday the same problem occured after I ran Spb Backup. This time I tried with a simple solution by removing the MicroSD card and installing it back. This did help. I ran Spb Backup without a problem.
So I guess this may have something to do with a vulnerability of the Orbit to low-level software.
I'll keep an eye to see if this would happen again.
BUSPBP

Warning Memory Low: Memory filled with garbage files

I'm having a problem with my PPC 6700. I can use it for about 2 weeks until I get a warning that memory is low. Using Total Commander to look in what I would call the "\root directory", there are new files with garbage symbols in the titles. I am unable to delete them. The only recourse is a hard reset.
Additionally, sometimes pushing only the power button does a soft reset.
I've tried using Helmi's AKU 3.5, Helmi's 6.1, and Lenny's 6.1 -- with various combinations of programmes. This problem eventually occurs, and does not seem to be linked to any combination of programs -- at least that I can discern.
I'm wondering if there is a problem with corrupted memory. If this were a PC, I'd do a scandisk and mark certain hard drive sectors "bad". Is there a way to do this on the Apache?
Any other suggestions?
Thanks!
Steve

Memory Problems?
Anyone ... ?

have you tried oxios hibernate ..??? ..its pretty good for freeing up memory

Thank you SwiftWizdom
Thanks, SwiftWizdom. I have used Oxios, but this problem isn't so much the volatile memory, it's the file memory that gets filled up.
As far as I know, Oxios helps reclaim ram memory, not rom.
Interestingly enough, I haven't had that problem in quite a while now. I do, however, need to hard reset regularly. Today I was taking notes at a meeting using my pda and PocketWord. I also tried to take a photo, but the camera wouldn't work (the screen showed what I was aiming at, but the camera wouldn't actually record the photo). I had to hard-reset 3 times today!
Either the file area is somehow corrupt, or there are lots of problems with the various versions of WM 6.1 I've tried. Because at least 3 versions now have given me somewhat similar problems, I suspect that there is some defect with the file system which causes problems from time to time.
If there were a way to checkdisk and repair, or at least mark the bad sectors, I might be able to rely on my pda more ....
Thanks for your suggestion,
Steve