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HSPDA ???

Hi!
Now I think I may get a few people thinking I am wierd but hey!! I would like to know a bit more about HSPDA. I know it is a new speed access for data. But how do i activate my Ameo to use it and does anyone know where i can get a coverage map to see where i can use it??

HSDPA is activated on W'n'W Plus by default - not sure how you tell on the Ameo - some ROMS display H instead of U/3G but the Ameo doesn't appear to.

On my HTC Advantage on Cingular it dispalys 'H' when I am in a HSPDA coverage area.

yes mine displays H at times

I have been wondering the same thing (i.e how to tell when the Ameo is using HSDPA).
In the UK, I have never seen an "H" displayed with my Ameo on web'n'walk

Like I say, on other phones it depends on the ROM - I have never seen an H on my Ameo and have been getting far faster than 3G speeds!

On T-Mobile UK, wherever there is 3G, there is HSDPA. The T-Mobile ROM does not change between displaying 3G and H - no need becauise 3G = H on T-Mobile UK.
I forget the max T-Mobile speed at present - about 600k I think. If I remember correctly, they are aiming to double that in places by the end of the year.
No need to configure an English Ameo for HSDPA.

apd said:
On T-Mobile UK, wherever there is 3G, there is HSDPA. The T-Mobile ROM does not change between displaying 3G and H - no need becauise 3G = H on T-Mobile UK.
I forget the max T-Mobile speed at present - about 600k I think. If I remember correctly, they are aiming to double that in places by the end of the year.
No need to configure an English Ameo for HSDPA.
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i don't think what you say is correct. There are lots of area where you can only get 3G instead of HSDPA with T-mobile. I have DOPOD U1000 but I am using T-mobile Sim Card. It's clear to me that most of the time in London, i will get H display on my phone, but once I moved out to other place, I start seeing 3G signal only. And yes there is a speed difference. And I have also run tests on the HSDPA speed, on average i am getting 1000k (1M), the top speed i ever got is 1200(1.2M).

Could do with your support buddy...
wu5262 said:
i don't think what you say is correct. There are lots of area where you can only get 3G instead of HSDPA with T-mobile. I have DOPOD U1000 but I am using T-mobile Sim Card. It's clear to me that most of the time in London, i will get H display on my phone, but once I moved out to other place, I start seeing 3G signal only. And yes there is a speed difference. And I have also run tests on the HSDPA speed, on average i am getting 1000k (1M), the top speed i ever got is 1200(1.2M).
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Agreed. I too get an average of 1k but mine too tops out at about 1.1-1.2.
Hey wu. Haven't seen you in a while. Hope all's well. I would have thought the Athena project would be of interest to...plus with your contacts, your help would no doubt be invaluable to us all.
Anyway no sales pitch. Just hope you join in, as we now have 2 great developers on board and are soon to receive 2 devices. OK enough plugging for now.
See you there hopefully.

mackaby007 said:
Agreed. I too get an average of 1k but mine too tops out at about 1.1-1.2.
Hey wu. Haven't seen you in a while. Hope all's well. I would have thought the Athena project would be of interest to...plus with your contacts, your help would no doubt be invaluable to us all.
Anyway no sales pitch. Just hope you join in, as we now have 2 great developers on board and are soon to receive 2 devices. OK enough plugging for now.
See you there hopefully.
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Hi mackaby, I have been a bit busy, yes, the Athena project interest me a lot, but I am having problems with my paypal.......hopefully i will sort it out soon.You have a nice day and see you around.

wu5262 said:
i don't think what you say is correct. There are lots of area where you can only get 3G instead of HSDPA with T-mobile. I have DOPOD U1000 but I am using T-mobile Sim Card. It's clear to me that most of the time in London, i will get H display on my phone, but once I moved out to other place, I start seeing 3G signal only. And yes there is a speed difference. And I have also run tests on the HSDPA speed, on average i am getting 1000k (1M), the top speed i ever got is 1200(1.2M).
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The info comes straight from several sources at T-mobile - all their 3G coverage is also HSDPA. However, I have an Ameo, which only ever shows 3G.

apd said:
The info comes straight from several sources at T-mobile - all their 3G coverage is also HSDPA. However, I have an Ameo, which only ever shows 3G.
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I have heard this before but am not certain it's true, can anyone else confirm or deny?

Confucious said:
I have heard this before but am not certain it's true, can anyone else confirm or deny?
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that is certainly wrong, i have seen 3G and HSDPA separately in different location. The speed difference is huge. BTW, you shouldn't listen to mobile operator, most of the time they don't know what are they talking about. Guess what, some of them don't even know there is a 3.5G (HSDPA). (I mention this to them, and they ask me to google it !)

Data Speed

Hi there,
Just bought this a few days ago and playing with it. Got the 16key Tmobile UK edition.
I have tried to use it as a modem for my laptop, but the speeds I am getting are 270kbps. I was expecting it to be quite a lot faster?
This is with a 3G icon at the top which I assume means that it is connected via UMTS.
Is this the speed I should be expecting? I am on the 8th floor of my building but have got 3 bars of reception (not sure if that is related or not).
What kind of speeds should I be expecting? on both UMTS or HSDPA?
I am with T-Mobile.
Thanks

you'll geh an H-icon when connected via HSDPA, which is faster than 3G.

yup... but what speeds should i be expecting?
is 270 low for 3g?

soggybiscuit said:
yup... but what speeds should i be expecting?
is 270 low for 3g?
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Hmmm, I believe that ~46Kbytes/sec is fastest speed with 3G (386kbits). With HSDPA (3,5G) you can have faster connections e.g 2Mbits, even upto 3,5Mbits if network supports its.
Edit // Ps. Mobile operator may require that HSDPA has to be ordered as "value addad service" so it may cost more than basic 3G connection (usually its not included to the basic contract)

This might help...
http://www.business.orange.co.uk/servlet/Satellite?pagename=Business&c=OUKPage&cid=1044134021646

ahh cool thanks... so 270 aint that bad i guess...
i'll test out my speed at work where im getting hsdpa showing up see how that shows

I live in Leeds (UK), and have HSDPA service mostly when I connect to the web. I downloaded a 4mb file on it last night and it took just under a minute to complete. I was pretty impressed. You don't need WiFi on a touch dual when you can download at these speeds and when you have an (almost) unlimited data plan
Can't wait when Firefly or Opera 9.5 comes out.

silmonli said:
You don't need WiFi on a touch dual when you can download at these speeds and when you have an (almost) unlimited data plan
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well ... exactly!! when you have an unlimited data plan :\

Phone call and browse internet at the same time?

Can you make a phone call and browse internet at the same time?

yes. while in the call, press "back" or "home" and you're free to continue using the phone as normal.

Someone's been watching AT&T commercials.

Yes you can.

As long as you have a 3G connection, you cant on edge so youd need to have the N1 on tmob as it can only do edge on ATT, they dont mention you cant do it if you dont have 3G in the commercials.

JoshHart said:
As long as you have a 3G connection, you cant on edge so youd need to have the N1 on tmob as it can only do edge on ATT, they dont mention you cant do it if you dont have 3G in the commercials.
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Which is pretty funny considering those AT&T commercials are in response to Verizon pointing out the fact that their 3G coverage is in so few areas.
Another thing to add, this will also work without 3G if you are connected to WiFi, and that goes for any Android phone, even on Verizon.

If Verizon wants to take a slap at someone, how about T-Mobile's less than steller (and slower) 3G in many of it's coverage areas.

jmacdonald801 said:
If Verizon wants to take a slap at someone, how about T-Mobile's less than steller (and slower) 3G in many of it's coverage areas.
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T-Mo isn't a threat to Verizon. They're too small (for now...)

well, correct me on this. that "on a phone call while on the internet" works for GSM phones (ATT, T-Mo). Because Verizon (as claimed by ATT) and Spring (verified by my friend) can't get on the internet while being on a phone call, and they're CDMA. Of course, we're talking about non-Wifi connection. even my gf's carrier (MetroPCS, CDMA), can't go online.

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well, correct me on this. that "on a phone call while on the internet" works for GSM phones (ATT, T-Mo). Because Verizon (as claimed by ATT) and Spring (verified by my friend) can't get on the internet while being on a phone call, and they're CDMA. Of course, we're talking about non-Wifi connection. even my gf's carrier (MetroPCS, CDMA), can't go online.
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A GSM carrier with a 3G signal. Has to be 3G or on wifi

JoshHart said:
A GSM carrier with a 3G signal. Has to be 3G or on wifi
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ya thanks for adding that. forgot the 3G part

Carloswithac said:
Someone's been watching AT&T commercials.
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LOL. Thats what I was thinking

Android + Web2Go Speeds

I am on T-mobile USA. I use a UK HD2. Therefore, I do not have 3G frequencies. I am on Web2Go (unlimited Data), however, my speeds are limited to 2G edge. It's painfully slow.
Is data speeds a cause by Android or my carrier's speeds?
Can Web2Go be any faster if, say, I had a US HD2 (assuming t-mobile doesn't know I have a smartphone under Web2Go)??? What speeds will I be surfing the web? 3G 4G?
Thanks!

Your post confuses me, but I think this may be the answer you're looking for.
Edge (which is actually 2.5G) has a max download limit of about 25kB/s, that's a technical limitation and cannot be bypassed. Android has got nothing to do with this. You also can't softmod your phone to receive TMO's 3G frequencies, if you really want it you're gonna need a TMO supported HD2. 4G is out of question, but I've heard their 3G network is pretty damn quick. (Couple of megabits/sec download, should suffice methinks!)

StephanV said:
Your post confuses me, but I think this may be the answer you're looking for.
Edge (which is actually 2.5G) has a max download limit of about 25kB/s, that's a technical limitation and cannot be bypassed. Android has got nothing to do with this. You also can't softmod your phone to receive TMO's 3G frequencies, if you really want it you're gonna need a TMO supported HD2. 4G is out of question, but I've heard their 3G network is pretty damn quick. (Couple of megabits/sec download, should suffice methinks!)
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thank you. that was informative.
But my question is if my HD2 was able to pick up 3G or 4G (hspa+), will my download speeds be limited to my phone's frequencies or limited to the data plan I have, which is the $9.99 Web2Go?

it is a hardware limitation. your UK hd2 does not support t-mobile's 3G bands. therefore, you will not get 3G speeds from t-mobile.
t-mobile does not implement a speed limit on their data plans; their grandfathered plans ranging from $3 data plans go just as fast as the current $30 data plans.*

I have a T-MOUS branded HD2 with the $10 web2go plan, using internet2.voicestream.com APN. I cannot get T-Mob's HSPDA+ (4G) because it's hardware limitation, I believe only the G2 and Mytouch 4G are capable of HSPDA+ on T-Mobile.
My HD2 with Android gets HSPDA (3.5G) just fine. The speeds vary tremendously depending on my location. There's one particular spot in my town where I ran a several speedtests and consistently got 3.2 Mbps download and 1.5 Mbps upload. But for most locations, I get only around 1.2Mbps download and 1.4Mbps upload. And inside my house, where's mainly a deadzone for data, I only get Edge which is around 200Kbps download and 350Kbps upload.

My HD2 is the same way. I used to get 3Mbps, but one day I lost 3G for a day, the next day it came on and was slow. I would get 0.43Mbps on speed test. It would never go above 1Mbps, unless I go 3 blocks away from my home, I would get up to 5Mbps. Back at my house it would go back to 0.06Mbps-1Mbps. This has been happening for ever since OCT 26 2010.
From OCT 26 to now I have been using Tmobile Data as my ISP. Thought since they have a very fast network that can go up to 21Mbps and only at $25 I will go and get the USB PC stick, but from what has been happening I decided to remove the data plan from my phone because it was worthless and too slow to even watch videos. They have told me that their are issues in some states were you may not even get any data or voice. But its taking them too long to fix. I'm gonna wait about 2 months before I go back, hopefully they have the issue resolved.

nexus14 said:
it is a hardware limitation. your UK hd2 does not support t-mobile's 3G bands. therefore, you will not get 3G speeds from t-mobile.
t-mobile does not implement a speed limit on their data plans; their grandfathered plans ranging from $3 data plans go just as fast as the current $30 data plans.*
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OMG! really?
So I can get 4G speeds with the G2 on the grandfather $5.99 Web2Go Plan?
What is stopping me from getting a G2 off contract and popping my SIM (which currently have Web2Go) into the phone?

lemonspeakers said:
What is stopping me from getting a G2 off contract and popping my SIM (which currently have Web2Go) into the phone?
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Buying the G2 off contract, probably?
In all honesty, I think this 4G is way overrated. HSPA supports up to 14mbps, that's almost 2 megabytes per second. That's about the max speed I get with my broadband connection at home.
I can't even tell the difference between surfing on WiFi or 3G, because the browser is obviously the bottleneck which slows things down.

lemonspeakers said:
OMG! really?
So I can get 4G speeds with the G2 on the grandfather $5.99 Web2Go Plan?
What is stopping me from getting a G2 off contract and popping my SIM (which currently have Web2Go) into the phone?
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All of T-Mob's Android phones are locked by IMEI, so I don't think your data plan will not work. When you try to use data, it'll say you have to upgrade your data plan.

raysacr said:
All of T-Mob's Android phones are locked by IMEI, so I don't think your data plan will not work. When you try to use data, it'll say you have to upgrade your data plan.
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Oh really? Then what phones CAN use t-mobile's 4G in america?

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Oh really? Then what phones CAN use t-mobile's 4G in america?
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T-Mob G2 or MyTouch 4G. But when you get those phones, you have to upgrade your data plan. I don't think your $6 tzone will work with those phones.

this question may come across a bit noobish but I'm using the UK HD2 on Tmob UK and getting 3G speeds so I'm unable to understand what you mean by it's a hardware limitation of the HD2 UK to get 3G speeds. Unless Tmob US works differently?

Conflikt Icey said:
this question may come across a bit noobish but I'm using the UK HD2 on Tmob UK and getting 3G speeds so I'm unable to understand what you mean by it's a hardware limitation of the HD2 UK to get 3G speeds. Unless Tmob US works differently?
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Uhu, tmous has its own 3g frequency (frequencies actually).

USA sim

I am from Israel and I am coming to the States on the next Monday. I need a sim with unlimited data, and about 100 minutes of talk and some messages.. I also need wifi tethring option to tether my tablet and laptop. I cant decide which carrier to choose. T mobile daily plan sounds nice but there are others like h2o, net10... Any suggestions?
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I would get the T-Mobile $30 unlimited data and texting with 100 minutes. The $3 a day plan is also a good option if you're going to use under 200MB a day.
All the plans AT&T MVNO's(H2o, Red Pocket, etc) have low data allowances and cost more than T-Mobile.
AT&T has 250 minutes and unlimited texting for $25 a month. You can add data for $25 a GB.

bar_rodoy said:
I am from Israel and I am coming to the States on the next Monday. I need a sim with unlimited data, and about 100 minutes of talk and some messages.. I also need wifi tethring option to tether my tablet and laptop. I cant decide which carrier to choose. T mobile daily plan sounds nice but there are others like h2o, net10... Any suggestions?
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You should make sure your phone supports the AWS band (also known as band IV) for 3G before going on T-Mobile or band II or V for AT&T 3G.
T-Mobile checks UA string to detect tethering, so you will need to spoof it in your browser settings to get around it. Not sure about AT&T or any MVNO, however.
Would strongly suggest T-Mobile if your phone supports it and you plan to stay in a metro area. Otherwise, go with an AT&T MVNO.

While I have not had any experience with T-Mobile, all of my past experience with AT&T has been horrid. I would not recommend them for prepaid or postpaid usage

Rikairchy said:
While I have not had any experience with T-Mobile, all of my past experience with AT&T has been horrid. I would not recommend them for prepaid or postpaid usage
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As much as I would agree (I hate calling people who I know are on AT&T because the calls drop frequently), T-Mobile's 3G coverage is much smaller than AT&T's 3G coverage - leaving AT&T as the only GSM option in some areas. That said, if you spend most of your time in or around major cities, T-Mobile is superior both on performance and price.

I have LG P500, it has quad band and tri band.. should it work with T Mobile? I will be in major cities like NYC, Philly, DC...

bar_rodoy said:
I have LG P500, it has quad band and tri band.. should it work with T Mobile? I will be in major cities like NYC, Philly, DC...
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You won't be able to get 3G from any US carrier with that phone. It supports 900 / 2100 for 3G and none of the networks over here support those 3G frequencies.
You'll be on 2G no matter which carrier you choose.
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You won't be able to get 3G from any US carrier with that phone. It supports 900 / 2100 for 3G and none of the networks over here support those 3G frequencies.
You'll be on 2G no matter which carrier you choose.
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From what I know, T mobile uses 2100 MHZ...
By the way, how about Motorola Milestone 2?

bar_rodoy said:
From what I know, T mobile uses 2100 MHZ...
By the way, how about Motorola Milestone 2?
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Nope. T-Mobile uses 1700/2100 together. You can't just use 2100 on T-Mobile.
The international Milestone has the same bands as your P500. The US Milestone supports AT&T 3G.
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I would get the T-Mobile $30 unlimited data and texting with 100 minutes. The $3 a day plan is also a good option if you're going to use under 200MB a day.
All the plans AT&T MVNO's(H2o, Red Pocket, etc) have low data allowances and cost more than T-Mobile.
AT&T has 250 minutes and unlimited texting for $25 a month. You can add data for $25 a GB.
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The problem with the T-Mobile $30 unlimited data (up to 5Gb) plan is you won't be able to use any data on Edge and they don't really have 4G anywhere unless your phone does WCDMA on 1700Mhz then it will work at T-Mobile stores but that's all. You will need a newer Samsung Galaxy S2 or S3 phone to take advantage of 3G service on T-Mobile.

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The problem with the T-Mobile $30 unlimited data (up to 5Gb) plan is you won't be able to use any data on Edge and they don't really have 4G anywhere unless your phone does WCDMA on 1700Mhz then it will work at T-Mobile stores but that's all. You will need a newer Samsung Galaxy S2 or S3 phone to take advantage of 3G service on T-Mobile.
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When the OP made the thread and mentioned T-Mobile, I figured he had a T-Mobile compatible phone. If you reqd the post above, you'd see I pointed out that T-Mobile 3G/4G wouldn't work on his phone.
But, don't have to be at a T-Mobile store to get 4G. That's absurd. Also, there's no need for a new T-Mobile phone to get fast data, any T-Mobile 3G phone will work.
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When the OP made the thread and mentioned T-Mobile, I figured he had a T-Mobile compatible phone. If you reqd the post above, you'd see I pointed out that T-Mobile 3G/4G wouldn't work on his phone.
But, don't have to be at a T-Mobile store to get 4G. That's absurd. Also, there's no need for a new T-Mobile phone to get fast data, any T-Mobile 3G phone will work.
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I disagree, it may sound absurd until you realize they don't really have any 4G network anyplace but they need service inside the stores so they can display the phones working. In the Phoenix, Mesa and Scottsdale areas the only place you can get 4G on T-Mobil is in or near the T-Mobil stores where they have a 5 bar signal. They claim they aren't using an amp or anything but if you leave the store and go down the street a few blocks there's no signal and it's not available anywhere else.
As for saying "any T-Mobile 3G phone will work" you know they haven't sold 3G phones since 2010, right? None of the new Samsung 4G phones can get 3G either, at least none of the ones I looked at in the store could get it since they don't have an option for HSPA or HSPA+, just GSM and WCDMA with nothing in between.

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I disagree, it may sound absurd until you realize they don't really have any 4G network anyplace but they need service inside the stores so they can display the phones working. In the Phoenix, Mesa and Scottsdale areas the only place you can get 4G on T-Mobil is in or near the T-Mobil stores where they have a 5 bar signal. They claim they aren't using an amp or anything but if you leave the store and go down the street a few blocks there's no signal and it's not available anywhere else.
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Tinfoil hat much? Nuff said.
I get T-Mobile 4G all over Alabama, miles away from the T-Mobile store. I also travel yearly to TN, LA, MI, and GA, and I get T-Mobile 4G in those states as well.
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As for saying "any T-Mobile 3G phone will work" you know they haven't sold 3G phones since 2010, right? None of the new Samsung 4G phones can get 3G either, at least none of the ones I looked at in the store could get it since they don't have an option for HSPA or HSPA+, just GSM and WCDMA with nothing in between.
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All T-Mobile smartphones phones are capable of 3G. You confusing T-Mobile 4G with LTE. T-Mobile doesn't have LTE, and their 4G network is nothing more than fast 3G. The icon in the corner of your screen might only show 4G, but there are many instances where it's actually getting 3G I get 3G with my Galaxy Nexus on T-Mobile.
You really need to do some serious research.

Lets try and keep this on topic of the thread bout sim card and not go off about how good the actual networks are etc.

The fact of the matter is, you'll only get 3G/4G (HSPA+) on AT&T and AT&T MNVO's. If OP needs fast data, I'd recommend a Straight Talk AT&T-Compatible SIM from http://straighttalk.com. It's $50 for a month of unlimited everything (just don't go too crazy with data). When you fill in the APN, ignore any proxy fields except for "MMS Proxy".

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The fact of the matter is, you'll only get 3G/4G (HSPA+) on AT&T and AT&T MNVO's. If OP needs fast data, I'd recommend a Straight Talk AT&T-Compatible SIM from http://straighttalk.com. It's $50 for a month of unlimited everything (just don't go too crazy with data). When you fill in the APN, ignore any proxy fields except for "MMS Proxy".
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His phone runs on 900MHz and 2100MHz, doesn't AT&T 3G run on 850MHz and 1900MHz?

Oh wow, he has some funky frequencies. He'll need a different phone for 3G/4G on any network then. Basic functions and EDGE should work though.