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No LED on answer/hangup buttons on hinge

Hi,
When i first setup my Exec using personal mode, the answer and hangup buttons on the hinge woudl illuminate when a call came in (when the unit is closed like a laptop). Now i am using it in corporate mode, the LED's don't illuminate. They only illuminate when the screen is rotated into PDA mode.
I am assuming this is a reg hack. Does anybody know what it is? or has anybody else got this problem?
Cheers
Paul

They don't illuminate when the device is closed, only when you have the screen open or facing outwards.

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They don't illuminate when the device is closed, only when you have the screen open or facing outwards.
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And very annoying it is too - especially when both buttons look so similar when not illuminated. This must be hackable?

This has got to be one of the most annoying features of the exec.
Also i have found that if the device is closed, MSVC does not recognise anything you say when activated via BT.
I have never really played with the device in personal mode as the GUI is bollox so cannot comment on if the buttons light up or not when the device is closed. But what i do know is that when it is closed the screen is switched off as if the device is in standby mode, maybe this has something to do with it.

I try to memorize the position of the green button in relation to how I always hold the phone and feel for it like a Braille board. So far I get it 75% of the time.

is anybody using the 'Personal' install on their exec? can they confirm if the LED's are illuminated or not when the phone rings when it is closed?
Cheers
Paul

Someone who's actually opened the Universal may be able to confirm this, but I suspect that the answer/hang up buttons on the hinge don't actually have LED's. I believe that they simply use the light from the screen's backlight to illuminate. As near as I can tell, they're only on when the screen backlight is on.
If that is the case, then there probably won't be a way to get them to illuminate when the case is closed, unless someone can figure out how to get the backlight to stay on when the case is closed (which would also be a big battery waster)
Brett

Yup, i can confirm this. I've just removed the cover on the top of the hinge. There is one wrapped cable coming out of the base at the right hand side. This then splits off, the main part goes up into the pivot hole, and a thinner wrapped wire brakes away from this and attaches to a small pcb which has the buttons and the LED's mounted on it.
Yes, the buttons are only illuminated when the backlight is on, but the brightness of the buttons remains constant even when the backlight brightness is turned down.
Cheers
Paul

As far as I see it, even if the backlight has to come on that wouldn't be a problem - after all, the phone is waking up in order to ring. I also often open up the screen slightly to see who's calling, then close it and press the answer button - therefore switching on the backlight initially would actually save time!

Maybe somebody knows of a "wake-on-ring" hack :lol:

I've just noticed it with my new Qtek 9000 and I was very worried, because I thought my device is broken.
But now I know this is "normal", but it's very annoying :?

I wish I had this problem! .. since yesterday my JJ seems to have those lights permanently on even when I switch the device off

Guys, I've made a program that will keep the hinge leds on all the time.
Actually this is an accidental discovery for a program I'm working on for this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=37201&highlight=
Those guys want to be able to use the keys and phone functions with the lid closed.
I'll post more in that thread, but basically closing the lid puts the hardware keys in a special state such that they are not responsive at all until the device is woken internally (eg by an incoming phone call). Actually, can someone confirm that the hinge keys work when a call comes in but the lid is closed. I presume they must, since they don't do anything else!
So, the hinge lights are on when the screen is on. But the screen is switched off when the lid reaches about 10 degrees to closing. But the hinge lights can be kept on nevertheless
Grem: are you using TCPMP or a similar program to play music etc in the background? Anything that tries to keep the phone "on" when the lid is closed will keep the hinge lights on.
V

Hi vijay555
I've actually just done a complete cold re-boot and reflashed to the original i-mate factory ROM to see if that would help, then came here in search of anyone having a similar issue.
It started yesterday, i suspect I've had an internal meltdown somewhere, plugged it into sync, noticed a few minutes later it had randomly done a warm reset and appeared stuck on the blue i-mate screen, picked it up and the sucker was hotter than an AMD without a heatsink! I suspect it's warranty time for this unit

Grem, that's worrying. What were you doing at the time? What brand/operator etc is the phone? It might be worth posting batch numbers or whatever for people that have this kind of problem so we can identify if some are worse then others.
V

It's an i-mate straight from the wholesaler no particular operator. Had it a couple of months, have seen other reports on the forum here which sound perhaps similar in that they've overheated.

natural position of receiving calls(talking on the XDA Exec

Hello
I was wondering which is the natural position of receiving calls on the XDA Exec.
is it talking on the phone into the screen side of the phone or talking into the phone with the phone shut?

It's got a microphone in the base part which is under the bottom part when it's closed with screen up, and it's got two speakers, whichever one is outside and up with the screen closed is used. So in other words, If you hold it with screen visible but lid closed (standard portrait pda mode), you hold the screen to your head right side up, and if the screen is closed, you use the same position but without accidentally activating ten dozen functions from your ear touching the screen..

thanks for the reply
so it has got 2 speakers
the first one below the screen and the second one on the ther side of the screen
and has got one microphone, which is on the other side of the screen.
does that not mean that the natural position to talk is with the phone closed?
"nd if the screen is closed, you use the same position but without accidentally activating ten dozen functions from your ear touching the screen"
how can one activate the dozen functions if the screen is closed?

it does not matter if the screen is flipped around (pda or clamshell mode) or not. In both modes, you use the device in same way.
look at some photos of the universal, then you will understand. the micro is placed on the base, so it is always at the bottom side of the device. the flipable top part has a loudspeaker at the screen side and a loudspeaker on the other side. so you always have one loudspeaker at same place, where your ear will rest when talking.

thanks for the reply
i understand now that irrespective of using clamsheel or pda mode, the voice quality remains the same

Okay to use a universal closed with screen hidden?

Apologies for the odd title, it's hard to convey the nature of my question without a long explanation.
I have an Alpine right now. My main peeve with it is the fact that screen & button lock gets turned off as soon as I receive a message or call, allowing me to open any number of programs and connections whilst the device is still sat in my pocket - a real PITA when I have to have it on silent when I'm in uni.
I should be getting a universal in a week or so.
I noticed that the universal can be closed in such a way that the screen is not exposed at all. What I was wondering was if it is practical to keep it in one's pocket like this (yeah I have big pockets), preventing any buttons/icons being pressed when I receive a message/call when it is in my pocket. Can one still normally receive messages and calls when it is like that, and still be able to answer them conveniently? Flipping the screen over to answer a call doesn't seem like a big deal to me.
Bottom line, is there anything I should know about using the phone like this?

With the screen closed you can still answer calls.
If you want to check who is ringing you can lift the screen to check the number and then just close the screen again and answer the call with the answer button on the spine of the Universal.
Another advantage of this is that the screen doesn't gunk up as the exterior of the Universal is pressed against your ear, not the screen as happens with the Alpine.

I think, to answer your question, it is possible that you once the device is "unlocked" active, or in sleep mode, pressing the "call" button that is external on the hinge, can activate and make telephone calls in advertantly. though it is unusual.
in relation to pocket, it just fits into a top shirt pocket. in baggy shorts, with its weight, it tends to bang around a bit. in jeans and pants, its a bit big.
overall, as a phone it is functional for receiving calls, if you just receive all. opening the screen to see is a bit of a pain after a while. Setting ring tones for specific callers helps to ease this. bluetooth headsets are also getting to a point of allowing caller id.
There is a heap of "issues" posted around the website and some dissatisfaction with the device. but i am perfectly happy with it, and does everything i wanted, except sufficient memory.

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I think, to answer your question, it is possible that you once the device is "unlocked" active, or in sleep mode, pressing the "call" button that is external on the hinge, can activate and make telephone calls in advertantly. though it is unusual.
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Not a big deal to me, that is surely much less of an issue compared to my current problem with the unlocked screen. As for the pockets thing I don't think it will be a problem either, I'm used to the Alpine so I'm sure this won't be much of a big step.
Thanks for the responses guys, I'll be receiving mine tomorrow
My brother is getting my Alpine.
Edit: One more thing - does anyone know if my Alpine's car charger (3rd party, very cheap) will work with the universal or do I need to get a new one?

Earpiece problem.

recently the earpeice on the oustide of my M5000 has stopped working when the phone is in the closed position with the screen facing inwards, if i open the phone slightly so that the display somes on the speaker works again, there is no problem using the earpiece when in "pda" mode when the sceen is flipped to the outside.
any ideas?
its starting to drive me nuts as i always ues my phone in "laptop" mode, and make calls with the phone in closed position.
thanks.
Ryan.

sorry to bump, but i cant stand it any more.
I've been thinking about when it happened. i've got a feeling it was after making some registry changes, are there any keys that control how the phone behaves when the case is opened and shut?

Screen turns off right after phone calls are dialed

Hi folks:
Sorry if this problem has been covered before. I ran a search to try to see if I could find someone having this problem and could not find it. This problem started all of a sudden (without any ROM updates or nothing).
This is it: I make a phone call, and immediately after I press "TALK" on the screen, the screen turns itself off, and I don't have access to the keypad, or any of the touchscreen functionality.
I tried pressing all the hardware buttons to see if the screen would come back on, but nothing, it stays off.
Then, when I hang up the call (by pressing "END CALL" on the screen), the screen comes back on and everything is back to normal.
Can anyone offer any clues to solve this? Thanks in advance.

is the phone near something? maybe your ear?
is anything in front of aproximity sensor? (upper left, near speaker)
DN41

Nope... I use a BT headset since I got it (this only started happening 2 days ago, and I've used this device for over a month now).
It also happens everywhere (in my room, outside in the street, etc).
Very puzzling... I am thinking of doing a hard reset, but want to see if anyone has had this happen before...

Does it happen when you don't use the headset?

Yes indeed, I had already checked that and ruled out that the headset was causing the issue.

have you recently installed a "screen protector" ? This happened to mine as i hadn't quite got the holes lined up for the proximity sensors.
thanks,
scater1983

This happened to me as well today. Had the phone for 3 months now and can't say I've noticed it before. I do have a screen protector which also covers the proximity sensor (no holes in that area), but this was like a month ago and I have had no problem accessing the screen during calls until today. I have made a couple of calls after the one I mentioned but didn't remember to check if the problem was still there. Will try to see on the next one

ive been able to just press a face button to bring the screen back up. of course mine turns off when i put it near my ear thats intended. i had an issue where the touchscreen would not work at all durung a call. the screen would be on but only the physical buttons could do anything. a hard reset fixed that

Yeap, coincidentally, I just installed a screen protector and a protective case (darn). I will try this without the case and report back.
Thank you !

Problem solved ..
Been trawling these forums for hours for a registry edit to fix screen blank when making a phone call - LOL - who would have thought it was the cheap plastic case I whacked on the other day!