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Universal's A2DP Quality

Hi,
maybe someone can give me some info.
Have a T-Mobile Germany MDA Pro with the newest Stock ROM supporting A2DP.
Have board a brand new Plantronics Pulsar 590A Headset. It works, but the quality of the sound is very very bad with my Universal. I have also tryed the smal A2DP Sender, that comes packed with the Plantronics device and the quality is 100 times better. What is the problem? Can I adjust the bitrate of A2DP transfer in wm 5.0 registry?
The sound is a little much deep and on mid to hig frequencies, i hear a high frequencie noise.
Does anyone else has this problem?
This is not a problem of the receiving device.
Thanks for any help on this :`)

No Ideas?
Please Help!

I have the Qtek WWE ROM on my Qtek (latest official version). I use a Jabra bt620s, and i have no problems with it.
Maybe it's some obstruction of the signal? Do you encounter the problem when the Qtek is in clear view of the headset at a meter away?

I have the Motorola HT820, and finally got round to installing the Qtek WWE ROM today. Connects fine, I can walk into another room from the Uni and have no problems; But -
I also get a high pitched noise, particularly on music with lots of treble. It can be controlled up to a point by tweaking the graphic equaliser, but it is still annoying.
When using the HT820s linked to my Bluetooth PC and laptop, they sound superb - so it is a problem with the universal.

Thanks so far, i start hating my Universal ....
I think, there can be 3 reasons for that.
The Windows Mobile A2DP Software encoder, if it is software encoded.
The Bluetooth Chip, if it is HW encoded in Bluetooth.
The Radio ROM or Chip, if it is encoded on the Radio Processor.
I am not so deep in the Universal Technologie, but i know, that the sound was very clear on Blue Angel using the broadcom stack. So I think, it is M$ Bluetooth that makes the problem, but i am not realy sure.

... or is there anyone how don't has this kind of problem?

Hi,
I personally have never had that problem (which I interperate as "some form of noise" when listening to music over A2DP) you guys mention here, neither with my Motorola HT820's or i-Tech BluePRO's.
Only problems I have had with A2DP and my Universal is;
1. Pause/Resume button not working always in Windows Media Player (works fine in latest version of PocketMusic though)
2. Not automatic reconnect of A2DP when I turn headset on (only prob with the i-Tech's, Motorola's seems to work fine)
3. Occational drop/loss of sound for a second or two (have this under control now, only an issue for me now, when there is to much obstructions between Universal and my i-Tech headset)

RonnyGydar said:
1. Pause/Resume button not working always in Windows Media Player (works fine in latest version of PocketMusic though)
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I also have this Problem. Sometimes, i have to press, the button twice, sometimes i have to hold it. But the problem apears only, on resume.
RonnyGydar said:
2. Not automatic reconnect of A2DP when I turn headset on (only prob with the i-Tech's, Motorola's seems to work fine)
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Yes, that's realy evil ... I also have that. Reconnecting of Handsfree works fine.
RonnyGydar said:
3. Occational drop/loss of sound for a second or two (have this under control now, only an issue for me now, when there is to much obstructions between Universal and my i-Tech headset)
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This is a general Universal Problem. Maybe Radio Interference, maybe missing some CPU power.
The noisy and unclean sound can be a ROM Version Problem, if you don't have that. I have tryed also with a Linux Computer as A2DP SINK Client, and the sound is same bad.
That's my ROM Version Info:
ROM-Version: 1.30.113 GER
Radio-Version: 1.10.03
Protokoll-Version: 42.44.P8
ExtROM-Version: 1.30.223 GER
Windows Version is 5.1.195 (Build 14847.2.0.0)

EyeOfTheStorm said:
I also have this Problem. Sometimes, i have to press, the button twice, sometimes i have to hold it. But the problem apears only, on resume.
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Try downloading the latest PocketMusic version (if free for 30 days I think...so you'll be in heaven for 30 days at least), there it works perfect. ...it was enough for me to "cough up" the money to buy it!
And yes it seems to be every second time, and then one has to press button on Universal/Media Player once...bloody irritating...when the Universal is in the bag or something.
EyeOfTheStorm said:
Yes, that's realy evil ... I also have that. Reconnecting of Handsfree works fine.
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Yepp, I have exactly same behaviour (handsfree no prob, while A2DP needs manual reconnect with iTech's...but with the Motorola HT820's I belive it was automatic though)
EyeOfTheStorm said:
This is a general Universal Problem. Maybe Radio Interference, maybe missing some CPU power.
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For me I am pretty sure it is pure radio problem now (have tested with an app called SuperTask, and A2DP takes approx 20% CPU, and my JasJar now used a total of 40-45% CPU when I listen to music over A2DP with PocketMusic). I only have this problem when I have the JasJar in my pant pockets, are in an area I know there is a lot of interference+have some obstructions. Except from that it is fine now.
You can see this post on my "socalled test" (it was just a simple test, but it seems to give a good indication at least) of A2DP's effect on CPU here;
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=53717
You can see my (and some others) experiences with A2DP and some stuff we have tried to fix/handle it as good as possible;
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=53431&sid=87c2c327d12afa647df4d8773a330ee2
EyeOfTheStorm said:
The noisy and unclean sound can be a ROM Version Problem, if you don't have that. I have tryed also with a Linux Computer as A2DP SINK Client, and the sound is same bad.
That's my ROM Version Info:
ROM-Version: 1.30.113 GER
Radio-Version: 1.10.03
Protokoll-Version: 42.44.P8
ExtROM-Version: 1.30.223 GER
Windows Version is 5.1.195 (Build 14847.2.0.0)
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I have no clue...do you have a Universal (I would guess so from that you post it here )...if so the HW is identical...so then...yes it should be the SW/ROM...since you actually have tried with another "headset" (your Linux computer). But I am sorry, that I am not much of contribution...if nothing else...I agree with your logic here!
BTW my ROM version++ is stated in the A2DP-test post I linked to above (don't remember the numbers...but I have the "latest QTEK WWE" ROM).

Thanks for your comments.
Maybe it's the T-Mobile Germany ROM that is the Problem. Have allready called the technical support at T-Mobile, to help.
Maybe they are ignoring me, but i have tryed.

Universal's blue tooth signal terrible
Look I had many imate devices and bluetooth sets. The Universal has a very weak bluetooth signal even with normal bluetooths.
I have tried 3 or 4 different bluetooth headsets and they all give me a max of 3 meters. With the Jam and pda2k with the same headsets I used to get 10meters.
I gues this is the reall problem you are facing, the bluetooth reception is terrible on Universal, try being really close like 40CM away and if the sound is good you will know that it is only a reception issue from the universal.

I noted the 40 ~50 cm distance problem when I reviewed my nokia hs-12w a2dp headset about a month ago, it is very irritating. I think it is to do with where the BT chip is placed !!! it is between the keyboard and the battery, from what I could tell of the exploded diagram on this site !! meaning it is surrounded by metal !!! not good .
PS I never have problems connecting my hs12w headset for audio use, however if I take a phone call, after the call has ended I loose AVRCP

EyeOfTheStorm said:
The sound is a little much deep and on mid to hig frequencies, i hear a high frequencie noise.
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How do you play sounds over bluetooth ?
I'm trying to understand the routes of analog and digital
sound data and how to control them.

cr2 said:
EyeOfTheStorm said:
The sound is a little much deep and on mid to hig frequencies, i hear a high frequencie noise.
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How do you play sounds over bluetooth ?
I'm trying to understand the routes of analog and digital
sound data and how to control them.
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Hi cr2,
yes I read about it in IRC Log. But what you like to do is, streaming sound direct to the bluetooth hardware. Universal hardware supports this feature. There are 2 Bluetooth Profiles implemented for, one is called "Handsfree" and one is calles "Headset" and ini Windows Mobile Registry you will find it if you look for "Audio Gateway". The registry values are also documented in the online MSDN Lib. I will post a link, later, if I find it.
What I am doing is A2DP, that means ... all stereo sound will be compressed in software and then send as datastream to the bluetooth device.
Have attached the A2DP specification. Under Linux there is a project calles "bluetooth-alsa", that supports A2DP and Handsfree. Look for it at sourceforge.net.

EyeOfTheStorm said:
all stereo sound will be compressed in software and then send as datastream to the bluetooth device.
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There are several options here. It can be sent directly
on some phones, or (theoretically) through the phone,
or even redigitized from the analog (for mono).
Under Linux there is a project calles "bluetooth-alsa", that supports A2DP and Handsfree. Look for it at sourceforge.net.
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Software is not a problem. We need to understand
what the hardware is doing.

Microsoft Voice Command 1.6 - ISSUES!

I just got the Microsoft Voice Command 1.6 (refer to as VC from here on) this morning and so far it has been quite disappointing.
I am using it on a Cingular 8525 with a Sony Ericsson HBH-GV435 headset (both are BT 2.0).
Right after the installation I noticed that the talk button on the headset did not trigger the VC so I did a power cycling.
After the power cycling the button will now trigger the VC as if I pushed the VC button on the phone but the problem is that it is not picking up my voice command via the headset but it is still listening from the phone's mic.
Any thoughts on this?

hjkl;' why no delete?

skygear said:
did you try to go under your d\settingd to chsnge the buttons? i think you have to reg edit the files for ear pice mic
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I didn't know that.....I'm going to try and search for it. Can you maybe post a linky for the info on how to do that?
thx!

Version 1.6 at present time DOES NOT WORK properly with the TyTN. You should go back to V1.5 and wait for a patch...

goestoeleven said:
Version 1.6 at present time DOES NOT WORK properly with the TyTN. You should go back to V1.5 and wait for a patch...
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I see. Thanks for the info. Hope the patch will be available soon!

What is the probelm with the ver 1.6 and the TyTn? Is it just the TyTN rom or does it not function with the JasJam or the 8525 either?
Dp you guys know this by experience or is it posted somewhere?
PocketPCThoughts list the 8525 as a "compatible device".

The problem will affect all Hermes devices, and it will probably require a patch / a new dll and/or a registry hack to make things work properly. It should work, but it doesn't, and this goes to show you what a poor job of testing was done before product release.
If the single biggest additional feature/function (ie, bluetooth support) doesn't work properly, why was it shipped?

goestoeleven said:
The problem will affect all Hermes devices, and it will probably require a patch / a new dll and/or a registry hack to make things work properly. It should work, but it doesn't, and this goes to show you what a poor job of testing was done before product release.
If the single biggest additional feature/function (ie, bluetooth support) doesn't work properly, why was it shipped?
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Come on folks... This is MS we are talking about...
If it had been a software package with a little penguin or a devil on it we would be just fine

mrderby said:
Come on folks... This is MS we are talking about...
If it had been a software package with a little penguin or a devil on it we would be just fine
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Or maybe we should start to look at HTC... Their implementation of the whole bluetooth "feature" is crap too... AD2P anybody? well let's hack the crap out of the register, and than try to be happy with songs that hickup every 30 secs or so... neah great!

First: Hermes generally does not work with BT2.0, I guess, especially my MDAvario2 does not...
I'm using a BT Headset HBH608, which was perfectly working with every phone I've ever tried...
Second: VC1.6 could not be installed on Vario2' and Hermes Devices at all, getting an error message...
VC1.5 (engl.) works, not perfect, but it usually works...

MickKnatterton said:
First: Hermes generally does not work with BT2.0, I guess, especially my MDAvario2 does not...
I'm using a BT Headset HBH608, which was perfectly working with every phone I've ever tried...
Second: VC1.6 could not be installed on Vario2' and Hermes Devices at all, getting an error message...
VC1.5 (engl.) works, not perfect, but it usually works...
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What do you mean it cant be installed. I have it installed on a TyTn and it works perfectly. I am not using a BT headset, so cant comment on that.

I've got v1.6 on an 8525 and it seems to working fine.
what exactly are the problems others are having with Hermes devices?

@DigitalFX: Hermes does support Bluetooth 2.0, but not Enhanced Data Rate.
@JCrompton: MSVC 1.6 does not route sounds/commands properly through a Bluetooth headset on the Hermes. You may be able to initiate a call with your headset button, but you'll be using the mic/speaker on the Hermes to complete it. Also, sounds/announcements are not working as advertised. HTC and M$ are working on a patch.

VC 1.6 works fine on my MDA with Motorola BT headset.

Mark (NL) said:
Or maybe we should start to look at HTC... Their implementation of the whole bluetooth "feature" is crap too... AD2P anybody? well let's hack the crap out of the register, and than try to be happy with songs that hickup every 30 secs or so... neah great!
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Seriously, why dind't any OEM use the Widcomm stack instead of the crappy MS one ?!
If only there was a way to hack the Widcomm stack and replace the MS one like they did with the Dell axims..
Adi

goestoeleven said:
@DigitalFX: Hermes does support Bluetooth 2.0, but not Enhanced Data Rate.
@JCrompton: MSVC 1.6 does not route sounds/commands properly through a Bluetooth headset on the Hermes. You may be able to initiate a call with your headset button, but you'll be using the mic/speaker on the Hermes to complete it. Also, sounds/announcements are not working as advertised. HTC and M$ are working on a patch.
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Has anyone tried this... (look for the cab)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=283412&page=5

My 8525 works fine with 1.6 and my SE662 BT headset. Calls can be activated over BT using headset button, and audio routes to my headset throughout my call.

URPREY said:
My 8525 works fine with 1.6 and my SE662 BT headset. Calls can be activated over BT using headset button, and audio routes to my headset throughout my call.
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Wow! Have you done any registry hacks? I'd love to see what your Voice Command keys look like....
TIA,
Richard

I have an 8525 also, and 1.6 works as MS says it does.
The headset button activates voice command, the Beep occurs on the 8525, and the mike on the 8525 listens for input. If I say, Dial ... or Call... then the call works fine on the BT headset like expected.
I know a patch is in the works to fix this issue, and when they do, 1.6 is superior to 1.5 for voice interpretation.
However, for now, I have 1.5 working perfectly fine. All features work, and all I had to do was enter/change 2 registry keys (only 1 was necessary)

xcsdm said:
I have an 8525 also, and 1.6 works as MS says it does.
The headset button activates voice command, the Beep occurs on the 8525, and the mike on the 8525 listens for input. If I say, Dial ... or Call... then the call works fine on the BT headset like expected.
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So how loud do you have to shout for the mike on the 8525 to hear you if the phone is in the next room, or in your purse or you're driving? It might be the way MS intended it to work, but I doubt it.
[RANT]
I can't believe that MS wouldn't have caught this problem during beta testing. Speaks volumes (pun intended) for the current state of software development and testing at MS. Anyone know if MS Reader works with WM5 yet? How about full multi-user support for ActiveSync? Win XP has been around for years now with this funtionality. And while I am on my rant, how about SP3 for Win XP? Currently we would have to download and install over 70 (!) critical patches to SP2 just to get our computers to the dynamic state they are at today. Come on MS, enough is enough. Get your s#!* together!!
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John

How good (or bad) is the Trinity

OK I see that some of you already got the device. My wife wants to replace her Nokia N80 for the white version. Now I previously had an Orange SPV M3100 (HTC Hermes) & had no end of problems with that sold it & now happily using an Asus P525. So how about the the Trinity.
-Is it stable?
-Does A2DP & AVCRP work properly as in having proper stereo output?
-Does the A2DP reconnect automatically to WMP after receiving a call (the -Hermes never did, had to restart everything).
-How's wifi reception (the Hermes was crap). She uses wifi a lot as we have 250mins free BTOpenzone minutes a month.
-I looked at the HTC website but it seems they do not supply firmware upgrade support for their devices. So where can you get them officially?
Fill me in guys. Thanks

Is it stable?
I don't feel it's very stable when coming to the phone part. If I've used the device for a while, I often have to hard-reboot it for the phone part to work again(it just stands "calling", and nothing happends)
-How's wifi reception (the Hermes was crap). She uses wifi a lot as we have 250mins free BTOpenzone minutes a month.
The WiFI reception on my phone is very good. I've actually managed to connect to hot-spots which my laptop didn't manage to connect... *me like*
-I looked at the HTC website but it seems they do not supply firmware upgrade support for their devices. So where can you get them officially?
In Norway you get the official firmware updates/rom from the local distributor.(Dangaard and Brightpoint)

What about other features, like those related to the cameras?
How is visiophony with the front camera?
How is the picture quality of the back camera? Most of the reviews are made with good light conditions. What about the pictures in low light condition?
Movies? Are they correct?
Battery life with that 400 MHz processor compared to Prophet?
Could anyone post pictures/movies made with Trinity?

The wifes P3600 arrived this morning. Been playing with it all for a while & here's my 1st impressions.
Good
Looks nice & shiny
Small size
Excellent loud clear external speaker
Nice & responsive
Phone reception & general operation is fine
3G works well
Bad
Shiny surface = fingerprint magnet
MS bluetooth stack, better than before but still lacking
A2DP implementation. Not real stereo, only mono out from each channel
Also when disconnectd from WMP it doesn't auto reconnect.
In summary if you used previous HTC devices before then you'll be familiar with this one. When used as a pda & phone it does most things as expected, the menus & general operation are same as before.
But its going back, one of the main reasons being the crap A2DP. Wifey uses music player a lot on her 1 hour daily commute & the fact that sound quality is rubbish (low volume & no stereo) & no option to connect a wired headphones as theres no headphone jack. The same problem as the Hermes in that once disconnected from WMP it doesn't auto reconnect. Have to go into Bluetooth manger to re establish the connection.
Also comparing it to my Asus P525 other than the smaller size, 3G, louder external speaker & looks a bit nicer, in all other depts the Asus is as good & some areas much much better.

Well, my opinion is that the camera sucks... Was on a party this weekend _with_ good lighting, all the picutures came out blurry *argh* (could be it was too much light tough?...)
The videotelephony-part on the other hands is quite good(for videotelephone, NOT for taking still-pictures).
And I also don't like the 2-7 sec. delay when you try to call someone... *argh*

neofix said:
Well, my opinion is that the camera sucks... Was on a party this weekend _with_ good lighting, all the picutures came out blurry *argh* (could be it was too much light tough?...)
The videotelephony-part on the other hands is quite good(for videotelephone, NOT for taking still-pictures).
And I also don't like the 2-7 sec. delay when you try to call someone... *argh*
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2 to 7 second delay? It sounds like a ROM upgrade will probably be coming to fix these issues...same story different cover.

zen123 said:
A2DP implementation. Not real stereo, only mono out from each channel
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This sounds new to me. I am using a SonyEricsson stereo BT thingy with my Qtek S200 (with A2DP hack) and as far as I can hear the output is stereo not mono from each channel.

I love mine compared to my Exec! Quicker and sleeker.
And got my 4GB miniSD this morning and it works fine

anonimo said:
This sounds new to me. I am using a SonyEricsson stereo BT thingy with my Qtek S200 (with A2DP hack) and as far as I can hear the output is stereo not mono from each channel.
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Yes, proper stereo could be possible with a registry hack but how many end users are to know that? Only the hardcore users frequent forums such as this & get to learn a lot about their devices. Assuming it can be done then why didn't HTC enable it in the first place? Mention a registry hack to the vast majority of users out there & I'm pretty sure you'll be met with a lot of blank expressions & ??????
With the aesthetic design of the trinity I think HTC are trying to market it to more mainstream audience, thats why my wife likes the look of it, but in all honesty how many of these new users will know how to exploit the device to the full. My wife never visits these forums & even her 8 month old Nokia N80 is still out of the box stock.

zen123 said:
Yes, proper stereo could be possible with a registry hack but how many end users are to know that?
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I thought the registry hack was only to enable A2DP on those devices where the manufacturer had disabled it and the end result of a hacked S200 would be the same of a standard TyTn or a standard P3600... Are you sure the P3600 output is not stereo?

anonimo said:
I thought the registry hack was only to enable A2DP on those devices where the manufacturer had disabled it and the end result of a hacked S200 would be the same of a standard TyTn or a standard P3600... Are you sure the P3600 output is not stereo?
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Pretty sure its not stereo, either that or the stereo separation is really poor because it sounded like mon to me. In saying that though when I paired my iTech R35 stereo bluetooth clip with it there was the option to tick headset mode & stereo mode but its too late now I've sent it back today.

The only dislike on my new P3600 is the position of penon the bottom! . I've used many pda, and the pen was on top! But for the rest I love it!!!!

zen123 said:
Pretty sure its not stereo, either that or the stereo separation is really poor because it sounded like mon to me. In saying that though when I paired my iTech R35 stereo bluetooth clip with it there was the option to tick headset mode & stereo mode but its too late now I've sent it back today.
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You are right the stereo bluetooth output is not stereo. This is ridiculous. I hope this can be fixed with some registry hacking otherwise HTC has really screwed this device big time.

One more thing, the smooth black coating is comming of from the bottom where the stylus is placed.... That's s REAL bad thing, since this will eventually tear up more and more of the coating... And I've only had it for two weeks

default A2DP registry settings for Trinity is:
UseJointStereo = 1
please change to:
UseJointStereo = 0
that will fix the "mono sound" issue.

Question
So far what i read, the software for this phone 3600 is not fully stable,
Camera still delay..
Some bugs
additional question following,
Delay of standard programs opening?
How about the sounds quality (loudness and clearness) is it very good?
which one is really better if compare 3600 and 3300(GPS enabled), which should i buy... -_-"
Thank you in advance..

fantastic device
Got my Trinity since yesterday. I had several phones and pda before (Dell Axim x51v was the last one) but the Trinity is the best until now. small enough, fast enough... if I only could get MMS to work for vodafone germany...

saminegm said:
Got my Trinity since yesterday. I had several phones and pda before (Dell Axim x51v was the last one) but the Trinity is the best until now. small enough, fast enough... if I only could get MMS to work for vodafone germany...
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Did you try these (manual entry and cab for Vodafone):
https://shop.dangaard.de/files/Qtek/Qtek.htm
Tytn and Trinity 3G/UMTS should be the same

So far...the trinity is my new favorite thing..very stable (have had to soft reset twice to get the Wifi signal running after a sync while wifi was on) and lots of fun. Phone is great and signal with one bar or less is still usable - where my old motorola was no good with a weak signal...and i can now make and take calls from my office - where previously there was no chance with the motorola. This device does everything I bought it for -combine my PDA and phone into one device...

where to buy
DaveUK said:
I love mine compared to my Exec! Quicker and sleeker.
And got my 4GB miniSD this morning and it works fine
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Can you please said where did you buy the miniSD? Thanks

What A2DP dramas?

Guess I must be missing something, but I can't see what all the A2DP dramas are about.
I have a new Jasjam and BlueAnt X5 stereo bluetooth headset and I got the skiping problem the first time I tried it. I soon discovered switching off WiFi completely fixed this and then I read about the reg hack to get stereo working.
Now my setup works perfectly.
Is there something wrong with me?

No, join the club. Worked right out of the box for me too.

esseff said:
. . . switching off WiFi completely . . .
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"Completely"? How? Just keep it off in Connection Manager? Or something else/more? I've never used WiFi on my JASJAM and I still have skipping, even with the WIDCOMM stack.

Its all headset based. I'll add the ?BlueAnt X5 to the rather short list that works out of the box. The other ones I know of are the Nokia HS012W and the I-tech clips.

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. . .
I'll add the ?BlueAnt X5 to the rather short list that works out of the box.
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Shame. Looks like I need to find a replacement for my SE HBH-DS970.
Where can I find your list? Is it "Internal Use Only. For Sleuth255's eyes only." ?

abubasim said:
"Completely"? How? Just keep it off in Connection Manager? Or something else/more? I've never used WiFi on my JASJAM and I still have skipping, even with the WIDCOMM stack.
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Ahh, no there was meant to be a comma in there... switching off WiFi, (comma) completely fixed it.
Yes just in Comm Manager.

Thanks esseff. What excitement a single comma can cause . . .
I guess I'll wait for AKU3.3 before deciding for a replacement for the DS970.

I can also confirm that the Nokia HS-12W works right out of the box.

Sleuth255 said:
Its all headset based. I'll add the ?BlueAnt X5 to the rather short list that works out of the box. The other ones I know of are the Nokia HS012W and the I-tech clips.
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I don't have any problems with my I-Tech R35, but there are reports from other people who do. I always try to keep the number of simultaneous tasks down to a minimum, and close apps as I go along. Being tidy, and not loading the device, I intuitively believe helps reduce problems.
I don't think it's quite as simple as just being a headset problem, although it's certainly a contributory factor (another is definitely the distance - inversely proportional to distance squared - the headset unit is from the phone unit when using a2dp over bluetooth).

Big trouble with BT handset on Orbit 2. Need Help.

Well....
I happiness owner of XDA Orbit 2 (same as HTC Polaris at other form factor).
All work very fine, but one thing just kill me.
Orbit not work propertly with BT handset (Jabra JX10). I tried all posible ROMs: Bepe, BlackWidow, Rus 6.1, original HTC Polaris (WM6.0), original Germany ROM from O2. With all ROM behavior of BT handset was the same:
1. HardReset
2. Search BT device and connect it
3. Tried make call to anybody (I call to my second phone, but it doest matter)
4. First 1-2 calls all good. Sound good, mic work.
5. Tried incoming call.
6. At handset normal alarm tone, press button and..... first 2-3 sec normal sound good - then just noise (as white noise) and mic blocked.
7. All other calls like char.6. Noise after 2-3 sec.
I tried to changed all posible value. BitPool, BitRate, WaveDev and all other.... Tried stoped many service who can block BT (OBEX, ActiveSync via BT). Nothing change.
I think about hardware malfunction, but when I tried connect other BT device like external GPS reciever or HP notebook - I get normal work via BlueTooth. So, it mean hardware of bluetoth works good and with BT not work only handset.
Please, help me.

I got the same problem, but slightly different: the first 2-3 phonecalls are perfect, then there will be no sound. I tried with my 2 blue tooth headser.
with my headset, it happens 2-3 tims also.
But I met once the phone is not working when I trying normal phonecall without BT ot any headset.
I tried different ROM, it remains the same.

Similar problems with HF Jabra SP5050
Hands-free functioning with my previous cheep Nokia was excellent. Now the same Jabra SP5050 with Polaris: TRAGEDY !!!

qinyugang said:
I got the same problem, but slightly different: the first 2-3 phonecalls are perfect, then there will be no sound. I tried with my 2 blue tooth headser.
with my headset, it happens 2-3 tims also.
But I met once the phone is not working when I trying normal phonecall without BT ot any headset.
I tried different ROM, it remains the same.
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That is.
I tried all BT headset which I have, it Jabra JX10 and Jabra BT10. The same....

Janhura said:
Hands-free functioning with my previous cheep Nokia was excellent. Now the same Jabra SP5050 with Polaris: TRAGEDY !!!
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You mean Nokia BT handset worked with Polaris very well?
What model name its handset? I try to test with my smartphone.
updt. It seems I understood what you mean. So, it my situation. Both Jabra BT headset works good with all my Nokia phones and not work with Orbit 2 (Polaris).

Henry_Lee & others:
Try turn off and on again (5 sec later) Bluetooth on Your Polaris when headset is on. Is it working?
Do it every time you start using headset. Need patch from HTC.

dj_nsk said:
Henry_Lee & others:
Try turn off and on again (5 sec later) Bluetooth on Your Polaris when headset is on. Is it working?
Do it every time you start using headset. Need patch from HTC.
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Yep, its work. Thanks for that. But it black magic and not good solution.
updt. It work until to first sleep (power button) longer than 5-10 min.
Then again needed reboot BT on device. F...k.

So you said you tried all kinds of ROMs. There are some ROMs out there which include the test version of the Radio ROM. I'm a strong believer of the thought, that the Bluetooth part of the test Radio is flawed and leads to results like the one you suffer.
If I were you, I'd check my Radio ROM version and if it doesnt match the shipping one (which tops out at 1.58.21.23) I'd search for that version and flash it. After the flash, a Hardreset might not be the wrong thing to do.

schaggo said:
So you said you tried all kinds of ROMs. There are some ROMs out there which include the test version of the Radio ROM. I'm a strong believer of the thought, that the Bluetooth part of the test Radio is flawed and leads to results like the one you suffer.
If I were you, I'd check my Radio ROM version and if it doesnt match the shipping one (which tops out at 1.58.21.23) I'd search for that version and flash it. After the flash, a Hardreset might not be the wrong thing to do.
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I wrote later that I tried flash original ROM for O2 Orbit 2. It ROM contain radio 21.23. And nothing changes.
But, I not wish change radio ROM. Last radio ROM very well and good quality of GSM and fast GPS more important for me. The more so because, BT still not work.

up.....

At me and many my friends (with Cruis) a similar problem. The first, second call - all is good. Then - break of BT communication. Works with SE is better, the Jabra is worse

andykha said:
At me and many my friends (with Cruis) a similar problem. The first, second call - all is good. Then - break of BT communication. Works with SE is better, the Jabra is worse
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Yep, tha same ****.
Today I tried Motorola H680, it good work with O2....
I think, Orbit2 or Polaris not work with BT headset with bluetooth version 1.1-1.2. Only BT v.2 and it headset just last 1-2 year ago.

Is the problem solved ?
Hi everyone !
I've got the same problem with my Jabra BT Headset. But i've found a way to make it work : in fact you have to get your headset already powered-on when you launch BT on your Cruise. Then, you can have regular calls.
Sometimes, it seems to disconnect by itself, don't know why. You have to power off everything, reconnect BT Headset, then re-launch BT service on Cruise.
Have a try and keep in touch !

It seems to me, a problem not only in version BT 1.2 or 2.0. I speak so since has bought SE 712 w/BT 2.0 and has dug into the same problems.

Have you got some news about BT & Cruise ?

Plantronics 590E with Orbit 2 works flawlessly... Distance, sound quality and voice command function is perfect without any issues..
...and A2DP, AVRCP function is same also... with mp3 or movie files... (..need registry tweaks.. i'm find these tweaks in this forum..)
Sorry for my poor English... :|